| #1200 RE1031 said: I don't know what's going on. Wow. And I was thinking logic was scum with Abu. This is bad. Togs is right, but that doesn't mean the game solving ends with Abu's lynch. Ah here is it the post i was refering to~ |
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AbuHumaid said: Floofs said: out of all these scenarios, what do you believe to be the true one? Who do you suspect now?Ummm.....I think we are starting to look too much into possibilities at this point. Especially with night kills. We can only work with what information we have, since we, as town, are the uniformed minority. Also, I don't think town PR's would lie about their night actions. What we know, logic roleblocks rei. Rei claims they cop checked abu and they came back scum. Only probable reasons could be logic was roleblocked and abu is scum, or logic was role blocked and abu was framed or logic was roleblocked and abu is unaware miller. If we are going to sort about abu today lets work with the probable and not the possible. Fighting over possibilities with limited information is what scum would want us to do. Heck, we don't know why there was only one night kill N1. Could be only maf and killed grrr, or maf roleblocked sk and killed grrr, or maf shot sk who chose 1 shot bullet proof instead of investigation immunity and sk killed grrr, or maf or sk decided to not make a kill at all. N2 maf could have killed logic and SK killed amai, or SK killed logic and maf killed amai, or maf killed logic and vig killed amai, or maf killed amai and vig killed logic. I may have missed some but I hope you get my point. Too many possibilities not enough info so lets stick to what we know. EDIT: added scenario Scenario, as in NK, is not something we should not be doing right now. Town does not have the information to determine that. Too many what ifs. Scenario, as in the pickle you are in Abu, they are all probable. Behaviorally, I was generally town reading you up until now. I currently dislike the argument between you and theconq speculating who would do what with night kills and throwing shade at each other. Town doesn't no why the NK occurred. |
yurkin said: @floofs #1302 so who do you suspect floofs? As for me one thing im sure atm that is im townreading albertino, not so sure about lamb but i place it closer to town. I like albertino for the most part. The only skepticism I have with them is that they are really active for a new town player. You, togs and labs are neutral Not liking conq, abu, iron or re |
 Vote Count 3.5  AbuHumaid (4): Togs, AlbertinoDias, TheConquerer, ironace TheConquerer (3): Labs, RE1031, AbuHumaid Players not voting: yurkin, Floofs Mod Notes: ~ |
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AbuHumaid said: Floofs said: my argument with TheConquerer was more like self preservation, you know one gets desperate when all fingers point at them, who do you think would be a good lynch today?Scenario, as in NK, is not something we should not be doing right now. Town does not have the information to determine that. Too many what ifs. Scenario, as in the pickle you are in Abu, they are all probable. Behaviorally, I was generally town reading you up until now. I currently dislike the argument between you and theconq speculating who would do what with night kills and throwing shade at each other. Town doesn't no why the NK occurred. In self preservation you state why you are not scum, and you make a case against someone. You don't point fingers at them and make false accusations with information you don't know. |
RE1031 said: @yurkin Also, last game was an exception when it comes to me being emotional. I felt a lot of pressure being one of three PRs, and the only one who hadn't been outed yet. It took a lot of willpower not to claim despite being very close to being lynched and being suspected by like 5 people. Yeah i know, even in that past game i mentioned how i find re to be unsually emotioal. So ye i aware that was not the usual re. You sorta claimed d1 back then tho. :< Anyway that is long in past topic to go on to. |
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RE1031 said: I am good with either an Abu or TheConquerer lynch. But if TheConq's slip wasn't enough to convince the rest of town, I'll work on my case throughout night 1. And while Amai's kill may have had like no significance, she may have been onto something with TheConq... Really wishing I had asked earlier for those posts. @AlbertinoDias Thanks for the VCA, although that wasn't the kind I had in mind exactly TTwTT There's a formula that's somewhat accurate in catching scum based on previous trains. i tried to do my best... Floofs said: yurkin said: @floofs #1302 so who do you suspect floofs? As for me one thing im sure atm that is im townreading albertino, not so sure about lamb but i place it closer to town. I like albertino for the most part. The only skepticism I have with them is that they are really active for a new town player. You, togs and labs are neutral Not liking conq, abu, iron or re well, i'm going to uni this year... so, i want to play the most games i can while i can :D besides day 2 i was behind the PC almost all time, so i had time to write a respond "quickly" (but ofc i was doing things so some times i was not able to come here) |
