Ace vs Natsu

lupadim said:
One of the best antagonists? W H A T?

I could list pretty much dozens of antagonists that were better.

Crocodile, Enel, Mihawk, Aokiji (even though he changes later), Kizaru, Issho, Sengoku, Zephyr, Kuma, and 4 others that I can't remember the name.

Nicobade said:
Whenever a logia character gets put up against another character from a different series that can control the same element, e.g Gaara vs Crocodile, there is always tons of people who just say that the other character wins because they can control the logia character since they turn into the element. But its not like logias just randomly turn into that element and then nothing happens. They are supposed to be able to control their body in elemental form and there is no way to prove that somehow another character would have the ability to override someone else's control over that element.

Now in this case since its Ace vs Natsu, a dragon slayer, it works differently because Natsu eats the element instead of controlling. But again we cannot assume that he would be able to eat Ace anymore than he could override Ace's control of his fire (Natsu can't actually control pre-existing fire so this isn't possible at all). Natsu has absorbed other characters fire within the FT universe several times before but those characters merely created fire and used it as projectiles instead of trying to truly control it so we don't know what would happen if Natsu faced off against someone who actually was manipulating and moving fire.

SetsukoHara said:
You don't even remember the name of those guys and you still think they are better than Blackbeard... LOL.

Blackbeard is my favorite character in One Piece. A great villain indeed!

Forgetfulness said:
What's your reasoning behind "great Sakazuki" then?

Sung-Hwan said:
What makes Blackbeard a great antagonist, is that he is essentially what Luffy would be if he acted like an actual pirate. He doesn't even know (or care) what distinguishes good and evil, is surprisingly friendly despite his malevolent nature, exceedingly intelligent despite his perceived dumbness, and is deceptively powerful.

Forgetfulness said:
What's your reasoning behind "great Sakazuki" then?

Sung-Hwan said:

Sakazuki is a great antagonist because of how contradicting his character is. He is an admiral in the World Government that is supposedly meant to protect the innocent, yet has no qualms of indiscriminate murder to achieve his ends. He doesn't even care about executing his own marines if they displease him. He is basically an insane tyrant that is backed up by his military standing to make him seem like a good person.

Also, Caesar later commented that Akainu would likely employ him for his weapons of mass destruction for use against pirates. I hope this is played upon later.

Cupquake said:
Hey

Let's not forget that Natsu is quite strong physically as well

Plus he has infinite plot armor and namaka powah

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