| Darling in the Franxx is an amazing show, but many likely missed the point. Darling in the Franxx gets flak and a lower score because viewers can't appreciate what's actually being presented to them. A lot of the shows symbolism and expressions are lost on them primarily because they come into the show expecting your typical B-Rate action-filled shounen. Darling in the Franxx is a lot greater than that considering the sum of its parts. There are layers to Darling in the Franxx that needs to be explored. On the surface Darling in the Franxx features child drama and mech fights blended in to a balance. In the span of 24 episodes viewers can appreciate a medley of interesting scenarios; child drama, mech battles, aliens, sexual innuendos, beach episodes, dystopian worlds, torture, mad scientist, creepy adults, bedtime story books, and purposeful plot/character revelations. This is all fantastic sure, but the show truly soars when all of these things are framed by its primary themes/ideas and then encapsulated in the shows primary focus; the characters Hiro & Zero Two. Through these two characters, and their stories everything is framed to greater detail and perspective. Therein lies the genius and enjoyment of Darling in the Franxx as a whole. Its a bummer when I see folks complaining about the surface level things in the show while completely overlooking much of its carefully crafted details and ideas. Still its to be expected... not everyone is going to understand things or connect to the degree the showrunners and artist hope viewers do. Speaking of which the ending.. it isn't sad or bad at all; you simply missed the point. Zero Two wanted one thing more than anything in her life, and that was to be with Hiro which she was granted for all eternity, and even past life after death. Hell she even gets to be human and have babies with her love eternal, Hiro. If that's not a good ending to you then I don't know how else to explain it. -------------------------------------------------EDIT--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Some folks wanted some specific reasons why I loved this show... so here it is. To give specifics about things I loved about the show... -Watching Hiro and Zero Two finally find each other and spend precious time together was particularly heartwarming to me, because I really believe these characters went through a lot of unwarranted hell, particularly Zero Two who was as innocent and in need of a lot of love as any child would be. -The OST was absolutely fantastic as were the visual, I think most can agree here. "Hitori" played during the intro to the picture book was sung by the voice actor of Zero Two. How amazing is that? And what beautiful song and vocal work it is! -As I've mention the OST is absolutely fantastic, as a matter of fact I enjoyed them so much I was able to connect to even characters with very limited supporting roles, which was basically everyone but Hiro & Zero Two. I can probably pick out 7-10 favorites and talk in detail about their vocal works, the instruments employed, the emotion they impart and the story they tell. This might sound absurd, but I am dead serious. I really love music in shows and video games that tell a story and impart emotion. The composer for Darling in the Franx; Asami Tachibana achieved this to fantastic results! -I love some of the inspirations from classics this show employs; Neon Genesis Evangelion (although several Key Gainax members worked on Darling in the Franxx so that might be why.) and classics like Beauty & the Beast. (picture book) -Zero Two and her first beautiful thing being the picture book, a book that itself is highly detailed, intriguing to look at and despite being her first beautiful thing.. ironically forebodes of dark times to inevitably come. The "dark times" did indeed come and most people hated it. In truth though they did not come to pass entirely because in actuality Zero Two and Hiro did manage to change their destiny and live happily ever after despite the picture books dark foreboding. This was actually represented by the last picture which was badly drawn by Hiro (he just isn't a great an artist as Zero Two unfortunately :) ). -I loved the representation of the mythical creature the Jian and how that mythical creature related to the characters and their life as Franxx pilots. Its relevance made a lot of sense thematically and was very endearing. -Besides the Jian there is a lot of other symbolic things to pick out that relates to the characters and the plot that follows; -"Strelizia in reference to the flower Bird of Paradise. The flower symbolizes freedom, joy, and paradise. It also represents a good perspective of life." -The design of the True Apus, its crossing to the far reaches of space and what that meant was profound because it meant a variety of things; a lot of it depressingly sad, a lot of it being quite beautiful.. to the point of confusion. You are basically left wondering weather to root for them or to cry for them. One thing is for sure; Hiro and