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Nov 19, 2023 4:06 AM

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@Zimmu I'm not reading this shit. I love what I saw. Hopefully mappa improve their working sedule and give the animators proper time to improve more. Overall I am thankful to the animators who are keep delevery us peak after peak with such a poor working condition.
@ZXEAN
Bro your amount of copium is so insane. You not reading what I wrote because it just proves your ignorance. MAPPA's overworked animators DOESN'T equal to GOOD animation. How hard is it to understand this? You keep on talking about MAPPA animators, but what does that have to do with GOOD animation? If you can't provide evidence and facts to defend your "good animation", like me and the other guy did, then you lost this argument already. You gotta stop coping lmao
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Nov 19, 2023 4:07 AM

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@ZXEAN Ah yes, a constructive response XD. Probably you will be crying in the next few weeks seeing an awful state of next episodes.
@dzudoKing Keep crying lol. JJK's animation is top tier.
Nov 19, 2023 4:08 AM

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@ZXEAN
Bro your amount of copium is so insane. You not reading what I wrote because it just proves your ignorance. MAPPA's overworked animators DOESN'T equal to GOOD animation. How hard is it to understand this? You keep on talking about MAPPA animators, but what does that have to do with GOOD animation? If you can't provide evidence and facts to defend your "good animation", like me and the other guy did, then you lost this argument already. You gotta stop coping lmao
@Zimmu This vocal minority are prity loud aren't they
Nov 19, 2023 4:08 AM

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@dzudoKing Keep crying lol. JJK's animation is top tier.
@ZXEAN
Bruh ur 18 years old and you all you can argue back is "keep crying". Are you like a man-child or smth?
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Nov 19, 2023 4:09 AM

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@Zimmu This vocal minority are prity loud aren't they
@ZXEAN
Can't believe this man-child who can't even spell "pretty" exist on this forum.
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Nov 19, 2023 4:11 AM

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@ZXEAN
Bruh ur 18 years old and you all you can argue back is "keep crying". Are you like a man-child or smth?
@Zimmu I am trying a easy way out of this conversation. Don't want to waste my time arguing with a troll. Anyway you can keep going I will always reply 🤣
Nov 19, 2023 4:13 AM

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@Zimmu I am trying a easy way out of this conversation. Don't want to waste my time arguing with a troll. Anyway you can keep going I will always reply 🤣
@ZXEAN
There is no need to keep on going. You already lost the argument because you can't provide any factual evidence, other than saying "keep crying". You want to easy way out? Sure, just admit that you can't come up with any argument to justify your point.
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Nov 19, 2023 4:15 AM

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@ZXEAN
Can't believe this man-child who can't even spell "pretty" exist on this forum.
@Zimmu Please don't correct my English I don't have any respect for this language.
Nov 19, 2023 4:15 AM

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@ZXEAN
There is no need to keep on going. You already lost the argument because you can't provide any factual evidence, other than saying "keep crying". You want to easy way out? Sure, just admit that you can't come up with any argument to justify your point.
@Zimmu You thought I was arguing 🤣🤣😭lol.
Nov 19, 2023 4:16 AM

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@Zimmu Please don't correct my English I don't have any respect for this language.
@ZXEAN
Imma stop arguing with you now because I actually feel like I'm pitying you now.
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Nov 19, 2023 4:17 AM

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@Zimmu You thought I was arguing 🤣🤣😭lol.
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Yeah, did you not realize you were arguing with me?
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Nov 19, 2023 4:18 AM

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@ZXEAN
Imma stop arguing with you now because I actually feel like I'm pitying you now.
@Zimmu No no keep going lol.
Nov 19, 2023 4:19 AM

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@Zimmu No no keep going lol.
@ZXEAN
You want to keep going? How about you write something that contains an evidence to justify your points? Or how about you fix your English? At this point Im convinced you are actual dumbass but whatever.
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Nov 19, 2023 4:36 AM

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@ZXEAN
You want to keep going? How about you write something that contains an evidence to justify your points? Or how about you fix your English? At this point Im convinced you are actual dumbass but whatever.
@Zimmu Why you are soo desperate to argue with me ?
Nov 19, 2023 4:39 AM

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@Zimmu Why you are soo desperate to argue with me ?
@ZXEAN
Because a certain dumbass wants to keep on going.

