Minigame v11: Bungou Stray Dogs | Game Over Mafia Wins!

grrr said:
@pentaflare can you pseudo code the formula for these numbers so i can understand what they mean?

PentaFlare said:

To be blunt, I want to remove you from my PoE pool. You have not been acting in a townlike way, so the best way I can determine your alignment is having you die for town this night.

Jackrito said:


You know he is not doing that right, even though I do agree.

PentaFlare said:

Done the simple version that only checks vote spread. I might go through the effort of making a spreadsheet for this later so that I can always run the more complex version without needing to do half a page of math for each player.
Qoco: 116pts
DenjaX: 111pts
Kit: 91pts
grrr: 88pts
aa-dono: 87pts
Coelestin: 87pts
Jackrito: 87pts
Shinichi: 76pts
logic: 73pts
grapefruit: 68pts

DenjaX said:
just to confirm the higher the points the scummier they are right?

grrr said:
@pentaflare can you pseudo code the formula for these numbers so i can understand what they mean?

for each train in vote count
   int temp = numtotalvoters / numlivingplayers * 3;
   int numsuspects = numtotalvoters - numcomfirmedtownies;
   for each suspect on train
      score[currentsuspect] += temp / numsuspects;

Shinichi-Kun said:


am i missing something here? Cause unless you've claimed then i dont think u have any right to tell me how to use my ability

Kit said:
will you do a version that includes yourself?

DenjaX said:
he is obviously calculating our IQ

PentaFlare said:

Nope. It's too much work for something that I won't even consider for my own analysis. Use the pseudo code if you want this version run with me in it.

Kit said:

Karotes claim makes it seem like he doesn't know his own role ie messing up a fake claim but I think fake claim would be more set in ones mind? Could be he forgot the exact wording of his role and that happens to me often so I'm not sure , would like to see more behavior from him to judge so so far I don't think one way or another on his claim.

logic340 said:
He scum reads those who scumread him (OMGUS'ed me). Just not seeing anything that could be considered remotely town and hen I ask no one has a post they can point to in support of it.

Kit said:
Well I see ppl are going to want me in angry and defensive mode!

@jackrito @logic340 consider the following: Ruu never had Miller before and didn't know how to properly handle the role. I hate when players are on a newbies ass for not completely knowing all game meta ever and exactly how to play (in any game not just mafia) so it annoys me that people have ruus town play expectations so high. Miller not claiming does not mean they aren't Miller, it just means they aren't playing standard Miller strat.The soft claim is extremely obvious to me, having been in that game myself, I'm not sure what to say if you thing ruu set that up in preparation for a fake claim. Town breadcrumb their roles too, if anything it's nai but shows she didn't make it up during the night, she claimed it during the day.

Logic why do you want me to say Ruu made a mistake? That's just another excuse, and a really shitty one because scum make mistakes too. I am not in ruus head so I can only point to evidence that she really is town

If you want to prove my claim then invest me and see that I invest as mafia ;) is true.

Shinichi-Kun said:


Hue ur funny that just be a waste of invest lol

Also Ruu knew what were abilty/passive was anyone with a town mindset would be like oh shit my ability hurrts town i should tell the rest of the players. We are assuming the norm because of experience we are assuming people should be able to tell when their abilities are anti town lol.

Shinichi-Kun said:


What makes it an omgus? Because u suspect him? I might be biased here cause i also suspect you alot more recently.

I feel like people mistake scum hunting for being town aligned, cause when i read people i consider their opinions and almost everything they say as a defining factor for their alignment. Sure their actions say otherwise but i feel like nothing QC has said has been that scummy, not for you as an example i can go pull out a bunch of lines that makes u scummy. Only problem is ur all action while he is all words who is more scummy?

Shinichi-Kun said:


What makes it an omgus? Because u suspect him? I might be biased here cause i also suspect you alot more recently.

