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Oct 17, 2014 6:05 PM
#21
Just look for it yourself honestly. It's very uncommon. Especially since you're so picky. |
Oct 17, 2014 6:15 PM
#22
Pretty sure that trinity blood is the only one to feature such a scythe. Found several similar scythes in bleach. Goodluck finding more @.@ |
Oct 17, 2014 6:30 PM
#23
xRatatosk said: Just look for it yourself honestly. It's very uncommon. Especially since you're so picky. I tried looking up myself, I found nothing. So I am asking people if they have seen one. No, I am not picky, The scythes work differently and if the blades are connected, the scythe doesn't even look like a scythe! |
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Oct 17, 2014 7:05 PM
#25
Forgot to mention that in trinity blood the scythe has multiple forms https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PQPu06dMkpQ This one features your so called double sided scythe |
Oct 17, 2014 8:01 PM
#26
chibishoujo said: Forgot to mention that in trinity blood the scythe has multiple forms https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PQPu06dMkpQ This one features your so called double sided scythe I guess that's counts as the first one I've seen. Although the design of it looks weird, at the first look at it, it looked like it has 4 blades that are the same length. But at a closer look, I realized it there was only 2 long blades. |
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Oct 17, 2014 8:12 PM
#27
TheCorruptedWolf said: chibishoujo said: Forgot to mention that in trinity blood the scythe has multiple forms https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PQPu06dMkpQ This one features your so called double sided scythe I guess that's counts as the first one I've seen. Although the design of it looks weird, at the first look at it, it looked like it has 4 blades that are the same length. But at a closer look, I realized it there was only 2 long blades. I think bleach might contain a character that also uses a double sided scythe,but Im not entirely sure ovo |
Oct 17, 2014 8:21 PM
#28
chibishoujo said: TheCorruptedWolf said: chibishoujo said: Forgot to mention that in trinity blood the scythe has multiple forms https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PQPu06dMkpQ This one features your so called double sided scythe I guess that's counts as the first one I've seen. Although the design of it looks weird, at the first look at it, it looked like it has 4 blades that are the same length. But at a closer look, I realized it there was only 2 long blades. I think bleach might contain a character that also uses a double sided scythe,but Im not entirely sure ovo I don't think bleach has any. |
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Oct 17, 2014 8:23 PM
#29
Nope Bleach doesn't, closest thing is Hisagi but it has 4 blades and he connects the ends with a Chain rather than a Pole. |
Oct 17, 2014 8:26 PM
#30
Why didn't anyone in japan thought of it? It could be an overpowered weapon! |
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Oct 17, 2014 8:28 PM
#31
I dunno. Personally Scythes are my favorite weapon so barely seeing them is disappointing :/ Glad one of my favorite games had a character with a Gun - Scythe though. |
Oct 17, 2014 8:31 PM
#32
xRatatosk said: I dunno. Personally Scythes are my favorite weapon so barely seeing them is disappointing :/ Glad one of my favorite games had a character with a Gun - Scythe though. I know, swords are overused in anime. |
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Oct 18, 2014 3:38 AM
#33
TheCorruptedWolf said: Why didn't anyone in japan thought of it? It could be an overpowered weapon! TheCorruptedWolf said: xRatatosk said: I dunno. Personally Scythes are my favorite weapon so barely seeing them is disappointing :/ Glad one of my favorite games had a character with a Gun - Scythe though. I know, swords are overused in anime. Because contrary to swords, double bladed scythe have no historical relevance, and would make for a very poor weapon if someone were to try using it? The only things close of scythes used in war were the war scythes. And even those were really tiring to use. Let's not talk about a double bladed one, which would to boot lose partially one of the only advantage of the war scythe, because you would need to hold it far closer of the blade for it to work like a bladed staff. |
Oct 18, 2014 4:41 PM
#34
Zefyris said: TheCorruptedWolf said: Why didn't anyone in japan thought of it? It could be an overpowered weapon! TheCorruptedWolf said: xRatatosk said: I dunno. Personally Scythes are my favorite weapon so barely seeing them is disappointing :/ Glad one of my favorite games had a character with a Gun - Scythe though. I know, swords are overused in anime. Because contrary to swords, double bladed scythe have no historical relevance, and would make for a very poor weapon if someone were to try using it? The only things close of scythes used in war were the war scythes. And even those were really tiring to use. Let's not talk about a double bladed one, which would to boot lose partially one of the only advantage of the war scythe, because you would need to hold it far closer of the blade for it to work like a bladed staff. Yes, so what if you have to hold it closer? It could attack faster and it is balanced. It could even probably block the one bladed scythe. |
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Oct 18, 2014 5:06 PM
#36
Paul said: Did someone say gunscythe? I meant Yeager from Tales of Vesperia lol. RWBY looks terrible though. |
