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Sure, she's beautiful, built, athletic and smart, but despite all of those "God-given" gifts, she's shallow, self-centered, arrogant and cruel.
The only reason she doesn't have any friends is because she believes nobody's good enough for her.
I've watched the entire series and have yet to find a single admirable trait that she wasn't granted at birth, and all she's done with those gifts is to become insufferable and mean-spirited.

I just don't see the attraction.
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Jun 4, 2013 10:58 AM
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Because tits.
Jun 4, 2013 11:38 AM
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Paul said:
Because tits.

Ever hear of a thing called gravity?
It's gonna wreck havoc on her in the not too distant future.

But seriously, people can't think she's the best female character in the series based solely on her bust-size.
At least I hope not.
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The_Gray_Otaku said:
Paul said:
Because tits.

Ever hear of a thing called gravity?
It's gonna wreck havoc on her in the not too distant future.

>Anime.
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The_Gray_Otaku said:
I just don't see the attraction.


1) They really don't show her being cruel to other people (except for Yusa), so it is easy for people to overlook that aspect of her personality while dissing Yozora when she plays turnaround.
2) The anime goes out of its way to show her as "lonely", so it makes it easy for people to feel sorry for her.
3) Because viewers tend to see themselves as the MC, and Sena is okay with him.
4) God in his infinite wisdom gave men two heads, but only enough blood to use one at a time.
Jun 4, 2013 12:01 PM
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She's honest, and in this anime world of generic harems its just refreshing to have a female lead that says "Yeah I like you, lets get together?".

Shame the male lead is a bit of a wuss, but I'd rather Sena over the other girl...eerrrr childhood friend was-a-boy-now-a-girl chick?

But yeah, thats my opinion. She's just a lot more likable in my eyes.

But to be honest I'm rooting for the maid. Cus why not?
Jun 4, 2013 12:25 PM
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Because she's THE MEAT of the story.
Jun 4, 2013 4:01 PM
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Her face was so cute.... moe moe kyun xD
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Takuan_Soho said:
The_Gray_Otaku said:
I just don't see the attraction.


1) They really don't show her being cruel to other people (except for Yusa), so it is easy for people to overlook that aspect of her personality while dissing Yozora when she plays turnaround.
2) The anime goes out of its way to show her as "lonely", so it makes it easy for people to feel sorry for her.
3) Because viewers tend to see themselves as the MC, and Sena is okay with him.
4) God in his infinite wisdom gave men two heads, but only enough blood to use one at a time.


1) Perhaps, but the cruelty of that one encounter certainly made that side of her quite apparent. And yes, I'm biased towards Yozora, but Sena's treatment of her after the plagiarism incident also showed just how cruel Sena can be imo.
2)As I see it, Sena is only "lonely" because she honestly believes herself to be too good for everyone else. Not a particularly ingratiating personality trait in my book.
3)Kodaka is OK with all of the club members, and seems to be quite taken with Rika as far as season 2 would lead us to believe.
Heck, even a Yozora fan like myself is coming to appreciate Rika more with every episode, whereas every time I start to think Sena might not be as bad as I had previously thought, she comes up with a way to make me think she's actually worse!
4) Can't argue with you there. For the most part, we're hopeless. :(
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Paul said:
Because tits.

The most obvious answer..

and also I think it's because she's always bullied by Yozora so most of the watchers are on her side..
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i'm so glad you started this topic since there was a yozora hate topic elsewhere, we yozora "fans?" gatta speak out! :3

CrescentYozora25 said:
Paul said:
Because tits.

The most obvious answer..

and also I think it's because she's always bullied by Yozora so most of the watchers are on her side..


as paul said I think it's because of the sexual attraction too. there was a lot of scenes for fan serve where her boobs makes unnecessary bounces....=_=.. really people? what is this world turning into?!

another reason is that I think people is pitying her from the first season. because she was "lonely". I could kinda tell in the first season, the author set the story up with the childhood friend background of yozora planning for them to get back together. but the perverted society has shown that they prefer sena more. so that's why I kept watching this season waiting for some yozora moments, but there were barely any.
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I think she's it's endearing how honest and naive she can be. Even with her beauty, brains, money, narcissism, she was quite earnest and sincere about things. Idk, but imo she's a sweetheart.
Jun 5, 2013 8:34 PM

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Because her lips.
Jun 7, 2013 1:07 AM

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Let me see,this question is equivalent to why do people like girls with big tits and nice ass.
About 90% of her fans are because of her appearence the rest of them likes her cheerful atitude,finds funny her obsession with Kodaka's sister and some other reasons that now dont come out of my mind.
It cant be helped.Strip Sena's tits and ass,give them to Yozora,Rika or Yukimura and see the result.The fan numbers will drop while the ones with tits and ass will face an overgrowth.
Also the fanservice the producers gave helped Sena become more popular.
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Jun 9, 2013 7:11 AM
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Because Buriki.

The_Gray_Otaku said:
Takuan_Soho said:
The_Gray_Otaku said:
I just don't see the attraction.

3) Because viewers tend to see themselves as the MC, and Sena is okay with him.

3)Kodaka is OK with all of the club members, and seems to be quite taken with Rika as far as season 2 would lead us to believe.

You misunderstood TS's point. Basically, it's the fact that she was able to develop her love for Kodaka - overcoming her normally arrogant attitude - that makes her moe~. In contrast, Yozora's still at the point where she can't really get past Kodaka as her long lost best friend.

The_Gray_Otaku said:

1) Perhaps, but the cruelty of that one encounter certainly made that side of her quite apparent. And yes, I'm biased towards Yozora, but Sena's treatment of her after the plagiarism incident also showed just how cruel Sena can be imo.

