0Megabyte said: I've loving seeing a lot of people hating on the show. It's fine, but it misses the point entirely. Sadly, the point has perhaps been made a little too subtly, underneath all the absurdity. This show is a condemnation of the perceived problems in anime. How many of you guys have seen the wall scrolls? The body pillows? The figurines? How many doujinshi have been made about these anime characters, sometimes officially? Am I the only one who's seen the official Blazblue artwork? The entire point of this show is to tear down the preconceptions of anime as it currently is, and it is an indictment of the massive sexualization of anime in general and female characters in particular. There are people here who dismiss it, but they are only seeing the surface. Take a look at pretty much any episode, and you see the intent. Heck, the first episode destroys the cliches about magical girls forever, at least for me. Ever since Sailor Moon we've had these absurd transformation sequences, used to show the characters naked. Sometimes they get to the point where they become disgusting. See Nanoha for an example. Yes, naked little girls covered only by magical colors is what I want to see, sure! /sarcasm. Panty and Stocking destroys the very concept by getting rid of any pretense. The magical girl transformation sequence becomes a pole dance as they remove their underwear. I just finished posting a long series of thoughts on the show in another thread, so I won't go farther, but I will say this: The show may be reveling in its outrageousness, it may be having very obvious fun with what it's doing, but that doesn't take away from its goal, to lay bare the problems of anime and over-sexualization of female characters. By taking it to its logical conclusion. +1 yep this series is really a "f*ck you" to all stereotypes and cliches of animes nowadays Its not "Anime of the year" nor "Worst anime of the year"...its more like "Out of the Box anime of the year"! |
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0Megabyte said: I've loving seeing a lot of people hating on the show. It's fine, but it misses the point entirely. Sadly, the point has perhaps been made a little too subtly, underneath all the absurdity. I love seeing mindless wannabee edgy kids try to defend this show. They like to to think just because you did some thing opposite makes you original. This show is a condemnation of the perceived problems in anime. Oh boy here we go. You probably thinks Evangelion is a "Deconstruction" of Mecha too. How many of you guys have seen the wall scrolls? The body pillows? The figurines? How many doujinshi have been made about these anime characters, sometimes officially? Am I the only one who's seen the official Blazblue artwork? The entire point of this show is to tear down the preconceptions of anime as it currently is, and it is an indictment of the massive sexualization of anime in general and female characters in particular. Well if that was the point of the show it failed miserably, All Panty and stocking did was just hyper sexualize. It's like trying to fight a fire by throwing gun powder on it. There are people here who dismiss it, but they are only seeing the surface. Take a look at pretty much any episode, and you see the intent. Heck, the first episode destroys the cliches about magical girls forever, at least for me. Ignoring the fact that the magical girl genre has been basically dead since the early 90's and only mentioned or used in a mocking fashion since. Other anime far before panty and stocking have already well traveled this area. Ever since Sailor Moon we've had these absurd transformation sequences, used to show the characters naked. Sometimes they get to the point where they become disgusting. See Nanoha for an example. Yes, naked little girls covered only by magical colors is what I want to see, sure! /sarcasm. Panty and Stocking destroys the very concept by getting rid of any pretense. The magical girl transformation sequence becomes a pole dance as they remove their underwear. again they failed at this too, Panty and Stocking's trans animations are actually extremely tame compared to what other anime has done in the past. I just finished posting a long series of thoughts on the show in another thread, so I won't go farther, but I will say this: The show may be reveling in its outrageousness, it may be having very obvious fun with what it's doing, but that doesn't take away from its goal, to lay bare the problems of anime and over-sexualization of female characters. By taking it to its logical conclusion. See this is what you people fail to understand. There is being outrageous for the sake of sending a message and then there is being outrageous for the sake of being outrageous. Which Panty and Stocking was just Outrageous for the sake of being Outrageous, it's the difference between being a Prophet and being an Attention whore. The creators just took a bunch of influences from other places slapped then together ad hoc with out even bothering to understand what they mean or how they should be used. |
