Why do people hate Rudeus but like Paul?

Oct 29, 2022 2:45 AM

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LostSpectre said:

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He didn't. He basically got seduced by Lilia and got her pregnant who was kinda jealous of hearing Paul have seggs with Zenith everyday (it's his fault as well for going along). So there was no rape, only cheating on his wife.

The rape in question is when they were younger, not when she was living in their house as a maid.

So was it stated in the anime? I'm an anime-only and I don't remember it being mentioned or am I being dumb right now?

Oct 29, 2022 3:36 AM

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TapouTCoby2469 said:

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Do they? I’m pretty sure people hate Paul too.

Also you’re completely wrong. Paul isn’t a rapist, just a cheater.

And Rudeus HAS done something. Maybe you haven’t gotten to this part yet… but… he definitely does something with a certain 15 year old.

True. I do think people give Paul a little too much credit, but Paul wasn’t THAT much of a scumbag.

no theres a point later in the story where someone states that paul raped them during the sword school they attended i do believe that it is the red head maid though or its ghislaine

Oct 29, 2022 3:58 AM

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It's true, he is even worse. But if I remember correctly, this was only mentioned in passing and the anime made sure to not focus on it that much coz it serves no point in the story ahead, at least as of Vol. 15.

Oct 29, 2022 4:00 AM

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I can understand why most people wouldn't like Rudeus. But he's no longer an adult for him to be considered a pedophile. Of course, he has the mind of one. But outwardly, he just comes off as a horny kid. But as far as Paul, the relationship he had with Lillia can't really be considered forced since she had feelings towards him as well. I don't know anything about the "child beater" part.

Uhh are you talking about when Paul raped Lillia back in the academy?

It doesn't matter whether she had feelings or not if she didn't give her consent brother, this is called rape.

Oct 29, 2022 4:05 AM

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People like paul? I would be really surprised if that happened. I hate most of the greyrats and other characters equally so at least I am not one of them.

If you enjoyed the time you wasted, then its not a waste of time.

Oct 29, 2022 5:04 AM

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RagingFlames said:
I can understand why most people wouldn't like Rudeus. But he's no longer an adult for him to be considered a pedophile. Of course, he has the mind of one. But outwardly, he just comes off as a horny kid. But as far as Paul, the relationship he had with Lillia can't really be considered forced since she had feelings towards him as well. I don't know anything about the "child beater" part.

Uhh are you talking about when Paul raped Lillia back in the academy?

It doesn't matter whether she had feelings or not if she didn't give her consent brother, this is called rape.

I'm honestly assuming OP is talking about when Paul cheated on his wife with Lillia. I have no recall of him raping her at some academy. Maybe it's a detail I missed. I don't really know.

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Oct 29, 2022 6:37 AM

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GTRaijin said:

LostSpectre said:

The rape in question is when they were younger, not when she was living in their house as a maid.

So was it stated in the anime? I'm an anime-only and I don't remember it being mentioned or am I being dumb right now?

It was mentioned in the same episode they find out Lilia is pregnant.

If you reply back to me and I never respond, I lost interest and don't care. Sorry about that.

Oct 29, 2022 6:37 AM

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Saimatsu_Fan said:

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ReyielGun said:
yall so sensative, he's like 12 doing it with a 15 year old

Bro what kinda copium are you snortin 💀

Dude’s 40. Idc if he got reincarnated as a little kid. Dude was having complex inner monologues as a newborn, learned complex magic using scientific knowledge as a toddler, and the entire time had full memory of his previous life and still viewed himself as being that same, 40 yr old pedo NEET.

The story actually puts heavy emphasis on that last part, to make you fully grasp that he does not see himself as a child, but is still having sex with children.

Personally, I still love the show despite that. The character is well-written, so even though I hate him, it’s enjoyable to watch his journey and growth. But I don’t think someone is “so sensitive” if they can’t handle watching that scumbag.

He's 34, not sure why everyone is always saying that he's 40. lol

You're not supposed to take him being a pedo seriously, it's not logical, but just how it is.

He’s a pedo and a scumbag. I’m always going to dislike him as a character no matter how much he grows, as he is irredeemable in my eyes. But like I said, he’s still a well-written character, and I enjoy watching his journey because it’s so well-written.

That’s just me though. I know plenty of people who wouldn’t be able to like a show when they don’t like the main character.

So I get that you shouldn’t be so serious to the point that you treat fiction as reality, but it’s not like anyone’s being unreasonable for disliking the show because of a dislikable character.

Oh shit, you're the guy who can't understand when something in a show shouldn't be taken literally. My bad. Please don't reply.

Bruh what? I literally just said that fiction shouldn’t be treated as reality.

AND IM A MUSHOKU TENSEI FAN AS WELL. I’m not bashing this show at all, and I don’t see Rudeus’ scumbag-ery as being a flaw in regards to the story. I’m just sympathizing with the people who dislike it for very logical and justifiable reasons.