Yozora is entirely undeserving of sympathy in that particular story, and Sena's (and everyone else's) anger towards Yozora is entirely deserved. You can tell that the author is particularly disdainful of plagiarists.

The_Gray_Otaku said:
Sure, she's beautiful, built, athletic and smart, but despite all of those "God-given" gifts, she's shallow, self-centered, arrogant and cruel.

That sounds a lot like a description of Yozora (aside from "built" which I assume to be a euphemism for "busty" and perhaps, but not necessarily, "athletic"). If the novels/anime have shown anything, it's that Yozora is incredibly petty/jealous and proves herself far more cruel than Sena on a far more consistent basis.

Obviously Sena has her flaws, but it's mostly stemming from her blatant arrogance which is actually somewhat justified given her ridiculous wealth of natural ability. It doesn't make arrogance attractive, but it does make Sena incredibly attractive when she eases off. Her bluntness (pointing out Kodaka's physical features, hitting him where it hurts) is made up for by her honesty (admitting her love in spite of his "flaws"). (Yes, bluntness and honesty are essentially the same thing; honesty is her best and worst feature.)

In terms of physical attractiveness, it isn't just the fact that she has massive mammaries that gives her an edge over Yozora (for the record, I'm perfectly okay with pettanko), it's also her face, hair, eyes, and that butterfly. Obviously it's subjective, but Buriki's artwork is just fantastic, especially for Sena.

On the subject of "meat", she has been portrayed as genuinely sweet by accepting "niku" as a nickname (even though Yozora didn't really intend it to be endearing). She's shown that she wants to be Yozora's friend on multiple occasions, but Yozora has consistently treated Sena as nothing more than an enemy who can "steal" Kodaka away from her (the same can be said for Yozora's treatment of every other female in the harem with the exception of the two loli, though IIRC even Kobato was viewed with antagonism before she was revealed to be Kodaka's sister).
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Like her? Ha! I hate her, Yozora is way better.
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Because she's sweet and actually makes an effort to make some friends unlike Yozora who only created this club to be with Kodaka instead of just telling him and bullies her all the time.
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I think some people on here like her because she is a blonde, with big tits, and unlike most female characters, not afraid to express herself.

You can almost say that is the ideal woman these anime fan love so much
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I actually like Yozora's looks/design better than Sena's (even more w/ long hair), but Sena's personality is better IMO.
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Because we heard that you hate her.
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I feel like this thread will turn into a debate between Yozora vs Sena.

Let me tell you a shocking truth,I'm not forced to be nice to you.Being nice to someone it means you seek to be liked by many people,seeking attention,Sena is an attention whore no matter how you put it.
However being picky on whom you're being nice to is kinda risky because of how sociaty works.
And I have a feeling that most of you that are Sena fans used to cast away anyone that acted not to your liking,staying true to themselves,but actually caring about you.
Yozora's relationship with those around her is similar to older brother/sister-young sister/brother.They act like they dont get along but they,actually,do care about one another.Yozora basically took care of everyone in the club,except Kodaka,while keeping the distance(see ep.8,if I recall right,the kitten scene with Yozora,and you'll understand much of things).
Attention whoring + awesome body works on the majority of boys,in our case Sena's popularity is being helped by fanservice and the spam of the administrator of facebook page.
Attention whores,dont get the term wrong I'm not using it as an offense or as a compliment,will always win,especially when comes to superficial love,over the reclusive girls.
A boy that notices a girl only after she's attention whoring then,for a reclusive girl,he doesnt worth the effort.
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Sena is an attention whore no matter how you put it.


Sena is the exact opposite of an attention whore. She literally doesn't care what other people think, she is perfectly happy playing her eroge. That people do pay attention to her is something that she receives without effort on her part, it's as natural as rain for her. If people didn't pay attention to her, far from seeking to garner it, she would assume that those who don't grant automatically grant it to her aren't worthy of receiving her attention.

Sena's appeal is that she is the unobtainable goddess (which is how she views herself), but in the case of the MC she IS obtainable. So what she really is for her fans is the really hot smoking girl from High School that didn't even recognize their existence, who in secret is a closet pervert who wants to be abused and who is really secretly "into" them. That is the dream fulfillment of nearly every male high schooler who wasn't the school "jock".
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Well, I am kind of biased after watching lots of Lala from To Love-Ru.

However, having someone like Sena is very special. Someone who is a genius, athletic, and attractive. Compared to some of the other anime characters with similar background to Sena, her self-centered and arrogant attitude is not out of the ordinary.

On top of having all of the good features, Sena's father owns the institution, thus giving Sena full immunity at school. It is like if anyone tries to confront with Sena, they would face expulsion. Likewise, any demerits that Sena earns would instantly be cleared by her father. Add the fact that the boys act as her servants, this gives Sena the feeling the she is on top of everyone else.

I also feel that Sena feels very insecure and tries to act pompous to defend her Kashiwazaki heritage. The Kashiwazaki estate probably had a series of accomplishments, which led to their great wealth. Sena probably wants to prove herself worthy of inheriting this title from her father so she tries to act as she is on top of everyone.

While Sena does look spoiled, she is not as extreme as some of the other characters (or people in real life) I have seen. Compared to them, Sena does not get escorted everywhere she goes, does not travel privately in a limousine anywhere she goes while making others walk, and does not repeatedly use money or influence to enforce her demands on a regular basis (Except to confront with Aoi).

Apparently, I find it interesting that Sena chooses to attend and devote to the club. Probably a milestone to her recovery.

