Guimi Zhi Zhu: Xiaochou Pian Episode 11 Discussion

@OrigamistToo sleepless pathway beyonders gets power boost during night time + also gets extra boost during full moon + after learning about acting method he was on a verge of completely digesting the potion.

So yes with night boost + full moon boost plus close to complete digestion of sequence 7 potion can easily fight on par with someone who is low sequence 6.

Also, if Klein haven't thrown the mirror I bet sharon would have won

Everything here always happens under a full red moon. Someone’s eating, smacking their lips disgustingly, someone else is watching with revulsion, and the smacking just keeps going in the background.

Fanservice. A woman just got out of the bath and puts on a dress over her wet body. And now a trial, with public hearings, where we learn that their city is a horrible place full of unrest, rampant disease, and poverty. Funny, the show’s only shown us fancy districts, huge houses, and libraries. The MC, by the looks of it, moved his whole family into a mansion with a advance paycheck he got when he started his job. They only went to a poor district once, when they were looking for that trans person in episode 5, and that’s it. But now it turns out things have been awful there the whole time.

The dudes with glowing purple eyes - are those just a visual cue for the audience to show they’re under control? Because I don’t think people in their world wouldn’t notice that. Did that mademoiselle really need to kill the guy from the end of the last episode if she could already casually control an entire courtroom? And the MC just shows up solo to a government meeting? Weren’t they investigating this as a trio last episode? Why’s he handling it alone now? So, a random strand of her hair falls off, flies in the wind for 50 meters, lands in the MC’s hand, and he, not finding anything suspicious about it, just decides to chase after it in a carriage? Alright.

Secret search in a noble’s house. More fanservice. Honestly, if they hadn’t named the character in the photo at that moment,I’d have thought the MC was a traitor secretly hanging out with the puppeteer. The safe just opens on its own, and the captain rummages through it with his hand. Scene over.

Meanwhile, the MC’s in an insane chase where the horse-drawn carriage magically disappears a few times when it turns a corner, and the MC, as usual, divines and tells the driver where to go. Just at the end of the last episode, he suspected the girl might be super strong and dangerous, and now she’s straight-up blocking his divinations, he notices it, but he keeps chasing her anyway.

Level 6—is that enough to puppeteer the entire city leadership without anyone noticing? Wouldn’t be surprised if the MC with his fog could blow up whole continents for fun. More fanservice.

Continuing the chase, the MC arrives at the girl’s mansion, which the magic cops just searched. He touches the same safe everyone’s so desperate to rummage through, for some reason says "mezzanine!" what in architecture means a superstructure over the middle part of an apartment building (I have no idea what he wanted to say), gets shown a random photo from the girl’s past, and starts seeing a magical room with spiderwebs. The MC triggers an alarm, the doors swing open, and the girl walks in. Meanwhile, the MC cinematically vanishes into thin air, only to be shaking behind a curtain. So the girl didn’t even know he was following her, and her hair just randomly fell out and flew into his hand? They show a flashback, but for some reason, it’s done with a time-rewind scene with clocks running backward, like time was reversed. Why show it like that? No clue.

I can’t wrap my head around this ritual-on-himself scene. They taught the MC to summon himself to be stealthier, but he doesn’t use a spell they might’ve taught him in that lesson. Instead, he casts a homemade spell from episode 4 that definitely didn’t have that effect back then. What a versatile magic, whipped up on a whim after one lesson from a level 9 old man. So, the MC wasn’t actually riding a carriage after the girl but was just spiritually flying after her from home? Or was it some shadow clone technique? Or can he now peek an hour into the future and rewind time?

Suddenly, the MC’s at the police station, spilling everything to the captain, who also touched the same safe but saw nothing. They go to the artifact storage, and behind the doors, there’s some old man who’s never been shown before, like he lives there 24/7. And somehow, in the previous episode, doll are walking around, opening doors from the inside. They grab a little mirror and immediately gear up for a fight.

