| @Noboru It should have been obvious, at the very least you write capitalize nouns and some adjectives...But never underestimate an idiot's power to stay clueless :D Since my knowledge is very limited I'm obliged to say Standard German as that's what's I studied and heard most in general, I honestly don't think I'll be able to tell a dialect from standard or Austrian German. I agree with that, which is why I didn't think English and my native language are not only unrelated but have virtually nothing in common (save from the newly borrowed words like football, computer, other technical terms etc) with Germanic/Latin based languages @crashinho If you speak Macedonian you can always add Bulgarian as spoken language as well to your CV and you won't be lying xD |
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Enjyu said: They're quite distinguishable when it comes to really speaking in Dialect and not have some dialect- or regional-colored Aspects flown in in the respective Standard Variety of the Language.Since my knowledge is very limited I'm obliged to say Standard German as that's what's I studied and heard most in general, I honestly don't think I'll be able to tell a dialect from standard or Austrian German. This is how Swiss Standard German sounds like (you may wish to adjust the Volume lower before and watch it alone. Also, be prepared of Maximum Cringiness. Just added him, because he has a clear and distinguishable Voice.) (North) German Standard German Moderator interviews an Austrian Speaker Here are a few German Dialects in Comedy Sketches (first, second, third and fifth; though "Plattdeutsch" or "Low German" is technically a different Language) (I found the "Badisch" Variant the best.) Austrian and Swiss Standard German are generally more rich in Tone, so I'm quite surprised when someone finds German Standard German more pleasant to the Ear. Well, Swiss sounds rather gay, anyway xD I agree with that, which is why I didn't think English and my native language are not only unrelated but have virtually nothing in common (save from the newly borrowed words like football, computer, other technical terms etc) with Germanic/Latin based languages That "didn't think" and "not only unrelated" + "nothing in common" + "save from" is quite contradictory phrased. Did you think that English and your native Language are unrelated or did you not think that? Also, what about now in the Present? Also, you really think that Words have been only borrowed in the recent Time? What about щраус? here you can look up a few of the other Words, too.. Not everything has been borrowed only recently or even borrowed at all. |
NoboruFeb 11, 2017 11:12 AM
| @Noboru Yeah I'm basically talking shite :D ...I was trying to say that I don't think they're related. Just to give you an idea of how Bulgarian sounds here's a boring news report https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yrEzqI1Pnv8 You can decide for yourself if it's any similar to English or any other Western language of your choice You can't be serious when asking if I think (ALL) loan words are from recent times. I might not be living in Bulgaria but I can't be that ignorant, can I. Bulgaria has a history of over 1000 years, one doesn't need to specialize in linguistics to figure out foreign words are not a new phenomenon. There's many borrowed from Turkish(mostly I think),Greek, French, German, English and other languages. I don't know when щраус was adopted but loan words exist in any language so the "save from" part is not really that relevant in terms of language similarity/connection. It's hard to tell in the present since many (especially younger generations) are constantly exposed to foreign languages and mixing in foreign words is not uncommon (i.e a lot of people say "merci" instead of the Bg word "blagodarya"), but personally I don't feel this is because of relation to the language in question and I don't think it's a thing in Bg only anyway. About German dialects, one needs to have good knowledge about the language (which I admit I don't) to tell the difference. I'm sure like any language dialects vary and are very distinguishable but I really didn't have enough time to learn even basics so I'm ashamed to say but I can't do more than a simple introduction, although I can understand more than I can say when I read. |
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| @Enjyu: Well, you should just pay a bit more Attention to what you're actually saying xD The report sounded a bit like Romanian, tbh + there were a few Words like "situatie", "russe", "visije" (vist), "resultate", "stiiem" (we know), "probleme" that I think I've heard out. True, I was just asking whether you were really thinking that the only Thing Bulgarian would have in common with Non-Slavic Languages would be the Loan-Words, especially in recent Time. And yeah, Romanians also use "merci" as a Short-Form. To be fair, I can't pinpoint the Location for many Dialects, either. However, I'm aware when someone speaks in a Dialect (not just dialectal-colored Vernacular- Language) or in a Swiss or Austrian Standard, because they sound less robotic, artificial. Reading is easier for me as well, because when you see the Words, you may notice some familiar Patterns and the more you read, the more you'll be able to fill out the missing Words through the Context. |
| @Noboru I should read my post before posting it to make sure I got my English correct :D Bulgarian certainly shares some words with Romanian but again it's a far cry from sounding similar (although I don't know how Bg sounds to people who don't speak it :D may be it really sounds like Romanian), and you got quite a lot from that video. Situatsiya, Russe (the name of the city), rezultat, problem. Not sure about visije or stiiem, not in Bg at least "True, I was just asking whether you were really thinking that the only Thing Bulgarian would have in common with Non-Slavic Languages would be the Loan-Words, especially in recent Time." do you perhaps think I'm retarded? To be honest it's the same with me, I can't recognize probably even half dialects to save my life, I can't even understand completely some dialects and I would actually be surprised if someone can (not a specialist of course). My teacher will probably cry if he heard me say this but with with German dialects (and any other language I don't speak fluently as a matter of fact) unless someone tells me the difference I don't think I'll be able to figure there actually is one. |
