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Jan 21, 2019 8:22 AM

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Also, we have only an hour to CFD so if I need to claim now, I will do.
It's a bit of a shame that this has happened though since I'm going to be undoubtedly nightkilled.
As I thought @Osieorb18 would've realised.
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Jan 21, 2019 8:22 AM

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RE said:
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i think that's the first time you said it but ok,
I mean, it's the first time I elaborated with an example. Maybe it's due to successful PR hunting in other games simply based on breadcrumbs, but I don't think they're ever entirely solid.
"mafia can figure out whose checks are real or not based on targets selected" disagree, mafia does not have the ability to do that, that's the same thing as you saying you're confident in NK analisys, the reasons you chose someone are yours and yours alone.
No, what I said is true. Cover is never perfect, especially not cover given over the course of 2 days or more.
"Also, if mafia know who everyone will target, then they can plan accordingly." they can, but they don't know who PR are, so it's useless.
And I'm telling you, any information regarding night targets is information regarding PRs. You can bet mafia are combing the thread (unless the team literally consists of lurkers) PR hunting.
"This makes it so mafia are guaranteed a safe kill because they know who *won't* be targeted (this is the same case with doctor)." it's a "save" kill, i'll give you that, but our objective is post flip information and mech clears, they knwo who they can shoot and not, that does not mean their nk power will be maximised, you're only thinking about the negative, a negative that does not outweight the positive, the set up is not confirmed, this plan covers msot of the set-ups and maximise town power, mafia knowing who the night targets are don't do anything unless they know what otehr roles are in play, and that only happens if they expect a doc/jk, but for that mafia has to know roleb exist.
Then we'll see! That's part of the reason I'm going along with the plan, not just because it requires everyone to be in on it. Maybe I'm missing something here and my skepticism is unwarranted.
what i see from you, is fear of 1 possibility that could not even be true, as far as town knows, i think you understand what i could say next don't you?
If you're implying I'm mafia, then I'd say that accusation doesn't even apply in this context.

1.--- that's what iw as trying to say, sorry if i was confusing

2.-- it is not perfect, that's true, but imagine we have cop, he is nk d2, you could have 1 player mechanicly cleared as town, that out weights the rest, imagine we are all VT, can we win? if we can, treat PR as an help to win, not as town Core to win

3-i agree, and that's why i think kii is one of them

4-it appears i misunderstood you, noted

5-i'm just blind by kii as i said +/- in my last post, but i was, but you can forget it. (once kii flips, hopefully, you'll understand)
Jan 21, 2019 8:26 AM

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It's a shame that I'm the most voted so far since it seems I'm going to have to claim.
Congrats Dias and Pokeit at getting out of this somehow, I'm impressed.
I thought you should've caught on @osieorb18 but obviously not. It's not like I tried to hint it to you *this entire game*
At least I'll eat up a nightkill for someone here
@AlbertinoDias you should try and read this post and the ones I hinted to Osie. If you are truly town, you should realise what they mean and we should CFD onto Pokeit
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Jan 21, 2019 8:27 AM

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AlbertinoDias said:
2.-- it is not perfect, that's true, but imagine we have cop, he is nk d2, you could have 1 player mechanicly cleared as town, that out weights the rest, imagine we are all VT, can we win? if we can, treat PR as an help to win, not as town Core to win
I do agree with this.
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Jan 21, 2019 8:28 AM

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AlbertinoDias, your #223 providing your reasons why you don't like Kiiruma. You talk about him saying that mafia have more certainty on which roles are in play (which is true). It's a useful observation, and I'm having a hard time understanding why this means that he has insider knowledge.
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Kiiruma said:
It's a shame that I'm the most voted so far since it seems I'm going to have to claim.
Congrats Dias and Pokeit at getting out of this somehow, I'm impressed.
I thought you should've caught on @osieorb18 but obviously not. It's not like I tried to hint it to you *this entire game*
At least I'll eat up a nightkill for someone here
@AlbertinoDias you should try and read this post and the ones I hinted to Osie. If you are truly town, you should realise what they mean and we should CFD onto Pokeit
I need to pull up an updated vote count, but I don't recall you hinting anything throughout the game (and why at osie in particular?).
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Jan 21, 2019 8:29 AM

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RE, how are you reading me? Right now we have 3 votes on me and 2 on Dias/Pokeit (Which is ultra convenient when the two I both suspect are voting together)
We don't have a lot of time and we need to work out the next course of action.
I'm stressing out that yet again people have misread me here :|
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Jan 21, 2019 8:30 AM

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Kiiruma said:
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Also, Kiiruma can go down a notch. He isn't keeping up with his early motivation.