So what were they planning to do with this girl? Catch and interrogate her? If they wanted to take her out, they didn’t even try usе the opportunity. Their mission planning is top-notch, just like in episode 5. They’re going after a girl who’s clearly above level 7, since the MC can’t even track her with magic from the fog, and they send a level 9 artifact stand and a level 8 MC, while leaving their most combat-ready level 7 unit to cast spells somewhere outside. In episode 5, the captain fought a freshly turned level 7 and couldn’t handle her, so why did he think they’d get lucky this time? Is the rose guy on vacation today?

Nice, the fog now casually removes level 6 control from the MC without even entering the foggy dimension—definitely not overpowered. Man, the captain’s a heavy sleeper, only waking up a minute and a half after his spell failed. The captain shows up, a fight breaks out, and everyone’s just teleporting back and forth. Well, I guess a level 7 witch is stronger than a level 6, since the captain was holding his own this time.

So, all those puppeteered people were just standing like idiots in the courthouse from morning to night, and no one noticed, even though it’s clearly open to the public, since the MC just walked in and there were non-controlled people, like the protesters? Alright.

“Captain, I’m done cleaning downstairs.” So, when they entered the house, they managed to trash everything but did it so quietly they didn’t wake the girl? And the captain was supposed to personally clean up an exploded room upstairs with bullet holes, piles of glass, and two bodies? Oh, the captain being hungry is probably just a side effect of the mirror they forgot to tell the audience about. He’ll eat and calm down. Or maybe he's just cleaning the room that way. They really wanted to shove in a cliffhanger, showing it at both the start and end of the episode.

@Sahilnoor It seems like there was night in episode 5 too, though I don’t recall anything about a full moon. There’s always some kind of red full moon in the background when they’re doing stuff in the warp. Well, if the impending digestion of the potion enhances it that much, then fine. I also think he wouldn’t have won, but he held his own pretty well this time. I initially thought that power here grows exponentially with level and is entirely determined by it, but it seems there are exceptions everywhere. Thanks for the explanation.

@OrigamistToo
Yeah it does but the gap between nearly digested sequence 5 to sequence 6 isnt as much as like sequence 5 to sequence 4 but its still considerable

Also the mirror carried

@Skullwild
"Yeah they cut all"
Heard that in the book he counts every coin and always whines when he has to spend money. Here, though, there’s been no mention of local currency since episode 5.

"Nighthawks are basically supernatural police"
It’s clear they’re magical police, but what’s unclear is their position in society. From what’s shown, it seems like they can just walk into any government building, as if their authority is higher than the nobles’.

"yeah klein is a very ordinary and average looking dude"
Yeah, with the local dark-colored suits, it’s sometimes hard to tell characters apart.

"I actually quite liked this scene"
It’s just that they’re basically showing us a flashback, and I don’t get why they needed all this extra flair. It’s confusing for no reason.

"so he wasn’t riding a carriage at all"
Then what about the coachman and the whole chase scene on screen? It feels like that scene was completely pointless then—cut those 5 minutes of the chase from the runtime, and nothing would change. Plus, all that suspense, like him hiding behind the curtain, a drop of sweat falling to the floor, can spirits even sweat? The cat clearly noticed him multiple times. It’s hard to believe that a cat’s senses are sharper than a level 6’s.

"Yeah Keepers are just retired nighthawks"
So he didn’t notice when that doll started wandering around and trying to get out?

"they showed that they can channel a recently dead person’s spirit"
I remember after doing that, the MC almost died under the gaze of that upside-down god, and the captain forbade him from doing it again. It’d be weird to try capturing her alive when it’s obvious she could take them all down single-handedly. They’d need some kind of stealth attack. They almost had a chance to just shoot her from the doorway—after all, the statue only started reacting when they got closer to the middle of the room.