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| I'm sorry, 0Megabyte, because I agree with a lot of what you're saying about the sexualization in anime, but you are definitely overthinking this. I find it incredibly hard to believe that Gainax, a studio that thrives on such sexualization, would randomly decide that it's a problem; especially when the other option is 'Gainax made something extremely over the top just for the sake of it', which fits their usual M.O. Usually, I'm happy to overthink things until the cows come home, but with P&SwG, I'm pretty sure that it's just a case of 'what you see is what it is'. |
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Mortrialus said: sillyriri said: I'm sorry, 0Megabyte, because I agree with a lot of what you're saying about the sexualization in anime, but you are definitely overthinking this. I find it incredibly hard to believe that Gainax, a studio that thrives on such sexualization, would randomly decide that it's a problem; especially when the other option is 'Gainax made something extremely over the top just for the sake of it', which fits their usual M.O. Usually, I'm happy to overthink things until the cows come home, but with P&SwG, I'm pretty sure that it's just a case of 'what you see is what it is'. Gainax? Thrives on sexualization? I dunno, maybe I'm desensitized but they seem pretty tame compared to some of their contemporaries. If you want to really see how stupid sexualized anime is getting, go watch Queen's Blade or Highschool of the Dead. That shit is awful. They may be tame in comparison to shows that seem to exist simply for the sake of fanservice, but they still have plenty of their own. There's a reason that people refer to jiggling boobs as 'Gainaxing', after all. Besides that, there's also the fact that they, like most other studios, earn a good chunk of their profit from selling scantily clad figures, hug pillows, and other merchandise featuring their heroines almost nude. |
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Mortrialus said: sillyriri said: Mortrialus said: sillyriri said: I'm sorry, 0Megabyte, because I agree with a lot of what you're saying about the sexualization in anime, but you are definitely overthinking this. I find it incredibly hard to believe that Gainax, a studio that thrives on such sexualization, would randomly decide that it's a problem; especially when the other option is 'Gainax made something extremely over the top just for the sake of it', which fits their usual M.O. Usually, I'm happy to overthink things until the cows come home, but with P&SwG, I'm pretty sure that it's just a case of 'what you see is what it is'. Gainax? Thrives on sexualization? I dunno, maybe I'm desensitized but they seem pretty tame compared to some of their contemporaries. If you want to really see how stupid sexualized anime is getting, go watch Queen's Blade or Highschool of the Dead. That shit is awful. They may be tame in comparison to shows that seem to exist simply for the sake of fanservice, but they still have plenty of their own. There's a reason that people refer to jiggling boobs as 'Gainaxing', after all. Besides that, there's also the fact that they, like most other studios, earn a good chunk of their profit from selling scantily clad figures, hug pillows, and other merchandise featuring their heroines almost nude. Maybe I'm not very well versed in the Gainax library (I've only seen Eva, Nadia, FLCL, TTGL and now PSG) , but I'm not sure how or why gainaxing was coined because of them. The only character I've seen who is there for blatant fanservice was Yoko. With PSG, the art style is so... non-titillating that I don't know how you can really call this show hypersexualized. There is a lot of sexual humor, but its not there to titillate in a sexual way like in many contemporary shows and its not in the created innocence way like K-On is. Even the transformation scene is a joke. Besides, merchandising =/= the shows themselves. In fact, I'm pretty sure the writers and animators have no control over that stuff. Fanservice doesn't have to be blatant to exist though. For example, Eva had Misato, who, admittedly, was required to be sexy for her role in the plot, but it's still fanservice when viewers are given plenty of shots of her cleavage, or her in tight/ barely covering clothing. In the Rebuild movies, there's no real explanation for Asuka's test plugsuit being semi-transparent beyong 'fanservice' and 'selling figures'. If I'm remembering correctly, the term 'Gainaxing' was coined because of Otaku no Video and Gunbuster. I can't speak about the former, because I haven't seen it, but Gunbuster has an enjoyable plot, but it is noticeably... bouncy. A lot. I'm not going to argue about PSG's art style and how sexual it is, because that wasn't what I was trying to say in the first place. I will argue about the transformation scenes (and the few other random shots where P&S are in that style) though, since, if the comments I've seen in various places are anything to go on, that does it for some people. As for merchandising not equaling the shows themselves, you'd be surprised. The people that create these shows know they have to make a profit, and therefore, even if they aren't entirely happy with it, writers will be told to add in fanservice moments, and character designers will be told to make things sexier; all so they have something to base other merchandise around later, as well as increasing the sales of DVDs/BDs. That aside, please keep in mind that I was originally using 'thrives' in the monetary sense, so merchandising is a relevant point, even while making the assumption that it isn't closely linked to the shows themselves. Edit: Haha, dunno what's going on with how mangled this post managed to become when I hit send. |
