Duckling Syndrome

HFBBFGFFFBFBF said:

I would be fine, but I see this every single day.

IvanOG said:
Dragonball is the father of Shounen

Naruto n every other Shounen is copying tf outta Dragonball , especially ONE PEICE ( Ki blast sounds n more...)

Faq "good writing" (which dragonball has) if u have Genkidamas, The OG (best anime) transformations in anime, the biggest explosions (literally) and so emotinal moments the best drama series never come close to...

Now look at these new series they wouldn't be nothing without DB , One Piece ripps of dragonball they even took the same sounds effects from dbz *cringe*

almost every Transformation Naruto has, is inspired by Dragonball/SSJ

all other todays Shounens are the bastards of Dragonball

Berato said:

Well one piece might have the same sounds because it's made by the same studio so they probably just reused it

IvanOG said:
i think they did that on purpose 4 ppl to talk about it n s#it. I dont hate on One Piece i think its good but u cant just REuse a iconic sound effect like that and hope not to be called out

HFBBFGFFFBFBF said:

Maybe so, but Hunter X Hunter is the kind of anime you won't love after watching it. You will like it very much, but you will not love it, you will not be interested in its universe, unlike Dragon Ball. And this is very important.

HFBBFGFFFBFBF said:
What's happening?
Why is it that when I say that I like Dragon Ball because of the deep plot and characters, I get the answer: "You just have duckling syndrome / nostalgia. Turn them off, watch Hunter X Hunter or One Piece, and understand that Dragon Ball - crap unfinished."
Where does such arrogance and hatred for Dragon Ball come from? Just because of popularity? But Fullmetal Alchemist is also popular (and judging by MyAniteList, he is 3-4 times more popular than Dragon Ball (judging by the number of votes)), but no one hates him. What is the problem?

HFBBFGFFFBFBF said:
What's happening?
Why is it that when I say that I like Dragon Ball because of the deep plot and characters, I get the answer: "You just have duckling syndrome / nostalgia. Turn them off, watch Hunter X Hunter or One Piece, and understand that Dragon Ball - crap unfinished."
Where does such arrogance and hatred for Dragon Ball come from? Just because of popularity? But Fullmetal Alchemist is also popular (and judging by MyAniteList, he is 3-4 times more popular than Dragon Ball (judging by the number of votes)), but no one hates him. What is the problem?

IvanOG said:
Dragonball is the father of Shounen

Naruto n every other Shounen is copying tf outta Dragonball , especially ONE PEICE ( Ki blast sounds n more...)

Faq "good writing" (which dragonball has) if u have Genkidamas, The OG (best anime) transformations in anime, the biggest explosions (literally) and so emotinal moments the best drama series never come close to...

Now look at these new series they wouldn't be nothing without DB , One Piece ripps of dragonball they even took the same sounds effects from dbz *cringe*

almost every Transformation Naruto has, is inspired by Dragonball/SSJ

all other todays Shounens are the bastards of Dragonball

BettertastethenU said:
It’s the most popular anime in the west besides Pokémon, it completely eclipses FMAB death note etc lol, you should realize that the kind of people who have an mal are anime enthusiasts/anime nerds like us, the millions who watched dbz every day in the 2000s don’t have a mal most likely. To answer your question it is because it’s very popular and if we’re being frank it is lacking in the deeper writing department and I think HXH is much better, but I still really enjoy DBZ because I love good action and I love the main characters.

bigbooty_ said:
Part of it is gatekeeping and part is backlash for how popular it was 20 years ago. It’s my favorite series but yeah it’s not loved for being the most carefully crafted narrative. I think most fans have a head cannon that uses these characters better than the Buu Saga.