I said you lost the argument, but you somehow still wants to go. Not my problem lmfao.
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Nov 19, 2023 4:46 AM

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@ZXEAN
Because a certain dumbass wants to keep on going.

I said you lost the argument, but you somehow still wants to go. Not my problem lmfao.
@Zimmu When did I even argue with you 😭
Nov 19, 2023 4:56 AM

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@Zimmu When did I even argue with you 😭
@ZXEAN
1. You said your opinion on JJK animation
2. I replied to your opinion with my own opinion
3. You choose not to read it.
4. You expressed your copium
5. You proceed to call me a minority
6. We keep on going back and forth.
7. I propose to end the argument, or we can call it a discussion if you like.
8. You want to keep going.
9. Now you questioning me why Im desperate to argue and when you even argued with me. We've been doing this for an hour and you think we are not arguing?

This is actually getting funny now.
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Nov 19, 2023 5:00 AM

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@Zimmu Why you are soo desperate to argue with me ?
@ZXEAN
To answer your question. You are curious why I talked to you in the first place? Heres why: Im asking why you think S2 EP 17 animation is good, when you can't even explain why. I am curious why you have the mindset.
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Nov 20, 2023 1:33 AM
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Okay I don't agree that the animation was bad because the animation it self was extremely fluid. However I will agree that the artwork in the Sukuna fight got a downgrade. I personally am not a fan when animators do this. I do realize that it does get harder to make smoother animation when it is more detailed, but I would have gladly waited an extra 3 weeks for great art and animation.
Nov 20, 2023 2:32 AM

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I will agree that the animation is subpar according to mapp standards but i dont mind it. Its still really good in terms fluidity and colours. I get that maybe you just dont like the way the artstyle has changed but jjk is not only anime who did that, like for etc one piece wano arc. One of the factors may be the working conditions of mappa, surely u heard of the latest controversy drama around the working conditions of jjk. I think yall are putting too much pressure on the studio
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Nov 20, 2023 3:24 AM

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Okay I don't agree that the animation was bad because the animation it self was extremely fluid. However I will agree that the artwork in the Sukuna fight got a downgrade. I personally am not a fan when animators do this. I do realize that it does get harder to make smoother animation when it is more detailed, but I would have gladly waited an extra 3 weeks for great art and animation.
@whyisitalltrash
Yeah i totally agree with you on this one. a lot of ppl that criticize the animation actually didn't realize that they are hating on the artstyle (that used to be me) The animation itself is fluid asf, but the lack of detail of the artstyle is another problem.
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Nov 20, 2023 12:43 PM
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What kind of pot have u been smoking lately?
Nov 20, 2023 6:47 PM

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I actually liked it and thought it was more of a stylistic choice. Made me think of the Mob Psycho fights, which isn't surprising cause it was the same people who worked on it. I also like it if the animation changes during a fight, it also made me think of the finale of Sanji vs Queen in One Piece.
Nov 20, 2023 7:15 PM
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Shibuya arc's animation needs to be finished, doesn't deserve re-animation at all
@DrkSeid69 Exactly, what they should do is give the animators enough time to actually finish the fucking episodes. You can absolutely tell that they completely ran out of time around the halfway point of episode 17's main fight, for instance. They're never going to do it, though, because they're greedy.
Nov 20, 2023 7:18 PM
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Please go and have an eye-check up
Also season 2 is a direct improvement from the manga.
@Blueberry173 Anyone defending the animation needs their eyes checked. It's obvious to anyone with barely ANY animation knowledge that they're scraping the bottom of the barrel for techniques to disguise their lack of production time.
Nov 20, 2023 7:26 PM
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i am not a mappa hater but you all will agree to this. jjk is just not a ordinary manga its a top selling manga and a top tier manga and this adaptation is not what it deserve this whole arc has so much error and inconsistensy which is not ignorable. thsi arch has the potential to go down in history of anime and they fucking destroy it bad adaptation and animation

and why the hell people are defending mappa by saying you dont understand the art style or shit like that i have watched every typre of anime and seen third tier manga getting better treatment than this . see this is a fucking shonen action manga its artstyle is not neede to be like this. no action anime ever use this type of shit art style and please dont compare it to mob psycho. mob phsyo has better animation than this and this is not fucking mob pshcho this is jjk you acn not just change the fucking art style in the middle of the anime
there are still 6epiosdse lleft in shibuya and all are important and i cant see it fucking destroyed like this one mappa should shut down the production and postponed the release to next year for better result

Here's my brain-dead opinion and rant on this.
Firstly, reanimating is simply not possible. People here rightly point out that that would literally kill the already overworked animators.