I really don't get Yozora at all. If she wanted a club with just Kodaka and her, why would she post those recruitment posters up in the first place. Even though the poster was encrypted in special manner, it will eventually be cracked no matter how secure it is. In the original season, I found Yozora's bullying tactics more like trying to keep everyone under control. However, in NEXT, it feels like Yozora is doing this out of her enjoyment noting that she is happy when Sena's crying.

What really turned me off for Yozora was her preference to be in the underground world. She gets nausea just for being in a crowd and holds an extreme grudge against popular people. Yozora is probably jealous of the all the good features that popular people enjoy given her quote "popularity should have limits." On top of that, Yozora seems to want to guide the club toward her preferences (such as trying to convince the club not to participate in the school festival).
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Her attitude is exactly what attention whoring requires.Spit out whatever you want while not caring about others around you.Dont get me wrong I havent said Sena is attention whoring out of blue and without reason.I had a frustration but it cleared out as soon as I casted out Sena fans attitudes.Just wanting to make myself clear that I dont say things out of hatred or envy or anything.
Acting and saying she's a "goddess",a.k.a superior to others,is exactly what attention whoring requires,to begin with.
I can act as an attention whore,you can,everyone can but while with friends you're the reclusive one.
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Because she has big tits.
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BloodyNightsky said:
I feel like this thread will turn into a debate between Yozora vs Sena.

It started off as a Sena bashing thread and the OP himself admitted his preference for Yozora (which is when this became Sena vs. Yozora thread - which is just a step above a Sena bashing thread).

Let me tell you a shocking truth,I'm not forced to be nice to you.Being nice to someone it means you seek to be liked by many people,seeking attention,Sena is an attention whore no matter how you put it.

If being nice means you're an attention whore, then why is Sena an attention whore? I'm going to ignore that statement, because it's contradictory with Sena's character. She's an attention whore, but she specifically doesn't act nice because she doesn't think she should have to pander to people who don't recognize her self-supposed greatness.

It is however true that Sena is an attention whore because she wants people to like her. She thinks that if she does impressive things that people will admire her, but it actually ends up making other girls hate her. She specifically doesn't pander or act nice because she believes that doing admirable things should be enough to make people like her (and she gets frustrated that they don't).

However being picky on whom you're being nice to is kinda risky because of how sociaty works.

Everyone is picky with regards to who they're nice to. Being indiscriminately kind to others is basically a way of telling them that they're not particularly special. In fact, this is an element used in other stories to create friction between a protagonist and a potential love interest.

And I have a feeling that most of you that are Sena fans used to cast away anyone that acted not to your liking,staying true to themselves,but actually caring about you.

Don't mix reality with fiction. Also, I don't really get why you'd say that. You could make the same unfounded allegation about people who prefer Yozora over Sena - that Yozora fans "used to cast away anyone that acted not to your liking, staying true to themselves, but actually caring about you" (which applies to Sena who is actually more true to herself than either Yozora or Rika).

Yozora's relationship with those around her is similar to older brother/sister-young sister/brother.They act like they dont get along but they,actually,do care about one another.Yozora basically took care of everyone in the club,except Kodaka,while keeping the distance(see ep.8,if I recall right,the kitten scene with Yozora,and you'll understand much of things).

Yozora has consistently been irked by Kodaka's ability to draw girls to the club. The other girls have had well-defined developments that make them more amiable to becoming friends with each other. While I do believe that Yozora could make the same type of development, she still lets jealousy and pettiness dominate her behaviour.

Attention whoring + awesome body works on the majority of boys,in our case Sena's popularity is being helped by fanservice and the spam of the administrator of facebook page.

That doesn't justify starting a thinly-veiled Sena-bashing thread. For the same reason that I don't like Yozora (pettiness with respect to another girl's attractiveness), I don't like your comment about people only liking Sena for her looks. She's more than just meat.

Attention whores,dont get the term wrong I'm not using it as an offense or as a compliment,will always win,especially when comes to superficial love,over the reclusive girls.
A boy that notices a girl only after she's attention whoring then,for a reclusive girl,he doesnt worth the effort.

That's not really true. In my opinion, Nagato Yuki is the best girl in Melancholy. Haruhi's the attention whore in that, so I should automatically prefer her?? Nonsense.

Basically, you're overlooking Sena's good points just because she's sexy and she knows it. That's just as bad as ignoring Yozora's good points - she's pretty, smart and, like all of the other girls, loves Kodaka (in her own repressed kind of way). Ultimately, the reason I like Sena more is because I see those good points about her and it overcomes her bad points. In Yozora's case, I can't really say the same.

This is all subjective, and people will disagree. That's fine. But this thread started off as a Sena bashing thread. If Sena's fair game, then so is Yozora.

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I'm not ignoring anything,stop commenting like I have anything against her.
Also the reference with being nice isnt about Sena,I'm was saying that Yozora at first was picky and wanted Kodaka just for her.Basically I said she wasnt forced to like Sena or others.
Also I havent said she's just a piece of "meat".I said in a post on the 1st page that she's liked mostly because of her appeal "90% of fans and the rest for her cheerful atitude,for her personality".
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BloodyNightsky said:
I'm not ignoring anything,stop commenting like I have anything against her.
Also the reference with being nice isnt about Sena,I'm was saying that Yozora at first was picky and wanted Kodaka just for her.Basically I said she wasnt forced to like Sena or others.
Also I havent said she's just a piece of "meat".I said in a post on the 1st page that she's like mostly because of her appeal "90% of fans and the rest for her cheerful atitude,for her personality".

