Is this that kind of show where you should shut your brains off to enjoy?

TheFounder131 said:
I watched 6 eps and there is too much plot conveniences to digest.

SparCy said:

It is. Up to a point. This show is a slow burner and can only be fully appreciated as a whole once you have finished the whole things. And bits you didn’t like at the start, you will start to love by the end.

TheFounder131 said:
I watched 6 eps and there is too much plot conveniences to digest.

TheFounder131 said:
I watched 6 eps and there is too much plot conveniences to digest.

TheFounder131 said:
I watched 6 eps and there is too much plot conveniences to digest.

TheFounder131 said:
I watched 6 eps and there is too much plot conveniences to digest.

hyatlop said:
Only if you have more than one brain, otherwise I don't know how to shut down your "brains".

deg said:
anyway this show makes you feel more (excitement and motivation) than think more

hyatlop said:


https://ell.stackexchange.com/questions/110314/brains-vs-brain

How does it feel to be stupid?

hyatlop said:


You said "your" in the title which grammatically should be followed by brain, not brains as you were referring to the organ in "your" head, not intelligence, but please keep coping.

AlexPlayer said:
The story will become more serious and add more depth in the 2nd half. Also the show's motto is "Kick logic to the curb and do the impossible". You shouldn't overanalyze every single detail.

XalekMe said:
tbf, yes. others say, up to the point, but imo it doesnt change at all, even in part 2, where all the plot holes and conveniences become really unbearable.
so yeah, even in DS you can leave some of the brain activity on, sometimes you may even need to think a bit. in ttgl case, you either shut it off completely, or you simply cant enjoy it properly (well, its just like me). my association with it were "power rangers", yeah its cool and all, some robots fighting, some people shouting in determination, but other than that, zero development and plot incoherence.

TheFounder131 said:

Never miss your English classes.

CHT13 said:

If you think too much about the plot, especially towards the end I think your brains will explode! Did I use brains correctly, lol.

TheFounder131 said:
I watched 6 eps and there is too much plot conveniences to digest.

TheFounder131 said:

Ok, I had a different mindset while watching this anime. Looks like i need to change it to enjoy this show. But I prefer the show which you know makes the audience think.

krwnnnn said:
I've watched GL 3 times.

Once when I was 18 and enjoyed it for the animation and action.

Again when I was 22 and enjoyed it for the sheer scale of the story and world building.

Finally at age 32 where I greatly appreciated the emotional depth, and how airtight this story is in its themes, symbolic imagery, and the way the story is told.

I think age and life experience has provided me with a much deeper appreciation of this show and I can honestly say that the best parts of GL are the character beats and symbolism. Really clever how the the "absurdity" of the plot ties directly to and is also representative of the themes + symbolism and it's no accident. Like a spiral, this story gets bigger and wilder at ever checkpoint without losing character and Gainax created a masterpiece, at least in my opinion.

hyatlop said:


"Beat your brains out" is an expression but that was not what you said in the title, you used "shut your brain" as an organ in meaning, which should be singular. Now keep coping as hard as you can in order to deny your glaring mistake.

ScionOfCyan said:
Alright, back at my desktop. Let's go. Wanted to start by saying this quoted post is a good take. As I said above, it's common for youths to get hung up on details that are irrelevant to the merit of a story. Anime is a representational vehicle designed to evoke emotions in you that reinforce your 'gut understanding' of the themes of the anime. For top class anime it's the underlying meaning that matters most, not the literal actions used to convey that meaning. Krwnnnn's development with age is also unsurprising. I'm a similar age. I first saw Gurren Lagann this year, which is why I immediately had full confidence that it is a masterpiece. On to the analysis.

First, groundwork. This story is fundamentally about obscene ambition and social outcasts. Those concepts are interconnected in this context. We start with a clip of humans considering how to fight a ridiculously powerful enemy and the protagonist responds with equally ridiculous confidence and bluster. And that’s it. That’s the core of the story in one sequence. It‘s a good intro.


Gurren Lagann is full of outsized plot elements, behavior, and imagery (I'm imagining some volcanoes right now). "Fighting all the stars in the galaxies" is an accurate advertisement, not a throwaway line. That's precisely because this story is about achieving what 99% of humanity 'knows' is physically impossible. It's an intentional stylistic choice to reinforce that thematic element of Gurren Lagann. It needs to 'feel' impossible to you, the viewer, as you are immersed in the experience, because that's the whole point of this story. Gurren Lagann is an endless spiral towards more and more ridiculous levels. This is entirely congruent with 'doing what common sense dictates is impossible.'