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RE1031 said: Can you explain please? Because not explaining is what leads to chaos :/ Do i need to really, that post its quite interesting by itself. but 'k - togs it ok with lynching rei for information basically. + the last sentence suggest hes aware what will rei flip there. |
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RE1031 said: Okay, Abu can be scum. But first things first. I don't think I need to reread as many posts as I thought I had to. TheConquerer said: Because there's no way mafia would know who was miller to frame... They tried to frame me, killed theiller and screwed themselves over. I wouldn't be surprised if you and labs are scum team desperate on trying to lynch to finish of this game. It would be ridiculous not to lynch you with the amount of evidence on you. How do you know mafia killed the miller? There were two kills last night. vote: TheConquerer Heh... though I like you and the vote for the most part, seems like trivial nitpicking as a base alongside it :S |
AlbertinoDias said: so this is EoD1 vote: Amai_yume (5): RE1031, ironace, Labs, Floofs, grrr TheConquerer (5): yurkin, AbuHumaid, Togs, logic340, Amai_yume Togs (2): TheConquerer, AlbertinoDias AbuHumaid (1): reiynii Players not voting: while togs was the first to vote Amai, RE was the one leading the train, which gets her a bit out of VCA because normally, scum do not like to start trains (normally) Iron and labs are in the middle, and Grrr in the end, from day 1 train, these are the mosts suspicious, Grrr we know it isn't, that leaves us with Ironace, Labs the counter train most likely has another scum, they would be someone in the middle Abuhumaid and Togs, but this counter train was created by town (logic and who followed him where: Amai_yume and Togs out of this 2 just togs could be mafia, but togs did say he did not want to lynch Amai... so he's out of suspicion, that would leave us with Abu and yurkin, both of them did not participate in the counter train, they were already there, so that leaves us with Abu then we have, me reiynii and TQ, reiynii is out so, not much to say, i was trying to save amai because i did not thought she was scum and because no one wanted to vote Grrr..., and TQ placed his RVS and never changed it... and never had a good reason, this is fishy... so i take out of here TQ day 1 most likely to be scum with VCA are the ones with (b) (/b) ;) this was right after reiynii revealed: Vote Count 2.15 reiynii (4): Labs, AbuHumaid, logic340, Amai_yume AbuHumaid (4): reiynii, Togs, RE1031, AlbertinoDias yurkin (2): TheConquerer, ironace ironace (1): yurkin logic340 (1): Floofs Players not voting: and this was right after logic counterclaim: D2 Final Vote Count reiynii (6): Labs, AbuHumaid, logic340, Amai_yume, Togs, TheConquerer AbuHumaid (3): reiynii, RE1031, AlbertinoDias yurkin (1): ironace ironace (1): yurkin logic340 (1): Floofs while i did not post the rest of the VC here, ironace activity is fishy, she went to a train after logic and never removed her vote, but yurkin had voted Ironace before (and also never moved her vote) displaced votes also indicate scum, so one of them is scum most likely, and in an important matter as well... Ironace, yurkin then we have me, RE and togs, we pretty much at the same time voted for Abu after the claim, this is important because we were the only ones that believed the claim, this because at least one of us is Scum Dias, RE, Togs but after the counter claim Togs was the only one that moved his vote... we can see this from 2 perspective either togs saw that he was the only one standing out and moved his vote back out of panic, or, me or RE are Scum but thought that panic would attract attention and did not move our votes... or we both thought that reiynii had more to lose then logic since she was the one in the choping block... TQ also moved his vote and trusted logic... but we did not get any reaction from him right after the reiynii claim... this is also fishy, it seams like he was waiting a bit to see what would happen and vote with the most people in order to not get attention TQ so... in my perspective we have: Ironacex2 Labs Abu TQ x2 yurkin Dias RE Togs with my VCA i think that Iron and TQ are scum, alongside Abu so my 3 suspects right now are: Abu, Iron, TQ (even with this i still got my eyes on Togs and Labs, right now, with exclusion processes, i think yurkin is not mafia Hmmm, I'm actually kind of lost as to what this was meant to be, even with the whole being new to VCA.... I don't quite understand what you were attempting to do nor exactly what went down. |