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Mortrialus said: With PSG, the art style is so... non-titillating that I don't know how you can really call this show hypersexualized. There is a lot of sexual humor, but its not there to titillate in a sexual way like in many contemporary shows and its not in the created innocence way like K-On is. Having huge breasts that tend to bounce or making an immature joke or two or 10 is not "hypersexualised". Did you notice that many major plot-points inPSG are sexuall in nature? And I'm not talking about transformation-scenes, I'm talking about the fact that Panty lost her powers because her hymen grew together and having sex was the only way to get them back, Brief's penis is the key to unleash a phallus-shaped monster, in one episode Pantys gun reflects the size and shape of the underpants' owners penis and that bondage is Garterbelt's and Corset's.. something in the attacking department. Yeah, sex is funny and all, but this anime relies so much on this kind of humor that it would lose itself without it - and that's the point: Panty and Stocking is just a for-fun anime in form of a gigant sex-joke with no message and no meaning, like Oruchuban Ebichu, an anime I'm currently watching, also produced by Gainax. There is literally not a single joke made without the use of sex. I just finished posting a long series of thoughts on the show in another thread, so I won't go farther, but I will say this: The show may be reveling in its outrageousness, it may be having very obvious fun with what it's doing, but that doesn't take away from its goal, to lay bare the problems of anime and over-sexualization of female characters. By taking it to its logical conclusion. So, to stop over-sexualization of female characters we do exactly the thing we are fighting against? Like, trying to save the whales by killing them on a TV-show? (I just hope that nobody here sees Panty and Stocking as characters fighting for the rights of women..) |
Mortrialus said: Besides, PS&G does have meaning. The whole point is about being you, indulging yourself and doing what you want to do. Not the deepest show in the world, but there is a point, however relevant or irrelevant your might think it is. Wrong, again. Brief, the only character the viewer can relate to, has to change his appearance in order to be with Panty. When his hair falls back over his eyes, he's just geek-boy again. And why do you keep comparing shows that have nothing in common? Why don't you comapre PSG with Legend of the Galactic Heroes or Cowboy Bebop? Both have at least an implied luv-making scene in them. Sex is often an inescapable subject. What is My Little Sister about? I have no idea, maybe being yourself, but most likely just incest and hating yourself for watching anime and being an "otaku". What is PSG about? Also maybe being yourself, bust most likely just sex and experimental art. (Again, so is Oruchuban Ebichu: sex and unorthodox art) |
Mortrialus said: Goodness gracious! You should change your name to "Missesthepoint McBadgrammer." Ah I see you can't be bothered to make a competent counter argument so you try to pull the "Grammar" card. Good job, I think it's been thoroughly proven you're an idiot. Mortrialus said: Gainax? Thrives on sexualization? I dunno, maybe I'm desensitized but they seem pretty tame compared to some of their contemporaries. If you want to really see how stupid sexualized anime is getting, go watch Queen's Blade or Highschool of the Dead. That shit is awful. This term doesn't exist with out reason. http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Gainaxing Mortrialus said: Maybe I'm not very well versed in the Gainax library (I've only seen Eva, Nadia, FLCL, TTGL and now PSG) , but I'm not sure how or why gainaxing was coined because of them. You admit to not being versed in Gainax's library but continue to push your opinion that Gainax doesn't thrive on sexualization. It's almost like your trying to come off as retarded as possible. Have you forgotten every preview for the next episode of Evangelion ended with the promise of more fanservice? Even in TTGL Yoko existed solely as a vehicale for Fanservice. She added nothing to the plot. Other then to be some Succubus that killed every guy she kissed and show off her tits and ass at the drop of a hat. Nadia and the secret of blue water had very little fanservice because it was originally written by Hayao Miyazaki. But Mahoromatic, Otaku no Video, Re: Cutie Honey, Oruchuban Ebichu, and He is my Master are heavily sexualized. |
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| I suddenly get it now. With Chuck looking like GIR, this show has attracted all the horrible Invader Zim fanboys and girls who tote it as the best thing ever who need a new show to latch onto and way to vent. Gainax you clever girls. But seriously, FMA:B (even if it debuted last year), Durarara, and Oreimo blow this show out of the water. |