Kit said:
that doesn't make any sense, instinctively people would rather hide anti town roles. It's counter intuitive to claim Miller even if it is optimal. I can't criticize ruu cause I might have done the same, and two others (Penta and Jack,) said they would not claim either

PentaFlare said:

Okay, but if you aren't willing to prove yourself as town, I hope you start appearing like one next phase. You aren't immune to a rope.

logic340 said:
If that is truly the case then make one and push it. Even more so for him though, as he's done next to nothing and you defend him right after voting him over Karote? I've seen many posts as I re-read where people are calling him out for doing nothing (Jack all aa Grapefruit put it) so it's not like I am the only one seeing it. His votes have been horrible and if you can't admit that then idk what to tell you Shinichi.

Shinichi-Kun said:


They can do them if u claim anwywhere outside of the first day phae ur are 99% scum end of story, only reason i havent pursued you is cause i think u might be tpr.

logic340 said:
I guess it's all a matter of perspective. I feel like he isn't giving much of an opinion to consider unless someone is dragging it out of him. I feel like people need to work at earning trust and some just refuse to do so.

Kit said:
sorry, but then you don't know the human mind very well. You are being unnecessarily black and white on this topic

Shinichi-Kun said:


If this was a paranoid gun owner i would understand tho it may be harmful to town if not revealed it has a chance to do good. A miller has literally no way to prove itself and no amtter how many times we investigate said person they show up as scum. Your telling me we should trust that over a bus driverr or any of the other roles that have been claimed?

Shinichi-Kun said:

Pretty sure this is exactly what happened

Shinichi-Kun said:


Trust? Uhm this is mafia no one trusts anyone, thats the reason we force claims out and after that still scum read people.

Kit said:
try thinking from ruus perspective for once instead of simply saying I must be scum because she didn't play how YOU think Miller should be played by EVERY SINGLE TOWN MILLER that EVER existed. People are not carbon copies of each other.

Kit said:
you accept that karote made a mistake in regard to his role but won't accept Ruu could have?

You have NO right to point out "this is probably what happened" in the aftermath of the lynch when you are doing the same thing to me that caused karotes lynch

DenjaX said:
it is the other way around. He thought he was hider but he corrected himself which I find the most townie thing to do. And he admitted his mistake.

What I am most concerned is those people capitalizing his mistake.

Shinichi-Kun said:


sorry but no can do last time i trusted a miller claim said person was scum

Shinichi-Kun said:


Not reallyur comparing 2 different roles in a similar situation also i had no involvement in karote dieing. Also the reason im not pursueing you is cause of that 1% doubt.

Shinichi-Kun said:


So people like jack and logic?

Kit said:
so you're bitter because you believed a claim without analyzing behavior in the past. One single time. Got it.

logic340 said:
There is no winning for me is there? I want to go Rinto mode you guys wont let me (but Karote can and gets town read for it). I come out of Rinto mode give you what you want (Townie lyncher logic) and I'm capitalizing on people's mistakes?

Kit said:
so you've admitted that the situations are similar and that you have a bias/grudge against Miller claims. and you probably don't know how to use percentage to describe real probability so you're pulling 99/100 scum chances out of your ass. Ok.

Shinichi-Kun said:


Same implies to tpr i hate the role and distrust all tpr roles, miller claim literally could be a traitor role with some kind of activation like the judas role for all we know smh >3>. Also the exact percents dont matter because im saying ur not getting my vote yet anyways.

Shinichi-Kun said:
U 2 can throw salt all over me it wont change much

@logic340 what are your throughs on the fact that jack and penta are both ok throwing away another town role without claiming their own role. I find that super odd

@denjax @kit same question for you 2

Kit said:
@logic340 the only way to achieve a more passive style is to legitimately not care so much about the game. I don't really think that's like you though ^^

Shinichi-Kun said:


Claim then talk :D, not gonna be told how to play my town game by people hiding behind their roles.

Shinichi-Kun said:


What makes it an omgus? Because u suspect him? I might be biased here cause i also suspect you alot more recently.

I feel like people mistake scum hunting for being town aligned, cause when i read people i consider their opinions and almost everything they say as a defining factor for their alignment. Sure their actions say otherwise but i feel like nothing QC has said has been that scummy, not for you as an example i can go pull out a bunch of lines that makes u scummy. Only problem is ur all action while he is all words who is more scummy?