Gruffin said: 🐭 Vote Count 2.7 🐭 Grapefruit21 (3) followind, Logic340, Shinichi-Kun Logic340 (2) Grrr, Grapefruit21 followind (1) DenjaX Not Voting Crossbell, RE1031, Lam-B, amberwillow, PentaFlare 🐭 Vote History 🐭 Mod notes: What's a cat's favourite colour? Purrrrple. :3c 🕒 Countdown to Night 2 🕒 This is not an acceptable vote count 10 hours before the deadline. I want everyone's thoughts on the top two wagons: me and logic. If you have any questions about my case just shoot. I want everyone to have a will and won't lynch pool. Mine is: won't lynch: Lam, Shinichi, and Cross. Prefer a lynch on logic, grrr, RE1031, or followind. The first two are my strongest scum reads. The latter two have been somewhat scummy at various points and aren't contributing enough that I'll mourn their loss if town. preferences are as follows logic>>>grrr>>>>>>>RE/followind @followind @Crossbell @logic340 @grrr @RE1031 @Lam-b @Pentaflare @amberwillow @Shinichi-kun @DenjaX |
PentaFlare said: In the beginning I voted RE, cuz her post that I pointed made me curious and seeing that she didn't post much, I wanted to see what she would say.@amberwillow Can you give me a quick summary of your votes on day one and your reasoning for each? Unvoted her when she explained me her behviour. She looked honest about it and I didn't have anything else that would bother me about that matter. Later in game I chose between CP and Grape. I payed some more attention on how they behaved. For Grape it would make sense if especially at the beginning of the game he wouldn't act like he normally does and from time to time would overreact (cuz how it was clarified he has never been mafia before). But I decided to choose CP because his posts looked very calm to me. Like when he replied to your wall text, I thought that he was trying to write as calm as possible as to not look like he was knocked out of the rail, and I thought that might be just how an experienced mafioso would choose to react. I was also thinking about Claire and Rosei as they both looked bit suspicious. But for Claire I thought that if she is townie then later in game she would make it clear somehow. And Rosie appeared strange but she didn't contribute much to the game then. However, I was willing to listen to Cross's opinion especially about Claire as he might have seen something I hadn't noticed, but to my disappointment, he didn't write much and these 1-2 sentences weren't enough to convince me vote her. But then Grape seemed to be shaken by Cross's opinion about Rosie and voted her and then Cross followed him creating a tie what didn't look good. Rosie didn't look to me like the best candidate but still a candidate, so I didn't oppose it. |
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logic340 said: Just so u know, I wrote my vote on her, then scrolled back to see what he wrote and replied to his point and said that her believing in Cross might come from his reputation.PentaFlare said: Slight town read early but weary due to her picking out little things to dig into people about. Starting to think that she's likely town and I am the one being nitpicky in my interactions with her. Trusting Crossbell's rep to vote Rosie is the one of the things that stands out to me though since she was mulling CP and Grape all day. The other would be her reaction to being part of Crossbell's Rosie train suspect list. I feel town but I worry about a pocket based on liking my interactions with willow. Would also like other's opinions.@logic340 Can you summarize your read on amber in a few sentences for me? @amberwillow Can you give me a quick summary of your votes on day one and your reasoning for each? |
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Grapefruit21 said: Shinichi-Kun said: thats the thing u sheeped it pretty hard even dont logic told u it could be fake and u tried to argue with him. Not that she lied it looks really bad for u man. I think claire is town and ur scum atleast for now. Well i should say denja Why just me? I'm not the only one who ran with it? I personally think its a good look and part of why I'm town reading Cross (for doing the same thing). Ya but it was mostly you that sheeped it from what ive been reading. Also hypothetically lets say she claimed this at the last minute then i would understand the insta vote change, but to instantly agree with claire when there was still like 36 hours left was just weird. |
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amberwillow said: logic340 said: This is slightly wrong. The main reason I voted Rosie was because I saw a tie (u just voted few seconds before me) and I myself had some suspicions about her, u can clearly see that I questioned her too.Grrr came through and said CP was town for the 12345 post somewhere Crossbell catches up and votes for Claire with me Grapefruit keep pushing Purity's lynch moving his case to the recent page #708 Grapefruit calls for people to join a main wagon or make a case for their vote. Says Rosie not voting is unacceptable. willow finally votes Purity after mulling over CP and Grape Grape jumps to Rosie due to her top 3 town being weird Cross jumps to Rosie I see a tie between CP and Rosie, I vote Rosie to break tie Willow votes Rosie might have to trust cross reputation Cross begs Rosie to claim grrr pitches Claire as an alternative votes Rosie Phase ended in Rosies death. Hope this helps you some What supicions because she flipped a powerful role |