And I quote:
About 90% of her fans are because of her appearence [...] Strip Sena's tits and ass,give them to Yozora,Rika or Yukimura and see the result.The fan numbers will drop while the ones with tits and ass will face an overgrowth.

You've made the assumption that 90% of Sena's fans are solely interested in "tits and ass". In other words, you've reduced Sena to a piece of meat.
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It's not a secret that a majority of an X girl character are there because of her appearence.
Show me an anime where there are 2 female main characters where the less busty character has more fans than the busty one.I'll watch it gladly,really.I didnt mean that there are really 90%,let me refrain it the majority likes her because of that.I like all girls in Haganai but I'm the most close to Yozora.And I dont make hasty judgement on Sena and I'm not hating her because I find myself closer to Yozora than any other character in the story.

P.S: Dont pick on Mikuru and Haruhi as an example,Haruhi isnt small-breasted.
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Well i'm an girl and i like sena the must, yes she is blonde and have big tits, but she is not like most blonde girls with big tits, she is cute, she is smart and very gentle to every one she even is gentle to sora and because of that she always fall in to her traps, she is very naive, she wants to be friends with sora, although sora can be an bitch to her. She join the group to have friends, sora only make the group because of the main boy, and she wasn't in love for him, but see how her love grows was really cute.

I'm not an fan of big tits, i love blonde characters, but i love them flat, like lolis. When i saw sena for the first time it was in my mind 'argh another blonde with big tits' and i was thinking that i would like sora more, but i didn't sora personality is just horrible XD sena is not the typical big boobs blonde girl.

Although she seems to be confident she isn't!! she shy. She had and have all the guys that she wants because of her image, but she wasn't happy with that, she wants an guy that trully knew her and fall in love for her not because of her image but because of her personality.

I thought that was very smart, the creator reverse the roles, normaly in an typical anime, the blonde girl with big tits is supose to be the 'bitch' and the flat girl is supose to be the 'cute', but if the creator had done like the blonde girl flat and the other one with big tits, was an typical anime too, so i think it was smart and diferent to see the roles reverse, and i like it^^

This anime is the prove that it doesn't mater if an girl have big tits or is flat if the personality is shit, the more important is the girl personality, and sora was supose to be the cute one because she's flat but she isn't she is an total bitch (at least for me) and sena was supose to be the 'bitch' but she wasn't she was the cute and gentle.So she wins, it doesn't mater if she is blonde or if she have big boobs.

So this are the reasons that i love sena so mush^^
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Well i'm an girl and i like sena the must, yes she is blonde and have big tits, but she is not like most blonde girls with big tits, she is cute, she is smart and very gentle to every one she even is gentle to sora and because of that she always fall in to her traps, she is very naive, she wants to be friends with sora, although sora can be an bitch to her. She join the group to have friends, sora only make the group because of the main boy, and she wasn't in love for him, but see how her love grows was really cute.

I'm not an fan of big tits, i love blonde characters, but i love them flat, like lolis. When i saw sena for the first time it was in my mind 'argh another blonde with big tits' and i was thinking that i would like sora more, but i didn't sora personality is just horrible XD sena is not the typical big boobs blonde girl.

Although she seems to be confident she isn't!! she shy. She had and have all the guys that she wants because of her image, but she wasn't happy with that, she wants an guy that trully knew her and fall in love for her not because of her image but because of her personality.

I thought that was very smart, the creator reverse the roles, normaly in an typical anime, the blonde girl with big tits is supose to be the 'bitch' and the flat girl is supose to be the 'cute', but if the creator had done like the blonde girl flat and the other one with big tits, was an typical anime too, so i think it was smart and diferent to see the roles reverse, and i like it^^

This anime is the prove that it doesn't mater if an girl have big tits or is flat if the personality is shit, the more important is the girl personality, and sora was supose to be the cute one because she's flat but she isn't she is an total bitch (at least for me) and sena was supose to be the 'bitch' but she wasn't she was the cute and gentle.So she wins, it doesn't mater if she is blonde or if she have big boobs.

So this are the reasons that i love sena so mush^^

The bold word is the most creepy thing about her,and you must agree on that and know what I'm talking about.
And dont bring up Yozora being bitch because she isnt.With the same judgement you'd judge a teacher,that is giving you tough love for the best of you,as a bitch.Really dont turn this thread into a new Sena vs Yozora.
Also Sora is locked somewhere within Yozora,the key of the lock is held by Kodaka.Sora is cheerful,Yozora isnt if you see what I'm talking about.Same goes for Taka and Kodaka.
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Sora is cheerful,Yozora isnt if you see what I'm talking about.Same goes for Taka and Kodaka.


Sora was a defender of the weak, willing to jump in to fight for someone even though outnumbered, so you are right, there is something we haven't seen yet that will explain why Yozora changed. That is the big mystery of Hanagai.

I know it contradicts what we have been shown, but I am starting to think that Kodaka's and Yozora's parting was different from what we were told. What may have actually happened was that Kodaka panicked when he found out at Sora was a girl, and that as well as the move was how things really ended. That would explain why Yozora dresses in "boyish" clothes, why she literally has a nervous breakdown when Rika called her "cute", and why Yozora is so convinced that she will be betrayed, and this would explain why Kodaka feels the need to apologize so much to Yozora (the stated reason of him not recognizing her 10 years and one sex change later doesn't make sense, if he honestly did not know she was a girl, how could he have recognized her).

