| the main issue with hxh 2011 is how much it goes downhill from the halfway point of theshow |
CickNipolla said: Emerardo said: "elevate the source material"? it was unnecessary and anime-original content only serves to drag the pace of the show and stretch it to keep the show on air for as long as possible. overstretched and badly paced, manga best it really is funny seeing a 17 year old child trying to explain anime to people who have been watching longer than they have been alive lol Not relevant + no good points + strawman + skill issue + loser + virgin + read the manga |
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CickNipolla said: Emerardo said: Not relevant + no good points + strawman + skill issue + loser + virgin + read the manga lil bro hasnt even finished high school rofl Incorrect + 2nd strawman + ad hominem + naruto fan (cringe) |
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Lies + slander + falsehood + deflecting + ad hominem + 3rd strawman + illiterate + anime only (cringe) |
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CickNipolla said: Emerardo said: Lies + slander + falsehood + deflecting + ad hominem + 3rd strawman + illiterate + anime only (cringe) vtubers arent real people lil bro Correct + truthful statement + common agreement + join discord.gg/CVGRqTUS |
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ill pass, go back to watching ur vtubers and thinking yakuza aint trash |
| I think overall, 2011 was brilliant, but... In 1999, the Hunter Exam was one of the best arcs in all of anime. It was held in the same regard as the Chimera Ant arc, due to how it subverted tropes, brilliantly built a world, and created a unique atmosphere. Same goes for the Heaven's Arena arc, a magic system so profoundly deep it is a better world-building element than all shonen put together. In 2011, hunter x hunter was the show where you had to wait to episodes x, y and z to get to 'where it gets good'. Plus, the animation was so much better thanks to the hand-drawn art (which had way more detail than the cardboard 2d cutouts of the remake) and thanks to the larger budgets older long-running animes used to have. elderonn said: Didn’t watch it but I doubt it can ever match the 2011 version. Not without the chimera ant arc at least. This is the only arc the 2011 does better, and the reason is in itself the proof. |
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Mikasa said: Really? I've introduced plenty of people to 2011 and none have found it to have a slow start. I'd arguably say that they would've been thrown off by the tone if 1999 was their first exposure to the franchise. Granted, they're mostly normies, but aren't they the kind of people that would be the most impatient with this kind of thing?I think overall, 2011 was brilliant, but... In 1999, the Hunter Exam was one of the best arcs in all of anime. It was held in the same regard as the Chimera Ant arc, due to how it subverted tropes, brilliantly built a world, and created a unique atmosphere. Same goes for the Heaven's Arena arc, a magic system so profoundly deep it is a better world-building element than all shonen put together. In 2011, hunter x hunter was the show where you had to wait to episodes x, y and z to get to 'where it gets good'. Plus, the animation was so much better thanks to the hand-drawn art (which had way more detail than the cardboard 2d cutouts of the remake) and thanks to the larger budgets older long-running animes used to have. elderonn said: Didn’t watch it but I doubt it can ever match the 2011 version. Not without the chimera ant arc at least. This is the only arc the 2011 does better, and the reason is in itself the proof. Again, I don't really get where these claims about the other arcs are coming from. I know people speak highly of Yorknew City in this adaptation, but I haven't see much from, say, Greed Island that would really convince me it's worth checking out over 2011. |
ErsbonAug 27, 2022 7:32 PM
| Damn bro you couldn't be more wrong. But I will respect your opinion because you are entitled to one haha |
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| I'd been revisiting the 1999 anime recently on a whim, having been many, many years since I'd last seen it, and I feel I may be a bit defensive over some of the more contentious liberties and changes with the 1999's additions over the "purity" of the 2011 adaptation, or rather, that they may have become (more) contentious with a more faithful alternative available now, so it can be tricky to argue about the value of certain changes of an incomplete adaptation in keeping relevance with a still ongoing manga especially. I haven't read as much of the manga, mostly relied on both anime continuities and having previously read ahead a little with the Election at the time and then Dark Continent, but going off what I remembered of 1999 at the time and watching 2011 as it aired, I found myself a bit annoyed by the more typical upbeat shonen vibes (and subsequent brighter colors plastered all over) and more expedited pacing that made major obstacles that felt tense and lived-in in the original anime feel like just a series of tasks on a list in the 2011 anime. I think what is kind of most emblematic of that is the old woman's question in the beginning of the exam which I find paints some of the identity of HxH for me: in the 1999 version, it has some added scenes and buildup more around Leorio trying to go his own path