yurkin said: Omg reading the eod d2 and i get more and more angry at logic. I see an opportunistic re, i see re defending players she is not particulary townreading just for the sake of creating more chaos, i see many things that simply feels "wrong", using the most simple way to describ it. But since i read based on tone as well - yeah in my opinion this is scum re. Am i wrong here... because the weirdness started from the beginning of the game, and continues, is it because she thought logic was scum, honestly im way too curious to find out. Hmmmm I guess you're not alone in this it would seem. Abu had already covered what he could in pointing this kind of behavior out for me earlier on in the phase. |
ironace said: So I was sure yurkin is scum. But people have been pointing fingers to each other so much and sound so genuine town I'm confused. ALberto is probadly town. Abu sounded town but he came up bad on rei's radar. Honestly is scum had framed him the same night then this mafia is the luckiest one ever.but I don't believe such a lucky situation would occur for scum unless they can read minds... So for now vote:Abu humaid Would'ave loved to see how/why on the Alberto town thing before ducking out, seems more like spewing out popular opinions than anything else. The rest is just avoiding not relying on supposed mechanical catches and well, not looking forward to the game beyond this point. |
ironace said: No not as in posting... His level of activity is annoying. And he sheep's most votes.but he is once again not the center of attention >_< Good joke, that's the same as saying everyone else's is if from the other end of PoV. Also might want to learn what sheeping is, or at-least look into anything other than the vote posts alone and numbers EoD. |
Floofs said: Ummm.....I think we are starting to look too much into possibilities at this point. Especially with night kills. We can only work with what information we have, since we, as town, are the uniformed minority. Also, I don't think town PR's would lie about their night actions. What we know, logic roleblocks rei. Rei claims they cop checked abu and they came back scum. Only probable reasons could be logic was roleblocked and abu is scum, or logic was role blocked and abu was framed or logic was roleblocked and abu is unaware miller. If we are going to sort about abu today lets work with the probable and not the possible. Fighting over possibilities with limited information is what scum would want us to do. Heck, we don't know why there was only one night kill N1. Could be only maf and killed grrr, or maf roleblocked sk and killed grrr, or maf shot sk who chose 1 shot bullet proof instead of investigation immunity and sk killed grrr, or maf or sk decided to not make a kill at all. N2 maf could have killed logic and SK killed amai, or SK killed logic and maf killed amai, or maf killed logic and vig killed amai, or maf killed amai and vig killed logic. I may have missed some but I hope you get my point. Too many possibilities not enough info so lets stick to what we know. EDIT: added scenario Thing is, sometimes it's harder to take probability over what would have seemed overly convincing in any other situation, especially when it continues to seem as such after that fact. Also we need to figure out more than a single slot that if correct at the end of the day was handed out for free in-turn of night interactions.... I'd prefer to at-least get a feel for what we need to solve before it comes time to get it right or lose, Abu's slot isn't going to magically change or become an option that doesn't exist in the following phases. |
yurkin said: RE1031 said: Can you explain please? Because not explaining is what leads to chaos :/ Do i need to really, that post its quite interesting by itself. but 'k - togs it ok with lynching rei for information basically. + the last sentence suggest hes aware what will rei flip there. Would fallback/10 |
Labs said: Hmmm, I'm actually kind of lost as to what this was meant to be, even with the whole being new to VCA.... I don't quite understand what you were attempting to do nor exactly what went down. so someone asked if anyone knew how to do VCA, i said i was learning and could try, what i did was analyse the most common thing scum do, and pointed out the people that most likely did that, and there were 2 people that stood out in both EoD Iron and TQ, so i conclued that they are the 2 most likelly to be scum alongside Abu :) (quick resume xD) |