Holy crap, y’all are on edge.

Nope! If I had recognized who you were I wouldn't have touched your comment with a 10 foot pole, now leave me alone!

Talk about being a snowflake

Who fucking asked? Piss off.

If you reply back to me and I never respond, I lost interest and don't care. Sorry about that.

Oct 29, 2022 6:56 AM

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LostSpectre said:

GTRaijin said:

So was it stated in the anime? I'm an anime-only and I don't remember it being mentioned or am I being dumb right now?

It was mentioned in the same episode they find out Lilia is pregnant.

Guess I don't remember that part it seems.

Oct 29, 2022 8:35 AM

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SawsyMikey said:
Did I miss something when did Paul do rape?

he at the very least used his position of power of Lilia to have sex with her. which is generally considered to be less than the enthusiastic consent you want to be looking for. just morally it's wrong to proposition someone for sex when they can't really say no. Paul did that.

Oct 29, 2022 8:43 AM

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AriBWeeb said:

SawsyMikey said:
Did I miss something when did Paul do rape?

he at the very least used his position of power of Lilia to have sex with her. which is generally considered to be less than the enthusiastic consent you want to be looking for. just morally it's wrong to proposition someone for sex when they can't really say no. Paul did that.

He did rape her, Only to shit on his senior in the Dojo , He's a victim of bullying and his act of revenge is destroying their precious flower(Lilia) and then fuck off and left her with severe trauma because of the experience.

Paul is shitty person but very well written character with great development and depth.

I think there's no reason to defend him as a person because he really is a scum.

Oct 29, 2022 8:45 AM

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RabbitBeardy said:

AriBWeeb said:

he at the very least used his position of power of Lilia to have sex with her. which is generally considered to be less than the enthusiastic consent you want to be looking for. just morally it's wrong to proposition someone for sex when they can't really say no. Paul did that.

He did rape her, Only to shit on his senior in the Dojo , He's a victim of bullying and his act of revenge is destroying their precious flower(Lilia) and then fuck off and left her with severe trauma because of the experience.

Paul is shitty person but very well written character with great development and depth.

I think there's no reason to defend him as a person because he really is a scum.

ah I see. Paul must be even worse in the LN. I've only seen the anime.

Oct 29, 2022 8:49 AM

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AriBWeeb said:

RabbitBeardy said:

He did rape her, Only to shit on his senior in the Dojo , He's a victim of bullying and his act of revenge is destroying their precious flower(Lilia) and then fuck off and left her with severe trauma because of the experience.

Paul is shitty person but very well written character with great development and depth.

I think there's no reason to defend him as a person because he really is a scum.

ah I see. Paul must be even worse in the LN. I've only seen the anime.

In LN they got an entire chapter focus around lilia, and why she work for Paul even after what he did to her in the Past. It's on Volume 1 i think 🤔 Bonus chapter (?), i don't quite remember.

Oct 29, 2022 10:53 AM

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Nyamaste said:

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Rudy jacked off to pictures he took of of his niece, who's a literal kid, while she was bathing. Paul cheated on his wife, then took responsibility for it and felt horrible. Paul is a scumbag but he know what he did and he righted what he did. I hate this series honestly just because it pretends it redeems Rudy, when he never was redeemed.

Did Rudy jerk off to pics of his niece in the anime? If so, I missed it. I haven't read the LN, so I'm sure I'm missing some details.

Not the anime the web novel. The anime hid a lot of trash things he did in the LN and the web novel isn't technically canon

Oct 29, 2022 11:34 AM

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BloodBorneLust said:

TapouTCoby2469 said:

True. I do think people give Paul a little too much credit, but Paul wasn’t THAT much of a scumbag.

no theres a point later in the story where someone states that paul raped them during the sword school they attended i do believe that it is the red head maid though or its ghislaine

Give me a time stamp and I’ll acknowledge that I’m wrong. Until then, I’m sticking with my guns here.

Oct 29, 2022 11:39 AM

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fruity_pebbles said:

Nyamaste said:

Did Rudy jerk off to pics of his niece in the anime? If so, I missed it. I haven't read the LN, so I'm sure I'm missing some details.

Not the anime the web novel. The anime hid a lot of trash things he did in the LN and the web novel isn't technically canon

The web novel doesn’t stray that far off from the LN, so, if you ask me, I don’t think it matters too much if the web novel isn’t canon.

Oct 29, 2022 12:35 PM

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because Paul's voice actors voice is so good.

Oct 29, 2022 1:23 PM

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TapouTCoby2469 said:

fruity_pebbles said:

Not the anime the web novel. The anime hid a lot of trash things he did in the LN and the web novel isn't technically canon

The web novel doesn’t stray that far off from the LN, so, if you ask me, I don’t think it matters too much if the web novel isn’t canon.

