naka_kun11 said: Halpher said: Dude, I’ve been saying this. The filler destroyed the pacing and pissed people off when Bleach was on-going. I understand how they feel. Ichigo vs Grimjow ends then next week you get something completely unrelated. I think the studio should’ve of wait before releasing new episodes because it just took you out of the story and destroys the pace and tension. Then Bleach has a recap episode after all that filler because they had so much filler between that time (It is fucking ridiculous) that it even wasted more time. On point, dude. And all of them were kind of patchy. The Bount arc was a nosedive after that epic Soul Society arc. Just cause the show was doing well, the studio added them, knowing that all the fans would still watch. And of course it can't interfere with the main arc, so they made up this half-assed stuff. I hear that Bleach had plot holes. Now I never felt there were any plot holes, but I consider maybe I missed something or that I didn’t notice. Excluding filler because I have literally been talking all canon. This is why you don’t see me bringing up anything filler related and I said in the OP that filler would be excluded for both series. It’s all Kishi and Tite and the stories for what they are. I think maybe the plot holes people are talking about are maybe associated with fillers and they contradict what they saw later. I don’t know and i’m open to finding out and seeing it for myself as I don’t think any series is perfect including my Favorite anime Hunter X Hunter. I think if you take out filler Bleach is actually short in the anime. It shouldn’t be 300+ episodes and I think because of filler that people might’ve lost interest and were tired of it by the end of Aizen because Bleach(Anime) took so long including filler to get there. So people might’ve wanted the arc to just end already. Also this is the reason I hate Super Eyepatch Wolf’s video The Fall Of Bleach because he doesn’t know what he is talking about and neither is he considering his audience as he repeats what has been said to validate and even add on to the bullshit. I said that most of the people watching Bleach in the West were watching the Anime adding on Naruto had a better spot than Bleach on Cartoon Network’s Toonami as Naruto was advertised alot back in the day while Bleach was on Adult Swim. More people likely saw Naruto than Bleach. Eyepatch Wolf wants to bring up Manga and uses a Japanese Region based Ranking to explain to the West why Bleach failed considering he likely knows nothing of the Japanese audience nor the TV Programming or the environment in Japan to make up any claims. He uses what people in the West said to state why it fell in the Rankings despite People in the West having no effect on it as Weekly Shonen Jump gets the rankings in Japan. Also The Rankings doesn’t judge an arc or anything like that as it judges a Chapter. So if Chapter 5 is shit, but the 1st 4 Chapters were Masterpieces to people literally the rankings 7 weeks or issues laters will reflect on a specific Chapter. This means Eyepatch Wolf is full of shit. You don’t use complaints from the Western Audience to explain the Rankings based off a Japanese-Region. It’s laughable. Also he ignores the anime as literally many were anime-only watchers and Bleach gains fans with their anime adaptation it’s literally what got people into Naruto. JoJo wasn’t even popular in the West despite it being extremely popular in Japan being #1 in 2004 until it got an Anime. None of this has everything to do with quality as it could involve circumstances with many factors involved. These people want to say ”Bleach is shit thats why it failed so I can easily say that SAO is shit, but why didn’t that fail? |
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| @animefan0071 It’s cool. Not sure if what you said is true as in Kubo being forced to rush anything as I never looked into that. If so then that’s unfortunate also if that was for Kishimoto then it’s unfortunate. As a Watcher/Reader I just want the best product as possible so I don’t like when Writers aren’t being allowed to do their story their way. Also about Naruto having filler it is unfortunate as well, but Naruto’s fillers were better placed as when an arc ended they went into a filler arc. This was better than what Bleach did which could’ve completely ruin an arc for a viewer due to the pacing getting all fucked up. Naruto never destroyed pacing like Bleach did if we’re talking filler in my opinion. It’s a possibility and maybe thats what happened. I think the Naruto fillers were boring, but I didn’t let that sway my judgement on the story from a canon standpoint, but anime wise? Ugh...not great, but I can’t say that Bleach the anime is exempt from this as well. |