ios said: i was hoping this to be action packed like episode 1 and episode 6 but it did not became like that i think this is more of a experiment on Gainax side if second season will be made i hope they make it action packed this time and stop inserting real life footage on anime i hate that kind of concept that says real life existence is greater than 2D, ye its good concept but its bad looking to blend real life 3D with 2D seriously and as for the topic Anime of the year lol i dont think so because its too vulgar but im not gonna be surprised if this will be a top seller on the market as people like this kind of stuffs panty and stocking is like rap music they dont win awards like grammy or oscars because they talk shit or fack all the time but they sell well Rap wins Grammys all the time, actually Rap has dominated the Grammys for a number of years now., and they wouldn't win Oscars because those are for movies. and actually Panty and Stocking isn't selling well at all, it did terrible in pre orders and it's doing even worst in retail. I'm not even exactly sure what you said it's mostly incoherent rambling. |
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DoubleDango said: Oct 2, 2010 Nyron 464 of 703 people found this review helpful Other reviews by this user Add to favorites 13 of 13 episodes seen Overall Rating: 10 Dec 27, 2010 Detective 116 of 254 people found this review helpful Other reviews by this user Add to favorites 13 of 13 episodes seen Overall Rating: 3 ^ Let's get him. But his review is so true. This series is pure garbage. Not once could I laugh, they failed to bring up any humour whatsoever, Western or Eastern. This is even less funnier than a Carlos Mencia stand up. Really I wanted to like it, but there's nothing of value to come from this, it was actually painful to watch. It reminds me of pretty much every retarded flash cartoon that throws in a giant penis and goes "LOL PENIS LOLOLOLOLOL". Yes I do recognize the how retarded most of Gainax's stuff is quite random and sexual, but it wasnt continuously thrown in your face every damn second frame! This is 2010s worst anime, and there were a lot of terrible series that year. Sorry guys, but you may want to get your damn heads checked. |
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TheFinalPie said: DoubleDango said: Oct 2, 2010 Nyron 464 of 703 people found this review helpful Other reviews by this user Add to favorites 13 of 13 episodes seen Overall Rating: 10 Dec 27, 2010 Detective 116 of 254 people found this review helpful Other reviews by this user Add to favorites 13 of 13 episodes seen Overall Rating: 3 ^ Let's get him. But his review is so true. This series is pure garbage. Not once could I laugh, they failed to bring up any humour whatsoever, Western or Eastern. This is even less funnier than a Carlos Mencia stand up. Really I wanted to like it, but there's nothing of value to come from this, it was actually painful to watch. It reminds me of pretty much every retarded flash cartoon that throws in a giant penis and goes "LOL PENIS LOLOLOLOLOL". Yes I do recognize the how retarded most of Gainax's stuff is quite random and sexual, but it wasnt continuously thrown in your face every damn second frame! This is 2010s worst anime, and there were a lot of terrible series that year. Sorry guys, but you may want to get your damn heads checked. Facts aren't created by opinions. If you think they are there is only one person who needs to get their head checked. You throw some valid personal opinions of why you don't like it...and then you try and suggest that everyone in the world needs to follow your lead. Confusion. |
| PSG is one of those shows that quickly get stereotyped and stigmatized. Most of the negative reviews I see don't focus on poor execution or low production values, but on trying to make it across that some of PSG's assets are inherently bad. Sexual and toilet humor? Boatloads. Lack of a coherent plot? Correct. Power-Rangers style doll explosions? Every time. An overall stupid anime that allows you to watch it on brain-OFF mode? Indeed. But people need to get this on their heads, neither of those are inherently bad, nor inferior to more "classy" humor or intricated story. Sure, some people will stay away from production that make use of stuff they do not appreciate, but to call an anime the fail of the century simply because it does not suit your taste is plain ignorant. And about humor, this is a personal opinion unrelated to the rest of the post. There's regular humor, classy humor, black humor, toilet humor, blue (sexual) humor, etc. You know what they have in common? They're humorous. So shut up, stop getting offended, and past that, if the joke, free from those hurdles, is good, laugh. And if not, don't, but merit the joke for the joke's sake. And that it. TL;DR: Jokes about bitches and cum are not inferior to an epic drama, because genres can't be evaluated, only their execution can. |
BrickBreakJan 12, 2011 6:22 PM