and Gon & Kurapika taking Matthew through an early section of the woods and all, but the fact remained that there was still all this intrigue and having a whole episode dedicated to this one trial and how it is this big ethical dilemma with a trick answer, followed by a scene of Gon seriously ruminating on the implications of being faced with such a choice in the real world, lingering on the harshness of reality and complications of life (as the series would go onto explore some very dark places both as external and internal obstacles). In the 2011 version, that trial is crammed in with the Kiriko trial which is separately about the three characters showing different proficiencies off to these examiners unbeknownst to them; it makes the intent feel less about giving each trial their weight, and more about how efficiently they can fit in however much material into 20-odd minutes. I think the slower pace, atmospheric mood and more dynamic direction--highlighted with all those aesthetic comparisons that TC linked, a bit more easy to illustrate through fights generally, but still showcasing the different visual styles and tones--felt more appropriate for the series; it still has its levity in places as far as the content goes, and I don't think this style detracts from that really, the soundtrack is just as whimsical & adventurous as it is wistful & mysterious, a careful balance, and Gon's good nature (though as detractors would argue, TOO good in the 1999 version) and the earnest core love for the wondrous and unknown is still present in the text to give it some lightness, but it helps the transition into the heavier stuff feel a bit more organic. As far as the apparent changes in character stuff though, maybe I didn't notice them as heavily in the big gaps between watching 1999 and 2011--but I know some people fixate on stuff like Gon being a bit more squeaky clean in the old anime which may betray his later corruption and all, though moments like him recovering from Geretta's poison properly and stewing about Hisoka and being fearful of him in 1999 over him brushing off the poison and being more just frustrated with his skill gap against Hisoka that is more canon I don't think really ruins stuff for later (or maybe I could be wrong as I more actively try to cross reference on this rewatch), given that Gon's stubborn nature is still prevalent, and you could argue all these exposures to the challenges of the real world start to chip away at him while his inherent childlike naivety and straightforwardness are still present and exploitable and it might not have to strictly be reliant on more suspicious actions in the manga to enable that change or Gon's sense of thrill mixed in with his trepidation after facing Hisoka rather than fear considering he's still a child who was thrust into a harsh new unknown world, less experienced than some of the others which might instill a bit of fear in him before he begins to acclimating to the world and getting stronger, especially with Nen training). Though I guess it becomes a concern of how to parse Gon's character weaknesses for who he as an individual is and grows from it, and what is just part of his general nature as a child and how he changes from his experiences which may be more broad there. When making an adaptation, and especially with taking some creative license for ongoing stuff, I imagine it can sometimes be tricky if a director may have good intentions to try and expand on the material for the better, only for it to be controversial later, but surely it makes for an easy crutch when you have a "New and Improved" alternate adaptation which has the virtue of hindsight and more time passing and everything, but then it starts to feel like the intention with the new project is to stick as close to the colloquial book as possible, so it grants a broad defense of "accuracy" over creative experimentation and vision. The 2011 version smooths things out later ofc I feel, but yeah the very traditional shonen-y vibes more about hitting all the plot beats rather than accentuating/enhancing them leaves me feeling a bit colder about the material I watch knowing there's a more interesting way they are told elsewhere. The 2011 version also starts out with a super generic soundtrack and a pretty repetitious use of it, though of course, over time it improves drastically for lots of staggering, memorable tracks. I think the 1999 continuity also falters when it reaches the Greed Island OVAs, which have a cheap digipaint (?) look that is definitely a bit antiquated especially now, and the slower pacing does a disservice to what's meant to be a brisk, exciting arc, something that the 2011 version's style was more naturally made for and is where I think is most clearly the point where one can safely diverge if watching the 1999 continuity and continuing on. There's also the better artistic consistency of the 2011 version, even if 1999 hits bigger highs, and naturally, you get Chimera Ant onwards with it. So yeah, maybe can't speak to all the finer character comparison points just yet (though I always liked how Kurapika shows that extra bit of remorse with but I think the 1999 version is still worth a look for some of its own novelties to compare and that I'm sure still has merit which doesn't make it completely obsolete to purists. I like it! |
AngelsArcanumSep 4, 2022 7:17 PM
| I'm pretty sure most people prefer 2011 |
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