Should I watch Boku dake wa Inai Machi (Erased)?

They just put tons of themes in it without exploring anything. Then the cute bland girl Madoka suffers for no reason while Mami's dead is also cheap and so on.

pteroz said:


I'm talking about completed anime on your list ...

Isterio said:

I cannot tell if your purposefully pretend to not understand me or if you actually didn´t understand what I tried to convey. I´ve seen something different in the scene you´ve described than you did.



There are like a million experiments that confirm this behaviour. Wanna know one? Google Stanford Prison experiment

kamisama751 said:

Your example doesn’t fit this situation since they are threated(treated threatened? what does this mean) over time there but Kayo’s mother is just hit once and divorced. Explain to me where you got those details from. Currently the only source I can think of would be your ass. Maybe it was lost in translation, but that seems unlikely.

You can actually read on that paper (is in kanji) So you´re telling me that you stopped the scene ,to read the divorce papers and that the author went out of his way to write down on the divoirce papers "my husband hit me only once specifically"she got a new “husband” who is just a chunk (what does that have to do with anything regarding the forced tragedy of that scene?.
I haven’t noticed Kayo’s mother getting abused by the new one.[b]( this is why I explained that she´s a nutcase and can´t be forgiven).Better give me a real life experiment result about people like Kayo’s mother.

Did you actually read the Stanford Prison Experiment?
I´m sure you didn´t.
If you cannot draw the conclusion yourself I´d gladly explain to you why it´s applicable to Kayo´s mom. If you´re too lazy to read it yourself though, forgett it.


Seems like I have expressed it wrong. What I originally wanted to say with this is that scene being the first time of her abusing makes the most sense. Since this is the earliest time (in show) we see her abusing. There aren’t hints for not being this or anything either.

Human psychology doesn´t make consistent sense. Like I said it´s not a mathematical equation. We are individuals because our psyche works different.
The only thing that changes is the relateability to Kayo´s mothers behaviour.
You could relate "the most" to her during that first incidence.
A psychologist considers her later behaviour more typical for an abusive case.


Where did you get that info from? Your ass seems still to be the no 1 source.





Wrong, the creator only created a character that blames himself from her point of view. The creator wrote a character that blamed himself for the horrible events that took place, due to her shortcomings as a parent.
Parental selfblame is a common psychological trait. The majority of parents actually distribute it, when they witness their children fail at something.
The viewers are encouraged to sympathise with the main character. Satoru, the main characters point of view towards this situation is disgust, the same ill feeling Kayo has towards her mother and her selfpity. Kayo the character, the audience, was made to care and hope for, for 7 1/2 episodes before this event takes place.



As they said themselves, character development is when they develop, aka character change over time. What they have done is giving Kayo another personality with a time skip. The problem is we don’t see this so-called development because it happens off-screen.

We do not see her having Sex with Hiromi and conceiving or birthing that child , We do not see her inner monologues during when she´s on screen either, still we noticed the development. Development is noticed through change.
Fact is Kayo did change. We see her being taller, we see her being more feminim and we see her more happy than ever.

It´s character development wether you wanna admit it or not.

The same way we see Kintaro being capable of Karate, a pro in computer science or that he´s a splendind Ramen cook. While we do see him perform some of those tasks many of them develop their details or even whole off screen.


Yes, forgot that one.


So you mean some opinions have higher values but they are still all opinions? I can agree with this but some still got higher values even though they are all opinions. :P

Well there is the negative infinity which should be equally high as the positive infinity, but what about the real infinity? That infinity contains both of them and all the other infinities with the exception of the imaginary infinity.

But all of them are infinite nonetheless.You know why? Cause all of them are imaginary.


Basically saying “it is subjective so it can’t be wrong”. Am I right?
Only math is truly objective! And even the mathematicians debate that amongst themselves....


We are talking about anime, not psychology in that part.

I intended to throw in music, music is art, art is culture, culture is based upon the capability of conciousness. I could go on, but that´s what I want to avoid.