Oct 18, 2014 5:17 PM
#37
TheCorruptedWolf said: Yes, so what if you have to hold it closer? It could attack faster and it is balanced. It could even probably block the one bladed scythe. It's too heavy. The main point of the war scythe is the lever principle, giving a lot of strength to the blade, allowing it to cut through armor better than a simple sword due to this. If you hold the weapon closer to the blade, you lose the only point of this weapon, to only leave bad things. If someone during the medieval period had tried to go to war with a double scythe, both his enemies and allies would have just laugh at him, and with good reason. It may look cool, sure. But that weapon is absurdly impracticable to use. Even the war scythe was a weapon only used by farmers and the like due to its downside. let's not talk about a double normal scythe. |
Oct 18, 2014 6:04 PM
#38
Zefyris said: TheCorruptedWolf said: Yes, so what if you have to hold it closer? It could attack faster and it is balanced. It could even probably block the one bladed scythe. It's too heavy. The main point of the war scythe is the lever principle, giving a lot of strength to the blade, allowing it to cut through armor better than a simple sword due to this. If you hold the weapon closer to the blade, you lose the only point of this weapon, to only leave bad things. If someone during the medieval period had tried to go to war with a double scythe, both his enemies and allies would have just laugh at him, and with good reason. It may look cool, sure. But that weapon is absurdly impracticable to use. Even the war scythe was a weapon only used by farmers and the like due to its downside. let's not talk about a double normal scythe. You are only talking and focusing on power, when it comes to speed, it isn't really a weapon that can beat it. In medieval, they mainly focus on defence and power, I mean, how often do you see someone without armour in the battlefield? Yes, I get it a normal scythe has it's own potentials, but can it really overpower the dual-bladed scythe? |
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Oct 18, 2014 6:25 PM
#39
Fate Stay Night: UBW, which is just airing, actually |
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Oct 18, 2014 9:33 PM
#40
Pain_is_love said: Fate Stay Night: UBW, which is just airing, actually Haha, I haven't even finished watching the first season on Fate/Stay night. I kinda stopped watching it. It's just a feeling that I want to watch it, but I don't want to watch it at the same time. I am actually Cantonese, which is a form of Chinese. |
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Oct 18, 2014 10:30 PM
#41
TheCorruptedWolf said: Why didn't anyone in japan thought of it? It could be an overpowered weapon! Its a very impractical weapon and is more restrictive compared to a regular scythe since it has blades at both sides. When TheCorruptedWolf said: Zefyris said: TheCorruptedWolf said: Yes, so what if you have to hold it closer? It could attack faster and it is balanced. It could even probably block the one bladed scythe. It's too heavy. The main point of the war scythe is the lever principle, giving a lot of strength to the blade, allowing it to cut through armor better than a simple sword due to this. If you hold the weapon closer to the blade, you lose the only point of this weapon, to only leave bad things. If someone during the medieval period had tried to go to war with a double scythe, both his enemies and allies would have just laugh at him, and with good reason. It may look cool, sure. But that weapon is absurdly impracticable to use. Even the war scythe was a weapon only used by farmers and the like due to its downside. let's not talk about a double normal scythe. You are only talking and focusing on power, when it comes to speed, it isn't really a weapon that can beat it. In medieval, they mainly focus on defence and power, I mean, how often do you see someone without armour in the battlefield? Yes, I get it a normal scythe has it's own potentials, but can it really overpower the dual-bladed scythe? This is not an RPG/fighting game. Realistically speaking this weapon would likely result in self injury.(People that actually used a scythe back in the day were the common folk most of the time) It having a blade on each side might balance the weapon out,but that wouldn't matter since the advantage of having a scythe is using it as leverage to inflict fatal injuries . One side being heavier then the other makes the hit have more force which is good for a scythe. if you want something that takes advantage of speed/mobility then a smaller weapon that doesn't make use of entire body to properly function. Fighting with a scythe would be similar to fighting with a halberd cause of its size The potentials of a dual bladed scythe are inferior to that of a regular scythe or alternative weapons that do utilise speed. |
Oct 18, 2014 10:34 PM
#42
chibishoujo said: This is not an RPG/fighting game. Realistically speaking this weapon would likely result in self injury.(People that actually used a scythe back in the day were the common folk most of the time) It having a blade on each side might balance the weapon out,but that wouldn't matter since the advantage of having a scythe is using it as leverage to inflict fatal injuries . One side being heavier then the other makes the hit have more force which is good for a scythe. if you want something that takes advantage of speed/mobility then a smaller weapon that doesn't make use of entire body to properly function. Fighting with a scythe would be similar to fighting with a halberd cause of its size The potentials of a dual bladed scythe are inferior to that of a regular scythe or alternative weapons that do utilise speed. Yes, I know this isn't an RPG game. Do you have any idea how to use the two-sided scythe? Yes, you could get injuries from it, but it won't be from the blade, you could twist your wrist if you do something wrong. Besides, this is an anime. |