I have no problem dismissing Kodaka's "recollection" in that we know he is an unreliable narrator, Yozora's agreement with him is the problem with my theory, but with her assorted mental problems (her actually getting sick in crowds rises to an honest psychological disorder - she is far worse than Rika on this) maybe she blocked it out as well rather than admit that her one true friend dumped her. Since everything in this story goes back to that moment, changing that allows the writer to completely trick the viewer, changing that allows the writer to change everything.

As for the people praising Sena's "gentle" personality. I would have to agree with you that there is something wrong with their viewing skills. Sena ignores Yukimura (texting Kodaka when she was alone with Yukimura), and dislikes Maria (even in buying the ticket, it is clear that Sena doesn't like her), is creepy as hell with Kobata, and is hated by Rika. The only scene where Sena actually had a "gentle" side was after Yozora tricked her with the fake fortune telling (and if we are counting that one, then we should count that Yozora was actually upset that she actually hurt Sena, even longer than Sena was actually hurt). This is not to knock Sena, because it is clear that she has been pretty screwed-up by her parents), but it does make me wonder what people are watching.
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Sena being gentle. Hah. All her interactions begin with the objective to one-up Yozora, or dismiss the discussions at hand thus baiting a response from Yozora. Had she succeeded with the original intention she'd be the aggressor.

Though I won't describe Sena as an attention whore, insofar she does not seek attention because of any pleasure in doing so. Naturally she believes she's entitled to the attention. On the other hand, her actions demonstrates a total lack of restraint and consideration for others - whether it calling someone in the middle of the night for trivial matters or harass someone in broad daylight. Therefore she's true to herself and can be described as selfish, but her saving grace being she's not deliberately choosing to be selfish because she's not even aware she is!
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This is not to knock Sena, because it is clear that she has been pretty screwed-up by her parents), but it does make me wonder what people are watching.


Sena's parents are probably screwed-up too. Her father acts weird when he encounters something unexpected. Guess he's not a very good father (aside from having lots of money).

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Also Sora is locked somewhere within Yozora,the key of the lock is held by Kodaka.Sora is cheerful,Yozora isnt if you see what I'm talking about.Same goes for Taka and Kodaka.


I fail to see how this is possible. If Kodaka did have the key of the lock, then we would see Yozora trying to turn back into what Sora was during her time at the club. I agree that we have yet to understand why Yozora has turned underground and that may be something to look forward to.

Unfortunately, Yozora also wants Kodaka to turn back into Taka too. Kodaka acknowledges that Taka and Sora are of the past and he learns that it's time to move on.

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Sena being gentle. Hah. All her interactions begin with the objective to one-up Yozora, or dismiss the discussions at hand thus baiting a response from Yozora. Had she succeeded with the original intention she'd be the aggressor.


I thought it was more the other way around. Yozora would always bait Sena and get her startled by making crude remarks to her hobbies.

potplant said:
Though I won't describe Sena as an attention whore, insofar she does not seek attention because of any pleasure in doing so. Naturally she believes she's entitled to the attention. On the other hand, her actions demonstrates a total lack of restraint and consideration for others


If Sena had a total lack of restraint and consideration -
1. She would not have bought a ticket for Maria to the amusement park
2. She probably would have gone farther at attacking Yozora when she plagiarized the movie script - Maybe making her cry and run out the door
3. She probably would not have use authority to save the club from being disbanded (after all, she does not need a club to play her PS3).

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whether it calling someone in the middle of the night for trivial matters or harass someone in broad daylight.


Sena was probably desperate and wanted Kodaka's help in the middle of the night. As for harassing, doesn't Yozora do the same thing too?
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It's not a secret that a majority of an X girl character are there because of her appearence.
Show me an anime where there are 2 female main characters where the less busty character has more fans than the busty one.I'll watch it gladly,really.I didnt mean that there are really 90%,let me refrain it the majority likes her because of that.

What exactly is your point? You used the 90% comment to dismiss 90% of Sena's popularity as being due to her looks thereby implying that Yozora is actually the better character. I disagreed and I still resent your arrogance in suggesting it. Yes the good looking girl gets more fans to begin with and yes there are people who will care mostly about looks, but Yozora is also attractive. Even if you gave her Sena's TnA I wouldn't prefer her, and to suggest that most of Sena's fans would jump ship because of it is to suggest that she is nothing more than meat.

I like all girls in Haganai but I'm the most close to Yozora.And I dont make hasty judgement on Sena and I'm not hating her because I find myself closer to Yozora than any other character in the story.

That's fair.

P.S: Dont pick on Mikuru and Haruhi as an example,Haruhi isnt small-breasted.

What are you talking about? I didn't make fun of Haruhi or Mikuru (in fact I didn't even mention Mikuru at all). I only said that I prefer Yuki even though, according to you, I should like large breasted attention whores (like Haruhi) rather than flat chested reclusive girls (like Yuki). It was a stupid comment, so I pointed it out.

potplant said:
Sena being gentle. Hah. All her interactions begin with the objective to one-up Yozora, or dismiss the discussions at hand thus baiting a response from Yozora.
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but her saving grace being she's not deliberately choosing to be selfish because she's not even aware she is!

That's exactly it. She's not intentionally hurting others. She actually feels hurt herself when other girls don't get her attempts to make friends with them. Of course she puts up a proud front, saying stuff like "Hmph! Who cares about such people?"

In fact, she actually thinks of her back and forth arguing with Yozora as being a good thing. She sees it as a friend building exercise of sorts. That's why she's even happy that Yozora gave her the nickname "niku". (It's also why her room is some kind of creepy shrine for getting "revenge" on Yozora.)

worldliner_ai said:
If Sena had a total lack of restraint and consideration -
1. She would not have bought a ticket for Maria to the amusement park
2. She probably would have gone farther at attacking Yozora when she plagiarized the movie script - Maybe making her cry and run out the door
3. She probably would not have use authority to save the club from being disbanded (after all, she does not need a club to play her PS3).