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| Just woke up nice to see we got some activity in back reading I'll share my thoughts shortly. amberwillow said: Sorry I misread that..I thought you voted because you trusted Cross's Rep now I realize that was you talking about Rosie's possible reasoning. I apologize for making that mistake.logic340 said: Just so u know, I wrote my vote on her, then scrolled back to see what he wrote and replied to his point and said that her believing in Cross might come from his reputation.Slight town read early but weary due to her picking out little things to dig into people about. Starting to think that she's likely town and I am the one being nitpicky in my interactions with her. Trusting Crossbell's rep to vote Rosie is the one of the things that stands out to me though since she was mulling CP and Grape all day. The other would be her reaction to being part of Crossbell's Rosie train suspect list. I feel town but I worry about a pocket based on liking my interactions with willow. Would also like other's opinions. |
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| Beginning of a phase is the normal time to claim a night action? It's at it's most believable at the beginning of a phase? @Shinichi-kun I know you are still playing catch up but does logics focus on things like my warning or the saltiness argument not feel a lot like Alcatraz logic? |
Grapefruit21 said: I wouldn't say that most of his cases were built on emotional basis tho?Nobody else wants to comment on logic dismissing my use of emotion when that's what the majority of his D1 cases were built on? Or the fact that he's clearly not reading my posts when he says I've given no behavioral evidence for my Cross read (emotional outweighs it, but it's there)? Or that he's still not reading my posts when he thinks I'm still calling followind scum (also any answer on if followind would be bold enough to scum read sollux for acting like him would be appreciated)? As for my Cross read, it's not set in stone but presuming Cross actually starts playing I'm likely to continue town reading him. From his scum games I've read he's not the sort to heavily ham up those parts of the game. Also as has been pointed out Lam-b has done jack all of late and I was leaning too much on that early good impression. Dunno, man, when u looked for Cross' posts that show his towniness it was only emotional posts that as both Logic and Shin pointed can be faked. The later post (that was posted after this one) is more of a reason (1540) Nothing else has stuck in my mind besides u telling that he looked helpful and u believe that u can read Cross. I don't like that you say u'll read his play only when he catches up. |
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followind said: I can see why yesterday one wouldn't see my posts, cuz I was away but when I am on I post enough I'd say :| Follow, do u read all the thread? Or just skim?- I think Penta was trying to get reactions but I feel like he's hinting so I feel it's a gambit.. -Sollux, RE, Amber I don't see them post a lot but it might be caused of the sea of posts that keep coming from you,claire, grape, penta and CP on D1 -I don't think you two are aligned, I said it hypothetically.. Also it's my personal opinion, people have different mind set and I can't say that everyone would do it |
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Shinichi-Kun said: I am working from 9 to 2 today I will be on sporadically throughout the day as work allows.Btw i work from 9-3 So ill be back online 2 hours from phase change so lets not do anything to crazy while im gone. |
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Grapefruit21 said: Beginning of a phase is the normal time to claim a night action? It's at it's most believable at the beginning of a phase? @Shinichi-kun I know you are still playing catch up but does logics focus on things like my warning or the saltiness argument not feel a lot like Alcatraz logic? even if it does what does that have to do with his alignment this game? |
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amberwillow said: I've read themfollowind said: I can see why yesterday one wouldn't see my posts, cuz I was away but when I am on I post enough I'd say :| Follow, do u read all the thread? Or just skim?- I think Penta was trying to get reactions but I feel like he's hinting so I feel it's a gambit.. -Sollux, RE, Amber I don't see them post a lot but it might be caused of the sea of posts that keep coming from you,claire, grape, penta and CP on D1 -I don't think you two are aligned, I said it hypothetically.. Also it's my personal opinion, people have different mind set and I can't say that everyone would do it But you just don't make a big impact in my mind |
logic340 said: No worries.Sorry I misread that..I thought you voted because you trusted Cross's Rep now I realize that was you talking about Rosie's possible reasoning. I apologize for making that mistake. </3 I see. |
