bitchassdarius said: jal90 said: Wow, you went far there. Well, I'm done after the 19021832949th iteration of you telling me that the show is not deep, thanks for not reading. yeah i didn't read your 95 theses even though i went point-by-point dismantling your post lol to sum up the progression of your argument "comic girls isn't shallow" "well no i didn't say it was deep" "yes i never said comic girls was deep" "... not shallow != deep?" lol backpedaling for days My initial argument is that it wasn't a show to "turn your brain off and watch". Fairly different than "this show is deep". Requiring a somewhat active thinking, evoking emotional states or finding an emotional or thematic connection with the show are not the same as the show being filled with depth but it sure makes a case against the turning the brain off routine. If you disagree with this I'm fine, just don't put stuff in my words I never said. Now stop feeding this discussion, it goes nowhere. |
bitchassdarius said: jal90 said: My initial argument is that it wasn't a show to "turn your brain off and watch". Now stop feeding this discussion, it goes nowhere. he wrote sarcastically retroactively changing what you said is the definition of backpedaling, sorry bud. try again Yeah, because it's not completely shallow. Now, where do you read here that it is deep? It must be funny to see the world in black or white filters but that doesn't justify to keep quoting me and trying to beat this dead horse of a discussion again and again. |
| The funny thing is that like 99% of this discussion is caused by me assuming that the idea that depth and shallowness are not absolutes was common sense, and that we can talk about a degree of depth in Comic Girls while not putting it in the same necessary level as, I dunno, a Serial experiments Lain. But I guess it's my common sense the one that is fucked up here. Whatever. Have a good day and all. |
Vyzass said: jarring said: anime as an industry is all fan service. "deep" or "intelligent" anime is also a type of fan service to cater to young boys and girls that like to feel smart for watching a particular show. Well said. Besides, people who like and understand Texhnolyze,Serial Experiment Lain, Tatami Galaxy, Monster,LoGH etc are not more or less intelligent than people who like To Love Ru, Highschool DxD, Keijo etc. It's not like you become Albert Einstein, Aristotle, Plato, just because you like and understand LoGH,Monster, Serial Experiment Lain nor does your exam grade or CGPA improve just because you are fan of those shows. "Deep" or "intelligent" anime are a type of fan service too just like ecchi anime. I mean, I understood Tatami Galaxy just fine and I would kind of go against the notion that it's even that deep, as much as it is just communicative of an idea. It isn't exactly subtle about it, it just kind of explores it in relation to centering a narrative about character growth around it. If we begin using "has an idea it explores" in tandem with "deep and intellectual" then whew. Might be easy to classify it as one of the so-called "elitist" anime because it's aesthetically quite removed from the standard, mainstream idea of an "anime" aesthetic and it has a clear theme it establishes and pries into, but it's not...something that takes an intellectual to understand at all. But w/e, I immediately began this post by digressing from the main thing I was wanting to address, so cool shit on my end it seems >_> I agree with the basic idea that intellect isn't determined by taste or even if you take a critical approach to the series you watch or not, but that's mostly in measurement to the individual in question and is to be taken on a case-by-case basis. Somebody who likes Lain or Tex or whatever can be a total dumbass, yeah, that's true. But the approach of seeking out shows, trying to understand their mechanics, critically assess their quality and wanting them to explore certain themes or ideas and seeking to understand and hold discourse over the sorts of ideas it presented? Yes, that's a more intellectually oriented approach to the medium and referring to it as such isn't arrogant or "elitist" at all in of itself. It's how it is, and it's fine being that way. Maybe it's because of the connotations of the words - "intellectual" sounds a lot better than "perverse" to the average ear, I'd assume - but if you just sort of look at it in a non-plussed way both labels are fair to be applied to and there isn't any issue with applying one to either given approach. It is simply what they are and what the ultimate endgoal in the type of stimulation being sought out is. And that's fine. Hence why people focus on elitism as an attitude and not a measure of the type of shows they watch, and why wantonly trying to apply it to people who like certain types of shows for having the audacity of being honest about the type of thing they desire and wish to see more of and the type of approach they take in consuming anime isn't exactly much better than somebody who sits there, likes these more mentally-oriented series, and just uses that to spout off "hurr durr this guy likes TLR so he's obviously just a basement dweller who can't get a girlfriend." But more importantly, 'cause fanservice > all, it's not really fanservice if it has a narrative centered around exploring thoughts and ideas. Fanservice in general is something that functions independently of an overarching narrative, in order to be more audience-oriented and aiming at providing a kind of thing to response to or give it a type of stimulation. Usually for sexy times or people who are just really into characters themselves and not the role they fill, and it can be applied to things like embellishment of cool action scenes and what have you as much as so. Saying that a narrative or idea is a form of fanservice because of what it sets out to achieve or explore being something that's "trying to stimulate an audience somehow" is...well, just absurdly reductive, not only to whatever narrative is in question but also fanservice as well, honestly. Because it seeks to please or entertain an audience somehow, seeks to "stimulate" them in its own way, doesn't correlate it into being a fanservice-oriented product. Fanservice is functionally different than just being "audience pleasing" or "aiming to be pleasing to an audience," even if technically that's how it can be considered in purpose. |
ManabanMay 13, 2018 10:14 AM
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| Since I have below average intelligence, I prefer not watching shows which are deep. I'm not well read, so I hardly understand all the deep shit that the anime is trying to portray. |
Manyaa_-May 13, 2018 10:53 AM
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| If I watch a shallow series for entertainment value then it has to be upfront about the shallow premise and just be fun and not pretend it's a wealth of ideas. I won't say what I love and appreciate has incredible depth but I do think there are tons of strength and a fountain of ideas people just sleep on and pretend aren't there for pretty basic bitch reasons. I'm fine with both, it just depends on the tone. |
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| @jal90 I'm genuinely surprised. Are you even human? Where did you got your patience to endure such toxicity? |
Hrybami said: @jal90 I'm genuinely surprised. Are you even human? Where did you got your patience to endure such toxicity? Don't mind him, he is heavily influenced by Digibro and overthinking is his strength. |
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Gridley said: Hrybami said: @jal90 I'm genuinely surprised. Are you even human? Where did you got your patience to endure such toxicity? Don't mind him, he is heavily influenced by Digibro and overthinking is his strength. xDDDD being influenced by Digibro is not that bad, I can learn to make money with my wrong opinions. To @Hrybami: I wonder myself. Masochism I guess. And never knowing when to put an end to stuff like this. |
| I love deep animes such as SAO. Darling in the franxx, though, was way too hard for me to understand, maybe after I graduate philosophy I will try to rewatch it |
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| Darling in the franxx is not deep lol. That anime is anything but deep. To be fair, I prefer that types of anime. In my opinion, mystery, horror, thriller and psychological are the best genres that the anime world can offer. Easygoing series are fine.... but many of them are just boring. It's not that types of anime are bad but not everything need to be just 'turn your brain off', and the weird thing is that are excessive. I love when an anime try to make you think, for example, one of my favourite anime: Shinsekai yori. |
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