Target: ironace

I had something called sleeping. I've not given up my push or else I would've unvoted.

Also, I think I saw someone ask what I meant by deathtunneling. It's where you constantly vote the same person -often without reason or failing to take into account contrary evidence- until either you or they die. Pokeit has done that all day and still hasn't really tried to push anyone other than me.. Does this not ping anyone in a bad light?

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the scum read can be put in:
1-pokeit shading (not true)
2-pokeit's quick death tunnel in sucession (not true)
3-pokeit's Defenciness (not true)
that's what he said at least.

1) Not shading? Seriously? Pokeit threw shade hard and fast at me without even knowing anything in the first place, then when I accused them, they continued to push even more without considering anyone else, which doesn't show their motivation which is 'to motivate others'.
2) Not a quick death tunnel? You really don't see that. Post by post of theirs just tunnel visioning and pushing onto me without a reason.
3) You really don't see Pokeit as being super defensive? Wut????

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You had replied to one of my questions while I was reading through the thread for the first time, so I picked you to start conversation and get reads from.

Do you dislike my strategy of starting the game by voting for you to pressure and get reads from you? Do you dislike my actions or do you dislike that they were directed towards you? Do you think you would have suspected me if I pressured a different player in a similar manner?

This in itself is super defensive, they're questioning every small detail that I'm saying and trying to throw shade (again) suggesting that I'm only voting them because I don't like what they're doing and not the fact that there's clearly no-town motivation behind many of their posts
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Also, Kiiruma can go down a notch. He isn't keeping up with his early motivation.

Target: ironace

I had something called sleeping. I've not given up my push or else I would've unvoted.

Also, I think I saw someone ask what I meant by deathtunneling. It's where you constantly vote the same person -often without reason or failing to take into account contrary evidence- until either you or they die. Pokeit has done that all day and still hasn't really tried to push anyone other than me.. Does this not ping anyone in a bad light?

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the scum read can be put in:
1-pokeit shading (not true)
2-pokeit's quick death tunnel in sucession (not true)
3-pokeit's Defenciness (not true)
that's what he said at least.

1) Not shading? Seriously? Pokeit threw shade hard and fast at me without even knowing anything in the first place, then when I accused them, they continued to push even more without considering anyone else, which doesn't show their motivation which is 'to motivate others'.
2) Not a quick death tunnel? You really don't see that. Post by post of theirs just tunnel visioning and pushing onto me without a reason.
3) You really don't see Pokeit as being super defensive? Wut????

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You had replied to one of my questions while I was reading through the thread for the first time, so I picked you to start conversation and get reads from.

Do you dislike my strategy of starting the game by voting for you to pressure and get reads from you? Do you dislike my actions or do you dislike that they were directed towards you? Do you think you would have suspected me if I pressured a different player in a similar manner?

This in itself is super defensive, they're questioning every small detail that I'm saying and trying to throw shade (again) suggesting that I'm only voting them because I don't like what they're doing and not the fact that there's clearly no-town motivation behind many of their posts

1-show me where is the shade.
2- i don't take tunnel as the same as focus, someone can be talking to evryone and still be tuneling, pokeit time and time again said they didn't unvote cuz theyw anted to keep pressuring you, if it's bad that he's putting much attention in you? it is, does that eman he's deathtunneling? no
3-no i don't, i see someone who's answering questions and asking them normally,
that is not at all super defensive, he noticed you didn't like he's vote, he asked why, he asked if it was the action itself or because you feel threatned (wich i believ is the later btw) this is not defensive, and in no world shade, he's openly asking you questions, he didn't even question one detail there, he literally question, what i recall, the basis of your "disgust" of his vote, valid question, 0 shade, 0 defense, i would even say he's atacking you, lol
Did you like what he was doing? you could have answered him, you didn't and proceeded to pain him as scum for questions he didn't even get answers, that is shade, again, call it bias maybe, but i agree because i do get the feeling you're acting like this cuz he's atacking you.
Jan 21, 2019 8:30 AM

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RE said:
I need to pull up an updated vote count, but I don't recall you hinting anything throughout the game (and why at osie in particular?).