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Labs said: yurkin said: Do i need to really, that post its quite interesting by itself. but 'k - togs it ok with lynching rei for information basically. + the last sentence suggest hes aware what will rei flip there. Would fallback/10 ? :< |
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To said choice come EoD2 |
| Hopefully jump on again if I get up early enough, already in bed doe Koz bro took over PC to try out a game. |
Labs said: Hopefully jump on again if I get up early enough, already in bed doe Koz bro took over PC to try out a game. Hopefully votes are placed and don't leave much room for a tie by then, rules on that are silly to deal with. |
| Sorry, I was V/LA yesterday because of birthday. And tbh this game has been kind of depressing me. |
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| I'm leaning towards lynching Abu today because I feel like it would be a nightmare to get people to actually agree on a different consensus scumread today. And besides I don't like the people voting for his counterwagon. |
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Togs said: Sorry, I was V/LA yesterday because of birthday. And tbh this game has been kind of depressing me. At least someone feels the same way as me :< ... thats sad by itself... |
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yurkin said: @re1031 #1286 "before you continue, do you think there is an SK in this game? I do." Well pretty fun you ask me ;3 aah idk is the right answer here. yep. "I don't think a vig would* shoot either amai or logic - if the vig were to ever shoot, i'd be at Abu." If i was the vig id shoot togs for all i care! o/ but maybe the vig was moody and pissed off and stuff happened but idk really :'< lmao Joke aside, quite sure i remember you yourself mentioning after the amai/logic flip how you thought abu and logic were a scum team together. Now you turn around in a direction that look strange from this standpoint. Aka oh logic was suspicious but oh noes only sk would to ever kill him~ sort of thing. "it'd be at abu." With the descrepancy of the mechanical side of the question, that still remains unclear to this point, that is questionable. edit: add * Being suspicious of someone is a far cry away from wanting the vig to shoot them. Whereas Abu has been caught via mechanics, with only a very small possibility of him being miller. Should Abu have flipped scum, I would have scrutinized logic. But until then, it's not worth shooting logic. Like, ever (unless he's caught mechanically, which Abu has). In case I miss phase change: vote: AbuHumaid |
...better to be hated for what you are than loved for something you are not. |
AbuHumaid said: ;-; <.< Man... do something before u bite the rope, coz apparently your fate its sealed... Who is scum Abu!? o/ |
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You were cop checked, with very little chance that you are miller, given Amai's flip. If you do actually flip town, I'm going to complain. Two millers in a game is really unreasonable. |
...better to be hated for what you are than loved for something you are not. |
RE1031 said: I also want to lynch TheConquerer, but I also don't want any ties. I'll redirect anyone to my #1289 before I stop being lazy and go do an ISO. So if Abu is scum, who are you gonna go after? |
| I've been here way too long... |
AbuHumaid said: yurkin said: no one is listening to me, I already said that the scum is either RE or TheConquerer<.< Man... do something before u bite the rope, coz apparently your fate its sealed... Who is scum Abu!? o/ Id bet they both are lol. Plus re talks about you being catch mechanically while clearly there were some sort of descrepancy between night actions going on there. |
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| re1031 #1328 "being suspicious of someone is far away from wanting to shoot them." (...) Well no one said anything about u wanting to shoot logic lol. You crook the point a bit here, which was u giving 1 of kills to a sk because u cant imagine vig would ever shoot logic... well i guess for somebody a worth of him staying alive existed, whether the pursose was that have crumbled, sadly or fortunately is up to see. "Whereas abu has been catch via mechanics with only small possibility of him being miller. " 0% possibility of 2nd unaware miller in a basic game, imo, never heard of such thing, ill be utmost surprised if that happens to be the case here. Same for him being framed by mafia framer - gotta agree with lambs #1124 here. Which leaves: logic rb-ed n1 + abu scum. Or rei-chan lying about receiving results to save its skin from the impending lynch. Which is the real one is unknown. Do you scumread abu based on behaviour? |