Edit: Just realized this is a baby account for defending DB considering you’ve literally seen 1 anime.

kfsilver89 said:

I grew up watching dragon ball z on Toonami. Bruce falconer music and all. Linda Young as Frieza and was there at the switch from the ocean dub to the Funimation dub back in the ginyu saga. I didn’t realize how much Dragon ball z was crap until I saw kai. Everything I loved about it was based around the hype I had for it back in the 2000’s. It wasn’t anything I ever seen before in my life, I loved cartoons but this was different. I don’t think the younger millennials in here or the gen z audience will ever understand how incredible Dragon Ball z is and the profound respect audience like me has for it.

That said, I can not get into Kai or super I strongly dislike all the characters in super. I hate what they did to my boy but it was always skewed from the original Japanese translation. “Ally to good nightmare to you.” Goku I grew up with was the hope of the universe but in actuality he was just a saiyan that enjoyed fighting powerful enemies and that gutted my respect for him. I can’t ever take off the nostalgia glasses but I can call it how I see it that the storyline just doesn’t hold up with other shonen series like yu yu Hakusho but I will always respect the original Funimation dub.

TheRealRouges said:

Well, the so called new shonen (One Piece, Dragon Ball, Bleach, excetera) perfected what Dragon Ball did. Without DB they wouldn’t exist, but they really improved on the DB formula, and I’m sorry but that’s facts

Ripper_30 said:

YYH? LMAOOOOOOOOOOO

YYH is not that great. Its highlights are still a standard Shonen with little difference in the tropes the demograph is known for and it's low point, the Three Kings Arc, was more anticlimactic than most of DB's arcs and had very poorly handled power escalation (eg. Jin, Chu and the other DT Demons surpassing Sensui through Genkai's training and Kurama surpassing them from seemingly doing nothing). It's cast is also nowhere near as developed or interesting as those of it's spiritual successor, either. The only consistently good fights in YYH were in the Dark Tournament arc. (which is also the only really great part of the series) The Spirit Detective arc fights were generic and forgettable as can be while the Sensui arc started with the interesting concept of Territory fights but that gets throw out the window for a very route and predictable DBZ-lite fight with Sensui that ends in an anti-climatic curbstomp and features the absolute worst asspull in all Shonen fighting series (Yusuke was a Yokai all along which is totally not a copy of Goku's being an alien reveal!) And the Three Kings arc was even more pale intimation DBZ fights in an arc that Togashi was massively phoning in and that Studio Pierrot could only make lemonade of the lemons they were given. Aside from having some decent character writing, the majority of it's plot focuses on a tournament arc pretty standard in it's execution, before degrading in quality even worse than the worst arcs of DBZ.

TheRealRouges said:
It’s just that it doesn’t have deep plot and characters, but there’s nothing wrong in liking it

Ripper_30 said:

those headcanons are awful, the character utilization was perfect in Boo arc. Literally every relevant character got their shine.


most of headcanons resort to this

Ripper_30 said:

it's lacking in deeper meaning cuz you have a preconceived notions formed About it. I mean you Stan Hunter X Hunter, a show which is basically DBZ if Toriyama loved philosophy and over-exposition. HxH is made out to come off Deeper than it is due to Anitubers and headcanon threads.

HFBBFGFFFBFBF said:
What's happening?
Why is it that when I say that I like Dragon Ball because of the deep plot and characters, I get the answer: "You just have duckling syndrome / nostalgia. Turn them off, watch Hunter X Hunter or One Piece, and understand that Dragon Ball - crap unfinished."
Where does such arrogance and hatred for Dragon Ball come from? Just because of popularity? But Fullmetal Alchemist is also popular (and judging by MyAniteList, he is 3-4 times more popular than Dragon Ball (judging by the number of votes)), but no one hates him. What is the problem?

kfsilver89 said:
you wrote way too much nonsense and you didn’t bring up a shonen series that ran alongside DBZ back in the 90’s. One piece would be the latest and this is nulled from that discussion. At the same time back in the Toonami days, it aired the same time but also wasn’t given time slot close to DBZ because of its graphic nature so I had to wait until around midnight. They called it the midnight run.