This is truth. Sena's only intentional act of strong arming another person (as opposed to being her natural self) is when Aoi Yusa threatens to shut down the club.

On another note (since someone mentioned it before), Sena might not care for Yukimura, but neither does Yozora (and Yukimura herself doesn't really care about them either). And unlike Yozora, Sena isn't antagonistic towards all other females. The only one she actively antagonizes is the one she likes the most (as a friend) - Yozora. (She arguably likes Kobato most of all, but that's an "I want you to be my little sister" kind of like, not an "I want you to be my friend" kind of like.)

Yozora is a bit hard to understand. She wanted to become friends with Kodaka - not as a woman, but as the long lost best friend. And yet she consistently tried to push away other females. This is the most interesting part of her character - her complex feelings regarding Kodaka which she still hasn't sorted out.

I don't hate Yozora, but I don't see any good reason to particularly like her. If the only good thing about her personality is that she harbors feelings for Kodaka, then she's equally matched by all of the other girls who also love Kodaka. I can sympathize that she has her own set of problem to deal with, but why should I be attracted to her just because of that? It's like saying you want the villain to beat the good guy just because he's got a dark background. Sympathy, yes. Affection, no.
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Yozora sure antagonises Sena but the others? She influences Yukimura but doesn't do anything directly. Her frustration has always been inward facing. With the movies, she like the rest of the club could not bear to change the casting again because of Yukimura's distress.

Her relationship with Maria is quite healthy - certainly as viewed by Kate and she's pulling Maria into line (intentionally or not - eg stops her poop moments when eating curry). Why does she do it? What does Yozora have to gain from interacting with Maria of all people? (lol OK doing chores maybe)

As for Rika, she's pretty much given up and just plays along. They even has a bit of rapport as the more cluey 2 out of the lot.

So why do people excuse Sena for being the way she is 'not intetionally' causing harm as OK? Manslaughter is still a crime and is punishable, just with less moral culpability than outright murder. What is there that suggests Yozora's not the same? Afterall a couple reveals, such as her dress sense (being from the internet/magazines), interpretation of kissing etc shows despite the seeming intelligence she is just as clueless at crucial parts.

One barometer of a character is how other's perceives them. With Sena, there's not much of a connection with the other club members other than Kodaka and Yozora, and only hate from Kobato.

Yozora on the other hand, intentional or not, has plenty of connections - admiration from Yukimura/Kobato, camaraderie from Rika (being conversion target no.1) etc.

The central theme around Yozora tragic - her current personality, miss potential in the past with Taka, and her many failed schemes now. And that's exactly what drives sympathy.

You did pick up on Yozora's interpretation of friendship and I agree. To expand, her literal interpretation of friendship is one person that's more important than 1000 others. Otherwise you don't even classify. Which makes it hard for her to admit friendship when not even Kodaka in the present is that level (hence people that complain about Yozora not admitting friendship, well, the bar is a lot higher in her case). Of course that exclusiveness of her interpration is NOT what we typically associate friendship with, and it is a different type of relationship, of which she's extremely sensitive/shy about.
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Smart,rich,clumsy,tits


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This thread is very interesting I finished NEXT and saw this forum and the title intrigued me though I don't enter these often. I thought I'd throw my cents in for the hell of it in this discussion. Everyone is titled to their own opinions and that's the fun part in these =)

Yes there are probably a bunch or guys and some girls who love Sena for her body and looks I don't deny that she does looks great I admit that but every character has their own layers in this series. No matter who we are in reality or fiction looks due play a part but the personality does too; I have this quote from the series Doctor Who that puts that into words and may make this debate more interesting:

“You know when sometimes you meet someone so beautiful and then you actually talk to them and five minutes later they’re as dull as a brick? Then there’s other people, when you meet them you think, “Not bad. They’re okay.” And then you get to know them and… and their face just sort of becomes them. Like their personality’s written all over it. And they just turn into something so beautiful.”
— Amelia Pond

I think that quote (which is one of my favorites) plays well into this series actually. =) The ones that base a book on its cover are fools as the series said and so those that do well their opinions don't matter too much in the long run then. While Sena has her look, wealth, and ability. She also has more going for her too, yes she fangirls a bit creepily over Kobato, yes shes obsessed with her eroge, and her personality is a bit extreme sometimes but those aspects make me like her more even relate to her sometimes shes not perfect and is as odd as anyone else if I had access to those games even the smut ones i'd probably be like her over both girls and guys versions. Kobato well she wants a little sister like her shes adorable and its not like shes actual going to rape her so I don't mind that aspect I've seen people act like that before in real life. And I enjoy her blunt personality and her love of the present time. The way she goes about liking herself is arragance but I don't mind it shes not trying to con people or use her power all the time but does recognize her ability to use it. It's hard to explain the may layers of a person that has yet to fully be explained but I do like her as herself I myself would like it if Sena or Rika won but everyone has a chance at this time with Kodaka for all we know it could end up a harem, or maybe only one with win, or its even possible it will end open ended we don't know at this point. When the series started I thought damn Yozora is gonna win this but then 'flags' started emerging everywhere and I realized that this isn't your typical anime where you can guess which route will win in the end but that every character has their flaws and good points and everyone has an equal chance at this point since Kodaka wants everyone to get a 'happy ending' so he can't just choose at this point so Rika's gonna be a friend and help so they can all move forward. I actually dont hate any of the girl characters whoever wins I'll be happy. Yozora at this point needs time and help to work this through in her feelings shes very conflicted and feels like shes losing I don't blame I would feel that way too. The difference is Sena doesn't she worked herself out and decided she liked Kodaka said it and wasn't ashamed. But Yozora isn't ready yet and it through her through a loop I hope she can figure out but I think after a bit of alone time she'll need some help to get another prospective and once she does she'll be back on her feet in no time. Some of the girls are fine with how they are like Sena and Yukimura, Rika is working things out but she knows how things are and isn't giving up and is even helping this case out now. And don't get me started on the loli's or Maria. It just so happens that Sena and Yozora stand out the most to people so people pick sides thats natural when a side hasn't been offically picked or won yet both girls have their flaws but are great in each of their own way also that we dont always see they both care about their friends in the club even if no one but Kodaka and Rika are vocal declared friends at this point, they have feelings, and dont care how others seen them unless they are important too them in some way. I could go on forever as it seems I have I feel like I didnt make to good a point but I just felt i had to through this into you guys. I don't mean to bash anyones opinions feel free to correct me on something if you see fit I don't mind its just it seems people were being split on here and I though I could help with another perspective from how the character in the show might feel. ^^