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| This is about TC btw xD #47- this post is NAI but at the same time, strange 52#- it was strange because he thought logic wanted yurkin not to change his vote... even i understood that he was saying that she was not moving, and not asking, this comes a bit as a defence... +S #132-he still believes logic is not himself because of "supernatural belief" couldn't he really not understand the situation?? +S #142-this is when he publicly says he's going to lurk.... (+S because of his next post) #207- so previously he say he understands Logic point but now, he says "its sorta scummy to hide behind someone RVS" this is the real scummy thing, going forward and backwords with his word... +S #365 emotion appeal... this is not a defence... NAI #368- decides not to vote amai because he does not have reads on her well... +T #378- provides a link to make his emotion appeal seem like a real defence NAI #399- causes panic because he "shortned " the day time but NAI #446- we have not much time, why not focusing in the current game?? NAI #506- he does not like a tie... but gave 0 reads day 1 to prevent a tie... +S #791- well, he does not give reads... he just point out some things other people said... but votes yurkin because of her activity... what about Iron?? and labs??... well this is very scumy +S #798- trying to see who's lynch worthy?? this is like saying: trying to see who will not give me many suspicions... +S #808- wow, just wow, tha's the reason you're voting yurkin?? that's you... but a more active version... +S #888- he state here that yurkin is scum and he's looking for her acomplices, noting this, NAI (because his reasons for voting Yurkin are super bad) #967-so you think i't bad for me to think that cop lynch is a good thing (and you did not understood what i was saying and evaded answering my question regarding this matter) BUT---> in #1038 you vote for reinyii?? you did not even read teh threath like you should... this was exactly what i was saying with all that cop thing... you say no one can counterclaim but you believe a counter calim?? it does not make much sence... i'm sorry +S #1086 and #1095 shows that he knows what we are talking about, but just superficialy... like someone told him what was hapening in a resume...+S #1151 well... it seams you're still doing back and forth arguments... this goes agains what you saiid and did earlyer... +S #1184 (don't look at me, look at them xD) NAI #1259- hehe something sliped?? ^^---"They tried to frame me, killed theiller and screwed themselves over."---- #1279 now that i'm reading this again, why would you ragequit?? is this another appeal to emotion?? Well, i think he is scum... what do you guys think?? Edit: added the first part, i had everything on the sticky notes |
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| At times like these i wish there were double lynch! \o/ |
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| Anyway bye abu gg! |
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| s yurkin said: At times like these i wish there were double lynch! \o/ so you agree with me?? |
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AlbertinoDias said: s yurkin said: At times like these i wish there were double lynch! \o/ so you agree with me?? Not exactly, i disagree with some points of the iso, like #1259 being slip - i dont see it at such. Its quite sad but the game feels dead, hope logic learn d1 no lynch is a bad idea from that... I want to see a flip! That is! :< |
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| Vote Count 3.6 AbuHumaid (5): Togs, AlbertinoDias, TheConquerer, ironace, RE1031 TheConquerer (2): Labs, AbuHumaid Players not voting: yurkin, Floofs Mod Notes: ~ |
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The phase will end shortly and starting day 4, all phases are 24 hours long. |
Confirmed man's best friend, but I guess you've Gottah go to a better place now : '< Euthanize: Abu-bu |
| OK, Abu lynch it is then. I don't really see much connections with him, so either way there are a lot of people to look into.. Albertino and Yurkin are the only people I feel confident enough in to townread. Classes are just over for me today so I'll do my best in this department today, I might as well get started ahead of the flip. Really really really hope we actually hit scum today though, I could use the motivation boost. If we don't though I guess it's just max unlucky so I can't complain too much about it |
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TIME! Votes beyond this post won't count. |
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| D3 Final Vote Count AbuHumaid (6): Togs, AlbertinoDias, TheConquerer, ironace, RE1031, Labs TheConquerer (1): AbuHumaid Players not voting: yurkin, Floofs Mod Notes: ~ |
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