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Dec 13, 9:03 PM
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Yes. You are an anime fan. Also supporting anime industry monetarily doesn't necessarily means that you are an anime fan. Some people will pay for a subscription and watch anime at 2x speed while skipping random scenes they don't like. Some people watch anime just so they can say that they watch anime. It will be better if they don't watch at all cause they usually don't even know what the anime is about.
Dec 13, 9:08 PM
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Supporting fansubbers and generating interest in a series by talking about it online does more for anime and for the community than buying any Western release of a series or picking up merchandise in Japan. You don't need to spend money on something to be a fan.
I think spending money on anime is something every hobbyist would do though. Reading OP's post I think he's confused being a fan and having a hobby.
Dec 13, 11:37 PM

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Why couldn't you? How does spending money make yourself a "real" fan?

If someone exclusively reads books by checking them out for free from the library, does that mean they're not a real bookworm?

Do you not really like YouTube if you don't pay for the premium version of it?

Are you really into cars if you never actually build your own car?

Silly questions...
Kiyomice said:
If someone exclusively reads books by checking them out for free from the library, does that mean they're not a real bookworm?
Libraries still have to pay for books, therefore they still somewhat contribute to the economic well being of the author. Plus they usually only have a few copies, therefore there is still reason for you to pay, if it's a popular book. That isn't a 1 to 1 comparison. You can pirate actual books you know, and yeah most authors hate those people. Though I did have a prof encourage me to use Libgen, though that was largely due to the cost of acquiring a ton of expensive academic books.

Kiyomice said:
Do you not really like YouTube if you don't pay for the premium version of it?
Monetization is not the same. They make money, from ads so your free viewership is not hindering said creator.

Kiyomice said:
Are you really into cars if you never actually build your own car?

Kiyomice said:
Silly questions...
More like bad comparisons.

If you want to get into "realness" I know if I was a creator I would value the people who actually spend money on my work, whereas those that don't mean nothing to me. I don't know why pirates get so sensitive on this issue. When I pirated (and I still do occasionally, granted largely for older media) I never gave into an illusion that I wasn't anymore than a leech on the industry, rather than a contributing fan. I am not going to judge people for pirating itself. I am going to judge the self righteous ones, present in this community, and in others. That said the self righteous mentality of some anime fans, who are proud they don't contribute anything is almost embarrassing lol. I kinda get people like Takashi Hashimoto even if he is deflecting.
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Dec 14, 6:29 AM

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Are you a football fan if never actually scored a Touchdown?^^

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Dec 14, 1:51 PM

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"The industry" doesn't care about you if you aren't from the GRORIOUS land of Nippon. Your shekels are seen as a pleasant surprise and nothing more. They divvy out their IPs to shit factories like Crunchyroll, Viz, and Funimation, and whatever floats, floats. They couldn't care less either way.

How else are you going to show your support financially? By paying for streaming services? LOL

If you wanna throw your money away so badly, find a way to give it to those who actively help you experience these works. Give it to the fansubbers and fanTLers (granted they don't use MTL or anything equally low-effort and lazy.) Give it to the guys uploading high-quality torrents of forgotten series. Give it to Bob, the 40-year-old giving away his figgy collection because he's going through a midlife crisis and can't stand looking at them now.

I don't like half measures. Am I expected to buy "official" Blu-rays and burn the series they can't bother to give a modern release for? Is that even possible for manga without some absurdly expensive printer? When I was a teenager, I used to buy box sets of shows like SEL and FMA on DVD. Sometimes you'd have to spend hundreds of dollars just to get an entire series.

Do I miss those days? FUCK no. Well, a little bit, but if you care about anything other than the surface-level stuff coming out now, then pirate.
Dec 14, 2:18 PM

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Money doesn't define your feelings for something so it's not necessary don't you think?
Dec 14, 2:40 PM

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"The industry" doesn't care about you if you aren't from the GRORIOUS land of Nippon. Your shekels are seen as a pleasant surprise and nothing more. They divvy out their IPs to shit factories like Crunchyroll, Viz, and Funimation, and whatever floats, floats. They couldn't care less either way.

How else are you going to show your support financially? By paying for streaming services? LOL

If you wanna throw your money away so badly, find a way to give it to those who actively help you experience these works. Give it to the fansubbers and fanTLers (granted they don't use MTL or anything equally low-effort and lazy.) Give it to the guys uploading high-quality torrents of forgotten series. Give it to Bob, the 40-year-old giving away his figgy collection because he's going through a midlife crisis and can't stand looking at them now.

I don't like half measures. Am I expected to buy "official" Blu-rays and burn the series they can't bother to give a modern release for? Is that even possible for manga without some absurdly expensive printer? When I was a teenager, I used to buy box sets of shows like SEL and FMA on DVD. Sometimes you'd have to spend hundreds of dollars just to get an entire series.

Do I miss those days? FUCK no. Well, a little bit, but if you care about anything other than the surface-level stuff coming out now, then pirate.
@Gentropy Yeah, some anime blu-ray are hard to get all of the series. Especially for older shows, most of the ones I got though are relatively unpopular anime or got big discounts. My cheapest blu-ray was recently actually, with Sora no Method at about $12, so you can still find some decent prices, but then there's shows that get their blu-ray in 2-4 episode volumes which sometimes are priced high since then have often have extra stuff included. I know Sentai often has big sales though which is nice.
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Dec 14, 3:12 PM

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Most light novel translations into english are thoroughly wrong. Any time you purchase them you support the practice of besmirching the content. The more success these translations see the more influence accumulates over the original product. And because everything is light novel adaptations these days that would effect anime negatively.
Applying that relationship to the many anime-related services overseas yes you can call yourself an anime fan without forking over money. The medium benefits by staying insular; having as little to do with you as possible.
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