Osie is the person who I trust more than anyone else but I really cannot explain why without outing at least myself or Osie. Their posts strongly hint to me what they are and so I thought to hint back to the person I trusted
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Jan 21, 2019 8:31 AM

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Unvote
Gonna read through the thread and decide who to settle my vote on.
Jan 21, 2019 8:32 AM

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Kiiruma said:
Also, we have only an hour to CFD so if I need to claim now, I will do.
It's a bit of a shame that this has happened though since I'm going to be undoubtedly nightkilled.
As I thought @Osieorb18 would've realised.

welp, i have 3 votes
Jan 21, 2019 8:33 AM

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AlbertinoDias, your #223 providing your reasons why you don't like Kiiruma. You talk about him saying that mafia have more certainty on which roles are in play (which is true). It's a useful observation, and I'm having a hard time understanding why this means that he has insider knowledge.

because he keeps using that as a way to provide content, once is enough, but he does it 2-3 times, and he also uses that to "catch" my slip, wich was literally em saying i didn't have info on doc so i asked togs, and he proceeded to further use that as a way to scum read me instead of asking me things, it's not the "he talked about this so he's scum", as i said in the post, that in itself is nay, but the context he says and uses that for is scummy
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Pokeit said:
Unvote
Gonna read through the thread and decide who to settle my vote on.

2-2-2 on you/me/Dias now :|
My stress levels are slowly rising through the roof and I really really need to avoid claiming so if you're actually going to change your vote here and we end up CFDing, it shows at least some town motivation -in which I'll need to consider that when deciding whether to further pursue my read on you or not-
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Jan 21, 2019 8:34 AM

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Kiiruma said:
Pokeit said:
Unvote
Gonna read through the thread and decide who to settle my vote on.

2-2-2 on you/me/Dias now :|
My stress levels are slowly rising through the roof and I really really need to avoid claiming so if you're actually going to change your vote here and we end up CFDing, it shows at least some town motivation -in which I'll need to consider that when deciding whether to further pursue my read on you or not-

i ahve 3 votes, count again...
Jan 21, 2019 8:35 AM

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RE, how are you reading me? Right now we have 3 votes on me and 2 on Dias/Pokeit (Which is ultra convenient when the two I both suspect are voting together)
We don't have a lot of time and we need to work out the next course of action.
I'm stressing out that yet again people have misread me here :|
I thought you may have slipped into lurky territory again, which was a bad look given your initial strong motivation, but it's still within your town meta, I guess.
Thing is, I can't imagine what you're doing is helpful - since if I'm understanding correctly - you're outting yourself and potentially Osie?
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welp, i have 3 votes

Oh yeah, I forgot grrr voted you but for some reason shown up separate to you.
So it's 2-2-3. Also, I did respond to Pokeit's questions, all of them.
I also explained about my confidence and tonal changes this game since I've had great experiences with town recently.
I'm trying my best to prove myself and if I get voted here it's just going to take away all my hope.
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Who is actually here for this EoD?
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Jan 21, 2019 8:37 AM

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RE said:
I thought you may have slipped into lurky territory again, which was a bad look given your initial strong motivation, but it's still within your town meta, I guess.
Thing is, I can't imagine what you're doing is helpful - since if I'm understanding correctly - you're outting yourself and potentially Osie?

I had to do so to try and explain to Osie what not to do tonight and/or what to do (Assuming I read them as a PR). I know it's not great but it's better than the mafia just getting lucky, town needs to hint but try to do it safely :| I didn't know how to do it since here nobody seems to believe (in) me when I'm town
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97 is the post you say you answer, i missed this, and i apologise for it.
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Kiiruma said:
RE said:
I thought you may have slipped into lurky territory again, which was a bad look given your initial strong motivation, but it's still within your town meta, I guess.
Thing is, I can't imagine what you're doing is helpful - since if I'm understanding correctly - you're outting yourself and potentially Osie?