Zero Two were very certain of what they needed to do and that gave me plenty of reassurance. In the end I was happy about how strongly they loved each other, their friends and the universe as a whole which they did manage to save. -I found the innocence, love, pain, and struggle the characters experienced very impactful... particularly Zero Two, and Hiro's who's pain resonated with something in me. It all came off very real. -------------------------------------------------2ndEDIT--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- For anyone who it may concern; I am more of a video game buff. I pay particular attention to the narrative parts of video games, character design, graphic design, animation detail, gameplay mechanics, sound design and the composition of the games tracks are all highly considered. All this translates pretty well into my enjoyment of anime too. I've played nearly every game worth mentioning under the sun and I am very proud of it. Some folks believe games cant tell a story, or move you emotionally as a show or a movie can. This is false and very ignorant... games can do the same and sometimes to a greater degree. See "13 Sentinels: Aegis Rim" if you haven't already. You haven't? well hell you don't know what you are missing! -------------------------------------------------3rdEDIT--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Just bought the Blu ray of Neon Genesis Evangelion from Amazon.com. Too many times brought up and now its time to watch it. Sub of course. And no one even try to convince me otherwise. Please. <_< -------------------------------------------------4thEDIT--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- A couple of things I should add about me so as to temper expectations when engaging me and this thread. I don't particularly like or enjoy Shonen; I can't find myself appreciating them as they are generally too long and I quickly grew out of them after DBZ. If you whole heartedly enjoy Shonen that's great, but you will likely find this post and me deplorable. Just an observation, and maybe some of you will better see where I stand in terms of my expectations for anime. I also don't generally enjoy dubs. -------------------------------------------------5thEDIT--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posting a very eye opening interview with the 3 key guys who developed the show. Please indulge and read to have a better insight into what Darling in the Fraxx truly is; https://www.crunchyroll.com/anime-feature/2018/10/05-1/interview-darling-in-the-franxx-creators-talk-franxx-trigger-and-zero-two Some answer highlights!; “Nishigori: With most of the other characters we thought about how much we could take away from them without compromising their core design, but with Zero Two the idea was to just toss everything in and keep adding until we reach critical mass and can’t add anymore.” “How about True Apus? Was that more of a Tanaka or Koyama design? Nishigori: One of the first concepts we had was that Zero Two would become a giant robot in the end. We had a lot of meetings with Koyama-san and had to think about how we would bring her back from the final battle. I mean, she’s a giant robot. It was kind of weird to leave that as the final form, so we thought “why don’t we create a form which is her most beautiful form?” and that’s how she ended up wearing the wedding gown. She couldn’t turn into a human in the end, but she was still in the most beautiful state she could be, so it was more of a design concept” |
LordKirkisAug 29, 2022 2:26 PM
| People complained about the change of pace and tone more than anything Yeah they should know Trigger anime better by now, but the show did have it's own share of problem beyond the scope of what people generally complain about |
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Protaku said: People complained about the change of pace and tone more than anything Yeah they should know Trigger anime better by now, but the show did have it's own share of problem beyond the scope of what people generally complain about The show did have its share of issues no doubt, and one of those issues can be said to be the pacing. But then again some of the best narratives are told through unusual means that are bound to experience some pacing issues. Nevertheless it wasn't so bad that it got in the way of its expressiveness. But its possible many did lose interest early on which could have led to misunderstanding of the show. |
Hussein- said: Bruh not to be rude but aint no way someone is gonna read all of that. Imo the show was ok nothing special about it. The lack of interest in the show extends even as far as post's about the show, like the one I've just made. And that presents a problem for anyone hoping to understand or enjoy anything with a degree of depth. |
LordKirkisJun 25, 2022 5:31 PM