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| There is no way i will remove my vote from logic at this point. But there are other suspicius people, (like everyone who is scared to place a vote, so i would rather if the second lynch target us someone from the non voters, with the exception of penta).and especially not someone that logic suggested. Have in mind that if we have 4 mafia today is lylo. Though i belive for that setup 2-3 mafia makes the most sense which mean we have the right of at least one more mistake, but i wouldnt want to do that mistake on logic's suggested player. |
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amberwillow said: PentaFlare said: In the beginning I voted RE, cuz her post that I pointed made me curious and seeing that she didn't post much, I wanted to see what she would say.@amberwillow Can you give me a quick summary of your votes on day one and your reasoning for each? Unvoted her when she explained me her behviour. She looked honest about it and I didn't have anything else that would bother me about that matter. Later in game I chose between CP and Grape. I payed some more attention on how they behaved. For Grape it would make sense if especially at the beginning of the game he wouldn't act like he normally does and from time to time would overreact (cuz how it was clarified he has never been mafia before). But I decided to choose CP because his posts looked very calm to me. Like when he replied to your wall text, I thought that he was trying to write as calm as possible as to not look like he was knocked out of the rail, and I thought that might be just how an experienced mafioso would choose to react. I was also thinking about Claire and Rosei as they both looked bit suspicious. But for Claire I thought that if she is townie then later in game she would make it clear somehow. And Rosie appeared strange but she didn't contribute much to the game then. However, I was willing to listen to Cross's opinion especially about Claire as he might have seen something I hadn't noticed, but to my disappointment, he didn't write much and these 1-2 sentences weren't enough to convince me vote her. But then Grape seemed to be shaken by Cross's opinion about Rosie and voted her and then Cross followed him creating a tie what didn't look good. Rosie didn't look to me like the best candidate but still a candidate, so I didn't oppose it. So your vote on Rosie was breaking a tie in favour of someone that didn't seem like a bad lynch? If you had your way, would Purity have been lynched instead? |
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PentaFlare said: What are u getting at? U mean in favour of Purity? If it was someone other than the 4 I had mentioned before phase change then I wouldn't have joined.So your vote on Rosie was breaking a tie in favour of someone that didn't seem like a bad lynch? If you had your way, would Purity have been lynched instead? |
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| Won't Lynch: Shinichi-kun Crossbell amberwillow Will Lynch: DenjaX logic Grapefruit Grapefruit21 said: Prefer a lynch on logic, grrr, RE1031, or followind. The first two are my strongest scum reads. The latter two have been somewhat scummy at various points and aren't contributing enough that I'll mourn their loss if town. preferences are as follows logic>>>grrr>>>>>>>RE/followind You know, your logic for voting who to lynch is pretty flawed. Lam-B has not contributed at all this phase. This screams repeat of what happened between Claire and Penta, where you didn't even bother questioning Claire and preferred to wait for a counterclaim. If we were to vote all the time for people who were less contributive over people making claims left and right, where would we be? Also, I'd argue that I contributed plenty in the early stages of Day 2. But there is actually nothing to go on about now. Your main suspect is logic, and I don't suspect logic. Do you think scum would keep coming back after people have told them that they are letting emotions get in the way of the game? That after one player drops out because of this emotion, they would continue to do the same thing except on other people? Unlikely. Now about me voting for DenjaX, my reasoning is still Claire. You say her claiming a PR is her townie game? Why? Because it happened in Alcatraz, a game that ended very, very recently? Did it occur to anyone that she would do this intentionally? Perhaps it's because I wasn't there to see it first hand, but I have much trouble calling that fake claim "town game." As for Grapefruit and Logic, I don't necessarily believe they are mafia. But I am much more willing to lynch them then say a less active player because that will literally tell us nothing, unless by some miracle they are scum. |
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Grapefruit21 said: yeah you and Claire thought that CP was acting the same as in his previous games as well. How well did using that reasoning work out for figuring out his alignment here?Beginning of a phase is the normal time to claim a night action? It's at it's most believable at the beginning of a phase? @Shinichi-kun I know you are still playing catch up but does logics focus on things like my warning or the saltiness argument not feel a lot like Alcatraz logic? |