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Halpher said: @animefan0071 It’s cool. Not sure if what you said is true as in Kubo being forced to rush anything as I never looked into that. If so then that’s unfortunate also if that was for Kishimoto then it’s unfortunate. As a Watcher/Reader I just want the best product as possible so I don’t like when Writers aren’t being allowed to do their story their way. Also about Naruto having filler it is unfortunate as well, but Naruto’s fillers were better placed as when an arc ended they went into a filler arc. This was better than what Bleach did which could’ve completely ruin an arc for a viewer due to the pacing getting all fucked up. Naruto never destroyed pacing like Bleach did if we’re talking filler in my opinion. It’s a possibility and maybe thats what happened. I think the Naruto fillers were boring, but I didn’t let that sway my judgement on the story from a canon standpoint, but anime wise? Ugh...not great, but I can’t say that Bleach the anime is exempt from this as well. Yeah I can totally agree with you, and it's sad that companies sometimes do that. I read about Kubo's in a article (I'll try to track it down) and I'm not 100% sure about Kishimoto's but it kind of feels like they did (to me anyways from what I can remember). |
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naka_kun11 said: animefan0071 said: Yeah I can totally agree with you, and it's sad that companies sometimes do that. I read about Kubo's in a article (I'll try to track it down) and I'm not 100% sure about Kishimoto's but it kind of feels like they did (to me anyways from what I can remember). If the writers had to do something like that, its kind of wrong. Of course you can't leave them to work completely ar their own leisure , but still they should be able to explore whatever new stories, character relations, sub-plots,etc . they want to. It's this kind of stuff that many a times makes the show endearing to different fans. Bleach did lose some of its goofiness (which I really liked) as the show wore on, which if it was due to something like this, is kinda bad (I might be wrong, although - it could have been something to do with Ichigo's character development too). Yeah I agree with everything you just said. I sadly can't find the story the only thing I can really remember from it was that Kubo did want to develop more of the side characters like Keigo, Mizuiro & Tatsuki and I think have them more in the story (I guess closer to main-ish characters) Although if that is true, I still think they did alright with them. |
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Zetaborutan said: Bleach vs Naruto thread in 2017.What ? Is this some kind of joke? Have you lived under a rock? Watchmojo made a 5 Reasons Naruto is better than Bleach and ScrewAttack announced Naruto vs Ichigo November 11th. Someone made a video discussing Espada vs Akatsuki Around this time people are constantly pitting Naruto related things with Bleach related things. Also this thread isn’t no ordinary Naruto vs Bleach thread it has a purpose to open back up the Bleach discussion and argue against the criticism and actually point out the flaws in them. People say why Bleach failed without actually giving a good argument. I can’t explain what happened to Bleach when it pertains in Japan, but in the West I can make many possibilities and Bleach being the butt of everyones jokes i’m here to actually prove how BS and petty they are. This goes for Super Eyepatch Wolf’s video which has gone without criticism and straight praise as if it’s gospel, but i’m here to argue how that video was bullshit and how ot created the “Naruto and Luffy had a Goal” myth that everyone is now using. People are now being hypocritical due to them not know what the fuck they’re saying. I can’t believe that no one brings up Bleach’s fillers nor do they bring up how Tite was pressured by his fans Neither do they look into what happened I even heard that Bleach’s art was better in 2001 compared to later and I got to tell you...How the fuck is 2001 Bleach art better than 2010 Post Bleach art? Look at the manga from back then to now and tell me how Blocky Head Ichigo looks better to Facially defined Ichigo... |