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Iisan-kun said: I could say 'It was funny where P&SwG was not' and call it a day, but to elaborate on that. PSG was a one-note show; it made fun of Western animation and.. that's about it. First episode was no different than the las-, well maybe not the last given GAINAX ENDING but everything before the last, anyway. It was cute at first, but got old and I kind of dropped it after a few episodes when it was pretty much the same thing every episode. If I wanted an American cartoon, I'd watch an American cartoon (though I avoid the ones with tons of toilet and crude humor, which PSG borrowed from, which is unfortunately hard given American animation these day)Now I can see someone arguing about PSG not being the anime of the year, but what I can't see is someone using Ore no Imouto as an example for something better. About the only thing I liked from it was the music, and I suppose the Engrish is amusing, but that's not really enough to carry a show for me. I liked the otaku culture jokes in Oreimo more, along with the characters and story (as in it has one) in general |
TitanXL said: Iisan-kun said: I could say 'It was funny where P&SwG was not' and call it a day, but to elaborate on that. PSG was a one-note show; it made fun of Western animation and.. that's about it. First episode was no different than the las-, well maybe not the last given GAINAX ENDING but everything before the last, anyway. It was cute at first, but got old and I kind of dropped it after a few episodes when it was pretty much the same thing every episode. If I wanted an American cartoon, I'd watch an American cartoon (though I avoid the ones with tons of toilet and crude humor, which PSG borrowed from, which is unfortunately hard given American animation these day)Now I can see someone arguing about PSG not being the anime of the year, but what I can't see is someone using Ore no Imouto as an example for something better. About the only thing I liked from it was the music, and I suppose the Engrish is amusing, but that's not really enough to carry a show for me. I liked the otaku culture jokes in Oreimo more, along with the characters and story (as in it has one) in general Did you finish the show? Because I can't exactly see how you are judging something in it's entirety without actually...seeing it. If you did and I'm just misreading you I apologize. |
Sabinlerose said: Yes, I've seen it.Did you finish the show? Because I can't exactly see how you are judging something in it's entirety without actually...seeing it. If you did and I'm just misreading you I apologize. |
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TitanXL said: Sabinlerose said: Yes, I've seen it.Did you finish the show? Because I can't exactly see how you are judging something in it's entirety without actually...seeing it. If you did and I'm just misreading you I apologize. No no no. I'm not asking if you have seen it. I'm asking you if you have finished it. As in seen all 13 episodes? |
Sabinlerose said: Of course. Don't see how that changes anythingNo no no. I'm not asking if you have seen it. I'm asking you if you have finished it. As in seen all 13 episodes? |
TitanXL said: Sabinlerose said: Of course. Don't see how that changes anythingNo no no. I'm not asking if you have seen it. I'm asking you if you have finished it. As in seen all 13 episodes? Because some people think they can have an opinion on the entirety of the show without actually seeing and experiencing the entirety of the show. Same thing goes for written material and such. -laughs- |
Nyron said: Pot. Kettle. Black. etc.also also only otaku dweebs care about oreimo I will say Panty and Stocking has one of the worst, elitist, self-hating fanbases I've ever had the pleasure of encountering, though. (For the record, I saw FMA:B before the first series or the manga, so I'm not sure where 'fanwank' and 'doesn't stand on it's own merits' is coming from. Probably haters hating or something. |
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TitanXL said: Nyron said: Pot. Kettle. Black. etc.also also only otaku dweebs care about oreimo I will say Panty and Stocking has one of the worst, elitist, self-hating fanbases I've ever had the pleasure of encountering, though. (For the record, I saw FMA:B before the first series or the manga, so I'm not sure where 'fanwank' and 'doesn't stand on it's own merits' is coming from. Probably haters hating or something. You mean there isi a fanbase that isn't the worst, elitist group ever? |
TitanXL said: I will say Panty and Stocking has one of the worst, elitist, self-hating fanbases I've ever had the pleasure of encountering, though. I have to completely disagree with you on this one. For the sake of some self-imposed morality I fail to understand, P&G is a polarizing show, as most people who are offended by some of the jokes grow an instant hate for it. Thus, leaving people who are not easily offended. It might be just me, it probably is, but I find them to be happier people than the average on that account. But then again, it can hardly be said that I know everyone who watched it, lol. The same going for everyone else who makes any claim such as this, I guess. |