R1Pzeraa said: LordKirkis said: Darling in the Franxx is an amazing show, but you likely missed the point. Darling in the Franxx gets flak and a lower score because many can't appreciate what's actually being presented to them. A lot of the shows symbolism and expressions are lost on them primarily because they come into the show expecting your typical B-Rate action-filled shounen. Darling in the Franxx is a lot greater than that and its sum of its parts. There are layers to Darling in the Franxx most don't see. On the surface Darling in the Franxx features child drama and mech fights blended in to a balance. In the span of 24 episodes viewers can appreciate a medley of interesting scenarios; child drama, mech battles, spaceship battles, aliens, beach episodes, innuendos, and purposeful plot/character revelations. This is all fantastic sure, but the show truly soars when all of these things are framed by its primary themes/ideas and then encapsulated in the shows primary focus; the characters Hiro & Zero Two. Through these two characters, and their stories everything is framed to greater detail and perspective. Therein lies the genius and enjoyment of Darling in the Franxx as a whole. Its a bummer when I see folks complaining about the surface level things in the show while completely overlooking much of its carefully crafted details and ideas. Still its to be expected... not everyone is going to understand things or connect to the degree the showrunners and artist hope viewers do. Speaking of which the ending.. it isn't sad or bad at all; you simply missed the point. Zero Two wanted one thing more than anything in her life, and that was to be with Hiro which she was granted for all eternity, and even life after death. Hell she even gets to be human and have babies with her love eternal, Hiro. If that's not a good ending to you then I don't know how else to explain it. my brother🤌🤌 One of us... one of us! :) |
Mapachecool999 said: For me the show was boring lmao, not more You probably didn't get too far in. The scifi world and character designs, along with the monsters should have hooked you in. If not... well since its such a slow burn to the build up I can't expect you to enjoy it. |
| in other words: "anyone who doesn't think this is as great as I do, does not understand artistic expression, literature or anything related to story telling for that matter"... I paid attention, I got it, I just didn't think it was good. |
scarlet_snake said: bro typed out an entire essay, dedicated ig I could have gone into specifics, but then it'd really have gotten too long. I found the show to be pretty impactful and meaningful in its expressions to say the least! |
| Joined in May of this year. 31 anime completed. Are you really certain you're in a position to critique the thought process of the "typical" anime viewer? Personally I think you're greatly exaggerating the philosophical depth of this show and grossly underestimating the average anime fan's ability to recognize bullshit when they see it. |
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scarlet_snake said: LordKirkis said: I could have gone into specifics, but then it'd really have gotten too long. I found the show to be pretty impactful and meaningful in its expressions to say the least! I HIGHLY recommend you watch neon genesis evangelion. Thanks for the suggestion! I meant to get to it eventually, but I am now more eager to. Cestlavie_ said: when you go from normal small scale battles against monsters to full blown Save the universe from destruction kind of thing in a drop of a hat of course people will complain Things did escalate pretty quickly no doubt, but then again the enemy was always present, we just didn't know it. And so it came as a surprise, but the reality is the true enemies oppressiveness was always present and felt. Cestlavie_ said: This show was good up till the point that idiotic girl got pregnant or the whole space battle thing started it tried so hard to be deep like Evangelion, my gosh Frankly negligible and subjective, so I wont press you on that or discuss. I will simply state that the birth of Kokoro's baby represented something very beautiful; lets say the meaning of what living as human truly mean, which is reflected throughout the show. |
epidemia78 said: Joined in May of this year. 31 anime completed. Are you really certain you're in a position to critique the thought process of the "typical" anime viewer? Personally I think you're greatly exaggerating the philosophical depth of this show and grossly underestimating the average anime fan's ability to recognize bullshit when they see it. HAHAHA! lets just say I don't even need to look through your profile to asses how I should respond to your post. Your post alone is enough. And to be blunt I personally don't take the average enjoyer seriously. I know by experience most folks consume games or shows with half a brain or the bare minimum interest in exploring detail in art. |
LordKirkisJun 25, 2022 6:23 PM