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PentaFlare said: it was town behavior because I felt Claire was lying. When I flip town I hope you all give me my due credit this game. When I flip town will you be going at grapefruit? What is your plan when I flip town?Vote: logic340 This is the lynch I am most comfortable with. I'm nowhere near confident in grapefruit being town, but I've seen more out of grapefruit that seems town motivated than from logic. I want to lynch one of these two this phase because they have been so heavily involved in every main discussion this game. logic's rhetoric this game has been bothering me. A lot of their focus has been on small details, many of which were NAI (like Ra's misinterpretation of logic's question to willow), which has created an image of someone pursuing scumreads without needing to support the scumread, just simply by picking on details instead. Additionally, they were too quick to jump to my defense against Claire. Although they were scumreading Claire, they had said I hadn't done anything outside the bounds of my scum game to that point. I felt the same way. I would read myself as neutral if I was being objective so logic lacked the caution I was expecting. Not even a backread focused on me before throwing themself at Claire. I can't see that as town behaviour. Town should have taken advantage of the time left to look into both possibilities. They could have been trying to pocket me or just been convinced in their course of action because they already knew the alignments of both players. Either way, not townie. |
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| So I'll just leave this here. vote: DenjaX Right now, scummy ranking goes: DenjaX>>>>>>>Grapefruit>Logic; Penta somewhere in the mix |
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grrr said: I'm going to hold you to your word and next time list of players you can't read comes out I better be at the bottom.There is no way i will remove my vote from logic at this point. But there are other suspicius people, (like everyone who is scared to place a vote, so i would rather if the second lynch target us someone from the non voters, with the exception of penta).and especially not someone that logic suggested. Have in mind that if we have 4 mafia today is lylo. Though i belive for that setup 2-3 mafia makes the most sense which mean we have the right of at least one more mistake, but i wouldnt want to do that mistake on logic's suggested player. |
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Grapefruit21 said: based on CPS games with you I can see where he was coming from. And no your warning doesn't feel anything like Haruhi, fairy tail, and I didn't play LQ with you. Not liking or trusting your self meta as I started D1. I tried to get clear an answer me on the matter and she wouldn't give me a clear answer on either you or CP.CorruptedPurity said: Honestly never liked the idea of RVS. Besides, others will do the poking, I can analyse from that, I also have a policy of not voting unless I can support it with good evidence. Check out my other recent games... Regarding Grape, I have played 2 games with him and both games gave me a snowball-y feel. Firstly, The Twins Mafia. He didn't do anything of importance of the first day, but on the second day, he started tunneling on RE like nobody's business and went full ham. He exploded more on posts but he got lynched cause he just seemed scummy due to the way he tunneled. Secondly and more recently, the Alcatraz mafia, still ongoing btw so you can check it out. The first day people are lynching our beautiful host Kit for no reason, he didn't seem to be too bothered. The entire first day he had no impact or presence, he was almost a null-factor. Come day 2, he tunneled crazy into Suzune for mechanical difference in views (basically how miller claim should be treated). He again exploded alot with suzu on day 2. On day 3, he started tunneling onto Logic instead when suzu died. He gave long detailed posts about him and a few of his other scum-reads. Come day 4, he literally analysed every player and their potential to be scum. He even created a scenario where every town-read is secretly scum. Then he went back to tunneling on logic but he also did in-depth analysis of alot of other players again for every post they made. So when he started today with a strong stage presence, I wondered why. Why would anyone want stage presence when they usually don't? Maybe so it's easier to manipulate and pocket others? So that their points seem more valid and can be heard better? Also, I've heard alot about you Crossbell, it's an honor playing with you. Have a good game! Logic this is the meta read you keep coming back to. You know from Harhui, FT, and FF that I start fast. The warning post itself was out of character, but I am not afraid to get into the mix from D1. For a recent example see LQ (which is why my twins activity was so crap. Hardly read it because I was going crazy in my other game. So let's go to a world where you and I are both town. Who is the scum playing us against one another? Or are they staying out of it? |
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| @Grapefruit21 You put a lot of stock in mindmelding with players. Have you ever had a mindmeld with mafia? Or does it only ever happen with town? As Shinichi pointed out to me earlier just because someone thinks the same thing you do doesn't automatically make them town. |