Why wouldn't it matter? That aspect of the story has been retconned, it no longer applies to the LN or the anime. @fruity_pebbles

If you reply back to me and I never respond, I lost interest and don't care. Sorry about that.

Oct 29, 2022 1:40 PM

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LostSpectre said:

TapouTCoby2469 said:

The web novel doesn’t stray that far off from the LN, so, if you ask me, I don’t think it matters too much if the web novel isn’t canon.

Why wouldn't it matter? That aspect of the story has been retconned, it no longer applies to the LN or the anime. @fruity_pebbles

All I’m saying is that most things you draw from the web novel are going to be in the LN, so if I say “[insert spoiler here] is going to happen in the LN because it happened in the web novel” 9/10 times it’s going to be true. I’m not saying that it’s going to be right every time, but it’s a good source of decent predictions on what will happen next in the LN.

Oct 29, 2022 1:42 PM

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TapouTCoby2469 said:

LostSpectre said:

Why wouldn't it matter? That aspect of the story has been retconned, it no longer applies to the LN or the anime. @fruity_pebbles

All I’m saying is that most things you draw from the web novel are going to be in the LN, so if I say “[insert spoiler here] is going to happen in the LN because it happened in the web novel” 9/10 times it’s going to be true. I’m not saying that it’s going to be right every time, but it’s a good source of decent predictions on what will happen next in the LN.

As long as it's still canon in the LN it's fine, but it shouldn't be referenced in specific regards that have been changed in the LN IMO.

If you reply back to me and I never respond, I lost interest and don't care. Sorry about that.

Oct 29, 2022 3:03 PM

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LostSpectre said:

TapouTCoby2469 said:

All I’m saying is that most things you draw from the web novel are going to be in the LN, so if I say “[insert spoiler here] is going to happen in the LN because it happened in the web novel” 9/10 times it’s going to be true. I’m not saying that it’s going to be right every time, but it’s a good source of decent predictions on what will happen next in the LN.

As long as it's still canon in the LN it's fine, but it shouldn't be referenced in specific regards that have been changed in the LN IMO.

Yeah, I know, I’m just saying that most key parts of the web novel are still in the LN, so it’s easy to see it’s importance when the LN isn’t caught up to the web novel just yet.

Oct 29, 2022 4:43 PM

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Mando727 said:

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pretty sure that's what the word sensative means, "not being able to handle something" aka you're sensative, did you know that relationships between people as young as 13 was basically normal just 600 years ago? it's only been deemed evil by modern society.

For starters, the literal textbook definition of feeling sensitive is being easily hurt or damaged, especially emotionally.

So it’s very possible to not be able to handle something without being sensitive. It’s just called being normal. (And you were also quite obviously trying to use the term as though it were a bad thing)

Personally, I don’t see how disliking a character because they’re canonically a pedophile scumbag is being sensitive, but you do you I guess.

Also… wtf argument are you trying to make my guy. “Well it was acceptable 600 years ago”… and? There was a lot of bs that used to be the norm. There’s a lot of bs that still is the norm, in certain parts of the world at least. It’s still bs though.

homie gonna try to defend slavery next

Oct 29, 2022 9:43 PM

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LostSpectre said:

Saimatsu_Fan said:

LostSpectre said:

Mando727 said:

LostSpectre said:

Mando727 said:

LostSpectre said:

Mando727 said:

ReyielGun said:
yall so sensative, he's like 12 doing it with a 15 year old

Bro what kinda copium are you snortin 💀

Dude’s 40. Idc if he got reincarnated as a little kid. Dude was having complex inner monologues as a newborn, learned complex magic using scientific knowledge as a toddler, and the entire time had full memory of his previous life and still viewed himself as being that same, 40 yr old pedo NEET.

The story actually puts heavy emphasis on that last part, to make you fully grasp that he does not see himself as a child, but is still having sex with children.

Personally, I still love the show despite that. The character is well-written, so even though I hate him, it’s enjoyable to watch his journey and growth. But I don’t think someone is “so sensitive” if they can’t handle watching that scumbag.

He's 34, not sure why everyone is always saying that he's 40. lol

You're not supposed to take him being a pedo seriously, it's not logical, but just how it is.

He’s a pedo and a scumbag. I’m always going to dislike him as a character no matter how much he grows, as he is irredeemable in my eyes. But like I said, he’s still a well-written character, and I enjoy watching his journey because it’s so well-written.

That’s just me though. I know plenty of people who wouldn’t be able to like a show when they don’t like the main character.

So I get that you shouldn’t be so serious to the point that you treat fiction as reality, but it’s not like anyone’s being unreasonable for disliking the show because of a dislikable character.

Oh shit, you're the guy who can't understand when something in a show shouldn't be taken literally. My bad. Please don't reply.