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Halpher said: SigmaticDoc said: For someone who would ''respect someone's opinion if he thought that Naruto is better'', you're getting rather heated up. lol Anyways, both shows are garbage but Naruto is better as it is more consistent. Bleach really only has it's amazing art going for it, as well as the music. It has some of the best OPs in all of anime. But besides that, it's a rushed mess with tons of plot holes and ended with a few sub-plots not being concluded. Naruto's writing at it's peak is actually rather decent, the Uchiha Clan backstory, besides that, it's a pretty average shounen with a few inconsistencies here and there as well. Bottom line is. This topic is pointless as more or less, both shows are not good. No.....I don't think Naruto's writing at it's peak is decent...everyone says that and never explains or shows why. I have been showing so much god damn bullshit from Naruto and I haven't even gotten to 50% of everything I think wrong. Also you think the topic is pointless because both shows are not good..... Who dictates both shows are not good? you? I don't care if you think so...some people may love these shows and find both good, but since you said "Both are not good" that means it's not good? What plot-holes did Bleach have and thats a genuine question... Naruto has plot-holes with Kakashi using Kamui in the war and spamming it like Jesus Christ Perfect Susano without the Eternal Sharigan Naruto & Sasuke meeting the Sage who is DEAD in their subconscious and somehow escaping death afterwards Obito who was just disintegrated gives Kakashi his Sharigan from the Afterlife..... A FEW INCONSISTENCIES!? What about the Barrier? How did Kisame get in so easily? I don't ask Itachi because Itachi lived there and the Barrier wouldn't spot him as a weird signal, but Kisame should've been caught What about the Sound 4 that easily infiltrated the village? Where was this Barrier? Few Inconsistencies? I'll argue it had more than a "Few" it was full of dumb bullshit for the sake of plot. Itachi's backstory if you watch Naruto vs Sasuke.....wait a minute..HOLY SHOT THOSE FLASHBACKS WERE CANON! I had to be sure..I had to be sure they were canon. Danzo wasn't even thought of yet and if we consider that it means that Itachi's story likely wasn't considered yet. Danzo easily could've been Hokage...like literally they were begging Jiraya and Tsunade to become Hokage...where was Danzo? 3rd Hokage is dead and no one wants to become Hokage.... Naruto has some bullshit going on. -Tōshirō Hitsugaya has admitted his Shikai can only produce a small amount of ice in comparison to what his Bankai can produce. (Chapter 548, pages 14-15) However, during his fight with Hyōrinmaru, Hitsugaya not only uses one of his Bankai's techniques with his Shikai, but also created an enormous amount of ice with it. (The Awakening Hyōrinmaru! Hitsugaya's Fierce Fight) -In manga chapter 001. Death & Strawberry, Rukia Kuchiki arrives in Karakura Town and appears at the Kurosaki Clinic to fight Fishbone D within the same day. In anime episode 1, The Day I Became a Shinigami, there is an extra day between these events. -In manga Chapter 1 page 13, Yuzu informs Ichigo that he has a "friend" haunting him, even though it is mentioned later in the manga that she has no ability to see spirits. -In Episode 250, an unseated Shinigami is shown wielding two swords while not in his Shikai state. However, it was directly stated by Genryūsai Shigekuni Yamamoto that the only Shinigami whose Zanpakutō has this property is Shunsui Kyōraku. (The same thing is in the manga). -During the Zanpakutō Rebellion, Muramasa was able to control "Zangetsu", despite the latter not being a true Zanpakutō. However, Zangetsu's status as the source of Ichigo's Quincy powers wouldn't be revealed for another few story arcs. -Despite the fact that Sajin Komamura's Bankai, Kokujō Tengen Myō'ō is supposed to copy his every move, it takes on a different stance when he releases it in 327. Knockdown Monsters. Later in the same chapter, Komamura's left hand is partially closed while Myō'ō's is hanging open above him. -While the Kurosaki family is visiting Masaki's grave, Tatsuki Arisawa states that Masaki died when Ichigo was 9 years old, six years before the series began. Two years later, when Isshin tells Ichigo about the Auswählen , he states that it happened "9 years ago". Bleach has a lot more of these. Also inconsistent power levels, tho that plagues every crappy shonen. Including Naruto and Dragon Ball... ESPECIALLY Dragon Ball, that thing is nothing but plot holes and inconsistencies. |