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RE1031 said: I have to ask why is Crossbell in your list of people you wont be lynching today? At this point how are you more comfortable with a Penta lynch than a Crossbell lynch when Crossbell's D2 has primarily been "I'm catching up"?Won't Lynch: Shinichi-kun Crossbell amberwillow Will Lynch: DenjaX logic Grapefruit Grapefruit21 said: Prefer a lynch on logic, grrr, RE1031, or followind. The first two are my strongest scum reads. The latter two have been somewhat scummy at various points and aren't contributing enough that I'll mourn their loss if town. preferences are as follows logic>>>grrr>>>>>>>RE/followind You know, your logic for voting who to lynch is pretty flawed. Lam-B has not contributed at all this phase. This screams repeat of what happened between Claire and Penta, where you didn't even bother questioning Claire and preferred to wait for a counterclaim. If we were to vote all the time for people who were less contributive over people making claims left and right, where would we be? Also, I'd argue that I contributed plenty in the early stages of Day 2. But there is actually nothing to go on about now. Your main suspect is logic, and I don't suspect logic. Do you think scum would keep coming back after people have told them that they are letting emotions get in the way of the game? That after one player drops out because of this emotion, they would continue to do the same thing except on other people? Unlikely. Now about me voting for DenjaX, my reasoning is still Claire. You say her claiming a PR is her townie game? Why? Because it happened in Alcatraz, a game that ended very, very recently? Did it occur to anyone that she would do this intentionally? Perhaps it's because I wasn't there to see it first hand, but I have much trouble calling that fake claim "town game." As for Grapefruit and Logic, I don't necessarily believe they are mafia. But I am much more willing to lynch them then say a less active player because that will literally tell us nothing, unless by some miracle they are scum. Do you believe that Grapefruit and I are scum together or do you think that the flip of one will prove something about the other. Do you think that Grapefruit and me could be T vs. T at this point? |
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PentaFlare said: Also I really wasn't defending you as much as I was condemning Claire but take that as you will. What are you thoughts on follow and Grapefruit interactions? Do you think it is legitimate suspicion or scum team soft-balling one another?Additionally, they were too quick to jump to my defense against Claire. Although they were scumreading Claire, they had said I hadn't done anything outside the bounds of my scum game to that point. I felt the same way. I would read myself as neutral if I was being objective so logic lacked the caution I was expecting. Not even a backread focused on me before throwing themself at Claire. I can't see that as town behaviour. Town should have taken advantage of the time left to look into both possibilities. They could have been trying to pocket me or just been convinced in their course of action because they already knew the alignments of both players. Either way, not townie. @Grapefruit21 you said you don't scum read follow anymore but he is part of your willing to lynch list can you reconcile this for me please? |
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PentaFlare said: Additionally, they were too quick to jump to my defense against Claire. Although they were scumreading Claire, they had said I hadn't done anything outside the bounds of my scum game to that point. I felt the same way. I would read myself as neutral if I was being objective so logic lacked the caution I was expecting. Not even a backread focused on me before throwing themself at Claire. I can't see that as town behaviour. Town should have taken advantage of the time left to look into both possibilities. They could have been trying to pocket me or just been convinced in their course of action because they already knew the alignments of both players. Either way, not townie. In response to this, I was essentially doing the same thing. At the point where Claire claimed, I didn't believe her. I slowly started to when hours passed and there was no counterclaim. But then she took back her claim, so in the end it really was a fake claim. I didn't consider the possibility of you being scum when Claire claimed because I didn't believe Claire's claim. What I saw was someone in a tight spot claiming in order to get out of it, or even possibly sacrifice herself to make the other members of mafia less suspicious. To me, at the time, you were just a random person Claire chose. Possibly with ulterior purpose in regards raising your status as a potential townie. And guess what - looked how well that turned out for you and DenjaClaire - neither of you are in the hot seat for today's lynch. |
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logic340 said: I have to ask why is Crossbell in your list of people you wont be lynching today? At this point how are you more comfortable with a Penta lynch than a Crossbell lynch when Crossbell's D2 has primarily been "I'm catching up"? Do you believe that Grapefruit and I are scum together or do you think that the flip of one will prove something about the other. Do you think that Grapefruit and me could be T vs. T at this point? I'm honestly not, but I'm more annoyed at the lack of contribution than wary of it being scum activity. I'm just a little more willing to see what he has to say when he catches up. If he catches up. Well I'll say pretty much every possibility regarding you and Grapefruit has crossed my mind. SvS is the unlikeliest, and TvS/SvT is likeliest. What annoys me especially and I would like explanation for it because it really doesn't make any sense is Grapefruit is willing to lynch me and followind and not Crossbell and Lam-b, with the explanation that we haven't contributed enough to be missed. LOL WAT. |
