| I watched this show because I'd heard a lot about it lately. Got up to Episode 10 and it had been pretty good so far, a different feel to the usual Shonen battle affair. But now this Zenitsu character has reappeared, been in two back to back episodes and has dragged the anime right down. The same old constant screaming and spineless behaviour. Basically an even more obnoxious version of Usopp. It's really made the anime childish and unfunny which it didn't seem to be going with for the first 10 episodes. Is this problem going to remain throughout? Is the character gonna stick around now or is he gonna disappear again? If not then how long does the crybaby act continue for? |
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| he's a soft boy uwu |
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| In the MAL community, he is despised but if you go on Instagram and say that, prepare for a wave of attacks by females |
| ^^^^This His faboys stan HARD for him. Japanese fandom also likes him quite a bit. Anways, no he doesn't change for the foreseeable future and ignore the people that say he gets "badass in the manga". They're overhyping it while ignoring the context and time. |
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Bubalubagus said: Also, I noticed you insulted usopp who is actually one of the best members of the straw hats. So clearly we have different opinions on what makes a character good or bad. Zenitsu will eventually stop being a crybaby and gets serious, but this transition will not fully take form until the end of the story. Usopp is a good enough character but there was more to him than just wailing. It's only been a couple episodes but that's all this Zenitsu has done, there's nothing else to him but screaming and wailing. I suppose it's meant to be funny but it isn't. Yeah the comments seem to imply he's gonna stay that way so that's unfortunate. |
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| I didn't read the manga but from what i've seen in anime he's just garbage...random screaming like a re**rd and trying to be "funny" but he only manages to annoy the sh*t outta me and make my ears bleed....even bakugou (now that you mentioned him) is more reliable that this obnoxious trash. |
Ushiromiya Battler, right now, on this island, no one exists except for you. You're the only one alive in this island. However I'm here right now, and i'm about to kill you. Who... am I? |
| He is awful character. Nothing is good about him. |
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Sakuta34_12 said: He is awful character. Nothing is good about him. Yep, now on Episode 14 and except for like 30 seconds when he killed someone he's been terrible. It's a shame because the anime was actually pretty good and now this one character alone has brought it all the way down and turned it silly and childish. It seemed above that when it started. It's almost like some manga editor complained about the series being too violent and dark so he pushed the author into including a generic unfunny obnoxious character to appeal to kids. |
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NieziGP said: Yeah, until ep 9, 10 everything was perfect (inspite of all that shounen "i wanna be strong" stuff). But now there's only scream and scream and Child and scream and scream and cry and scream. It's unbearable, it's ruining the story. Yep disappointed really. The start of the series seemed like it was going to break away from the usual Shonen Jump affair. It was atmospheric and violent. The main characters and the villains were interesting. Then once this Zenitsu came into it and now the show has turned to the same generic anime you always get complete with unfunny humour. First you had a constant obnoxious wailing character but since I made the thread there's now this Warthog Mask character who is a constant obnoxious shouting character. For some reason Japan always seem to think that "BEING LOUD" equates to humour. That Asta was like that in Black Clover and he was awful too. |
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scabab said: For some reason Japan always seem to think that "BEING LOUD" equates to humour. That Asta was like that in Black Clover and he was awful too. Yes, just like americans and fart jokes. |
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| One of worst characters I've come across, he's a giant cancer throughout. |
| I think it's completely understandable to dislike his character, he is quite loud, and sometimes it's a little much for me as well. I'm fine with him being a crybaby, although I do wish it was shown in a more quiet way. However, slapstick seems to be pretty popular in Japan, so it makes sense that he would be portrayed in such a way. I have yet to finish the series, but so far, I don't think he's quite that bad. When he isn't screaming, I actually really like his character. He seems to have a lot of anxiety, which is something I relate to as well haha. Plus, I like the character design too. Even if he is annoying at times, I much prefer it over a character with no personality, shows that thought was actually put into his character. Obviously I can't answer your question, but I just wanted to chip in a bit of my opinion anyways :) |
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Emillian said: its a shounen and he will eventually get character devolopment like any other shounenI didn't read the manga but from what i've seen in anime he's just garbage...random screaming like a re**rd and trying to be "funny" but he only manages to annoy the sh*t outta me and make my ears bleed....even bakugou (now that you mentioned him) is more reliable that this obnoxious trash. |
Zoro69420 said: Emillian said: its a shounen and he will eventually get character devolopment like any other shounenI didn't read the manga but from what i've seen in anime he's just garbage...random screaming like a re**rd and trying to be "funny" but he only manages to annoy the sh*t outta me and make my ears bleed....even bakugou (now that you mentioned him) is more reliable that this obnoxious trash. i am really hoping for that |