I had to do so to try and explain to Osie what not to do tonight and/or what to do (Assuming I read them as a PR). I know it's not great but it's better than the mafia just getting lucky, town needs to hint but try to do it safely :| I didn't know how to do it since here nobody seems to believe (in) me when I'm town
My thing is, if you're town, you absolutely should not be voicing who you think is a PR (or even hinting it?)
This is starting to look like damage control?
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Kiiruma said:
RE said:
I thought you may have slipped into lurky territory again, which was a bad look given your initial strong motivation, but it's still within your town meta, I guess.
Thing is, I can't imagine what you're doing is helpful - since if I'm understanding correctly - you're outting yourself and potentially Osie?

I had to do so to try and explain to Osie what not to do tonight and/or what to do (Assuming I read them as a PR). I know it's not great but it's better than the mafia just getting lucky, town needs to hint but try to do it safely :| I didn't know how to do it since here nobody seems to believe (in) me when I'm town

when you pull things of thin air and try to justify them, it's normal, i can also argue that ppl aren't understanding me, so what? i'm still pushing you and i will really let my vote in you unless you claim, why? cuz this is like the 3rd post you hinted you are pr but don't want to claim and that osie is pr as well (if you didn't, tell me what this means then: "Osie is the person who I trust more than anyone else but I really cannot explain why without outing at least myself or Osie") a dog that barks doesn't bite, that's a common saying here, you've threatened a claim, that's already claiming, this comes as scummy for me
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RE said:
Kiiruma said:

I had to do so to try and explain to Osie what not to do tonight and/or what to do (Assuming I read them as a PR). I know it's not great but it's better than the mafia just getting lucky, town needs to hint but try to do it safely :| I didn't know how to do it since here nobody seems to believe (in) me when I'm town
My thing is, if you're town, you absolutely should not be voicing who you think is a PR (or even hinting it?)
This is starting to look like damage control?

he'll flip eitehr goon or RB, don't worry
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RE said:
My thing is, if you're town, you absolutely should not be voicing who you think is a PR (or even hinting it?)
This is starting to look like damage control?

he'll flip eitehr goon or RB, don't worry
Um, I don't actually want to lynch him without a full claim, at the very least?
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*Sigh* I honestly just don't know what to do here tbh. I don't think I've ever not been mislynched in a game here (Except from when I was actually scum) so I was trying to switch up a new style using my newfound confidence in Pokebeach. However as usual, it seems I must be brought crashing back down into the ground.. What a harrowing reality
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Kiiruma you never shared your thoughts on my #111. It explains my reasons for voting for you in the first place, and why I kept it on you.
I also asked you why you said I was overly defensive, which you did respond to in #250. Althought I disagree with it:
Kiiruma said:
1) Not shading? Seriously? Pokeit threw shade hard and fast at me without even knowing anything in the first place, then when I accused them, they continued to push even more without considering anyone else, which doesn't show their motivation which is 'to motivate others'.
2) Not a quick death tunnel? You really don't see that. Post by post of theirs just tunnel visioning and pushing onto me without a reason.
3) You really don't see Pokeit as being super defensive? Wut????

1) Voting and questioning you isn't shading.
2) Post of post by me was voting for you and pressuring you. Your answers lead to more curiosity from me, and I wanted to keep questioning you. If I didn't understand your motivation and disagreed with your answers, of course I would want to question them more to understand you.
3) I don't believe I was being defensive, but if that's your understanding of my actions, then I'll respect that.
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If I claim, I'm dead. If I don't claim, I'm dead. WHAT DO YOU EXPECT FROM ME?
How much harder can I hint at my role without full claiming?!
I'm getting really annoyed here and it's just not worth my time.
At least after yet another mislynch maybe y'all can consider things differently, but probably won't happen anyway since it seems my fate here is to never survive a game
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Kiiruma said:
*Sigh* I honestly just don't know what to do here tbh. I don't think I've ever not been mislynched in a game here (Except from when I was actually scum) so I was trying to switch up a new style using my newfound confidence in Pokebeach. However as usual, it seems I must be brought crashing back down into the ground.. What a harrowing reality