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RE1031 said: I really like this. You picked up on the fact that you aren't being scum read for doing the same thing I did. I felt the same way you did. My first response was Claire checking CP seems right and Penta's NKA post could be truth in plain sight. Then I though about it and didn't feel like the timing was right, then Claire said she check Penta and not CP which put even more doubt on her since Penta was a D1 town read. Then she said she lied about town reading Penta, all the while Penta's reactions seemed like a townie response. Could Claire Penta be a team? I have trouble seeing it but the idea you put forward has merit. PentaFlare said: Additionally, they were too quick to jump to my defense against Claire. Although they were scumreading Claire, they had said I hadn't done anything outside the bounds of my scum game to that point. I felt the same way. I would read myself as neutral if I was being objective so logic lacked the caution I was expecting. Not even a backread focused on me before throwing themself at Claire. I can't see that as town behaviour. Town should have taken advantage of the time left to look into both possibilities. They could have been trying to pocket me or just been convinced in their course of action because they already knew the alignments of both players. Either way, not townie. In response to this, I was essentially doing the same thing. At the point where Claire claimed, I didn't believe her. I slowly started to when hours passed and there was no counterclaim. But then she took back her claim, so in the end it really was a fake claim. I didn't consider the possibility of you being scum when Claire claimed because I didn't believe Claire's claim. What I saw was someone in a tight spot claiming in order to get out of it, or even possibly sacrifice herself to make the other members of mafia less suspicious. To me, at the time, you were just a random person Claire chose. Possibly with ulterior purpose in regards raising your status as a potential townie. And guess what - looked how well that turned out for you and DenjaClaire - neither of you are in the hot seat for today's lynch. I also find it interesting that Grapefruit says anyone who doesn't believe Claire should be voting for her but I am condemned for voting Claire (I didn't believe her) because I must have inside information? |
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logic340 said: Didn't he said smth like "nvm" after that?Still haven't had everyone weigh in on the Gladiator Duel To this point I believe only DenjaX. follow, RE, and myself have given our take on it. |
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amberwillow said: PentaFlare said: What are u getting at? U mean in favour of Purity? If it was someone other than the 4 I had mentioned before phase change then I wouldn't have joined.So your vote on Rosie was breaking a tie in favour of someone that didn't seem like a bad lynch? If you had your way, would Purity have been lynched instead? What I'm trying to say is that you voted for rosie because you were at least a little suspicious of her and wanted to break the tie. The question I'm asking is that if nobody else was voting and you had the only vote, would you have picked Purity instead? |
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| vote: Grapefruit If Grape would flip town then I want to go after Logic and then after Follow. I can imagine Grape, Follow and another specific someone being in the same scum team. But I can't imagine Grape and Logic being in one team. Gonna be back in few h. |
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RE1031 said: Yup his town list is as flimsy as Rosie's which is funny because her town list ended up being the reason he voted for her. I don't like his reads at all. I am town and I am his only scum read. He also said he doesn't currently scum read follow anymoore yet he is willing to lynch him today? That doesn't seem right but ok...logic340 said: I have to ask why is Crossbell in your list of people you wont be lynching today? At this point how are you more comfortable with a Penta lynch than a Crossbell lynch when Crossbell's D2 has primarily been "I'm catching up"? Do you believe that Grapefruit and I are scum together or do you think that the flip of one will prove something about the other. Do you think that Grapefruit and me could be T vs. T at this point? I'm honestly not, but I'm more annoyed at the lack of contribution than wary of it being scum activity. I'm just a little more willing to see what he has to say when he catches up. If he catches up. Well I'll say pretty much every possibility regarding you and Grapefruit has crossed my mind. SvS is the unlikeliest, and TvS/SvT is likeliest. What annoys me especially and I would like explanation for it because it really doesn't make any sense is Grapefruit is willing to lynch me and followind and not Crossbell and Lam-b, with the explanation that we haven't contributed enough to be missed. LOL WAT. |