Ushiromiya Battler, right now, on this island, no one exists except for you. You're the only one alive in this island. However I'm here right now, and i'm about to kill you. Who... am I? |
Emillian said: yes, read the manga if you want to know but he becomes badass later on, probably I like zenitsu and inosuke more than gonpachiro kamaboko in the manga xDZoro69420 said: its a shounen and he will eventually get character devolopment like any other shounen i am really hoping for that |
Zoro69420 said: yes, read the manga if you want to know but he becomes badass later on, probably I like zenitsu and inosuke more than gonpachiro kamaboko in the manga xD I guess you hate tanjiro. Oh, am i right? |
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Zoro69420 said: ever heard of character development? That's not something that matters when the character is atrocious from the start. If Jar Jar Binks had character development in Attack of the Clones it wouldn't have stopped him from being insufferable in The Phantom Menace. Just like whatever might happen with Zenitsu won't stop him from being a dreadful character who has ruined several episodes in a row. Agamenon said: Dude it's a shonen and you seem to be knowledgeable about the genre so you should know that there must a a childish character somewhere that will learn to be stronger through the series. He won't change during this season, at least not a lot, but giving it's shonen I'm sure he will eventually. It's not uncommon but usually the obnoxious level is kept down, they are offset by other character traits or they are more of a background character. Like Krillin, he was a weakling, he panicked regularly but he wasn't constantly like that and is other wise a good and likable character. Same with Usopp to a lesser extent. Someone mentioned Mineta, he's one of those obnoxious wailing characters too but he appears infrequently, he's not in back to back episodes. |
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Sakuta34_12 said: no...why.............Zoro69420 said: yes, read the manga if you want to know but he becomes badass later on, probably I like zenitsu and inosuke more than gonpachiro kamaboko in the manga xD I guess you hate tanjiro. Oh, am i right? |
scabab said: stop watching this anime then no one cares if you like zenitsu or not personally I like tanjiro, zenitsu and inosuke the same. Not everyone has the same opinion as yours, so stop watching this anime if you dont like it.Zoro69420 said: ever heard of character development? That's not something that matters when the character is atrocious from the start. If Jar Jar Binks had character development in Attack of the Clones it wouldn't have stopped him from being insufferable in The Phantom Menace. Just like whatever might happen with Zenitsu won't stop him from being a dreadful character who has ruined several episodes in a row. Agamenon said: Dude it's a shonen and you seem to be knowledgeable about the genre so you should know that there must a a childish character somewhere that will learn to be stronger through the series. He won't change during this season, at least not a lot, but giving it's shonen I'm sure he will eventually. It's not uncommon but usually the obnoxious level is kept down, they are offset by other character traits or they are more of a background character. Like Krillin, he was a weakling, he panicked regularly but he wasn't constantly like that and is other wise a good and likable character. Same with Usopp to a lesser extent. Someone mentioned Mineta, he's one of those obnoxious wailing characters too but he appears infrequently, he's not in back to back episodes. |
| Nah, IMO he is one of the best characters in the series. |
| I think he's pretty okay |
| Zenitsu is one of the most retarded characters I have ever seen in animes, in the manga he's a lot better because you don't have to hear him scream his lungs out like an idiot. This anime started pretty damn good and once that goddamn crybaby zenitsu came into the picture the anime went downhill for me. It's still a pretty good anime though because it had other good things going for it like amazing animation, fight scenes, directing, choreography, etc... but goddamn, zenitsu almost made me drop this anime, they went overboard with that screaming shit, the anime tried too hard to be appealing to the kids with that type of BS. |
anime-primeJun 7, 2020 6:45 AM
| It’s a shounen for a reason... lol |
| Double cup full of purrp, you can see me leanin. |
| People need to understand that the author write stuff not for people in the West but for people in Japan, who like this kind of humor and characters. Also@Zoro69420, you know that Usopp only get better because we get to know him overtime right? Judging a character as worst base on his or her first appearance is meaningless since you need time to expand the character. Zenitsu raise a lot of questions in his introduction, like why he even joined? how can he pass the exam? Who trained him? You can't expect the story to told you everything since the moment this character show up, that bad story telling. |
| Further into the anime now. There was a really good couple of episodes with a particularly good fight with whoever that white demon boy was and that was largely because Zenitsu was knocked out at the time. Since then the character has come back into it and has non stop shouted and wailed. I've never known a character to single handedly cause a series to make such a sharp 180 in quality. It goes from being genuinely good to complete dog shit depending on whether that character is around or not. Turns it from a dark violent show to some childish unfunny gag rubbish. It's like if they put Jar Jar Binks as a main character in The Dark Knight. |