Having said that, JJK S2 has turned me into a MAPPA hater because they (MAPPA's CEO) butchered this adaptation by taking up too many projects than they could handle. Then you have Park leaving MAPPA....and he took the soul of JJK with him. I have repeatedly stated in these forums that I lost all hope in S2 as soon as the news of Park leaving hit in 2022. I think Goshozono is also good director but he was dealt a bad hand in terms of the production deadlines.

In my opinion, there was nothing major in S1 to fix in the first place. I am a fan of S1's artstyle, hand-to-hand fight choreography and OST selection. That's why JJK S1 is first on my list of favourite anime. None of this is present in S2.

I didn't like the artstyle, animation or OSTs in hidden inventory....but now I realize it was still significantly better than Shibuya. And regarding the artstyle choice here's my braindead theory: they changed it because it was easy to animate....they knew they couldn't handle this production schedule with the original artstyle. S1 and JJK0 artstyle is super-detailed not easy to animate. Because they knew of the impending crunch. I personally do not believe in the artistic choice theory....maybe applicable for hidden inventory....but not shibuya. I invite people to check out Science Saru anime....THAT is artistic choice.

JJK S2 (Shibuya) is a massive downgrade against its predecessors. People are praising it out of pity for the animators...and by overtly praising this product they are implicitly exonerating MAPPA of all wrongdoing ("hooray...despite the abysmal working conditions, the animators still managed to pull it off...justice for the animators!"). Six months down the line if S2 is still highly rated (which I wont be surprised if it is)...it will be hailed as MAPPA's masterpiece. Nothing will change for the animators...their working conditions will only get worse because the uncritical praise the anime recieved will prove that this manner of production scheduling not only works but is in fact the correct choice.

MAPPA is ruining their flagship series as well as their animators' lives in order to achieve their own selfish (albeit unrealistic) goals of surpassing KyoAni...I mean really? Watch ANY part of Tsurune S2 and compare that to shibuya (the former is a show about archery!)...MAPPA can't compete with that level of dedication.
@btech2009 Yours is easily the most sane and well thought out response I've seen to the decrease in animation quality. Still, there's one improvement to season 1 they've managed to make (before the meltdown), which is background scenery consistency (Yuji vs Todo is one example of a particularly bad case).
Nov 20, 2023 9:56 PM

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@Blueberry173 Anyone defending the animation needs their eyes checked. It's obvious to anyone with barely ANY animation knowledge that they're scraping the bottom of the barrel for techniques to disguise their lack of production time.
@Gabu-sama its honestly the opposite, if you think this is the "shit animation" i can't take you seriously and you probably have never actually seen really bad animation, OP is surely giving intense energy of this sort.
Go and watch ex arm and try calling this shit.
Nov 22, 2023 6:56 AM
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@Zimmu I am trying a easy way out of this conversation. Don't want to waste my time arguing with a troll. Anyway you can keep going I will always reply 🤣
@ZXEAN Literally your conversations are just continuous provocations and continuous praise about animation without any argument behind it, we understand that you like it, but that doesn't make it a good animation 😉
Nov 22, 2023 7:07 AM
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What are you talking about... bad animation and adaptation? The only fight that was worse was the fight with that weird old guy and the start of the fight with Dagon and Yuji fighting the locusts.

Yuji vs Choso fight, Nanami vs blonde bitch, Mei Mei fight, Gojo vs Tojo fight, Toji vs Dagon, Toji vs Megumi, Geto vs Toji, Jogo vs Sukuna and the rest... all these fights had better animation than 90% of the anime coming out . The fight between Sukuna and Mahoraga will not appeal to everyone because it is quite chaotic and probably not completely finished, but it is still a good fight.