AtE, bad play here... (that's not a misslynch if you where mafia xD), it's cool you brought the motivation, it's not cool you used that to push a read onto someone
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Kiiruma said:
*Sigh* I honestly just don't know what to do here tbh. I don't think I've ever not been mislynched in a game here (Except from when I was actually scum) so I was trying to switch up a new style using my newfound confidence in Pokebeach. However as usual, it seems I must be brought crashing back down into the ground.. What a harrowing reality
Could be remembering wrong, but I think you were nightkilled in Disappearance of Togs?
That's besides the point though. Why are you softing and talking about being mislynched? If you're a PR, you DON'T get mislynched, you claim as this set up is semi-open.
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*If I claim, I die*
Please understand.. :(
Also @Pokeit I didn't know how to respond, when I tried to use the quote function it comes up in a jangled mess and I became very stressed out. I'm not used to quoting awkward posts here still. Only simple ones
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If I claim, I'm dead. If I don't claim, I'm dead. WHAT DO YOU EXPECT FROM ME?
How much harder can I hint at my role without full claiming?!
I'm getting really annoyed here and it's just not worth my time.
At least after yet another mislynch maybe y'all can consider things differently, but probably won't happen anyway since it seems my fate here is to never survive a game

see, the problem is, you don't just hinted you are pr, you also hinted osie's one, if you where town and you would really die by mislynch, you would have just fully claim, instead of making us "trust" someone that is not cleared, eitehr way, if you don't claim, you'll be nk in case you're town, so JUST CLAIM and stop using AtE...
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Kiiruma said:
*If I claim, I die*
Please understand.. :(
Also @Pokeit I didn't know how to respond, when I tried to use the quote function it comes up in a jangled mess and I became very stressed out. I'm not used to quoting awkward posts here still. Only simple ones

if you don't claim and we don't lynch you, YOU DIE, or maybe not, cuz you're mafia, lol
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also gtg \o\
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I'm the Doctor. Congratulations on losing the one PR that mafia want dead.
I'm sick to death of this here, I either get mislynched and pushed into a corner I cannot get out from and then in the end I get had a go at FOR PEOPLE MISLYNCHING ME.
Kintaro Ooe from Golden Boy is my flavour.

I feel so damn demotivated on these forums and yet on Pokebeach the FM's not as constant. Why can I need have the motivation (and not being constantly MLd) and yet also have the consistent games? :|
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Kiiruma said:
*If I claim, I die*
Please understand.. :(
Also @Pokeit I didn't know how to respond, when I tried to use the quote function it comes up in a jangled mess and I became very stressed out. I'm not used to quoting awkward posts here still. Only simple ones
There should be some BBCode help when you're making a post, or you can just copy/paste or say the post number and I'll know what you're talking about.
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I'm the Doctor.
Ohh ok, well the least we can do now is remove the votes on you. @AlbertinoDias, @Osieorb18.

I think you would have been able to get out of it without claiming or providing so much info, but nothing we can do about it now. Now to figure out who to lynch.
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🏎️ Vote Count 1.7 🏎️

AlbertinoDias (3): Ironace, Kiiruma, Grrr
Kiiruma (2): Osieorb18, AlbertinoDias
Pokeit (1): RE
Grrr (1): Logic340

🏁 Not Voting 🏁 Cantripmancer, Pokeit

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Kiiruma said:
I'm the Doctor. Congratulations on losing the one PR that mafia want dead.
I'm sick to death of this here, I either get mislynched and pushed into a corner I cannot get out from and then in the end I get had a go at FOR PEOPLE MISLYNCHING ME.
Kintaro Ooe from Golden Boy is my flavour.

I feel so damn demotivated on these forums and yet on Pokebeach the FM's not as constant. Why can I need have the motivation (and not being constantly MLd) and yet also have the consistent games? :|
Well dang. I thought Dias could have been doctor, based on his mechanical talk and push of you. But I probably mixed things up. Will need everyone to check in first though, since you could still be mafia wanting to out a PR.
Regardless, there was no need to hint your role or call attention to another player being a PR.
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vote: AlbertinoDias

I don't entirely trust this though, based on ironace's vote on him.
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Pokeit said:

Kiiruma said:
2) Being beyond overly defensive.
How am I being "beyond overly defensive"? Please provide examples. I've just been responding to your suspicions and thoughts. Also, the use of both 'overly' and 'beyond' on a lackluster argument seems like you're just trying to make me look scummy with no evidence.