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ExaltedChampion said: People need to understand that the author write stuff not for people in the West but for people in Japan, who like this kind of humor and characters. Japan have always had terrible taste in humour when it comes to "yelling is funny!" but it's never been done to such an obnoxious extent as this. Zenitsu raise a lot of questions in his introduction, like why he even joined? how can he pass the exam? Who trained him? You can't expect the story to told you everything since the moment this character show up, that bad story telling. That would be something interesting for other characters but when it's a horrific character like Zenitsu who ruins every single minute of the anime that he's on screen for them I don't really care. I don't really care to know why he's constantly screaming and wailing. I just want him to not do it. I am more interested in if he's going to be killed off or if there's any stretches where he's not in it for a while. |
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| [quote=scabab message=59784597] ExaltedChampion said: People need to understand that the author write stuff not for people in the West but for people in Japan, who like this kind of humor and characters. Japan have always had terrible taste in humour when it comes to "yelling is funny!" but it's never been done to such an obnoxious extent as this. |
anime-primeJun 7, 2020 6:46 AM
ExaltedChampion said: And is there any problem with that? Yes because it ruined a lot of the potential that the show had. |
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ExaltedChampion said: For you maybe. Not for other people Well that'd be the bad taste in humour I was referring to. |
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scabab said: ExaltedChampion said: For you maybe. Not for other people Well that'd be the bad taste in humour I was referring to. Look at me. I have superior sense of humor compare to those Japanese people who only have bad taste despite difference culture have difference reference for stuff like humor. |
ExaltedChampion said: Look at me. I have superior sense of humor compare to those Japanese people who only have bad taste despite difference culture have difference reference for stuff like humor. Well I don't find constant wailing screeching behaviour funny just like nobody in real life would so yes. It being a different culture doesn't stop it from still being unfunny. This isn't a Japanese forum. |
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scabab said: ExaltedChampion said: Look at me. I have superior sense of humor compare to those Japanese people who only have bad taste despite difference culture have difference reference for stuff like humor. Well I don't find constant wailing screeching behaviour funny just like nobody in real life would so yes. It being a different culture doesn't stop it from still being unfunny. This isn't a Japanese forum. Nice to see you just assume everyone share the same taste. Humanity isn't a hivemind. And there certainly people who found his funny. Like the people that voted him for second place. Humor is subjective. So calling people have bad taste because they don't share your sense of humor is pretentious and elitist. |
ExaltedChampion said: [Like the people that voted him for second place. In Japan. Humor is subjective. So calling people have bad taste because they don't share your sense of humor is pretentious and elitist. If people think wailing and screeching is funny then that is a bad taste in humour. It may be in their culture because they're all so shy and reserved but there's nothing funny about it. There's nothing pretentious about it, it's not done in most western media because they know how obnoxious it would be. |
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scabab said: ExaltedChampion said: [Like the people that voted him for second place. In Japan. Humor is subjective. So calling people have bad taste because they don't share your sense of humor is pretentious and elitist. If people think wailing and screeching is funny then that is a bad taste in humour. It may be in their culture because they're all so shy and reserved but there's nothing funny about it. There's nothing pretentious about it, it's not done in most western media because they know how obnoxious it would be. Again what Westerner think is annoying doesn't translate to everyone else too. The same with things been funny or not. It sound like you is saying that Western media and culture are superior to these Japanese because they don't have the same culture value as the Westerners and found thing Westerners see as annoying funny. This have been a thing for centuries in Japan. Heck even old Japanese theater have this kind of humor. Finally what you said can be flip back too. People can find those Westerner humor annoying too. Does that mean you have bad taste too since other people find that the types of humor you like are stupid and annoying? |
ExaltedChampion said: Heck even old Japanese theater have this kind of humor. But I don't care about that, I'm not Japanese. This thread was me asking if Zenitsu was a awful character throughout the whole show, having now it seen its because obvious that the answer is yes he was awful throughout. Does that mean you have bad taste too since other people find that the types of humor you like are stupid and annoying? That would depend on what they find stupid and annoying. |
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scabab said: ExaltedChampion said: Heck even old Japanese theater have this kind of humor. But I don't care about that, I'm not Japanese. This thread was me asking if Zenitsu was a awful character throughout the whole show, having now it seen its because obvious that the answer is yes he was awful throughout. Does that mean you have bad taste too since other people find that the types of humor you like are stupid and annoying? That would depend on what they find stupid and annoying. So you want answer then. No he not. Awful characters mean those have no development, no redeeming quality and no impact on the plot, not whether you find his antic annoying or not since that base on your personal feeling. Zenitsu does matter to the plot. 1 point. He does get development and his character grow throughout the show and the series. 2 points. Finally his redeeming quality is showed from the start through small action that speak. You just can't see it because all you can focus in is how he not appeal to you.3 points. |
