This series is so much better than all the controversial/perverted aspects

LostSpectre said:
Don't get me wrong, I love shameless ecchi as much as the next guy, but this show is actually good, it doesn't need all this weird shit or for the MC to potentially be a pedophile. Like, I can see an inferior product that needs all of these gimmicks to generate controversy or interest, but I can't help but think this stuff is nothing but a detriment to MT. To be clear, I'm not talking about fanservice like bikini armor or even sex scenes, those are fine.

Kot_Schlyopa said:
Its a decent show but its haters make a lot of noise.

-Senku- said:

that's the only thing I hate in this series, i don't give a fck about y'all talking how GREAT this ANIME is, yes it's good but all those unnecessary pedophilic services are not my shit, and in the novel it's more in number, like grooming, naked girl child sitting on naked man, running away with your aunt etc, and i don't think i can watch it if season 3 comes(unless i make sure from somebody that it doesn't contain those things first). And mind you i am an ecchi enjoyer, but the way MT shows ecchi is not my type.

LostSpectre said:
For me the tone is just way off, they feel like they belong in a different show altogether. I won't pretend to have an issue with loli stuff in general, because I don't, it just doesn't work for me. It reminds me of Fairy Tail with the massive tits and constant fanservice being at odds with the whole friendship/family vibe it has going on.

-Senku- said:

yeah it's good but why do you think high school of dead, High school DXD, to love ru, plunderer, Maken ki etc doesn't get in controversy? cuz IT IS controversial that the way MT shows what's ecchi is like. And when we are constantly reminded that he is a 30+yr dude who was rejoicing that he finally lost his virginity to 13-14yr old, NAH i can't take that shit. Remove all of that and we have an even better show which doesn't require a R-18 tag and everyone can enjoy.

LostSpectre said:
Don't get me wrong, I love shameless ecchi as much as the next guy, but this show is actually good, it doesn't need all this weird shit or for the MC to potentially be a pedophile. Like, I can see an inferior product that needs all of these gimmicks to generate controversy or interest, but I can't help but think this stuff is nothing but a detriment to MT. To be clear, I'm not talking about fanservice like bikini armor or even sex scenes, those are fine.

LostSpectre said:
Don't get me wrong, I love shameless ecchi as much as the next guy, but this show is actually good, it doesn't need all this weird shit or for the MC to potentially be a pedophile. Like, I can see an inferior product that needs all of these gimmicks to generate controversy or interest, but I can't help but think this stuff is nothing but a detriment to MT. To be clear, I'm not talking about fanservice like bikini armor or even sex scenes, those are fine.

GeoGeorge said:

Honestly, I don't care what people think about anime, but if you don't like it, it's, but we don't like to ruin our well-being either, you know? People who like to talk about anime with other people understand, but this kind of person (like you) can't stand it, you've ruined everyone's well-being when we watch anime, so shut up.

-Senku- said:

yeah it's good but why do you think high school of dead, High school DXD, to love ru, plunderer, Maken ki etc doesn't get in controversy? cuz IT IS controversial that the way MT shows what's ecchi is like. And when we are constantly reminded that he is a 30+yr dude who was rejoicing that he finally lost his virginity to 13-14yr old, NAH i can't take that shit. Remove all of that and we have an even better show which doesn't require a R-18 tag and everyone can enjoy.

Bryceazarb said:
It’s crazy that people don’t understand that the pedophilic aspects are part of the mc’s character development, who was an absolute fucking perverted loser in his first life, who grows to care about life and the people in his new life and actually gain respect for women and to get out of his old shitty weird habits. People who can’t get over it are just fucking weird.

IhnalakoKaina said:
I think the plot is certainly good and well executed. Everything makes sense and every development is within logic.

The problem is the utter degeneracy the author stuffed into the characters to make it dark and gruesome. Even though I hate the word edgy and its overuse, it applies to this show perfectly.

I can't help but think that there is no need for rudeus to be such a loud mouthed, clueless, arrogant, shameless perverted prick, or elinalise, the walking std, to get a train ran on her every other scene, and so on. The number of characters that aren't in some way on the level of a felon or a sex offender is probably 2. And that really drags down the potential of MT.

-Senku- said:

that's the only thing I hate in this series, i don't give a fck about y'all talking how GREAT this ANIME is, yes it's good but all those unnecessary pedophilic services are not my shit, and in the novel it's more in number, like grooming, naked girl child sitting on naked man, running away with your aunt etc, and i don't think i can watch it if season 3 comes(unless i make sure from somebody that it doesn't contain those things first). And mind you i am an ecchi enjoyer, but the way MT shows ecchi is not my type.

RagingDingo said:
Yeah, but I myself do not find the perverted aspects "controversial", i think it is just a part of comedy that is a tad bit better for mature audiences

Getrkkt said:


What a moronic fucking take, MC is reincarnated as a kid so obv his interaction will be with peers of his age which happen to be kids.

No Literary significance?
Lets me explain in simple terms so your smoothbrain can understand.