"Are you talking about him being able to wake up from the slumber charm?"
He also freed himself from some stuff that was crawling under his skin and stopping him from moving. It felt similar to the control of that doll from episode 3. The fog just lifted it without any action from the MC.

"So they were asleep the whole time"
I still don’t get how this dream thing works. Like, if they win in the dream, everything’s fine and the result sticks; if they lose in the dream, it’s all pretend and doesn’t count? I remember writing around the early episodes that whenever it turns out the MC is in a dream, it kills my interest in what’s happening because he’ll just wake up in a couple of minutes, and it’s like nothing happened. Since then, it hasn’t really changed, even if it’s taken a different form. There’s just too much of this safety net for the characters. The MC might accidentally look in a mirror and spit out his heart, but it’ll probably turn out to be some soul form, or the fog will save him from whatever’s happening, or the captain will wake him up again.

Anyway, thanks for the answers.

This episode was absolutely amazing.
We usually watch Lord of Mysteries with its dense plot and fast-paced dialogues. But in this episode, that wasn’t the case—everything flowed smoothly.

There’s so much I want to discuss and ask, but maybe I’ll just type a few points.
I noticed the feather quill artifact again in this episode.

On another note, does this mean all this chaos was caused by a group of Beyonders from the Seer pathway who aim to summon the Primordial Demoness?
So this is what will threaten Tingen City.

Damn, the horror and brutality in this episode really left me stunned.

And then at the end, I saw Captain Dunn as if he was being controlled, and we know he ended up devouring Kenley’s corpse. Perhaps the one controlling him is still connected to that group of Seer pathway Beyonders.

@Denkenisme "they are normal 'police' as a disguise too"
Well, it’s unclear here. Usually, in such corrupt societies, the police are just errand boys for the nobility and obey them. But here, it’s like the police can go wherever they want, and everyone around just pretends they don’t exist.

"it was to show klein's nervousness i guess"
It’s still unclear why he’d be nervous if he’s in his spiritual form and could just fly out through an open window whenever, or why the curtains were moving from a draft. It feels like a random retcon, like he’s sneaking into a mansion, hiding behind trees, even though no one can see him and he can literally fly. He’s walking around the room, scared and hiding, when he could’ve just flown away ages ago. Then, bam, it’s like it doesn’t even matter—the whole suspense was just to spook the audience.

"sharon also sensed something but didn't see anything"
Apparently, not everyone gets that spider-sense like the MC does with their levels. I know there’s that belief that cats can see spirits and sometimes stare into empty corners, and this is probably a nod or a joke, but I’m surprised a cat handles it better than a level 6. It makes it feel like level 6 is not that big of a deal.

"also the doll was pulled back in by the force"
Maybe it was stored right by the entrance, otherwise it’s hard to understand how it was wandering around that giant storage with sliding compartments unnoticed.

"they saw was just a 'representation'"
Well, in the anime, they didn’t say a word about that, just “true creator” hanging there with a grin. Before, I think at the end of episode 4, the captain stared at it without any effect, which you could chalk up to it being a representation. But when the MC faced it, he started melting under its gaze, and only the captain showing up saved him.

"they didn't know she would be at least sequence 6"
It’s just weird. They know they can safely observe a level 8 through the MC, but a level 7 easily resists observation. Meanwhile, the MC, who’s at level 8, was casting spells on her from the fog, which enhances magic, and still couldn’t find anything. I’d have suspected a level 6+ at that point.

"woke up as soon as dunn cast his Nightmare Ability"
No, they already had a bit of a fight before she got caught by that dream ability.

"i wish klein had this much plot armor lmao"
The fog has already saved his life like four times, plus the captain or someone else has saved him several times from certain death at the last millisecond for cinematic moments. The plot armor is definitely there.

@OrigamistToo Why did Captain Dunn seem to be controlled at the end?
What or who was controlling him?
Then he became brutal and ate Kenley’s corpse.