ExaltedChampion said: So you want answer then. No he not. Awful characters mean those have no development, no redeeming quality and no impact on the plot, not whether you find his antic annoying or not since that base on your personal feeling. No he stayed awful from start to finish. Characters having impact and development doesn't automatically make them a good character. Once again Jar Jar Binks had those things and he was still an awful character. Zenitsu being a main character obviously would have those things going for him. Pretty much every single main protagonist in any Shonen anime ever has some form of development or impact so by that logic none of them could ever be bad. Zenitsu constantly from start o finish being annoying, obnoxious, unfunny and mainly ruining the entire time of the series by turning it from a dark and violent anime into a childish gag anime whenever he was on screen is what makes him an awful character. |
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scabab said: ExaltedChampion said: So you want answer then. No he not. Awful characters mean those have no development, no redeeming quality and no impact on the plot, not whether you find his antic annoying or not since that base on your personal feeling. No he stayed awful from start to finish. Characters having impact and development doesn't automatically make them a good character. Once again Jar Jar Binks had those things and he was still an awful character. Zenitsu being a main character obviously would have those things going for him. Pretty much every single main protagonist in any Shonen anime ever has some form of development or impact so by that logic none of them could ever be bad. Zenitsu constantly from start o finish being annoying, obnoxious, unfunny and mainly ruining the entire time of the series by turning it from a dark and violent anime into a childish gag anime whenever he was on screen is what makes him an awful character. Woah why can't it be brooding and dark all the time to masturbate my sense of fake maturity. This kind of mentality is so stupid. Dismiss something because it feel childish is in fact the greatest prove you just an edgy teenager. Also have you ever hear anything called tonal contrast. The thing about dark and violent tone is that it can't sustain a show forever. You need created contrast tone so the viewers don't feel tired and bored. The lighter and funny moments help highlight the tragic, dark part. You need time for the heroes to relax rather than been intense all the time. Also how did he stay awful from start to finish? That called character consistency. You want your character to develop but also don't go too far from their original character. What make a character development good it that it emphersize their good trait and minimize the bad trait. In Zenitsu case his main problem that he lack confident because no one believe in him to success. by the end he found companionship that trust him and not put him down. In turn he became braver and generally became the straight man for the group . If you found him annoying from the start it of course you not gonna like him even if he developed. However that is your subjective opinion, not fact. |
ExaltedChampion said: Dismiss something because it feel childish is in fact the greatest prove you just an edgy teenager. Grow up. These kind of anime, battle anime that originate out of Weekly Shonen Jump all share the same tone from one to another. This initially was not like, being darker and more violent than the usual generic affair. Once Zenitsu came into it though it turned into exactly that, another childish "humourous" dime a dozen battle anime. The thing about dark and violent tone is that it can't sustain a show forever. Berserk says otherwise. Also how did he stay awful from start to finish? That called character consistency. That's not the consistency you want from a character. I know what the character is supposed to be going for, the whole "Oh I have friends now so I have to get stronger and braver to protect them" trope that's done over and over. None of this at all stops the character from still being obnoxious, awful and ruining the episodes that he's a part of. It doesn't matter if it's part of development or any other reason. All that matters is that he's ruining the show. |
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scabab said: ExaltedChampion said: Dismiss something because it feel childish is in fact the greatest prove you just an edgy teenager. Grow up. These kind of anime, battle anime that originate out of Weekly Shonen Jump all share the same tone from one to another. This initially was not like, being darker and more violent than the usual generic affair. Once Zenitsu came into it though it turned into exactly that, another childish "humourous" dime a dozen battle anime. The thing about dark and violent tone is that it can't sustain a show forever. Berserk says otherwise. Also how did he stay awful from start to finish? That called character consistency. That's not the consistency you want from a character. I know what the character is supposed to be going for, the whole "Oh I have friends now so I have to get stronger and braver to protect them" trope that's done over and over. None of this at all stops the character from still being obnoxious, awful and ruining the episodes that he's a part of. It doesn't matter if it's part of development or any other reason. All that matters is that he's ruining the show. Again, for you. Subjective. Not everyone feel the same. Not fact. |
ExaltedChampion said: Not everyone feel the same. Which goes back to the bad taste. |