Bruh what? I literally just said that fiction shouldn’t be treated as reality.

AND IM A MUSHOKU TENSEI FAN AS WELL. I’m not bashing this show at all, and I don’t see Rudeus’ scumbag-ery as being a flaw in regards to the story. I’m just sympathizing with the people who dislike it for very logical and justifiable reasons.

Holy crap, y’all are on edge.

Nope! If I had recognized who you were I wouldn't have touched your comment with a 10 foot pole, now leave me alone!

Talk about being a snowflake

Who fucking asked? Piss off.

Ooooooh... the snowflake is mad

Oct 30, 2022 8:44 AM

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Rudy is NOT a pedo (anymore lol).
He just thinks like one. Lol
He CAN'T be a pedo. He's not even 18 yet LOL

AND the 1st chick he fucked is 2 years older TROLLOLOLOLOL

Oct 30, 2022 9:36 AM

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LostSpectre said:

TapouTCoby2469 said:

The web novel doesn’t stray that far off from the LN, so, if you ask me, I don’t think it matters too much if the web novel isn’t canon.

Why wouldn't it matter? That aspect of the story has been retconned, it no longer applies to the LN or the anime. @fruity_pebbles

That's right it doesn't, but it's still something his character did in a canon wether it's been retconned or not. It's also implied he was jacking off to something weird on his computer when he was dragged out of his apartment

Oct 30, 2022 10:45 AM

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Paul is even worse than Rudeus. He cheated on his wife Zenith and got Lilia pregnant cuz he was "seduced" by her shown body.
He also punched Rudeus

Rudeus on the other hand, is trying his best. He wanted to become a much better person than his past life. Who was a complete bum and shut in.
Rudeus is not a pedo because he is a child physically but mentally is an adult. Also Eris stopped him from going further on his 10th birthday.

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Oct 30, 2022 10:49 AM

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Oct 30, 2022 12:45 PM

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Mando727 said:
Do they? I’m pretty sure people hate Paul too.

Also you’re completely wrong. Paul isn’t a rapist, just a cheater.

And Rudeus HAS done something. Maybe you haven’t gotten to this part yet… but… he definitely does something with a certain 15 year old.

o_O (character limit)

Oct 30, 2022 7:00 PM

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Because people are hypocritical. People don’t like Rudeus, but they don’t have a problem with a character like Hisoka from Hunter x Hunter. Double standards

Oct 30, 2022 11:35 PM

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Mando727 said:
Do they? I’m pretty sure people hate Paul too.

Also you’re completely wrong. Paul isn’t a rapist, just a cheater.

And Rudeus HAS done something. Maybe you haven’t gotten to this part yet… but… he definitely does something with a certain 15 year old.

They actually mention in the show that Paul raped the maid in their school. He also is a cheater yes.

Oct 31, 2022 6:56 AM

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can't say i like rudeus either, i mean he's kind of a prick at the end of the day even if you minus the horny factor.
but Paul is a wife cheater and a child beater, a double whammy of bad father behaviour. not to mention he also has dick for brains. sure he gets redemption but he literally had to get schooled by the child that he just punched the shit out of. It will take a VERY long time before he deserves any respect from me.

Oct 31, 2022 11:26 AM

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Nobody likes paul

Nov 1, 2022 3:10 AM

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Makall said:
People call Rudeus a pedophile (even though he hasn't done anything) but Paul was a literal rapist (Lillia and then ran away to escape his crime) and child beater (punches 11 year olds).

first, rudeus isnt a pedophile (pedophile feels atracted mostly for kids, and rudeus really like adult women) and about paul, he didnt rapist Lillia (as far as i know it was consensual). Again, both did some mistakes, and that makes them more human than most of the anime characters

Nov 1, 2022 3:21 AM

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JGBPL said:

Makall said:
People call Rudeus a pedophile (even though he hasn't done anything) but Paul was a literal rapist (Lillia and then ran away to escape his crime) and child beater (punches 11 year olds).

first, rudeus isnt a pedophile (pedophile feels atracted mostly for kids, and rudeus really like adult women) and about paul, he didnt rapist Lillia (as far as i know it was consensual). Again, both did some mistakes, and that makes them more human than most of the anime characters

What part of

"stole her innocence"
"tried to struggle of course, but here was nothing she could do"
"Lilia developed a distrust for men after that. She felt fear at the gazes of the other students and blatantly avoided bodily contact. That didn't change after she turned fifteen and became an adult"
"As a parent, he couldn't force his daughter to be with a man after the deep mental scars she'd sustained"

was consensual?

Nov 2, 2022 11:38 PM

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Rudeus is definitely painted in a creepier light, when watching the anime I was fully expecting him to develop as a person and stray away from the pedo shit but he doesn’t change and it feels wrong

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