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Oct 18, 2014 11:16 PM
#43
TheCorruptedWolf said: chibishoujo said: This is not an RPG/fighting game. Realistically speaking this weapon would likely result in self injury.(People that actually used a scythe back in the day were the common folk most of the time) It having a blade on each side might balance the weapon out,but that wouldn't matter since the advantage of having a scythe is using it as leverage to inflict fatal injuries . One side being heavier then the other makes the hit have more force which is good for a scythe. if you want something that takes advantage of speed/mobility then a smaller weapon that doesn't make use of entire body to properly function. Fighting with a scythe would be similar to fighting with a halberd cause of its size The potentials of a dual bladed scythe are inferior to that of a regular scythe or alternative weapons that do utilise speed. Yes, I know this isn't an RPG game. Do you have any idea how to use the two-sided scythe? Yes, you could get injuries from it, but it won't be from the blade, you could twist your wrist if you do something wrong. Besides, this is an anime. You'd have the second blade in your back before you twist your wrist. Its a silly conceptual weapon. |
Oct 18, 2014 11:49 PM
#44
chibishoujo said: TheCorruptedWolf said: chibishoujo said: This is not an RPG/fighting game. Realistically speaking this weapon would likely result in self injury.(People that actually used a scythe back in the day were the common folk most of the time) It having a blade on each side might balance the weapon out,but that wouldn't matter since the advantage of having a scythe is using it as leverage to inflict fatal injuries . One side being heavier then the other makes the hit have more force which is good for a scythe. if you want something that takes advantage of speed/mobility then a smaller weapon that doesn't make use of entire body to properly function. Fighting with a scythe would be similar to fighting with a halberd cause of its size The potentials of a dual bladed scythe are inferior to that of a regular scythe or alternative weapons that do utilise speed. Yes, I know this isn't an RPG game. Do you have any idea how to use the two-sided scythe? Yes, you could get injuries from it, but it won't be from the blade, you could twist your wrist if you do something wrong. Besides, this is an anime. You'd have the second blade in your back before you twist your wrist. Its a silly conceptual weapon. What do you mean? Could you re-word? |
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Oct 19, 2014 12:27 AM
#45
TheCorruptedWolf said: chibishoujo said: You'd have the second blade in your back before you twist your wrist. Its a silly conceptual weapon. What do you mean? Could you re-word? I assume what they mean is that since with a scythe you'd be striking outward to some extent, the other side may end up stabbing you in the back. Take this image for example. If I imagine another blade on the other side of the scythe, it would, or be dangerously close to, hitting the guy. Also, it seems fairly pointless to have another blade there. The scythe is already a fairly hard to handle weapon. Adding another blade would just be too much trouble to try and figure out how to use, and there are plenty of other much more practical weapons out there. The only real reason for using it would be Rule of Cool. But I guess if you really care to find some examples, there's some on the TVtropes page. http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SinisterScythe |
Oct 19, 2014 1:06 AM
#46
dream_eater1012 said: TheCorruptedWolf said: chibishoujo said: You'd have the second blade in your back before you twist your wrist. Its a silly conceptual weapon. What do you mean? Could you re-word? I assume what they mean is that since with a scythe you'd be striking outward to some extent, the other side may end up stabbing you in the back. Take this image for example. If I imagine another blade on the other side of the scythe, it would, or be dangerously close to, hitting the guy. Also, it seems fairly pointless to have another blade there. The scythe is already a fairly hard to handle weapon. Adding another blade would just be too much trouble to try and figure out how to use, and there are plenty of other much more practical weapons out there. The only real reason for using it would be Rule of Cool. But I guess if you really care to find some examples, there's some on the TVtropes page. http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SinisterScythe How many times do I have to say this, both are two different types of scythes, which means it is used in different ways. I mean who would be stupid enough to do that? |
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Oct 19, 2014 1:18 AM
#47
TheCorruptedWolf said: How many times do I have to say this, both are two different types of scythes, which means it is used in different ways. I mean who would be stupid enough to do that? Then how else would it be used? |
Oct 19, 2014 1:34 AM
#48