I'll end this here I didnt proof read this btw so sorry if its mixed up I was just to lazy to edit it right now ^^; (feels like I ran in a circle with this >.> )

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Yozora sure antagonises Sena but the others?

When Sena first appeared, instant hate. When she found out Yukimura was female, instant distress and forced wardrobe change and more distress when the others inform her that the butler look made Yukimura even more appealing. When Kobato showed up, she was relieved after she found out Kobato was Kodaka's sister. With Rika, similar "Damn it, another girl" reaction. In every case except for Maria (who Yozora specifically picked as club advisor because she wasn't considered a threat), antagonism - the idea that they're an enemy or rival - is her first reaction.

Yozora's antagonism towards Sena is most consistent because she sees Sena as the biggest rival. Yozora even names Sena "niku"/"meat" because she wants to portray Sena's physical features in a negative light. It's extremely petty. There are plenty of valid reasons to dislike another person (for example, for being a stuck-up bitch), but Yozora chose to take the low road.

Arguably Sena was the same with regard to her initial treatment of Kodaka. But she was able to change her opinion. I like that part about her. I'm still waiting for Yozora to change; until then, Sena (for me) is easily the better character.


In any case, I've done my best to answer the OP's thinly-veiled Sena bashing in the form of a flame baiting question. A lot of people like Sena because she's honest to herself and to others. She sees Yozora as a friendly rival rather than a threat to her relationship with Kodaka. She's often creepy and overbearing, but she's well-intentioned. Her looks are just icing on the cake.
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Jamada,sir,you're beyond impossible to recover.This isnt a Sena vs Yozora and it isnt a secret that the majority likes the busty female character more due to her appearence.Dont deny that because it is a fact.
I see you're a hater and refuse to understand all characters in the show.Note that in the episode with the swimming pool she said she actually LIKES her nickname,in fact she even answer to it easily without anykind of sad reactions,and it is the first time someone giving her a nickname.I had a nickname too,I had several nicknames but you dont see me turn like you into hating that person because he gave me a nickname.Stop playing the lawyer for Sena on this matter.

And really,REALLY stop it with the icing on the cake,the looks of a girl,real life or not it doesnt matter,is the bait.Basically is like strongly denying that you dont like big young breasts.It is a fact that we like them but yet you deny it.

P.S: I feel like I'm talking to the walls.You want to make me look like I'm hating her so badly?
Then you're no different from the Yozora you have in your mind.
What a fool I am that I even posted here,I felt the stench of this income long before I was even intending to post.
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Jamada,sir,you're beyond impossible to recover.This isnt a Sena vs Yozora and it isnt a secret that the majority likes the busty female character more due to her appearence.Dont deny that because it is a fact.
I see you're a hater and refuse to understand all characters in the show.Note that in the episode with the swimming pool she said she actually LIKES her nickname,in fact she even answer to it easily without anykind of sad reactions,and it is the first time someone giving her a nickname.I had a nickname too,I had several nicknames but you dont see me turn like you into hating that person because he gave me a nickname.Stop playing the lawyer for Sena on this matter.

And really,REALLY stop it with the icing on the cake,the looks of a girl,real life or not it doesnt matter,is the bait.Basically is like strongly denying that you dont like big young breasts.It is a fact that we like them but yet you deny it.

P.S: I feel like I'm talking to the walls.You want to make me look like I'm hating her so badly?
Then you're no different from the Yozora you have in your mind.
What a fool I am that I even posted here,I felt the stench of this income long before I was even intending to post.

And you lack reading comprehension.

I've praised Yozora for her good points. I've objected to your 90% comment because it was insulting to the Sena fans who like her not because of "tits and ass" (your words). I've already recognized that looks play a role, but I objected specifically to your suggestion that 90% of Sena's fans would abandon her if she didn't have big breasts because it implies that she has little else but for her looks - which again is nonsense! You've been an ass and that's all there is to it.

I've pointed out MYSELF that Sena likes her nickname. That's even one of the reasons I like her - because she sees Yozora's insult as endearing rather than something to get upset over.

Stop being an ass.
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Jamada said:
I've objected to your 90% comment because it was insulting to the Sena fans who like her not because of "tits and ass" (your words).


How is claiming that 90% of the fans of a character like her for the wrong reasons in any way insulting towards the 10% that don't?
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Jamada said:
I've objected to your 90% comment because it was insulting to the Sena fans who like her not because of "tits and ass" (your words).


