Why so sensitive to how people react to yaoi/yuri?

HeroicIdealism said:

There is a statistic that shows everyone could fit in Texas. It would be extremely uncomfortable, yet it'd be possible. Now, there is tons of barren land in USA, lots in Australia, lots in Russia, etc. There is a lot of room to fit more humans.

Resources are not infinite, I know that, and I never once stated that they were infinite.. I said that we have plenty.

Homosexuality is attraction to same sex. When it comes to men, anal sex is very, very common, for it is the only sort of intercourse a man can have with another man. This should not have to be pointed out to you.

HeroicIdealism said:


Haha, I have no such obsession with buttsex.

I only ever made the true claim that gay men who have intercourse (probably the majority of them) have buttsex. You are saying that I am ignorant. I am just defending my claim.

Society does needs to function and, despite my ills with society, it is functioning great on a base level.

Poverty is shrinking all over the world, for example. More and more people are getting electricity and internet. Things are going great in that respect. Overpopulation is not an issue in most countries.

Bourmegar said:
Well to be honest.
NOT adapting Good BL Mangas (and others ofc) is just like Ignoring the big pot of gold that is in front of you.
I mean there is a demographic that is just hungry for good BL Material (The Fuyoshis are most liky to watch and spread it) and willing to pay for it, why ignore them?

Good BL Anime can shatter the negative image that Yaoi has, And If it is good then Word of mouth will do its Job (Like with Made in Abyss). heck Yuri on Ice qas very well recieved so why not make more good BL Anime?

The Anime industry seems to be playing way to safe, not taking any risks whatsoever.

Pullman said:
I'm just not sure that the majority fujos even want what we'd call 'good' BL. That's the thing. Just like ecchi fans will usually not share the same concept of 'good ecchi series' that non-ecchi fans might wish for. There's a demand for smut and fetishization that's probably bigger than for sensibly-written same-sex romance. At least in Japan. Otherwise those types of manga wouldn't mostly be the only BL manga that get popular enough to get an adaption. The success of those titles compared to the other kind speaks volumes.

konkelo said:

While I do think industry is playing safe on many things I don't think this particular case can be applied to it. I'd guess one of the reasons is how short BL stories are, they rarely are long running and thus don't need anime adaptation for commercial reasons. It's not every decade you get series as long as From Eroica with love with it's 39 volumes.


I'm of that opinion even smutty fiction can be written with somewhat standards and have even something of value beyond sexual interest. Ai no kusabi is straight out just erotica fiction but it did include interesting sci-fi world, that gets more covered in LN. So I'm not really against stuff like that getting adaption.

Not that sure Japan fanbase would desire only your standard rape yaoi fest. A Cruel God Reigns won an Osamu Tezuka Culture Award 1997 and ML series My Brother's Husband has won Japan Cartoonist Association Award and Japan Media Arts Award, it got even live action adaption.

Pullman said:
Okay two things:

1. For me smut goes hand in hand with fetishization and while you're right, that can still happen in an interesting setting etc... it is hardly possible to combine fetishization with actually thorough, in-depth takes on the exact topic that is being fetishized. Either you fetishize homosexual relationships like the majority of Yaoi especially all the ones that get anime adaptions OR you try to explore the topic of homosexuality in a more thorough, detailed and holistic way. I was just talkiing about the representation of homosexuality, not about having cool settings or anything like that. Of course you can combine fetishization with any number of external factors, but you can't combine it with a good, realistic exploration of homosexuality and homosexual relationships. You need to drop the fetishization and idealizations for that to be an option and by doing that you lose a lot of appeal regarding fujos who are used to the stereotypes, the horrendously binary seme/uke dynamics, the romantication of non-con and all the other tropes that prevent an actually accurate, realistic or believable take on the topic of homosexuality but are successful in arousing the interest of fujos.

2. I think you're mixing up acclaim with popularity. I've seen tons of manga get awards and accolades without ever reaching anything close to mainstream Otaku popularity that would get them an adaption so I assume it is not very different with Yaoi. I know and repeatedly said that there is probably a bunch of good stuff in manga, but there's a reason only the fetishizing ones get anime adaptions. That's what the fujos want and as far as anime is concerned they are the driving force of the female fandom. The entirety of the existing yaoi anime is proof of that so I don't think it's really arguable. I'm just giving an explanation.

Giving something a live-action adaption simply means they think it has enough sophisticated mainstream appeal to warrant it rather than targeting it at fujos specificially like an anime adaption would. They might not appreciate it as much. The fact that there are good stories about homosexuality out there, but they get live-action rather than anime, just further proves my point. For the most part it isn't necessarily the fujos that are interested in those kind of more in-depth explorations, but it's other people who just want to see it being treated like any other interesting topic. People like me who have no interest in the fetishizing kind. That's why they get targeted at a general live action audience rather than a niche fujotaku audience.

Of course there will be some overlap, but for the most part there is a fundamental difference in being interested in fetishized depictions of homosexual men for your own entertainment and being interested in the exploration of homosexuality as a serious topic, and being interested in the former doesn't automatically mean being interested in the latter.

Bernrika said:

? I don't mind Yuri. I even read it.


It's a genre that often explores a lot of themes and make dozen of social commentaries. As I said, stick to ecchi or something like that, it's more like up your alley and it doesn't violate your safe space.