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Sabinlerose said: ... Touché.You mean there isi a fanbase that isn't the worst, elitist group ever? BrickBreak said: It's just I see the fanboys claim it's 'original, better than anything else out of Japan, revolutionary', 'whoever doesn't like this is some drooling otaku with low tastes', while the haters just go 'Meh, sucks' and move on.TitanXL said: I will say Panty and Stocking has one of the worst, elitist, self-hating fanbases I've ever had the pleasure of encountering, though. I have to completely disagree with you on this one. For the sake of some self-imposed morality I fail to understand, P&G is a polarizing show, as most people who are offended by some of the jokes grow an instant hate for it. Thus, leaving people who are not easily offended. It might be just me, it probably is, but I find them to be happier people than the average on that account. But then again, it can hardly be said that I know everyone who watched it, lol. The same going for everyone else who makes any claim such as this, I guess. |
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Mortrialus said: FMA;B's pacing is completely fucked and reliant on you being a fan of the original series or the manga. Rather than retelling the beginning of the manga in a new or original way it simply blazes through it at breakneck speeds to the point of being unenjoyable and unable to stand up on its own without being a fan. The first episode is really indicative of the entire mindset: "Oh look its Edward and Al! Oh look its mustang! Haha short jokes." No on is given a chance to actually breath and fill into their roles as a character. Its just "Hey we got to get through this old stuff" and while they do finally slow down at episode 15, the plot and story still move stupidly fast. It falls apart at the screenplay level and needed to be completely rewritten from the ground up. I have a feeling history will look less favorable on it compared to the original series and manga once the fanboy flames die down. As stated above, the pacing is not too fast. Someone who hasn't watched the first series or red the manga can follow. On the other hand, it's not possible to "redo the first episodes in an original way" beacuse that would contradict the whole purpose of FMA:B - being a complete adaptation of the manga. This also has nothing to do with being fanboy or not. It seems that you simply can't judge this. I bet a whole team of people, who weren't making an anime-adaptation of a manga for the first time, know better than you how to make the end result function. And it functions. The first 15 episodes were made just as good as the rest considering visuals and sound. Sure, they move a bit faster than FMA1 in order to not bore the people who watched the first anime to death BUT slow enough for everybody to catch up and get familiar with the characters and their motifs (AS STATED ABOVE!!). The big FMA-hype is long since dead, it stopped being something the fandom worshippes a long time ago and is now reduced to being "just" a great anime. Nearly 80.000 people rated this anime to the top of the list on this page. Outside-the-box thinking is great and appreciated, but you're forcing it. And the whole "haha, short jokes" thing? Have you seen the first anime? Remember the episode where the newspapers read that Psyren has stolen a golden TOILET? Or the one where Mustang blows up a whole bunch of soldiers while fighting Ed FOR FUN? tl;dr, it's just a cartoon and everybody loves it, so get over it. |
Mortrialus said: As stated above? I gave my opinion. Someone disagrees. Does that make my opinion invalid? Does that make my opinion completely invalid? No. I guess I should clarify on what I mean when I referred to the short jokes. I was referring to the horribly inappropriate and out of place comic release that was peppered into Ever.Single.Dramatic.Scene. That bothers me about the original manga as well. And the idea of this "perfect adaption" is another issue. It is almost a frame by frame remake of the original manga. The original deviated from the manga, but it was able to add to it and make its own points. FMA:B adds absolutely nothing. No one is given a chance to breath as characters. Edward was developed into a deeper character in the original series, his motivations, adds to the aspect of him wanting to put right what he did wrong and several other aspects. There are exactly four personality traits in Ed in Brotherhood: Headstrong, short temper, wants to heal Al, crush on Winry. Yes those aspects of were there in the original series but because of its much better pace it can actually flesh out and go into why he feels the way he feels and add to his character. FMA:B isn't an adaption of the manga. It IS the manga, only it replaces reading with listening. Why does it exist aside from fan wank? Its the same problem as the Watchmen movie. Any intelligence or insight came directly from the book itself, not the adaption of it. And it's popular. So what? If God of War, Tranformers: Revenge of the Fallen and K-ON! have taught me anything it's that the majority can be and often is wrong. I'm going to admit I read none of that post or the other peoples posts. I'm just confused how you are comparing an adaption of something that removed the key elements of the story and essentially removed everything that made Watchmenn...Watchmen, to something that is as per your own words is the manga animated. |