| hmm a show where kids need to pilot mechs in a post apocalyptic world, where there are monsters which in order to destroy you need to take out their core, where also a very mysterious organization controls every thing, where the mech pilots have a sync rate with the mechs they're operating and in the end in turns out that . yes this is definitely, absolutely not an evangelion chinese copy. this show has completely original ideas which has never been demonstrated before in a show from the 90s. 10/10 show tbh. |
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Cestlavie_ said: LordKirkis said: Thanks for the suggestion! I meant to get to it eventually, but I am now more eager to. Things did escalate pretty quickly no doubt, but then again the enemy was always present, we just didn't know it. And so it came as a surprise, but the reality is the true enemies oppressiveness was always present and felt. Frankly negligible and subjective, so I wont press you on that or discuss. I will simply state that the birth of Kokoro's baby represented something very beautiful; lets say the meaning of what living as human truly mean, which is reflected throughout the show. Nah Kokoro belongs in the streets , the streets, that plotline had no reason to exist Maybe she does belong to the streets, but she became instrumental to the survival of humanity and through this bares the burden of that stigma! Her sacrifice earns her respect in my eyes! :) |
zemeck said: hmm a show where kids need to pilot mechs in a post apocalyptic world, where there are monsters which in order to destroy you need to take out their core, where also a very mysterious organization controls every thing, where the mech pilots have a sync rate with the mechs they're operating and in the end in turns out that . yes this is definitely, absolutely not an evangelion chinese copy. this show has completely original ideas which has never been demonstrated before in a show from the 90s. 10/10 show tbh. So for you the show was very unoriginal and thus null. You barely scratched the surface though imo. |
LordKirkis said: zemeck said: hmm a show where kids need to pilot mechs in a post apocalyptic world, where there are monsters which in order to destroy you need to take out their core, where also a very mysterious organization controls every thing, where the mech pilots have a sync rate with the mechs they're operating and in the end in turns out that . yes this is definitely, absolutely not an evangelion chinese copy. this show has completely original ideas which has never been demonstrated before in a show from the 90s. 10/10 show tbh. So for you the show was very unoriginal and thus null. You barely scratched the surface though imo. yes exactly, darling in the franxx is basically nge but replace the actual lore and messages about depression and what so with horniness. if you like it thats cool you do you, but you cant deny the fact this show is a washed up version of nge |
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zemeck said: LordKirkis said: So for you the show was very unoriginal and thus null. You barely scratched the surface though imo. yes exactly, darling in the franxx is basically nge but replace the actual lore and messages about depression and what so with horniness. if you like it thats cool you do you, but you cant deny the fact this show is a washed up version of nge Ill have to get back to you on that. All I can say is that Darling in the Franxx overall production is stellar and comes off as a true passion project. |
LordKirkis said: epidemia78 said: Joined in May of this year. 31 anime completed. Are you really certain you're in a position to critique the thought process of the "typical" anime viewer? Personally I think you're greatly exaggerating the philosophical depth of this show and grossly underestimating the average anime fan's ability to recognize bullshit when they see it. HAHAHA! lets just say I don't even need to look through your profile to asses how I should respond to your post. Your post alone is enough. And to be blunt I personally don't take the average enjoyer seriously. I know by experience most folks consume games or shows with half a brain or the bare earnest interest in exploring detail in art. You're not the first insufferably smug idiot who comes to anime forums posting hot takes under the delusion they know what "true art" is. If you're gonna do that, get better taste first. |
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Jay_Burson-510 said: While I do agree to a certain extent about the themes some people overlook in the show, I think your wrong as to why a lot of people dislike this show. The sudden change in tone and pacing into a space battle for about 3 episodes up to the finale was what drove people to hating on the show (though I can't speak to everyone). Everything up until episode 15 is a fun rollercoaster and exploration of the relationship between Zero Two and Hiro. About how they needed each other, about how it needed for them to be together to work because they are the only ones they can rely on. After that though, they never get a clear continuation of that arc until the finale. We got that wedding arc but it was not a smooth transition. We really did not connect