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| @Enjyu Then just do it! :p Bulgarian reminded me from the Tone-/Sound-Melody a bit of Romanian. Obviously, it's not the same, as Romanian is a Romance Language and Bulgarian a Slavic one. Could be that I've misheard Things, since my Ears aren't fine-tuned to hear the Bulgarian Language. "do you perhaps think I'm retarded?" I wouldn't go so far as to question your Sanity or your mental Capability, but I'm quite surprised how you can argue that Bulgarian would be absolutely unrelated to the other Indo-European Languages when you have posted a Part of the Language Family above. For Comparison, here is the whole more detailed Picture: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:IndoEuropeanTree.svg But you can notice when someone speaks a Bulgarian Dialect or the Standard Language or just has a different Accent, can't you? |
| @Noboru Well yeah, like I said I don't know how it sounds to people who don't speak Bg so as far as I'm concerned it can sound like Romanian or any other language. I have to say though for someone who's not used to the language you did hear quite a lot and it was pretty accurate. Now I would appreciate if you don't exaggerate (misinterpret?) my words. I don't remember arguing that Bulgarian is absolutely unrelated to all Indo-European languages, rather unrelated to Germanic languages. I also agreed there is connection between all languages (however vague it may be). You've proven your point that Bulgarian is somehow related to English, however "distant relative" doesn't even begin to describe it About dialects, sure enough I can tell the difference but some sound so different I actually struggle understanding the meaning and some sounds just like a softer version of the Standard (pronunciation-wise) |
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| @Enjyu Thanks. I guess growing up (partially) bilingual and having had 3 Foreign Languages in School does have its Benefits. Plus, those Words that I had guessed right were pretty much international Vocabulary, anyway. As far as Indo-European languages are concerned I wouldn't call all languages under that umbrella "more or less" or "relatively" or "distinctly" or even "at all" related ^^ As we can see from this chart (courtesy from Wikipedia) there is literally 0 connection with Germanic languages English and my native language are not only unrelated but have virtually nothing in common (save from the newly borrowed words like football, computer, other technical terms etc) with Germanic/Latin based languages I don't remember arguing that Bulgarian is absolutely unrelated to all Indo-European languages, rather unrelated to Germanic languages. I also agreed there is connection between all languages (however vague it may be). You've proven your point that Bulgarian is somehow related to English, however "distant relative" doesn't even begin to describe it Hmm, that really sounds as if you would reject the Notion of an Indo-European Language Family. Or are you saying that the Germanic Languages are not a Part of the Indo-Europan Languages and are thus not related? "They have common Roots, but are not related." - What I've understood from your Postings. Also, there being a Connection between different Languages doesn't imply they're related with each other. Take the Words "Mama" and "Papa". Does the Existence of "Mama" in Mandarin Chinese imply Chinese is an Indo-European Language? Also, why aren't Finnish, Hungarian and Basque Indo-European Languages? |
NoboruFeb 13, 2017 1:28 PM
| Malay - Native language English - Currently learning so its not exactly perfect yet. |
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| English - Native language German - Native language French - Learnt / know a bit? Portuguese - Learnt / know a bit / Spanish can understand as it's quite similar with some words (Know enough to have a conversation with someone anyway) |
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| @Noboru No, actually as I said you've proved your argument, and I'm obliged to agree with that. I was wrong when I said they have 0 relation as it turns out, but I still stand behind my last argument that (regardless of relation or not) "distinct" is a weak term I don't know about Mandarin and mama/papa but even if they're not the same family, there is a good explanation I reckon. I mean 2 languages don't need to be related to share the same or similar words. As far as I'm concerned it can be a foreign loan word? |
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| Dutch - native language English - mostly fluent German - I can understand and speak it French - I can partly understand it and I know some words/sentences Russian - I know some swearwords xD (CSGO) |
| That is a bit rare that someone is natively bilingual with (English?) English and German. @Enjyu: Just for the Record, but I never used the Word "distinct" in our Discussion. The Word I use is distantly as in Distance as in the Measure of something far, far away. Distantly related means that that they are still related, just not as much as the Slavic Languages or the Germanic Languages in their respective Branches. Nope, they are false Cognates. Words, that have been created independently in different Languages without there being a common Ancestor. Now if you want to know how you can be so sure that certain Words have a common Origin and others are just an independent Creation or a Loan-Word, I can't really say, since I'm not a (historical) Linguist. But from what I've read about the "Papa" and "Mama"-Words, they are just some Babbling that Babies all over the World in the same or in a similar Fashion utter to get the Attention of their Parents, thus there is no Need to look for a common Ancestor there. For another Case, there may have been similar Words like "Water" appear through different Languages, which may hint at common Language. |
| Portugues - mother language like I'm Brazilian. English - Fluent Spanish - Fluent Italian - so so Japanese - trying to learn |
| By the way. If anyone what some help with the Portuguese I can help. (: |
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