@Denkenisme "they are normal 'police' as a disguise too"
Well, it’s unclear here. Usually, in such corrupt societies, the police are just errand boys for the nobility and obey them. But here, it’s like the police can go wherever they want, and everyone around just pretends they don’t exist.

"it was to show klein's nervousness i guess"
It’s still unclear why he’d be nervous if he’s in his spiritual form and could just fly out through an open window whenever, or why the curtains were moving from a draft. It feels like a random retcon, like he’s sneaking into a mansion, hiding behind trees, even though no one can see him and he can literally fly. He’s walking around the room, scared and hiding, when he could’ve just flown away ages ago. Then, bam, it’s like it doesn’t even matter—the whole suspense was just to spook the audience.

"sharon also sensed something but didn't see anything"
Apparently, not everyone gets that spider-sense like the MC does with their levels. I know there’s that belief that cats can see spirits and sometimes stare into empty corners, and this is probably a nod or a joke, but I’m surprised a cat handles it better than a level 6. It makes it feel like level 6 is not that big of a deal.

"also the doll was pulled back in by the force"
Maybe it was stored right by the entrance, otherwise it’s hard to understand how it was wandering around that giant storage with sliding compartments unnoticed.

"they saw was just a 'representation'"
Well, in the anime, they didn’t say a word about that, just “true creator” hanging there with a grin. Before, I think at the end of episode 4, the captain stared at it without any effect, which you could chalk up to it being a representation. But when the MC faced it, he started melting under its gaze, and only the captain showing up saved him.

"they didn't know she would be at least sequence 6"
It’s just weird. They know they can safely observe a level 8 through the MC, but a level 7 easily resists observation. Meanwhile, the MC, who’s at level 8, was casting spells on her from the fog, which enhances magic, and still couldn’t find anything. I’d have suspected a level 6+ at that point.

"woke up as soon as dunn cast his Nightmare Ability"
No, they already had a bit of a fight before she got caught by that dream ability.

"i wish klein had this much plot armor lmao"
The fog has already saved his life like four times, plus the captain or someone else has saved him several times from certain death at the last millisecond for cinematic moments. The plot armor is definitely there.

@OrigamistToo you replied to the wrong dude lol


First they are not actual actual police, they have police badges as a disguise and can act as police
Second the society isnt corrupt, there is just a lot of poverty due to the Grain Act and wars with neighboring countries


He was scared because hes still unsure of sharons abilities or even her sequence
High sequence beyonders or even some other mid sequence beyonders have a lot of means to resist a Spirit Body


Yeah seers and clowns have spiritual and danger intution
Other pathways also have this trait with even more potency
Why are you saying it like you want to beat up the MC for choosing the seer pathway lol



Yeah dont take it too seriously


I think you are confusing the True Creator and Eternal Blazing Sun
Eternal Blazing Sun is the orthodox deity and is worshipped by a Church (church of ebs)
Klein used Sealed Artifact 3-0782 and divined its origins
When he divined his origins he saw a drop of Divine Blood (which belongs to Eternal Blazing Sun) and when Klein divined the Divine Blood, he saw the True Body of the Eternal Blazing Sun
But because he was divining above the Gray fog, he only felt extreme pain (first half of ep6)

The True Creator is an evil existence that is worshipped by the Aurora Order
When dunn entered Hanass Vincents (magic mirror dude) dream, he saw a representation of the True Creator and his Spirit Body got damaged (because if he saw the actual body he would have instantly mutated)
Same thing happened when klein channeled the spirit of Sirius (ep7)


When did klein use the gray fog to divine about sharon? Can you give me a timestamp

Anyways this whole thing was a reasonable mistake by the nighthawks


Yes she was awake the whole time

@Skullwild
"you replied to the wrong dude lol" lol, I didn’t even notice, sorry man.

"First they are not actual actual police" well, to the average person, they’re basically just cops in this context. Still, there should be some balance to what they can and can’t do. They’ve got an emperor and a royal family, plus some fancy nobility, so it’s hard to imagine that small-time cops, who the nobles clearly look down on, have much power.