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| @SigmaticDoc Before I get started may I just applaud you for actually replying with a civil approach and actually giving me instances and examples. I thank you. SigmaticDoc said: -Tōshirō Hitsugaya has admitted his Shikai can only produce a small amount of ice in comparison to what his Bankai can produce. (Chapter 548, pages 14-15) However, during his fight with Hyōrinmaru, Hitsugaya not only uses one of his Bankai's techniques with his Shikai, but also created an enormous amount of ice with it. (The Awakening Hyōrinmaru! Hitsugaya's Fierce Fight) So I checked the "The Awakening Hyōrinmaru! Hitsugaya's Fierce Fight" and found out what you're referring to is a filler arc. It is not canon and not written by Kubo and I did say that I was not including filler. I know what arc you're referring to as it's the "Zanpakto Rebellion"? So this means this is not a plot hole pertaining to the actual story because this is not canon material therefore it's not apart of the actual story. As to the filler it is bullshit. I did not watch this filler arc as I skipped Bleach filler. SigmaticDoc said: -In manga chapter 001. Death & Strawberry, Rukia Kuchiki arrives in Karakura Town and appears at the Kurosaki Clinic to fight Fishbone D within the same day. In anime episode 1, The Day I Became a Shinigami, there is an extra day between these events. This is not a plot hole as literally Kubo has no control to what the anime does. This is the anime just adapting the story differently. As literally this is the Anime going against the Manga and not the Story contradicting itself because the Source Material (Manga) did not go against what it had previously established. The anime may have, but that doesn't mean it is a plot hole. It's like Tokyo Ghoul and how in season 2 they literally adapted the story differently and if we use your logic does that mean it's a plot hole now? Since the Manga and Anime are different does that mean it is a plot hole? I think it's nonsense and unfair to call it a plot hole as literally the writer of the actual source material doesn't have anything to do with it's anime counterpart's execution of their story. SigmaticDoc said: -In manga Chapter 1 page 13, Yuzu informs Ichigo that he has a "friend" haunting him, even though it is mentioned later in the manga that she has no ability to see spirits. Now this is possibly a plot hole. The reason I say possibly is because I'm missing confirmation that it is stated that Yuzu has no ability to see ghosts. I feel it was stated, but I have forgotten where. Also the reason I am more skeptical is because it was stated she could see a blur. So it even confuses me even more. I need info that clears this up as this is indeed a possible plot hole as I need one piece of info to confirm that. If you can would you find that page? If so then thank you. SigmaticDoc said: -In Episode 250, an unseated Shinigami is shown wielding two swords while not in his Shikai state. However, it was directly stated by Genryūsai Shigekuni Yamamoto that the only Shinigami whose Zanpakutō has this property is Shunsui Kyōraku. (The same thing is in the manga). Again this is filler and not apart of the actual story. It is not a plothole. It's just Filler. Filler that contradicts the story. Filler that wasn't written by Tite Kubo and is not apart of the original source material or the manga. SigmaticDoc said: -During the Zanpakutō Rebellion, Muramasa was able to control "Zangetsu", despite the latter not being a true Zanpakutō. However, Zangetsu's status as the source of Ichigo's Quincy powers wouldn't be revealed for another few story arcs. Again, Filler. SigmaticDoc said: -Despite the fact that Sajin Komamura's Bankai, Kokujō Tengen Myō'ō is supposed to copy his every move, it takes on a different stance when he releases it in 327. Knockdown Monsters. Later in the same chapter, Komamura's left hand is partially closed while Myō'ō's is hanging open above him. Okay I just checked it out. I will agree that is a funny inconsistency, but it's not really a big one that affects the story significantly, but it is a inconsistency I will agree on that. SigmaticDoc said: -While the Kurosaki family is visiting Masaki's grave, Tatsuki Arisawa states that Masaki died when Ichigo was 9 years old, six years before the series began. Two years later, when Isshin tells Ichigo about the Auswählen , he states that it happened "9 years ago". Now thats a possible inconsistency and the reason I say that is because it depends on the time when Masaki died. It could've been around when Ichigo just turned 9 and Ichigo could be turning 18 soon. So Isshin could be estimating, but that is something I can't say, but I do consider what you're saying as this is a possible