As for the adaptation, it's really good. I'm a fan of the art from the first season, but this season I like the more dark and artistic approach to some episodes. It's unclear what will happen to the remaining episodes, but there's nothing to complain about for now. Some people react as if this season looked like Seven Deadly Sins after the change of studio, but it's still a well-made anime...
You have some cosmic requirements. You can't make every episode at the level of Fate and Kny. Even these series do not have such quality all the time, as can be seen in season 3 of Kny.
@Jollyne7 Although the third season of Demon Slayer did not have high peaks like the 2nd season, it was still well animated (except for some things like the CGI fish), the fact is that if people complain about the 2nd season of jjk for a reason there will be... regarding the style of the last 2 episodes it's really dirty and confusing and not everyone appreciates this type of style, especially when jjk has always had a coherent and detailed style, this change of direction is honestly jarring and would have been better if they had taken more time to give us the best possible content instead of these constant leaps in quality that can leave many people dissatisfied...
Nov 22, 2023 7:16 AM
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@Leon888 Showing sympathy for their shitty work situation doesn't = fanboyism, holy shit.... 🤦‍♂️
@thebrentinator24 The problem is that you don't demonstrate this, since I repeat, I always meet you everywhere when someone criticizes the animation of the animes 😂
Nov 22, 2023 7:36 AM

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Yeah sure. While we at it, can we remake Game of Thrones season 7 and 8 too please?
It doesn't matter if you like LoGH,Monster etc.If you are a jobless or college/school dropout living in your mom basement, you are still an unintelligent loser. Taste in anime does not make you a better person.
Nov 22, 2023 9:57 AM

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Except for episode 16, there was no episode that needed a remake. The Shibuya arc is not the best arc in anime history or battle shounen history. Jujutsu Kaisen is an above-average hybrid of cult shounen series, there is no need to exaggerate so much.
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Except for episode 16, there was no episode that needed a remake.


Episode 16 was literally the most polished episode from Shibuya. Directly stated by Miso to have started production earlier than others and that it was his choice to have characters drawn in mostly kagenashi.

It's literally the [i]last[/i] episode possible that "needs an remake" when it came out exactly how it was intended to.
Nov 22, 2023 7:46 PM

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Can we get a demon slayer arc about how to fucking animate?

maybe then these brain dead people complaining would bother learn what good animation is before complaining about actual top of the shelf quality.
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@Gabu-sama its honestly the opposite, if you think this is the "shit animation" i can't take you seriously and you probably have never actually seen really bad animation, OP is surely giving intense energy of this sort.
Go and watch ex arm and try calling this shit.
@Blueberry173 Get some basic animation knowledge, then come back here to discuss, okay?
Nov 22, 2023 11:01 PM

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@Blueberry173 Get some basic animation knowledge, then come back here to discuss, okay?
@Gabu-sama 🤣 stay ignorant then, i don't believe you even read what i said,
Simply asking yourself "does this look worse than ex arm?" Would have given you the answer about if its "shit" or not, well then, goodbye 👋.
Nov 22, 2023 11:16 PM
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@Gabu-sama 🤣 stay ignorant then, i don't believe you even read what i said,
Simply asking yourself "does this look worse than ex arm?" Would have given you the answer about if its "shit" or not, well then, goodbye 👋.
@Blueberry173 I'm not about to lecture your sad infantile ass on basic shit, kid. Either grow the fuck up, or stop discussing. End of story.
Nov 23, 2023 12:14 AM

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@btech2009 Yours is easily the most sane and well thought out response I've seen to the decrease in animation quality. Still, there's one improvement to season 1 they've managed to make (before the meltdown), which is background scenery consistency (Yuji vs Todo is one example of a particularly bad case).
@Gabu-sama I am grateful for your appreciation. I agree, S2 has better and more consistent backgrounds in comparison to S1.
Nov 23, 2023 4:50 AM

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@Gabu-sama 🤣 stay ignorant then, i don't believe you even read what i said,
Simply asking yourself "does this look worse than ex arm?" Would have given you the answer about if its "shit" or not, well then, goodbye 👋.
@Blueberry173
I didnt read your previous arguments, but you can't simply use ex arm as an argument to defend that ep 17 has good animation. EX ARM is pure shit. If you really want to express your view that ep 17 has good animation, then why are you comparing JJK against SHIT? What you are doing is like two grown man is having an argument about who is smarter, and you just defend yourself by saying you are smarter than a 3ry old. Its a stupid argument.