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ExaltedChampion said: Again, for you. Subjective. Not everyone feel the same. Not fact. Oh please, the same can be said for you guys that find these type of stupid humor funny, zenitsu screaming all the time he appears on screen doesn't equal to good comedy either because it's all "subjective" right?, some people may find that type of stupid shit funny and others won't, the fact of the matter is that zenitsu is ruining the anime for some people and this is a fact, you may like stupid crap like this (again, "subjective") and others won't so please, stop throwing that "subjective" card over and over again because your comments are not "fact" either according to your own logic. Zenitsu has been a controversial character since the moment he appeared on screen, he's literally the ONLY character in the entire anime that has people debating over his retarded stupid screaming shit and this is a fact, some people even dropped the anime because of him and this is also a fact, I was also pretty close in dropping this amazing anime thanks to that retarded character which is also a fact, these facts I just pointed out are not "subjective", they are "facts", he's simply ruining this anime for some people and this is a "fact". Zenitsu may have saved the manga (according to some people) but he didn't save the anime, this anime was pretty damn good since the beginning and had a pretty good rating even before that retarded zenitsu came into the picture. Anyway, zenitsu is a much better character in the manga because we don't have to hear him scream, I have no problem with characters having "character development" as long as they don't act retarded and make my ears bleed like zenitsu. |
| [quote=Zoro69420 message=59793451][quote=xZabuzax message=59793441] ExaltedChampion said: Woah, it is like KnY is on a magazine that the primary target audience are Japanese kids, who like this kind of humor or something and not people from across a ocean with difference reference The kids I was referring to are 7 year old kids who lack critical thinking skills who think that a character shouting and screaming 90% of the time they appear on screen is somewhat funny, yep, amazing comedy right there folks. That's simply ear rape and forced comedy. This anime was doing perfectly fine without Zenitsu around but the moment that retard appeared on screen we had plenty of people complaining about him. There was clearly something wrong with that character because people won't just complain without a reason, this is Asta from Black Clover all over again *facepalm*. Culture humor reprise from what go again what is the norm of that culture. For example Westerner think gay people are funny cause it go again the norm of the society. The same go for Japanese. It basically an in-joke that only that particular group of people understand. Japan culture is restrain and private, that why Japanese people found loud character funny. The problem with early KnY is that it lack character dynamic. Do you why every Shounen i have an assembly cast? it because it need character with difference personality to play off each other. Also i just do Japanese, the people who this series was aimed as and made for, complained about him too? No, in fact he a much beloved character in Japan. So in essence, your complain of him just a minority when most people are fine with the character |
xZabuzax said: ExaltedChampion said: Culture humor reprise from what go again what is the norm of that culture. For example Westerner think gay people are funny cause it go again the norm of the society. The same go for Japanese. It basically an in-joke that only that particular group of people understand. Japan culture is restrain and private, that why Japanese people found loud character funny. Don't get me wrong, I know that some culture have stupid crap that they find funny or acceptable, for example, some countries/cities have people drinking raw Camel piss thinking that it's healthy, they find that crap acceptable when it's not. I have to stop you right there because I don't agree with it, this anime was doing pretty fine in the beginning without Zenitsu in Japan and outside Japan and that's thanks to the other awesome stuff that this anime had, Zenitsu was not really needed, on the contrary, once that retard appeared on screen plenty of people started complaining. ExaltedChampion said: Do you why every Shounen i have an assembly cast? it because it need character with difference personality to play off each other. Also i just do Japanese, the people who this series was aimed as and made for, complained about him too? No, in fact he a much beloved character in Japan. So in essence, your complain of him just a minority when most people are fine with the character Yes I'm well aware that an anime needs character with different personalities, this isn't the reason we are complaining though, the reason we are complaining is because of the screaming and the ear rapes, there's plenty of characters with different personalities that doesn't do that. Doesn't matter if the Japanese doesn't complain about him or that we are the minority or whatever but he definitely ruined this anime to a lot of people so in essence, what happened with Zenitsu was counter-productive because this franchise lost more potential fans because of him. The anime was already doing fine without him and was gathering plenty of fans and once he appeared plenty of people dropped this anime and plenty of others kept watching it. If they just tonned down that screaming shit then they wouldn't have dropped it and hence, the anime would have had even more fans. Do you really think WSJ care about the taste of "potential fans" outside of Japan that don't buy the series from they or contribute to the sale? The series just sold became the most sold series this year and broke OP record even though it only May. So if what you said it true it wouldn't sold that much. Clearly people like the characters. For a Japanese series, the only thing that matter is the Japan market and it taste. Heck, the manga only starting to pick up steam after Zenitsu and Inosuke show up. |
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