inconsistency. It's possible. SigmaticDoc said: Bleach has a lot more of these. Also inconsistent power levels, tho that plagues every crappy shonen. Including Naruto and Dragon Ball... ESPECIALLY Dragon Ball, that thing is nothing but plot holes and inconsistencies. Many of what you brought up was literally Non-Canon Material while some others being minor inconsistencies that aren't really a big deal at all if they are indeed truly inconsistent. While some are possible. Now the "Inconsistent Power Levels" part is something I want you to share to me as I've argued in the Arrancar arc that the Arrancar should've dominated at one point due to how the story hyped up the Arrancar (I'll check the manga if they also hyped it up to be sure it's canon). The Vasto Lordes should've been extremely OP. Ichigo got his ass kicked by Arrancar when he used Bankai (No Mask) so that stayed consistent. However the Captains is something I questioned myself. I am unsure though and I want you to share what you know to me as I'm uncertain. |
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Halpher said: @avory Ichigo wanting to protect his friends is something that can easily make people want to root for him. A guy whos mother died protecting him and a guy whos gotten his ass kicked. I think people could easily root for Ichigo. rooting for the Ichigo character, certainly, but rooting for them to succeed in what they're trying to accomplish is easier for Jotaro, because he has a clear singular goal he's working towards, while Ichigo has more of a protecting what he holds dear thing going on, which means doing/working towards different things depending on the situation. And that certainly isn't a bad thing but it is a way in which rooting for Jotaro to succeed is easier. rooting for Jotaro to succeed in his goal "I hope Jotaro kills Dio" (very clearly kill since just beating him up won't save his mom) rooting for Ichigo to succeed in his goal "I hope Ichigo succeeds in defeating the current main threat to his friends, or is able to somehow make peace with them" At least that's why I think it's easier for people to root for Jotaro (to succeed). And a lot of my favorite series/characters don't have a clear goal the characters are working towards but I like those characters a lot more than Jotaro and Ichigo, who are both fairly... simple... well, let's say they're not as internally conflicted as a character like Kurapika or Guts. *edit* though these certainly aren't my main problems with bleach or my main praises for jojo, but it is something that is kind of... there. *end edit* *second edit* actually now that I think about it rooting to succeed is essentially a logical result of the person having a goal/desire/dream/purpose they are working towards, which is my favorite positive character trait in characters (if it's done correctly), it's why Griffith is my favorite character of anything ever. and I know EPW says naruto kept having a goal (becoming hokage) and that's why it kept working and what I say is pretty much what he said, but honestly naruto wasn't really prioritising working towards becoming hokage, and was usually working towards something else (mostly saving his friends and completing missions) so I can't say it was that much of a really positive trait in my eye (instead he has the positive trait of caring about his friends). Jotaro however always worked towards reaching Dio, only fighting people that got in his way, he has a clear purpose he always worked towards, which I find admirable. Of course he also saves people along the way and goes out of his way to do so, but he's still very intentionally working towards reaching Dio almost all the time. Having a purpose is just so... respectable. *end second edit* |
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_Goldee_ said: I absolutely love shounen anime and these 2 are really the mainstream classic, but I find Bleach more entertaining and interesting than Naruto, even though it got cancelled. Naruto has so many fillers. I mean, every 200+ episode anime has fillers, but Naruto has the highest percentage of them. Except Sasuke's personality, there's really nothing great about Naruto. Not hating, just saying I prefer Bleach over Naruto. Actually Bleach is he anime with the highest percentage of fillers. 