desolatoJan 26, 2011 3:22 AM
Mortrialus said: So your whole problem is that it's a faithful adaption.FMA:B isn't an adaption of the manga. It IS the manga, only it replaces reading with listening. Why does it exist aside from fan wank? Got to say, that's the first time I've heard someone complain about that. Usually it's when the anime branches away that people complain. 'Fankwank' is a humorous way to call being faithful, though. |
Mortrialus said: As stated above? I gave my opinion. Someone disagrees. Does that make my opinion invalid? Does that make my opinion completely invalid? No. Kind of wrong. We're not talking about taste here, like, you don't like FMA:B because you don't like shonen, but about it's practical facts. FMA:B works, full stop. If I would say the sky is green and insist on that oppinion it doesn't make me right. I guess I should clarify on what I mean when I referred to the short jokes. I was referring to the horribly inappropriate and out of place comic release that was peppered into Ever.Single.Dramatic.Scene. That bothers me about the original manga as well. Then the problem is not in the anime, but in the manga, since: FMA:B isn't an adaption of the manga. It IS the manga, only it replaces reading with listening. Thats actually the definition of an adaptation. People don't want to read a book, so they watch the movies. My father watched all of the Lord of the Rings movies, but he had no time to read the books, like I did. The books are better, but it's extremy hard to damn impossible to 100% convert a movie into a book, while comic to cartoon has it a lot easier (just look at how much stuff was cut out from the already 10-hour long trilogy). An anime can be so close to it's orginal work to be almost a 1:1 translation. And the idea of this "perfect adaption" is another issue. It is almost a frame by frame remake of the original manga. The original deviated from the manga, but it was able to add to it and make its own points. FMA:B adds absolutely nothing. No one is given a chance to breath as characters. Edward was developed into a deeper character in the original series, his motivations, adds to the aspect of him wanting to put right what he did wrong and several other aspects. There are exactly four personality traits in Ed in Brotherhood: Headstrong, short temper, wants to heal Al, crush on Winry. Yes those aspects of were there in the original series but because of its much better pace it can actually flesh out and go into why he feels the way he feels and add to his character. FMA:B is not able and not allowed to "change things". The very reason FMA:B is made is because to make an anime that does not change things. The staff was told to take the manga and put them on TV as they are, not to make a thrid Edward and Alphonse. You can't compare those two Ed's and Al's because it's a different story. The FMA:B Ed never went trough the traumatising experience of killing his own mother when she ressurected as a homunculus, while FMA1 Ed was never seen womiting while digging out the corpse of Trisha. The relationship between Ed and Envy was a totaly different one becuase Envy knew he and Ed are half-brothers. Comparing FMA1 Ed to FMA:B Ed is like comparing the two Lust characters. Sure, I liked the first one a lot better, but the point is that those two women are two completly different characters with completly different lifes, hence experiences, hence personalities. I somhow get the feeling that you are either aginst the manga because you like the first FMA anime more, or against FMA:B because there already is a Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood (in comicbook-form) and you don't see the need for another one on another medium (like, games made for the Playstation and the Xbox - there's no need for both of them, if want that particular game buy yourself another console). And it's popular. So what? If God of War, Tranformers: Revenge of the Fallen and K-ON! have taught me anything it's that the majority can be and often is wrong. Duh, it's popular and that's the proof that it's good. If it was horrible, unwatchable and a giant ball of fail it wouldn't have gotten it's popularity in the first place. (And as I said, just because someone thinks it's a giant ball of fail doesn't make them right and the fans wrong). THIS time it's about taste. You didn't like K-ON!?. Ok. I gave Digimon a 9 just beacuse I enjoyed it, even though it's almost out of the top 1000 on MAL (thus giving it a +2 score then I gave Darker than Black, which is ranked 115), but that's just my taste. It does not change the fact that it's cheesy and pretty generic, mady by people who ocasionaly mess up the digimon's names and attacks, composed only of one-dimensional characters and dull monsters who save the world with the power of friednship. But that is just the oppionion of one out of thousands of people who watched it, in the big pictures it does not matter. Darker than Black is de facto better than Digimon (in terms of everything: story, characters, visuals), but I like the latter more. |
CrochaxJan 26, 2011 7:25 PM
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