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3) If you had used similar reasoning on them then I'll admit it would've taken me longer to pick up on it, but I truly believe I'd have got there eventually and started pushing like mad
Would you say you are currently pushing like mad on me? Are you planning on voting for me?

1) I provided a place which I thought was overly defensive. Normally people don't just machine gun questions one after the other and that's why I might've interpreted it that way. Also, no evidence? None of us have evidence behind pushed D1, just pointing out the obvious
2) No, I don't think I am since I'm not only pushing on you, I'm pushing on Dias too and trying to split it quite well. As for voting you, I'm not sure. I think voting Dias is better here (out of the two of you) as they were my stronger scumread.
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RE said:
Well dang. I thought Dias could have been doctor, based on his mechanical talk and push of you. But I probably mixed things up. Will need everyone to check in first though, since you could still be mafia wanting to out a PR.
Regardless, there was no need to hint your role or call attention to another player being a PR.

I was hard telling everyone again in my push against Dias that Dias' doc talk was nonsense, once again hard hinting at my role. I'm really upset that people didn't catch on ngl because now I just feel like no-actioning.

If scum are clever and are playing the long game they'll probably keep me alive to try and make it out that I'm not actually doc and it was a sudden fakeclaim. But I guess we'll see
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Can someone provide me with the main reasons why AlbertinoDias is being the primary lynch target right now? Because of his early set-up gaming?
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I could also go for ironace or Pokeit, but I don't think there's enough momentum for that.
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Can someone provide me with the main reasons why AlbertinoDias is being the primary lynch target right now? Because of his early set-up gaming?
I initially left him alone because I thought there was a chance he was doctor (iirc, based on his doctor claim?) Actually - now it makes perfect sense why Kiiruma was after him for that.

But now without that backing him up, his push on Kiiruma looks really bad.
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Jan 21, 2019 9:12 AM

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Can someone provide me with the main reasons why AlbertinoDias is being the primary lynch target right now? Because of his early set-up gaming?
I initially left him alone because I thought there was a chance he was doctor (iirc, based on his doctor claim?) Actually - now it makes perfect sense why Kiiruma was after him for that.

But now without that backing him up, his push on Kiiruma looks really bad.
Correction - not doctor claim, but his PM to Togs about the doctor or something like that.
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Jan 21, 2019 9:13 AM

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I don't like that 2 of the votes on AlbertinoDias' train are Ironace and Grrr.. They haven't contributed much to the train or this game at all for that matter.
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I don't like that 2 of the votes on AlbertinoDias' train are Ironace and Grrr.. They haven't contributed much to the train or this game at all for that matter.
Me neither :I

This is... something.
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RE said:
RE said:
I initially left him alone because I thought there was a chance he was doctor (iirc, based on his doctor claim?) Actually - now it makes perfect sense why Kiiruma was after him for that.

But now without that backing him up, his push on Kiiruma looks really bad.
Correction - not doctor claim, but his PM to Togs about the doctor or something like that.
To be honest, I think most of his posts have just been confusing to read and look through. He did suspect Kiiruma to have setup knowledge, and thought this was because he was mafia. Turns out it's because Kiiruma was a power role.
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If scum are clever and are playing the long game they'll probably keep me alive to try and make it out that I'm not actually doc and it was a sudden fakeclaim. But I guess we'll see
Well, not exactly. Now that you've full claimed, if no one counter claims you, you're basically clear. Otherwise anyone who counterclaims you at an awkward time (say, lylo or mylo) either made the worst play ever or is scum.
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Correction - not doctor claim, but his PM to Togs about the doctor or something like that.
To be honest, I think most of his posts have just been confusing to read and look through. He did suspect Kiiruma to have setup knowledge, and thought this was because he was mafia. Turns out it's because Kiiruma was a power role.
But why jump to the assumption that Kiiruma is mafia? Literally being a PR is another option, and I'd expect there to be more hesitation in pushing a potential PR.
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Ironace's #209 sounds very cautious. Sounds like he's just restating previous opinions and not making strong reads, combined with his first page posts, which were set up related, referring to Osies plan and complaning about the game not progressing, I haven't seen any posts where he is actively looking for mafia.
Due to this, I am placing my vote here and this is who I believe we should lynch.

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