Sailor moon also aired on Toonami but it wasn’t exactly for me. Same goes gundam series. Therefore the only series at the time with a power scaling system close to DBZ is yu yu Hakusho.

Yu yu Hakusho had far better character arcs and psychology than DBZ by miles. And bringing up the last arcs is irrelevant because DBZ was finished long before Toonami showed us the chapter black arc and they never even finished it. The last episode they aired cut it short before yusuke transformation to a demon.

You’re in no position to be critical of a series without first understanding the lens I put into this discussion. Which is the psychology of a 10-14 year old boy before the internet rose in popularity to stream anime. I didn’t even completely finish yu yu Hakusho until 2020 with the ova-like adaption which is the true ending of the series. There were flaws with Togashi writing which in improved in Hunter x Hunter but it’s still leaps and bounds better than DBZ with their interpersonal relationships.

Zokzon said:
All this argument for a guy who doesn't even have the guts to post from his main account. Ok anyway I want to say that I don't know who is more annoying a DB hater or DB fans.

DB hater who are hating it because of it's low quality but they are not realizing that it is one of the first shounen of course it will be filled with flaws but both pros and cons are the reason why new shounen are inspired by it.They should just watch it and as a classic they should respect it instead of comparing there favourite anime with an anime from 90s.Just because they have watch better shows that doesn't mean that they should disrespect it.

Or DB fans who still can't accept that it's been 30 years and of course there would be better anime not only anime but better shounens too.Still thinks that DB is the best and whenever someone disagree they are going to use the bullshit agruement like "DB inspired other shounen and it is the father of shounen so it is better" I mean stfu that doesn't mean that it is better anyone with common sense can tell that there are better shounen and many better anime out there.Heck some DB fans even attack me on youtube comment section just because I said DB is not best anymore.

Both of them are equally annoying for me.

YariSama1228 said:
because DB doesnt have any good plots...and most of the characters are really basic.

Founder9 said:
Ah yes, another thread by alternative account of DB fanboy who still can't accept that there are better shounen than DB and look at this comments comparing DB with HxH, fullmetal alchemist etc lol.

Answer to your real question fullmetal alchemist also gets hate because of it's fanbase some of them have never watch it but still hate it because of it's fanbase every shounen gets hates and your statement that only DB gets hates is completely dumb.

I like DB but I hate the fanbase because everytime you talk with them they are going to say it is father of all shounen it is better because it inspired other shounen.

bigbooty_ said:


Yeah I love giving shine to relevant characters like Mr Satan, Goten, and Trunks. Dabura was totally utilized to his potential as a cool villain and Buu was VERY interesting and utilized well as the arc’s main villain. Piccolo and the humans were definitely relevant and everyone LOVES what they did to Gohan after the cell saga.

Ripper_30 said:

Funny how a One Piece fan is saying when Oda's 1049+ chapters in and still recycling. The fakeout deaths, visiting the new island, split up then reunite, get defeated couple times then win, then banquet. That shit is ass, That mf has been feeding you the same recycled Disney arcs for 25 years LMAOOO. Wano is the most inconsistent shit I've seen.

Ripper_30 said:

Funny how a One Piece fan is saying when Oda's 1049+ chapters in and still recycling. The fakeout deaths, visiting the new island, split up then reunite, get defeated couple times then win, then banquet. That shit is ass, That mf has been feeding you the same recycled Disney arcs for 25 years LMAOOO. Wano is the most inconsistent shit I've seen.

Ripper_30 said:

Funny how a One Piece fan is saying when Oda's 1049+ chapters in and still recycling. The fakeout deaths, visiting the new island, split up then reunite, get defeated couple times then win, then banquet. That shit is ass, That mf has been feeding you the same recycled Disney arcs for 25 years LMAOOO. Wano is the most inconsistent shit I've seen.

Ripper_30 said:

Funny how a One Piece fan is saying when Oda's 1049+ chapters in and still recycling. The fakeout deaths, visiting the new island, split up then reunite, get defeated couple times then win, then banquet. That shit is ass, That mf has been feeding you the same recycled Disney arcs for 25 years LMAOOO. Wano is the most inconsistent shit I've seen.