Haven’t seen that so I don’t know. But I can say that quality of a show is objective. Humans try but never fully completely measured it. However, approaching the objective quality is always possible and there are also standards for it.
In addition, thank you for the unintentional recommendation.

kamisama751 said:
@Isterio
Are you mad? :D
I can still say that since Kayo's mother is just shown hit once without implying anything regarding over time abuse she just got hit once. (And i can read kanji.)
While I have also gave you an example of objective quality before but you ignored it with "Sigmund Freud jerk off".

What about ending this conversation here? We are just too different and won't understand each other anyways.

kamisama751 said:

Good that you like that spoiler name. xD
And don’t know how your response counters me. You have also NOT explained how you perceive it different (based on your logic). So I can only be right. The scene is objectively seen forced drama.
Of course there are people who receive certain things different and can’t even justify it.


Showing her crying like a victim is obligatory wanting us to forgive her. Your words abour her behavior only supported me. Then, the grandmother blames herself so Kayo’s mother becomes a “victim”. This is exactly what I am talking about since she still abused her child and therefore isn’t one. Just because your parents threat you like sh*t doesn’t mean your frequent abuse of your child is excused, same with your encounter. “Now show us her crying. Look, she is just another victim. Let’s forgive her.”


Don’t understand how this counters my argument either. If you got abused and still can threat you child well then it only shows how sh*t Kayo’s mother actually is. There is also no character development for Kayo. It is just a character change with a time skip. Character development works different.


The only thing I have shown you so far is what the show actually is (and your arguments about the show actually supported me). Also, if I back up my “opinion” (which is the truth in this case) then my opinions have more weight than other ones. Therefore, opinions can have different values. Some of them are there for being taken seriously and some of them are there for being ignored. If you back up your opinion, then your words can be right or wrong since you need to do it with objectively seen right or wrong things.
“Talking down on people from an arrogant horse won´t change that.” Proof it or is it just another “opinion” with no weight because it is not backed up? :D


xD


*Throws all the examples out of the window* We are talking about anime here.
Plot holes are undeniably plot holes and always makes the plot worse. If you take a show and fix the plot holes (without changing anything else) then it is objectively seen better. That is an example of objective quality.


You mean the "shocked dead"? Man that was just a lame excuse. What could have possibly "shocked" her to dead.


Okay.


They just put tons of themes in it without exploring anything. Then the cute bland girl Madoka suffers for no reason while Mami's dead is also cheap and so on.

kamisama751 said:

You mean a random girl who you met for only a few days is automatically your best friend? No.
The cheapness of Mami's dead has also to do with what comes after it since it is what the dead is for. Look, their world is "cruel" but then they completely failed for showing us that (explain it afterwards). Therefore, her dead has no meaning. While just because someone actually dies in this show doesn't mean it is automatically good.
Now the themes: They have thrown in many interesting ones such as "If your soul is no more attached to your body, are you still yourself?" or the position of females in society but they never explored any of them.
Then Madoka suffers for no reason. She suffers from deciding between becoming a magical girl or not till the end of the series (and also does nothing till then) but why? Why does she even suffer from this? What merit has she if chooses to? No acceptable words given. Also if you want to say Madoka isn't bland then you should describe what personality she got besides random suffering for no reason.
Kyoko's choise of dying with that blue hair girll is also illogical. Why des she even decide to die with her?
Additionally, the length does not excuse the quality. You can still tell a wonderful story with this length (throw some sh*t away) or expand it to two cours.

While just because someone actually dies in this show doesn't mean it is automatically good.

Also if you want to say Madoka isn't bland then you should describe what personality she got besides random suffering for no reason.

They have thrown in many interesting ones such as "If your soul is no more attached to your body, are you still yourself?" or the position of females in society but they never explored any of them.

Kyoko's choise of dying with that blue hair girll is also illogical. Why des she even decide to die with her?

Additionally, the length does not excuse the quality.

Sukeroku said:


You two sure are entertaining.

It really is up to you if you want to watch the show. It was a decent watch.

hasyly said:
Why it has so high score when reviews for it are medicore? I don't know should I watch it?