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amberwillow said: Was he serious about it though this is Denja we are talking about. Also even if he doesn't go through with it seeing how people respond to it gives us more information. Who is willing to put their life on the line and who isn't? For me the mafia would be less inclined to take this challenge but what do I know?logic340 said: Didn't he said smth like "nvm" after that?Still haven't had everyone weigh in on the Gladiator Duel To this point I believe only DenjaX. follow, RE, and myself have given our take on it. |
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PentaFlare said: U mean if it was a tie between Purity and Rosie and I had the deciding vote? I would have chosen Purity then. At that time he looked more scummish than Rosie.amberwillow said: What are u getting at? U mean in favour of Purity? If it was someone other than the 4 I had mentioned before phase change then I wouldn't have joined. What I'm trying to say is that you voted for rosie because you were at least a little suspicious of her and wanted to break the tie. The question I'm asking is that if nobody else was voting and you had the only vote, would you have picked Purity instead? |
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RE1031 said: PentaFlare said: Additionally, they were too quick to jump to my defense against Claire. Although they were scumreading Claire, they had said I hadn't done anything outside the bounds of my scum game to that point. I felt the same way. I would read myself as neutral if I was being objective so logic lacked the caution I was expecting. Not even a backread focused on me before throwing themself at Claire. I can't see that as town behaviour. Town should have taken advantage of the time left to look into both possibilities. They could have been trying to pocket me or just been convinced in their course of action because they already knew the alignments of both players. Either way, not townie. In response to this, I was essentially doing the same thing. At the point where Claire claimed, I didn't believe her. I slowly started to when hours passed and there was no counterclaim. But then she took back her claim, so in the end it really was a fake claim. I didn't consider the possibility of you being scum when Claire claimed because I didn't believe Claire's claim. What I saw was someone in a tight spot claiming in order to get out of it, or even possibly sacrifice herself to make the other members of mafia less suspicious. To me, at the time, you were just a random person Claire chose. Possibly with ulterior purpose in regards raising your status as a potential townie. And guess what - looked how well that turned out for you and DenjaClaire - neither of you are in the hot seat for today's lynch. Yeah, I'm well aware of this. The difference in my mind though is that logic has been zeroing in on details this whole game, often ignoring evidence to the contrary or more important points. (For example, logic kept dismissing the Purity case by saying it was salt while mentioning me, despite the fact that my case obviously couldn't have been salt, but yet not trying to change my mind about my scumread on Purity.) You've kept an open mind this game. For me, your two responses to the dichotomy felt very different for this reason. For you, it felt like you focusing on a scumread. For logic, it felt like another case of tunneling on one thing and ignoring the other things that contribute to the situation. It is all about precedent. |
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logic340 said: Well first off, I need to understand clearly what he meant.amberwillow said: Was he serious about it though this is Denja we are talking about. Also even if he doesn't go through with it seeing how people respond to it gives us more information. Who is willing to put their life on the line and who isn't? For me the mafia would be less inclined to take this challenge but what do I know?Didn't he said smth like "nvm" after that? Like we would have to vote between him and another suspicious person and if Denja dies flipping town then we would have to pursue his suspects? Do I get it right? Well it depends on who is that other person. If that other person is someone I am suspicious of then sure. But if not then I don't want that, cuz rn I don't want to vote Denja and I don't want to vote someone who looks townish to me. Also if Denja would flip town then ofc I'd take into account his suspects and if I am convinced that they are baddie then I'd vote them. |
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logic340 said: Not willing to lynch: RE1031, willow, Penta Might could be convinced (but you are going to need an amazing case): grrr, Lam-B, Crossbell, Shinichi Willing to lynch: Grapefruit, followind, DenjaX (though willing to resolve this later) Still haven't had everyone weigh in on the Gladiator Duel To this point I believe only DenjaX. follow, RE, and myself have given our take on it. You are forgetting me |