166 Fillers out of 366 episodes, which means, around 45% of the anime is filler. Naruto is 2 or 3 percents bellow. And Bleach fillers are the worst, because the are placed in the middle of cannon arcs and important fights, breaking the continuity of the story and being one of the main reasons it failed. At least in Naruto they tried to have some continuity. Halpher said: You just said that Tsunade knew Naruto could get stronger? Hold up....she understood the other villages failed to protect their jinchuriki...mostly all of them were stronger than Naruto and if each Akatsuki is Kage level....why would you send Naruto to them? I question your sense...That is a stupid and Naruto acted reckless when he was chasing Deidera and he encountered Itachi alone....do you remember that? He was looking for Sasuke and he found Itachi....what would've happened if it was someone else? You think Naruto at that time before Sage mode could fight an Akatsuki member alone? Naruto was never sent alone. When he left after Gaara (at his insistences) he was sent togheter with a team of Jounins and Chunnins (one of them being Kakashi, the other contenstant for the Kage possition) to chase two peoples. When Asuma was killed, they where sent as reinforcements once again in a team. No one knew at that point Asuma died, so the team consisted of 2 exceptional Jonnins, 7 Chunnins, one of them being AMBU member, + Naruto who was at least Chunnin level too. When he founght against Itachi and his partener, the mission did not involve Akatsuki, it was a surprise. Anyway, Tsunade asumed risks... Naruto would have meet with Akatsuki sooner or later. So it was better to take risks, have him gain experience and maybe reduce their number while they are at it. And what you totally ignore is that her judgement was not wrong... Naruto wasn't captured, he got stronger and him and his team defeated plenty Akatsuki members. In the end he got strong enought to defeat Pain, against who she couldn't do a thing. And he even put an end to the war saving the world. So I fail to understand why are you so angry. If her decission whould had lead to failures that would made everything worse I would have understood. But she did the right things. You seem to ignore that Naruto had no plan to actually put his idea into motion. His idea is just an idea and it's pointless if there is no plan and action put into fulfilling that idea which is the difference between Nagato and Naruto. You ignore that as well. Naruto screaming peace and saying "He wished for people to understand each other" Naruto failed to understand other people and their conflicts just like he expected the Raikage to allow Sasuke to roam free while Sasuke continued to attack & kill Ninja and Samurai with no consequences. - Yeah, but like I said before he was a 16yo brat. He had all the life before him to come with a solution. The First Hokage decided to make a village and bring peace when he was a kid too,,, he had no exact plan at the beggining, but he managed to do it in the end. Orochimaru dreamed to immortality too, and he had to do a lot of research before acomplishing his dream. ETC. The 3rd Hokage had a crystal ball in Chapter 1 to where he could watch Naruto somehow...but this same old fuck can't watch Danzo? You're telling me the 3rd Hokage is this incompetent he can't keep watch to whats happening in his village? It sounds about right when Naruto literally made him go unconscious by using the Sexy Justu.. - And do you expected? 3rd watch Danzo 24/24h? Plus Danz was the leaderof AMBU, he definetly had the means to hide from 3rd's globe like any other competent ninja could, otherwise that Crystal Globe would had been the ultimate weapon, that could unleash any secret and movement. And obviously 3rd knew many of the things Danzo did, but he knew he was doing them for the village. The 3rd was a ninja that was that gone trough all the 3 Great Wars. He was very conservative as a result and wanted to keep the peace. You bringing up Yamamoto and bring up how him and the 3rd loved their respective nations or institutions..... This tells me that you have missed the point entirely. I am criticizing the leadership and the actions and how he performed as Hokage. - So Yamamoto was a good leader? Do you forget that he was behind most of the tragedies in Bleach Universe? He was a failure of a leader , who left his pride rule over him. He is the one who wanted to execute Rukia. He was the one who literaly said: ''Orihime is a trator, don't go after her...'' leaving in the hands of Aizen the only person that could help him fulfill his plan. He never bothered to analyze, to think twiche, to come with other solutions than anihilation.... As the Quinchy about that... And lets not forget that he was the strongest Shinigami... he could had easly solved most of the issues with his shear power - like killing the Espada, instead he stayed behind letting others do the