Mc is a pedo. Author aims to show how even the lowest of the low can improve

What is the best way to depict the MC as a pedo? Obv doing pedo shit. An exposition or narration of his fucked up acts isn't enough for character development, so the anime deliberately uses his 40 year old voice when doing the said fucked up things to emphasize that he is indeed a pedo.

As MC grows up as a normal kid in this new world and learn to socialise(something he didn't in his past life), he reflects on the fucked up shit that he had been doing and improves himself.(just count the number of sexual scenes of part 2 compared to 1).

Getrkkt said:


maybe mature shows just aren't for you. You wouldn't have this much controversy over the pedo mc if the anime didn't want you to view the Mc as a pedo.
its played for laughs cause the show is set in a medieval period where the shit rudeus does is normal and most people are even worse than rudeus. Also don't try to act like it's a MT exclusive thing. Off the top of my head, you had nagatoro last season playing off mental abuse and physical harrassment for laughs, Nanatsu no taizai playing off sexual abuse for laughs, etc. Its a problem with the medium itself, if you have such a problem with it maybe you shouldn't be watching anime

Nogscy said:
Imo those aspects are really important. As he comes further into his journey he realises some of the stuff he has done is wrong. So basicly quickly explained the premise of the show is to see rudeus grow as a person and yeah i think the story is perfectly written imo

LostSpectre said:
That line of thinking doesn't hold water, because we're meant to laugh at all his perverted antics, the author doesn't care that Rudy is essentially a pedophile or that he is inappropriate towards children. His character growth is all about him overcoming his trauma and learning from his past mistakes, but his pervy behavior is not really part of that at all.

Nogscy said:
i would say that overall he grows as a person throughout the whole story and yes i read the novels but i can see why someone wouldnt like it but in reality this is not too bad with all the fanservice compared to other shows and someone could have the argument that it isnt pedophile because he is a kid. Now im not saying i feel like this but just something to think about. Isnt it normal to fall in love with someone the same age as you?

mq003at said:
The problem lies more in the isekai tag than the grooming itself to be honest.

If you look at Snow White of Disney, she is 15 as well when she marries Prince Charming, and nobody cares. Isekai anime is for the audience to self-insert themselves to. If you look at most of the Isekai, it is written for you to imagine that 'if I am lucky, I will be reincarnate into that world'.

But MT is not an Isekai. Yes, the MC was reborn in another world but by the way it is written, it is more like Fantasy. You are not supposed to project yourself, so yeah, you cannot destroy slavery system or evil kingdom like other Isekai. Just like Game of Throne, you have to abide by the world's rule and play with it.

Now, combining this with a drama tragedy story about a trash person trying to become better and make it extremely surreal, you will have something like uncanny valley. It is no wonder why many people get angry about this.

If you read the next work of the author, this series is pretty vanilla, to be honest.

LostSpectre said:
I didn't deny that he grows as a person, I'm just saying that his pervy behavior is never treated as something bad, that he needs to grow out of. It is treated purely as comedy, fanservice or for entertainment value, it exists because the author wants to write a story about that kind of stuff, it doesn't serve a serious literary purpose. As for your other question, I assume that aspect would be received much better if the MC doesn't start off as a creepy degenerate. If he was a much more likable protagonist, then I think people complaining about a mental age gap would be in the minority.

mq003at said:
The problem lies more in the isekai tag than the grooming itself to be honest.

If you look at Snow White of Disney, she is 15 as well when she marries Prince Charming, and nobody cares. Isekai anime is for the audience to self-insert themselves to. If you look at most of the Isekai, it is written for you to imagine that 'if I am lucky, I will be reincarnate into that world'.

But MT is not an Isekai. Yes, the MC was reborn in another world but by the way it is written, it is more like Fantasy. You are not supposed to project yourself, so yeah, you cannot destroy slavery system or evil kingdom like other Isekai. Just like Game of Throne, you have to abide by the world's rule and play with it.

Now, combining this with a drama tragedy story about a trash person trying to become better and make it extremely surreal, you will have something like uncanny valley. It is no wonder why many people get angry about this.

If you read the next work of the author, this series is pretty vanilla, to be honest.

LostSpectre said:
I disagree that these things are supposed to be dark/gruesome, because they are constantly played off as perverted humor, which completely tanks the idea that his degeneracy is somehow a vehicle to show his character growth. No, if anything it all comes across as juvenile, and these lowbrow fetish-y type gimmicks feel beneath the overall quality of the show. Perhaps this all makes more sense in the LN, as that is a much different kind of medium, but it only drags the show down.

Rain_O7 said:

You all are making it worse like- ur focusing only on the bad side of the story. I personally enjoy the anime becuz of its story. Sure I do agree that there are some elements that are unacceptable and clearly pedophilic but everything is fiction and as long as y'all can draw a healthy line between what's right, what's wrong and what's reality or what's fiction then it's alright , Rambling about it will not get those elementss removed anyways , I am not saying that it is allowed to depict all this and nod away with everything they do we are allowed to criticise but not to harass. If u don't like something don't give a fvck. thinking abt things u hate and focusing abt the bad parts is a waste of time and will only distract u from what good parts the story has to offer.