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amberwillow said: vote: Grapefruit If Grape would flip town then I want to go after Logic and then after Follow. I can imagine Grape, Follow and another specific someone being in the same scum team. But I can't imagine Grape and Logic being in one team. Gonna be back in few h. Can you think of possible teammates for logic? Even if grape would be likely town, there are probably other people who could be teammates for logic. Or is it simply that you can't imagine teammates for logic so you think they're town? |
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| I do not want to lynch logic and Grape today. They are cop target at most. They are useful to me so for practicality sake, I am not lynching either of them. @PentaFlare are you even sure about your vote? There are still questionable people in the roster and you want to get rid of potential analysis juggernaut in the game? I was actually supposed to go after Sollux but he rep out unfortunately. Shinichi seems to be jumping in the ocean without knowing the hazards. Possible helped by scumteam but ill not go after him for that. |
| Is there anyone who thinks that Grapefruit and I could be Town/Town? If we are in a T/T lynch leader situation then what do you think the scum are doing right now? I need an updated VC, but things are pretty divided and if Grape flips town then things are really messed up right now from my PoV. I want people's opinion on Crossbell this game. |
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PentaFlare said: Salt wasn't the only reason I dismissed that case. I asked Claire to clear up the Meta differnces between Purity and Grape and she refused to do so. Meta is her forte and I found it odd that the little bit she did give didn't match what I was seeing. This is a big part of why I scum read her because she shied away from her forte and put forth what I believe was a false read on Purity.RE1031 said: In response to this, I was essentially doing the same thing. At the point where Claire claimed, I didn't believe her. I slowly started to when hours passed and there was no counterclaim. But then she took back her claim, so in the end it really was a fake claim. I didn't consider the possibility of you being scum when Claire claimed because I didn't believe Claire's claim. What I saw was someone in a tight spot claiming in order to get out of it, or even possibly sacrifice herself to make the other members of mafia less suspicious. To me, at the time, you were just a random person Claire chose. Possibly with ulterior purpose in regards raising your status as a potential townie. And guess what - looked how well that turned out for you and DenjaClaire - neither of you are in the hot seat for today's lynch. Yeah, I'm well aware of this. The difference in my mind though is that logic has been zeroing in on details this whole game, often ignoring evidence to the contrary or more important points. (For example, logic kept dismissing the Purity case by saying it was salt while mentioning me, despite the fact that my case obviously couldn't have been salt, but yet not trying to change my mind about my scumread on Purity.) You've kept an open mind this game. For me, your two responses to the dichotomy felt very different for this reason. For you, it felt like you focusing on a scumread. For logic, it felt like another case of tunneling on one thing and ignoring the other things that contribute to the situation. It is all about precedent. |
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DenjaX said: I do not want to lynch logic and Grape today. They are cop target at most. They are useful to me so for practicality sake, I am not lynching either of them. @PentaFlare are you even sure about your vote? There are still questionable people in the roster and you want to get rid of potential analysis juggernaut in the game? I was actually supposed to go after Sollux but he rep out unfortunately. Shinichi seems to be jumping in the ocean without knowing the hazards. Possible helped by scumteam but ill not go after him for that. On the contrary, I would only like to lynch one of logic or grape today. They are both very competent players, but getting a flip from either of them would put me very close to having a full gamesolve. They are the key and I think it is more likely that logic is scum than grape. Who do you believe is the most questionable person? I am not finding many people who are overtly scummy, but a fair number that are very neutral which gets more and more concerning as the game goes longer. |
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DenjaX said: I agree with this. I have had some question marks about Penta but that RT interactions got me feeling town. Trying to take out Town assets via lynch is what you picked me out as scum for last game....Hmm new things to consider maybe my will/wont lynch list needs some updating??I do not want to lynch logic and Grape today. They are cop target at most. They are useful to me so for practicality sake, I am not lynching either of them. @PentaFlare are you even sure about your vote? There are still questionable people in the roster and you want to get rid of potential analysis juggernaut in the game? I was actually supposed to go after Sollux but he rep out unfortunately. Shinichi seems to be jumping in the ocean without knowing the hazards. Possible helped by scumteam but ill not go after him for that. |
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