This story is about a human being becoming wildly successful and reaching the “1%” after starting a lot lower. It’s about the mindset that is a prerequisite to accomplishing such a feat. Gurren Lagann’s creators tell us exactly what they think that mindset looks like, in the form of a character. Obviously, it’s Kamina. Here’s the thing. They are 100% right. You might not have this personal experience, but I have interacted with many people who worked their way to ridiculous accomplishments starting from very little. Universally, what is striking about them is:
(1) an insane propensity for optimism
(2) a penchant for ‘doing things’ instead of thinking about them, and
(3) a large amount of disdain for ‘the average man.’

Kamina is all of that, turned up to 11.

Let’s take a moment to make something clear. I said it’s a prerequisite, not a sufficient condition. Those people are lucky. Others with the same bravado get unlucky or make an untimely mistake and get obliterated for it. We consider them losers. That’s a good segue into the topic of social outcasts. Why is Gurren Lagann about social outcasts? Because the person who actually tries to achieve an insanely high goal must accept the role of a social outcast.

This is trivially true if you think about it for just a bit. You are never going to get above the rest of the herd if you follow the same common-sense recommendations as everyone else. You must find something better. Well, experiment in too many areas and you are a weirdo. You become an outsider by default. Kamina, for better or worse, has the perfect personality to do this because he has complete and total conviction that his way is right and he refuses to accede to societal norms simply to get along with others.


Now, Simon has average ambitions, but large talent. Gurren Lagann tells us that the hero trailblazer marries that talent with obscene conviction and confidence. Simon, without Kamina, doesn’t have a heroic future. He’ll be a nerd in the corner all his life. He'll always be very good at what he does, but no more.


Kamina infuses into Simon that capacity for conviction and confidence and propels him to new heights.

As an aside, consider the two other initial members of Gurren-dan. Yoko is a very masculine female and Leeron is a very effeminate male. It’s common for these archetypes to end up in the ‘social outcast/pioneer’ roles of society. The reason is that, just by acting naturally, they’re a little bit weird in the first place. I know this experience firsthand as an especially effeminate male. Once you accept that there’s nothing you can do to fit in, it becomes easier to ‘lean in’ to that weirdness, and buck the mold in other ways. You’ll be a partial outcast regardless; might as well get the benefit of experimenting and finding better ways of doing things.

Gurren Lagann reminds us that there are better ways of doing things with Rossiu and Father Magin. In this village, the leader has perpetuated a convenient lie that keeps his society stable. This is crucially important to the thematic content of Gurren Lagann. At the end of the day, humans need to cooperate with each other enough to maintain civilization. If everyone went haring off like Kamina doing whatever they want it would all fall apart. Every society has convenient lies that outcasts can benefit from (simply through the inherent advantage of the truth). Gurren Lagann's story continues to riff on this topic, and its take is impressively nuanced.

The primary way that people fail in the journey to the top is accepting being an outcast. For most humans, loneliness is highly distressing. When everyone around you says, “That’s crazy, you should do it the other way,” it takes a special person to say “nah, fuck y’all, I’m doing it my way instead." Kamina is that ‘specialness’ embodied. Gurren Lagann is Kamina’s invitation to pursue the life of a social outcast, with all the potential for heroism that entails.

Alright, so, people being able to pilot Ganmen. An individual’s pilot skill in a Ganmen is entirely a function of that ‘specialness,’ that conviction, that confidence. Has nothing to do with technical knowledge or physical coordination or any of that. This is what Kamina means when he says it takes ‘fighting spirit.’ Ganmen pilot skill allegorizes a certain psychological mindset that is rare in humans.

This is why it matters so much that Father Magin and Rossiu can pilot Ganmen. Because it shows Father Magin has the same capacity for heroic transcendence, but refuses the call. He chooses instead to lock his people up inside Plato’s cave and perform horrible rituals to sustain them [Yes, Plato's cave. Did you think that was a coincidence? What a shallow story Gurren Lagann is :eye roll:]. He couldn’t find it in himself to “surpass the impossible and kick off with momentum” (Kamina’s signature phrase). And this is why Kamina hates Father Magin. Father Magin didn’t have the optimism and belief to take a risk that might make life much better for his people. He settled for the ‘safe route.’ Similarly, when Kamina says Magin looks “just like their old chieftain," it's is an excellent example of Gurren Lagann being facially nonsensical (the two are nothing alike under any superficial metric) but profound in actual meaning.


Kamina is referring to the proclivity of societal authority to suppress the exploits of renegades.