dream_eater1012 said: TheCorruptedWolf said: How many times do I have to say this, both are two different types of scythes, which means it is used in different ways. I mean who would be stupid enough to do that? Then how else would it be used? I don't even know how to explain. It's like just saying a gun and a sword works the same way, they are both weapons right? Because you are saying they are both scythes, so they must work the same. WRONG. |
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Oct 19, 2014 1:44 AM
#49
TheCorruptedWolf said: dream_eater1012 said: TheCorruptedWolf said: How many times do I have to say this, both are two different types of scythes, which means it is used in different ways. I mean who would be stupid enough to do that? Then how else would it be used? I don't even know how to explain. It's like just saying a gun and a sword works the same way, they are both weapons right? Because you are saying they are both scythes, so they must work the same. WRONG. If you can't even explain how it would work, then why should I believe that you're right? Saying it's different but then not explaining how it's different isn't going to make me say, "oh, I get you now." If they work differently, I would genuinely like to know how. |
Oct 19, 2014 1:49 AM
#50
TheCorruptedWolf said: Zefyris said: TheCorruptedWolf said: Yes, so what if you have to hold it closer? It could attack faster and it is balanced. It could even probably block the one bladed scythe. It's too heavy. The main point of the war scythe is the lever principle, giving a lot of strength to the blade, allowing it to cut through armor better than a simple sword due to this. If you hold the weapon closer to the blade, you lose the only point of this weapon, to only leave bad things. If someone during the medieval period had tried to go to war with a double scythe, both his enemies and allies would have just laugh at him, and with good reason. It may look cool, sure. But that weapon is absurdly impracticable to use. Even the war scythe was a weapon only used by farmers and the like due to its downside. let's not talk about a double normal scythe. You are only talking and focusing on power, when it comes to speed, it isn't really a weapon that can beat it. In medieval, they mainly focus on defence and power, I mean, how often do you see someone without armour in the battlefield? Yes, I get it a normal scythe has it's own potentials, but can it really overpower the dual-bladed scythe? a normal scythe doesn't have war potential. The war scythe have the direction of the blade changed by around 90° so that they can turn into properly usable hast weapons. the double scythe you're talking about doesn't even have that first step done. at least make it double war scythe, this would be less ridiculous, and closer to a blade staff with double blade. Also, fastest weapon? Even without accounting the fact that anyone would be tired of using such an heavy and bad balance (because yes, it's symmetrical, but the way the blade are put (not in the axe of the pole weapon) make it very unbalanced) that you wouldn't even finish your first fight, let alone last a whole battle by rotating this heavy weight around, how can this even hope to beat the speed of a Bô for example which will be used the exact same way but is far lighter ? And like I said, that thing is far too heavy to actually gain any decent speed. Any light weapon on the other side will kill the wielder of such a weapon before you can even start to properly attack. That, and what chibishoujo said. He explained the leverage (I thought it was lever principle in english, *sigh*) better than me. That's why you lose any interest of using a scythe if your two hands are closer of the heavy blade. a war scythe is a proper pole weapon (although rudimentary, and the fact that the blade is curved still give it a bad balance even after it has been redirected by 90°, so an halberd would give a better result for example), but a double scythe is no longer one. And yeah, that second curved blade in your back sounds dangerous. It would limit severely your movements in order to avoid injuring yourself when you swing it, making it even more tiring to manipulate than just the heavy weight alone. |
ZefyrisOct 19, 2014 1:59 AM
Oct 19, 2014 2:12 AM
#51
Zefyris said: TheCorruptedWolf said: Zefyris said: TheCorruptedWolf said: Yes, so what if you have to hold it closer? It could attack faster and it is balanced. It could even probably block the one bladed scythe. It's too heavy. The main point of the war scythe is the lever principle, giving a lot of strength to the blade, allowing it to cut through armor better than a simple sword due to this. If you hold the weapon closer to the blade, you lose the only point of this weapon, to only leave bad things. If someone during the medieval period had tried to go to war with a double scythe, both his enemies and allies would have just laugh at him, and with good reason. It may look cool, sure. But that weapon is absurdly impracticable to use. Even the war scythe was a weapon only used by farmers and the like due to its downside. let's not talk about a double normal scythe. You are only talking and focusing on power, when it comes to speed, it isn't really a weapon that can beat it. In medieval, they mainly focus on defence and power, I mean, how often do you see someone without armour in the battlefield? Yes, I get it a normal scythe has it's own potentials, but can it really overpower the dual-bladed scythe? a normal scythe doesn't have war potential. The war scythe have the direction of the blade changed by around 90° so that they can turn into properly usable hast weapons. the double scythe you're talking about doesn't even