job, risking their lifes. HE could had even killed Aizen before him becoming immortal. So.....if a Hidden Cloud attacked the Leaf again....and their ninja died....and the Cloud wants you to give up a ninja again... Are you going to give up ninjas and send them to their deaths again? That event is simply too complex for your little brain... Cloud and Leaf where exhausted. They had a long and bloody war. Yet Leaf was the strongest village. Cloud wanted to have an advantage in the future, that why they tried to get Byakugan. Yet the Peace treaty was important. Despise Leaf being stronger they couldn't affort to be weakened further, as those events took place in the last Great War when other nations where at their troath. Both nations wanted the peace treaty, and both knew that. But Cloud wanted the Byakugan as they had no visual jutsu in their village. Probably for them Byakugan was a good price to pay for a prolonged war. When they failed they chosed to reduce the damage and make peace. They refused to recognize the kiddnapping attempt, and asked fot Hinata's father, to bury up the event. It was politics. There was no Cloud attack. Both wanted peace, and none could continue the war. If it wasn't for other villages, Leaf may had been able to wipe out Cloud, but at that moment peace with Cloud was strategically more important. And seriously now, do you find resonable continuing a war to protect a single person? Naruto knew about his clan dying and he KNEW that Sasuke wanted to kill Itachi....NARUTO WAS THERE WHEN ITACHI JUST 1 KO'd Sasuke.....and Sasuke charged at Itachi with a Chidori.... Naruto didn't knew about Itachi until it was to late. Naruto learned about Itachi when they meet with Itachi, and after that moment Sasuke left. This is why I say you're biased and also why I hate Kakashi because Kakashi was the one who put them in this situation when they weren't ready at all. Also the Academy didn't teach them shit. They are child soldiers. The story make a point over and over about their tragedy and how they die early and pointless death for peety reasons. It seems you're just like the others as if you go full idiot and lacking the ability to interpret information properly. Ichigo....KNEW RUKIA! They were together for a long ass time hunting down hollows... - Long ass time? Lool... Ichigo becomes a Shinigami in middle of May. Rukia leaves for SS on the night of 19th July. Then on 8th August Ichigo and the team go to SS to save her after less than month of training. So basically Rukia and Ichigo spent around 2 months together before Ichigo getting in a suicide mission to save her. Naruto and Sasuke saw each other as rivals since they where like 7 ... from the moment Itachi killed the clan until Team 7 was formed, 5 years had passed. And did I mention te REAINCARNATION THING? I did... And with Orihime he was friend, but his relationship with her wasn't much deeper than the one with Rukia. All the relationships are actually very shallow... Ichidoge becomes a Shinigami in middle of May, and defeats Aizen on 1st November. 6 months and a half. That is how long the events in Bleach take... don't tell me that the relationships in Naruto are ridiculous when characters in Bleach develop such a strong relationship in half a year. ''Naruto at 12 wasn't on his "Peace" stuff until he got to Pain in Shippuden. Go and read the manga like seriously. Naruto when he was 16 literally tried to solve issues and doesn't know anything as he is naive, but you ignore how every experienced Ninja like Kakashi and Tsuande and Pain who have been through War and hardships believe this naive 16 year old boy and act like he is the next Jesus Christ.'' - Naruto represents the new generation. The one that can change the mistakes of his predecessors. Obviously, as Bleach is bald and unidimenssional, you failed to see those subtilities and symbolism. ''Yamamoto didn't let Ichigo to infiltrate the SS.'' - And Sarutobi didn't permit Orochimaru to infiltrate. Orochimaru had a plan just like Quinchy. He was a former membe of the village so he knew the village very well. He was a former student of Sarutobi, so he knew him very well. And he sed a day when the village was open and lots of outsiders where in it. Is War Strategy 101. You stared this debate by saying that Bleach is more mature/serious.... but as you prooved yourself, it has none of the messages and symbols of Naruto, Ichigo is nothing like Naruto, and Bleach is nothng mre than an action Shounen, and never tried to be something more. but Naruto did... that why is better... |
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