And that’s why it makes perfect sense that Rossiu eventually joins them. He can pilot Ganmen, so he has the same innate potential to express that contrarian spirit. Kamina inspires him, just as Kamina inspires Simon. Kamina and Simon elaborate on this topic in an entirely metaphorical discussion which starts with Kamina talking about our eyes being in the front of our heads.

How else do we know that the Ganmen are an external representation of interior psychology? Well, Simon keeps flickering on and off in the ability to use his Lagann. When Kamina manages to boost his confidence, he can do it. When he gets discouraged, Lagann is just another piece of scrap metal. Later on you’ll discover that Simon is pretty much the only person in their crew who can successfully use Lagann, which says a lot about his talent. Gurren-dan is seriously dependent on Kamina’s ability to encourage Simon so Simon doesn’t waste his potential. When I talk about Lagann in this way, you can tell that the specifics of how Simon found Lagann and its core drill are completely irrelevant for this story. We all have a Lagann, since Lagann is really a representation of the magnification of our abilities under a certain mindset.

Alright, what’s the deal with combining? Outcasts are lonely. Unless you’re a Kamina, you will experience self-doubt at times and the safe route will be tempting. But two lone wolves is a different story. When Simon and Kamina combine, it represents the mutual reinforcement of that psychological mindset, the virtuous feedback loop magnifying their confidence to take them to new heights in their rejection of the ways of normal society. It’s much better to be Lewis and Clark and not just Lewis.

And this is the reason for all the rigamarole of a manly-looking combination. This message is all about mindset. A functional but ugly visual image of Kamina jamming Lagann into his dome is the wrong vibe. It doesn't show us the 'coolness' of 'the two of us against the world,' the aesthetic of 'nobody can do it the way we can' that only the outsider has access to. (In one of the translations, Yoko even says "there's nobody like them" after one of their combinations.)


That's what a 'glorious combination' means. It's not extraneous to the story at all, nor is it some sort of a joke. But you only see it if you process the story on the level of its meaning and not on the level of the literal actions. The literal actions are silly.

I hope this helps make the picture more clear. There is a lot in this story where the literal meaning is complete nonsense but the figurative meaning makes perfect sense, is profound, and is extraordinarily helpful for anyone who aspires to be a trailblazer like Kamina.

Ima stop now because this post is hella long. I’m happy to follow up later and talk through more examples, especially if you were being honest about liking “shows that make you think.” Gurren Lagann is one of the deepest anime I’ve seen, but you do have to be looking at it through the correct lens (analytical framework).

TheFounder131 said:

good analysis tbh. Now i will probably watch GL with a new mindset which you just unlocked.
But Why GL manga is rated so low compared to its anime?

ScionOfCyan said:




Hahaha, I must admit, that meme did come to mind after I saw how damn long my post was.

Thanks. GL manga is ranked low because GL is an original anime, so the manga is just a spinoff. That helps in how good GL is, because the creators are basically tailoring it to the anime medium.

I feel like there's really only so high you can go when you adapt a manga, cuz like, you know, it's literally designed to be consumed another way.

TheFounder131 said:

bruh

I was joking but it looks like you really missed your important English classes.

Aruchemist said:

Never once I thought 2 people debating about English grammar on Gurren Lagann thread LMAO.

Btw there is no exact right answer since it depends on the question intent whether it's a personal question (singular) or to more than one person (plural). In this context, it's the right answer to use "brains" since this is a thread question which open for public. Your welcome, now please shake hands and chill.

hyatlop said:


I see you started projecting after running out of any excuse to justify your mistake. You should take your own advice and dissolve that ego and accept you are wrong.

hyatlop said:


Never trust a guy's grammar who doesn't know the difference between your and you're. "You're welcome". Also, you are wrong, the title was using a single person as an example to refer to a group of people, therefore the singular "your brain" is the correct use here.

DoctorDumbo said:
There is no good anime that you watch with your brain off and gurren lagann is a great anime so no, you don't turn your brain off while watching it.

Also, most of your examples are very nitpicky. It's not weird for the person with the most skill in digging to find something underground and it's not weird for a key to be near its vehicle, not to mention the fact that there are mechas deep underground is explained later in the show. Simon specifically finding it isn't convenience because simon isn't special and anyone finding it could kick off the same story. Also I don't know why you're insistent that piloting gunmen is this complex thing that people need to study before doing even though the anime never claimed it to be.

The kind of conveniences your picking off are very present in any anime. Like looking at your favorites I could pick at AOT with Eren conveniently turning titan right when he was about to die in another titan's stomach or him getting the ability to control other titans right when he was about to be killed by a titan and his whole squad was about to die.

So no you don't need to turn your brain off, just be less nitpicky.