"He was scared because hes still unsure of sharons abilities or even her sequence" yeah, but why stay there trembling behind a curtain when he could’ve just flown away anytime? The woman was shocked she couldn’t detect an 8th-level. I’m curious how she even sensed he was 8th-level in the first place.

"Yeah seers and clowns have spiritual and danger intuition" sure, but visually it feels like almost every class can tap into the local Warp, shown as that space with the red full moon. That random rose guy at 8th-level was summoning that red moon for any old reason, so it doesn’t seem like something unique to just a couple of classes. There’s supposedly some separate spiritual world, but the main character only learned about it last episode, so it doesn’t seem like that’s what he’s seeing.

"think you are confusing the True Creator and Eternal Blazing Sun" nope, the same True Creator popped up that the captain saw, and the main character started freaking out and clutching his head over it. The captain, during a similar interaction, stood there stone-faced, taking no damage, and it wasn’t even mentioned in the next episode.

"When did klein use the gray fog to divine about sharon?" end of episode 10, before the credits, he was sitting over her portrait asking questions and getting no answers. He even said something like, “Is she really that strong?” since his divinations didn’t work against her.

@OrigamistToo
You are overthinking it, you still havent gotten enough information to make this conclusion
They are still under the Church of Evernight Goddess
Btw its not surprising that police and guards are standing there in case of any emergency


When did she say that klein is sequence 8


It was just a visual representation of him reciting a poem


We are talking about two seperate things
Danger intution is what it sounds like, it can sense life threatening danger before it happens
Spiritual intution is related to spiritual stuff happening around you (beyonders, spirit world creature, ...)
So a type of mystical sixth sense

When? What episode and where in the episode


Alright then the nighthawks made an error in judgment (ive said this multiple times)

@Skullwild dunn knew she was sequence 6, he just was confident since he isn't a normal sequence 7. This was explained in "that" chapter.

@OrigamistToo
"The captain, during a similar interaction, stood there stone-faced, taking no damage, and it wasn’t even mentioned in the next episode"
You missed it, in the next ep Dunn was shown coughing and visibly sic when talking about that scene.

@OrigamistToo Why did Captain Dunn seem to be controlled at the end?
What or who was controlling him?
Then he became brutal and ate Kenley’s corpse.

@Denkenisme "they are normal 'police' as a disguise too"
Well, it’s unclear here. Usually, in such corrupt societies, the police are just errand boys for the nobility and obey them. But here, it’s like the police can go wherever they want, and everyone around just pretends they don’t exist.

"it was to show klein's nervousness i guess"
It’s still unclear why he’d be nervous if he’s in his spiritual form and could just fly out through an open window whenever, or why the curtains were moving from a draft. It feels like a random retcon, like he’s sneaking into a mansion, hiding behind trees, even though no one can see him and he can literally fly. He’s walking around the room, scared and hiding, when he could’ve just flown away ages ago. Then, bam, it’s like it doesn’t even matter—the whole suspense was just to spook the audience.

"sharon also sensed something but didn't see anything"
Apparently, not everyone gets that spider-sense like the MC does with their levels. I know there’s that belief that cats can see spirits and sometimes stare into empty corners, and this is probably a nod or a joke, but I’m surprised a cat handles it better than a level 6. It makes it feel like level 6 is not that big of a deal.

"also the doll was pulled back in by the force"
Maybe it was stored right by the entrance, otherwise it’s hard to understand how it was wandering around that giant storage with sliding compartments unnoticed.

"they saw was just a 'representation'"
Well, in the anime, they didn’t say a word about that, just “true creator” hanging there with a grin. Before, I think at the end of episode 4, the captain stared at it without any effect, which you could chalk up to it being a representation. But when the MC faced it, he started melting under its gaze, and only the captain showing up saved him.