have that first step done. at least make it double war scythe, this would be less ridiculous, and closer to a blade staff with double blade. Also, fastest weapon? Even without accounting the fact that anyone would be tired of using such an heavy and bad balance (because yes, it's symmetrical, but the way the blade are put (not in the axe of the pole weapon) make it very unbalanced) that you wouldn't even finish your first fight, let alone last a whole battle by rotating this heavy weight around, how can this even hope to beat the speed of a Bô for example which will be used the exact same way but is far lighter ? And like I said, that thing is far too heavy to actually gain any decent speed. Any light weapon on the other side will kill the wielder of such a weapon before you can even start to properly attack. That, and what chibishoujo said. He explained the leverage (I thought it was lever principle in english, *sigh*) better than me. That's why you lose any interest of using a scythe if your two hands are closer of the heavy blade. a war scythe is a proper pole weapon (although rudimentary, and the fact that the blade is curved still give it a bad balance even after it has been redirected by 90°, so an halberd would give a better result for example), but a double scythe is no longer one. And yeah, that second curved blade in your back sounds dangerous. It would limit severely your movements in order to avoid injuring yourself when you swing it, making it even more tiring to manipulate than just the heavy weight alone. The double-sided scythe blades are longer than a farming scythe but it could be same length or a bit shorter than the war scythe. I don't like war scythes because the blades are too curved, the sharp part would just be hiding behind the blunt part. |
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Oct 19, 2014 2:13 AM
#52
dream_eater1012 said: TheCorruptedWolf said: dream_eater1012 said: TheCorruptedWolf said: How many times do I have to say this, both are two different types of scythes, which means it is used in different ways. I mean who would be stupid enough to do that? Then how else would it be used? I don't even know how to explain. It's like just saying a gun and a sword works the same way, they are both weapons right? Because you are saying they are both scythes, so they must work the same. WRONG. If you can't even explain how it would work, then why should I believe that you're right? Saying it's different but then not explaining how it's different isn't going to make me say, "oh, I get you now." If they work differently, I would genuinely like to know how. I wish I could draw and animate to demonstrate how it works. I just hope they make an anime about it soon though. |
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Oct 19, 2014 2:36 AM
#53
TheCorruptedWolf said: I wish I could draw and animate to demonstrate how it works. I just hope they make an anime about it soon though. It's also possible to explain with words. TheCorruptedWolf said: The double-sided scythe blades are longer than a farming scythe but it could be same length or a bit shorter than the war scythe. I don't like war scythes because the blades are too curved, the sharp part would just be hiding behind the blunt part. And this doesn't really make sense, since war scythes are the ones that actually got some practical use. Yet here it seems you're saying that the usual scythe is better than the war scythe when it comes to fighting. |
Oct 19, 2014 3:07 AM
#54
dream_eater1012 said: TheCorruptedWolf said: I wish I could draw and animate to demonstrate how it works. I just hope they make an anime about it soon though. It's also possible to explain with words. TheCorruptedWolf said: The double-sided scythe blades are longer than a farming scythe but it could be same length or a bit shorter than the war scythe. I don't like war scythes because the blades are too curved, the sharp part would just be hiding behind the blunt part. And this doesn't really make sense, since war scythes are the ones that actually got some practical use. Yet here it seems you're saying that the usual scythe is better than the war scythe when it comes to fighting. I never said that usual scythes are better, I am just saying that the war scythe blade is too curved. I just don't like it. |
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Oct 25, 2014 1:19 AM
#55
After a lot of google and youtube searching for a good way to show you how it works. This is the ONLY one I found, I tried to find a better one but there aren't any. Just to let you know, this isn't exactly how it works, but it is very close. Maybe without the blade coming apart and yeah... http://fordz-anims.deviantart.com/art/Dual-Bladed-Scythe-Nemesis-BYE-Tribute-Entry-403835785 I tried to keep this thread inactive, I didn't really want to argue with anyone, but I REALLY wanted to prove my point. So please! Don't start another argument or debate. |
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Oct 25, 2014 1:48 AM
#56
It's not a good anime at all(everything about the anime screams either bad execution or bad choice), but It's the only anime I can think of atm, that has such a weapon in it. Soul Eater |
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Oct 25, 2014 1:49 AM
#57
Zoltor said: It's not a good anime at all(everything about the anime screams either bad execution or bad choice), but It's the only anime I can think of atm, that has such a weapon in it. Soul Eater Lmfao. And it was mentioned already. |
xDarkraiOct 25, 2014 1:52 AM
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