EdgyLord666 said:
I'm fine with the questionable aspects in the show, it's the execution that sucks.

You have a pedopil successfully grooming a kid. What kind of message you wanna give to viewers lol?

LostSpectre said:
The execution is baffling, in the WN he is jerking off to his young niece that he has been illegally filming. I can't even imagine the author's thought process, like not only does that make this guy virtually irredeemable, but then we're also supposed to laugh at his pedo antics in the new world? Even changing it to him being a lolicon is still dubious, you aren't doing yourself any favors by trying to make the MC unlikable, he is already a complete failure, that is worthy of contempt alone in Japan, regardless of his circumstances.

FocusIssues said:


Time to lock the thread. This is one person's rant, someone who hasn't watched the whole show or read the novels. Moderators need to step up here. I've read all he novels and the subject matter and its depiction are completely necessary because it is a first-person diary-style story. In fact, Rudeus will keep his own diary later on in the story. Repetitious trolling rant threads are a an appeal to censorship and I as well as a lot of other fans are sick of it. Even were I not a fan, I would support locking such threads because the purpose is not to discuss but to cancel.

FocusIssues said:


Time to lock the thread. This is one person's rant, someone who hasn't watched the whole show or read the novels. Moderators need to step up here. I've read all he novels and the subject matter and its depiction are completely necessary because it is a first-person diary-style story. In fact, Rudeus will keep his own diary later on in the story. Repetitious trolling rant threads are a an appeal to censorship and I as well as a lot of other fans are sick of it. Even were I not a fan, I would support locking such threads because the purpose is not to discuss but to cancel.

LostSpectre said:
That logic doesn't hold up whatsoever when the author uses these perverted elements for humor and fanservice. The reality is that the author just wants to have lolicon content in his work, there's no need to try and justify it as having literary significance.

IhnalakoKaina said:
The road to hell is paved with good intentions. The fact that he wants to become a better person (which I doubt) is eclipsed by the fact that he seemingly hasn't learned almost anything and is currently a dumbass. Like when he ran his mouth without reading into his surroundings twice; once to break his dad's heart, and the other to almost get himself and his friends killed. Or when he left that one adventurer die in the forest because he wanted better optics. In short, people have every right to say that rudeus is an idiot. But that's not the issue here.

IhnalakoKaina said:
From a story standpoint that is all fine. As long as it is interesting, congruent and original I'd rate it a 10/10. It is the fact that so many characters seem to be needlessly sexually deranged that is making people go "ugh" and frown in cringe when watching.

What's good about the story is not that rudeus puts panties on his face while he fights and oogles women, or that he often spews perverted remarks, or that he gropes his underage cousin in her sleep. And these "jokes" really do nothing for the show except drag it down. For ecchi "humor", it really is crass and crude, and it gives the impression that it is only there for shock and controversy.

The fact that the characters go through hardship and make (numerous) mistakes has nothing to do with this. The fact that there is so much sexual perversion does.

IhnalakoKaina said:


I haven't watched db, gto, one piece or naruto, but I think it is fair to say that not all of those are known primarily for their sexually perverted cast. You can count the number of mt characters that are not somehow sexual deviants with one hand.

A more fair comparison for rudeus would be hs dxd's main character (which I also haven't watched and most likely never will), whose whole bit is to be "ecchi" and a "hentai". Mushoku tensei doesn't present itself as that kind of show, but as more of an adventure type. So when they force those tropes up everyone's ass and make them dance to the rythm of sexual depravity, it only really works to put down an otherwise serious and interesting show.

Opticflash said:
I count two people who are perverts in Mushoku Tensei; Rudeus and Paul. Rudeus is by far the biggest offender, and his pervertedness is played for laughs.

If you watch the original Dragon Ball series, old man Master Roshi asks to look at teen Bulma's underwear, enters women's rooms, gropes women, and reads porn magazines. These moments are supposed to be funny. Yet, these moments that were sprinkled into the work has nothing to do with the rest of the plot at all.

In Great Teacher Onizuka, the ratio of perverts in the anime is far higher than Mushoku Tensei. Almost all of the male teachers are perverts who lewd on high school girls. Moreover, Onizuka's (the main character's) motive is driven by his pervertedness; he initially becomes a teacher for the sole purpose of finding a high school girl to date. Yet, the main theme of the plot could not be further from the comedic relief that the "pervert" trope brings; it's about mental issues that high school and Japanese culture brings and how Onizuka becomes a teacher they can look up to.

What I am trying to say is that random X moment added to the anime (or that it contrasts more serious undertones - see GTO as an example) isn't necessarily a detractor, and that X being perverted moments for comedic relief is a decades-old anime trope.

kushakashi said:
um . . . hello? what you call "controversial/perverted aspects" are a big part of the story, if you disregard them then all thats left is generic brainless isekai with good animation aka no better than sao