"they didn't know she would be at least sequence 6"
It’s just weird. They know they can safely observe a level 8 through the MC, but a level 7 easily resists observation. Meanwhile, the MC, who’s at level 8, was casting spells on her from the fog, which enhances magic, and still couldn’t find anything. I’d have suspected a level 6+ at that point.

"woke up as soon as dunn cast his Nightmare Ability"
No, they already had a bit of a fight before she got caught by that dream ability.

"i wish klein had this much plot armor lmao"
The fog has already saved his life like four times, plus the captain or someone else has saved him several times from certain death at the last millisecond for cinematic moments. The plot armor is definitely there.

@OrigamistToo
You are overthinking it, you still havent gotten enough information to make this conclusion
They are still under the Church of Evernight Goddess
Btw its not surprising that police and guards are standing there in case of any emergency


When did she say that klein is sequence 8


It was just a visual representation of him reciting a poem


We are talking about two seperate things
Danger intution is what it sounds like, it can sense life threatening danger before it happens
Spiritual intution is related to spiritual stuff happening around you (beyonders, spirit world creature, ...)
So a type of mystical sixth sense

When? What episode and where in the episode


Alright then the nighthawks made an error in judgment (ive said this multiple times)

@Skullwild
"You are overthinking it"
What was the conversation even about originally? Something like, "Why didn’t anyone notice a crowd of nobles with purple eyes standing at attention in the meeting hall from morning to night?"

"When did she say that klein is sequence 8"
Right after she hugged him at the start of the fight, like, "You’re only level 8! How did you manage to hide from me? Tell me your secret."

"So a type of mystical sixth sense"
Okay then, it seems he just didn’t know he could travel through the spiritual world but could see it with his special vision. Although, when he activates it, the red moon appears too, as if he’s not looking into the spiritual world but into just warp again.

"When? What episode and where in the episode"
In the cliffhanger of episode 4, the captain was staring at him. The MC saw him around episode 7 or 8, in the one where he went to the library and was surprised by coincidences.

@Tmdcmnr
"You missed it"
I remember the MC asking the captain about his wounds, but from the context, it’s clear he was asking about wounds from the clown fight, since only a few days had passed since those events, and they were getting ready for another fight, as far as I recall. In the scene with the captain and the upside-down guy, the captain didn’t take any damage.

@OrigamistToo
it was about klein being able to go into the government building


hmm seems i've been wrong about demoness of pleasure not having spirit vision
when reaching sequence 7 Witch they get divination capabilities and also get spirit vision
so it seems the donghua made a mistake; sharon could have seen kleins spirit body but for some reason didn't (?)
and now this also explains why she could sense that klein is a sequence 8 beyonder and also because she was right next to klein at that moment

this whole scene was played out VERY differently in the novel iirc
sharon was outside and klein sneaked into her room using clowns abilities (not spirit body) and just looked inside and found a safe
he then summoned his spirit body and looked inside the safe and found sharon's old photo and demoness statue and then left her house
(but she had a bunch of silk like spiderwebs in the room that were broken so she knew someone infiltrated her house)

uhh good job for figuring this out i guess



yeah i think you missed it
it was at the very start of ep5

@Skullwild

"sharon could have seen kleins spirit body but for some reason didn't"
Well, during the fight, it was pretty much the first time she saw him, though she remembered some kind of his presence.

"this whole scene was played out VERY differently in the novel iirc"
So it turns out that the whole scene with the captain and that other background guy with the cleft chin was basically unnecessary. Maybe it was needed to somehow explain why the MC is suddenly alone in that chase scene, which was also made up for the anime. In the book, was the MC just standing in the mansion, twirling a knife in a ritual to rummage through the safe as a spirit? Was he alone during the search there too? Because the captain wouldn’t have appreciated his self-summoning spell like in the anime.

"yeah i think you missed it"
Looks like I did miss it, though it’s not surprising. The MC’s encounter with the upside-down guy was way more dramatic, but at the same time, it had no consequences for him at all.