JJK S1 and S2 have good levels of animation. What people, like me, are really disappointed about, is the artstyle.
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Nov 23, 2023 4:59 AM

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@Gabu-sama I am grateful for your appreciation. I agree, S2 has better and more consistent backgrounds in comparison to S1.
@btech2009
Not saying S2 isn't consistent in BG, but I certainly don't think S1's BG is less consistent. It could just be an illusion, as S2 offers a lot more backgrounds since fights takes places in so many different places. Furthermore, ep17's background is actually a lot worse than previous eps.
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Nov 23, 2023 5:18 AM

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Zimmu said:
@btech2009
Not saying S2 isn't consistent in BG, but I certainly don't think S1's BG is less consistent. It could just be an illusion, as S2 offers a lot more backgrounds since fights takes places in so many different places. Furthermore, ep17's background is actually a lot worse than previous eps.

I didnt have issues with the S1 backgrounds myself or paid much attention to them...because the action in the foreground was spectacular. But I understand why some people (with a more discerning eye) didnt like them...especially after the YouTuber Probably Pretentious made a video critiquing S1's backgrounds and compositing.

I criticize myself sometimes for judging S2 too harshly (and that partly comes from the fact that I am a fan of the old artstyle). But sometimes there are users (@Gabu-sama for instance) who make an attempt to understand my viewpoint and try to "meet halfway"...that brings about a moment of introspection.

Look friend, I am on your side 🙂...we have the S1 camp (you, me and others) and the S2 camp. We have to atleast meet halfway on some of the points else these arguments will never achieve closure.
Nov 23, 2023 5:34 AM

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You deserve reanimation
Nov 23, 2023 5:44 AM

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@btech2009
Not saying S2 isn't consistent in BG, but I certainly don't think S1's BG is less consistent. It could just be an illusion, as S2 offers a lot more backgrounds since fights takes places in so many different places. Furthermore, ep17's background is actually a lot worse than previous eps.

I didnt have issues with the S1 backgrounds myself or paid much attention to them...because the action in the foreground was spectacular. But I understand why some people (with a more discerning eye) didnt like them...especially after the YouTuber Probably Pretentious made a video critiquing S1's backgrounds and compositing.

I criticize myself sometimes for judging S2 too harshly (and that partly comes from the fact that I am a fan of the old artstyle). But sometimes there are users (@Gabu-sama for instance) who make an attempt to understand my viewpoint and try to "meet halfway"...that brings about a moment of introspection.

Look friend, I am on your side 🙂...we have the S1 camp (you, me and others) and the S2 camp. We have to atleast meet halfway on some of the points else these arguments will never achieve closure.
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Yeah I see your point now. Also thx for telling me that youtuber. Just watched his video on ep 17 and its pretty interesting.
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Nov 23, 2023 6:10 AM
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Some of the fights recently have been top tier animation imo idk what you’re complaining about, also art style is one of the most common complaints people have with the manga
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Most anime’s have tight schedules and not perfect work conditions unfortunately. Everyone acts like mappa is the only one nowadays but no. Most people are just saying how bad it is cause they parrot what everyone else says, use your own eyes it’s not even bad, it’s not getting re animated
Nov 23, 2023 9:15 AM
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I don't think there should be reanimation because the background artstyle is overall a heavy improvement compared to S1. I guess the simplified character designs alongside the usage of minimalistic animation styles such as Kagenashi (Nashi=without, Kage=shadows, so basically animation without shadows) creates a strong contrast of detail compared to S1, and I can see why people may not like it. The fact that MAPPA is giving the animators such a tight schedule further aggravates the problem.

Personally though, I am satisfied with what is presented solely due to the fact that I am an anime-only due to which the story is totally unknown to me. This compensates for the animation change easily sufficiently because the story of S2 is darker and better compared to S1.
Nov 23, 2023 9:20 AM

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@Blueberry173
I didnt read your previous arguments, but you can't simply use ex arm as an argument to defend that ep 17 has good animation. EX ARM is pure shit. If you really want to express your view that ep 17 has good animation, then why are you comparing JJK against SHIT? What you are doing is like two grown man is having an argument about who is smarter, and you just defend yourself by saying you are smarter than a 3ry old. Its a stupid argument.

JJK S1 and S2 have good levels of animation. What people, like me, are really disappointed about, is the artstyle.
@Zimmu that would be fair to say but the reason i am comparing it to ACTUAL SHIT is because people are calling season 2 animation "absolute shit", so obviously i just mentioned what "absolutely shit" really means.
I mentioned in my reply above this one too that i am simply against people who say things like "this is the worst animation ever" "this animation is "absolute shit", just that.
Nov 23, 2023 11:07 AM
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As other guy pointed out the animation needs to get finished not redone "third grade animation" lol
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