How is claiming that 90% of the fans of a character like her for the wrong reasons in any way insulting towards the 10% that don't?

Because it's a mischaracterization of her fanbase. It's also implying that the other characters don't have the same type of fan who likes a character specifically because of their looks - that Sena is solely benefiting popularity-wise from her looks. Again, this is false.
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Here is the list of why I don't like Sena (feel free to proof it otherwise):

1. Because she is idiot (pure or inocent or whatever you like) that can get easily fooled by other.
2. Because she is too haugthy and mighty because;
a)She is principal daugther.
b)Have a good look.
c)Have a good grade.
3. Her attitude to Kobato.
4. Her don't give a damn attitude.
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Yep,you're irrecuperable.You continue denying that the majority likes her for the looks.I said it myself,when I use percentage usually I do it of reflex to say that a majority likes a thing.And,no,I'm not an ass because I'm not hating any of the characters.
If being an ass is saying why the busty girl is more popular than the flat-chested and yet no appealing body then yes I am an ass.Look over theyr facebook,Sena is everywhere and mostly almost naked.Even the producers know what I'm saying is true,it's an overwhelming proof why she's popular.I invite you to search on facebook "Boku wa Tomodachi ga Sukunai NEXT".Go ahead,tell me what you see,compare the number of Sena's posts to any other character.
Also it's your interpretation.And again it's your interpretation of "equivallent" of saying the same thing on other fans.The majority of Rika fans like her perverted thoughts,the only great look on Rika is her face and all other characters face are great looking.
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Yep,you're irrecuperable.You continue denying that the majority likes her for the looks.I said it myself,when I use percentage usually I do it of reflex to say that a majority likes a thing.And,no,I'm not an ass because I'm not hating any of the characters.
If being an ass is saying why the busty girl is more popular than the flat-chested and yet no that appealing body then yes I am an ass.Look over theyr facebook,Sena is everywhere and mostly almost naked.Even the producers know what I'm saying is true,it's an overwhelming proof why she's popular.I invite you to search on facebook "Boku wa Tomodachi ga Sukunai NEXT".Go ahead,tell me what you see,compare the number of Sena's posts to any other character.

Again, this is a fallacious argument.

Sena's popular - TRUE.
Because Sena's popular, there are lots of pictures of her - TRUE.
Sena has big breasts - TRUE.
Sena's popular BECAUSE of her big breasts - AN ARROGANT ASSUMPTION.
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Jamada said:
BloodyNightsky said:
Yep,you're irrecuperable.You continue denying that the majority likes her for the looks.I said it myself,when I use percentage usually I do it of reflex to say that a majority likes a thing.And,no,I'm not an ass because I'm not hating any of the characters.
If being an ass is saying why the busty girl is more popular than the flat-chested and yet no that appealing body then yes I am an ass.Look over theyr facebook,Sena is everywhere and mostly almost naked.Even the producers know what I'm saying is true,it's an overwhelming proof why she's popular.I invite you to search on facebook "Boku wa Tomodachi ga Sukunai NEXT".Go ahead,tell me what you see,compare the number of Sena's posts to any other character.

Again, this is a fallacious argument.

Sena's popular - TRUE.
Because Sena's popular, there are lots of pictures of her - TRUE.
Sena has big breasts - TRUE.
Sena's popular BECAUSE of her big breasts - AN ARROGANT ASSUMPTION.
Why is that arrogant? Physical appearance is matter much more to some people more than other atribute.
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Why is that arrogant? Physical appearance is matter much more to some people more than other atribute.

Ultimately, my message is this: there's more to Sena than her looks. By trying to attribute 90% of her popularity to looks alone, he's denigrating her character almost completely.

I'm fine with those who are critical of Sena like you, NeoAnkara. I just don't like those who make up bull shit stats to help their point of view.
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Jamada said:
BloodyNightsky said:
Yep,you're irrecuperable.You continue denying that the majority likes her for the looks.I said it myself,when I use percentage usually I do it of reflex to say that a majority likes a thing.And,no,I'm not an ass because I'm not hating any of the characters.
If being an ass is saying why the busty girl is more popular than the flat-chested and yet no that appealing body then yes I am an ass.Look over theyr facebook,Sena is everywhere and mostly almost naked.Even the producers know what I'm saying is true,it's an overwhelming proof why she's popular.I invite you to search on facebook "Boku wa Tomodachi ga Sukunai NEXT".Go ahead,tell me what you see,compare the number of Sena's posts to any other character.

Again, this is a fallacious argument.

Sena's popular - TRUE.
Because Sena's popular, there are lots of pictures of her - TRUE.
Sena has big breasts - TRUE.
Sena's popular BECAUSE of her big breasts - AN ARROGANT ASSUMPTION.

You're a hypocrite.She is popular because of that,that's why the majority of fanservice is with her.I'm not saying it is wrong or anything,I'm saying THATS WHY SHE'S SO POPULAR,THAT'S WHY THE MAJORITY OF HER FANS LIKES HER.Imagine a character with same personality as her but without the great looking body,and I'll tell you a secret:THERE ARE ANIMES LIKE THAT AND THE ONE WITH THIS PERSONALITY IS HATED AS MUCH AS YOU HATE YOZORA.
I bet on anything you want,if Yozora was the one with great looking body there would be someone like you saying there is more than you see and it is true but this thread is asking WHY SHE IS SO POPULAR.
You completely ignored the explanation of that "90%".OK,I'll repeat it.I tend to pull of percentage out of habit,that percentage basically means "the majority".
FluffyFleshJun 12, 2013 12:51 AM
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