BettertastethenU said:



Explain exactly why dbz is so much deeper than we all think please explain. Also I’ve never said it didn’t have any depth I’m just saying it doesn’t have a lot. You’re straight up wrong about HXH that got a laugh outta me. So your gonna say that about HXH that was written by someone who actually storyboarded and did a lot of specific parallels and foreshadowing vs someone who who has been on record who writes in the moment with not much planning.

Ripper_30 said:

it's obvious you are one of those who only understands on-the-nose style of writing cuz there's no way you think YYH is better written than Dragon Ball when it's riddled with contrived writing. The so-called psychology is bare bones and deep ≠ better, the characters don't even come close. Yusuke's a Delinquent Goku essentially who's turned into Jesse Pinkman in dub with excessive added cursing in FUNimation script on his part. Dark Tournament is peak of the story and even it was boring for 2/3rd of the story and the final battle was amalgamation of Goku vs Freeza and Gohan vs Cell fight. You are just going in with second hand DB opinions at this point to Downplay it.

You can't tell me Yusuke, Kuwabara (lol) , Hiei (Dollar store Vegeta) and Kurama are better developed than Goku, Vegeta, Piccolo and Gohan. I am not even adding Future Trunks.

TheFireNinja said:
The people who make those comments are most likely kids or people who haven't mentally matured yet. FMA: B and HxH are common examples of elitist anime within the anime community. And most people who bandwagon off of the shounen hate-train tend to cite them as their favorites or shounen anime that they get some enjoyment out of. Although both are generic in their own ways. Characters like Edward Elric are any standard main character with a sad story backstory that goes on a quest. Not much stands out about him personality-wise other than his irritation at comments about his height. The only thing that I can see people gravitating to FMA: B for is its dark elements. But even then, other shounen anime can be just as dark.

As for HxH, the main cast are just as generic as any other cast of characters you see in shounen. Gon is a Goku clone; Killua is the friend and rival; Kurapika is the gloomy kid with a tragic backstory and motivation for revenge; and Leorio is the standard overly confident comic relief character that falls short in strength compared to the other main characters. People like to claim that it has huge relevance because of the fact that it came out before modern shounen anime. But most of the people who love HxH weren't born before it aired and published. Plus, if you've seen other shounen anime before it, you won't find it as unique. Maybe the gruesomeness and oddness of the world appeals to some people. As well as the mind games. But its attempts at psychological games can be kind of confusing at times.

YariSama1228 said:
poor thing 😭 somebody got triggered

kfsilver89 said:
you know what’s crazy? I’m more of a bigger fan of Dragon Ball Z than Yu yu Hakusho but yes! The spirit detective squad are more developed than the Z fighters. Also you saying delinquent Goku is a far more complex comparison than you let on. Just about every battle shonen series that came out after DBZ can be derived from Goku. Bringing up yu yu Hakusho’s main character is irrelevant when his personality is far far far different from Goku. Idk it’s hard to discuss this especially when I enjoyed DBZ more than Yu Yu Hakusho but to say DBZ has a better plot than Yu Yu Hakusho makes zero sense. What made DBZ amazing was because it didn’t need a good plot and have deep interpersonal relationships to remain as the GOAT.

Ripper_30 said:

Wrong, Toriyama planned Freeza arc since way back when he was writing 23rd Tenkaichi Budokai, it's evident by both the manga and interviews. And this was THE MEAT of the story. Stop downplaying Dragon Ball to prop HxH. Again, more deeper ≠ Better, Hunter X Hunter had 2 good arcs and even then, one of them was full of so much superfluous content. Hell, the Journey to Chimera Ant is painful one cuz Togashi added Greed Island which was one of the most boring stories ever told. You are confusing convulated and contrived for deep.

EDIT: Togashi himself isn't some planner, Chimera Ant arc came outta nowhere literally.