much to those characters to warrant the impact of the arc. I already said how it was just too much after episode 21. It became bad and ruined the themes because nothing made sense at that point, not in a thematic way but a executional way. So no it can never be objectively amazing. That's not to say that you can't enjoy a show just because themes itself. I just don't think the themes of that show were enough to carry its big issues. On the other hand, something like fireworks is a movie a lot of people just got out confused and felt like they were watching a nothing burger. I think that the themes I found in that movies was beautiful but I still acknowledge the fact that it didn't portray it in a coherent way. Regardless I still enjoyed it. Actually, a better comparison can be made with Yu Gi Oh Arc V anime. It's a show that a few people had some hope for but was ruined by the ending. The reason was also somewhat the same as it felt like they rushed way too much in some aspects while making the whole experience underwhelming. The reason I still enjoyed it though is because regardless of the ending, they still somewhat landed with yuya's arc. A lot of people can say that he regressed at the end actually I don't care that much. Arc V themes from start to finish is to just have fun and find a way to a world that you can enjoy yourself regardless of how cringey it got. Because of that, it didn't completely ruin the experience for me and it didn't sour it altogether because I was there to see Yuya enjoy while dueling. In Darling in the Franxx though, it wasn't there story anymore right up before the finale. It was about the horror of how humanity lead itself to its self destruction. It didn't involve them too much at that point except for probably (if you squint a little bit) how Hiro refused to be like that and tried to help people and live even if it meant dying. Personally, a lot of the latter half of episodes feel like a fever dream and I don't think the first 15 episodes are enough to save it. Don't get me wrong, Darling is objectively better than Arc V. But personally, it isn't as enjoyable. The same can be said about Darling and B-tier Shonen. Those anime could have been better made but Darling was something that speaks more to you. TL;DR It really isn't that amazing but I could see how you think of it that way. Thanks for sharing your thoughts. I wish I could speak on Arc V and Fireworks (ill check that out) but I have not watched them. Nevertheless you touch on a real issue of how narrative can be clumsily presented in shows. Sometimes its that the plot is delivered too slowly or quickly and it gets convoluted. Interestingly sometimes even in that form we can still appreciate the overall product! Its particularly nice when you see the diamond in the rough though isn't it? Almost like it remains special or unique nevertheless. :) All that said.. while DitF could have been paced differently I have to say I did not find the second half of Darling in the Franxx confusing or irrelevant at all. What happened was simple, the true enemies appeared. In other words the true oppressors who are not only preventing ZeroTwo/Hiro from being happy, but the whole universe itself who are at the cusp of mass genocide. So yes, the second half is very relevant to Zero Two and Hiro's story. Its essentially their final stop to freedom and at the core of all their personal problems. Even after their major victory, that freedom they rightfully earned is temporary and the fight will continue at some point in time if the oppressors are to be believed. |
LordKirkisJun 25, 2022 7:05 PM
epidemia78 said: LordKirkis said: HAHAHA! lets just say I don't even need to look through your profile to asses how I should respond to your post. Your post alone is enough. And to be blunt I personally don't take the average enjoyer seriously. I know by experience most folks consume games or shows with half a brain or the bare earnest interest in exploring detail in art. You're not the first insufferably smug idiot who comes to anime forums posting hot takes under the delusion they know what "true art" is. If you're gonna do that, get better taste first. Did you have to resort to name calling though? I guess I shouldn't expect any less. Go somewhere else, I wont pay you any mind as it stands. |
ichihito said: trash is trash period. Now now, you cant judge me on my taste if you are a One Piece enjoyer lmao. Still you like a bunch of other shows I enjoy too, so I wont judge too harshly. |
LordKirkis said: Protaku said: People complained about the change of pace and tone more than anything Yeah they should know Trigger anime better by now, but the show did have it's own share of problem beyond the scope of what people generally complain about The show did have its share of issues no doubt, and one of those issues can be said to be the pacing. But then again some of the best narratives are told through unusual means that are bound to experience some pacing issues. Nevertheless it wasn't so bad that it got in the way of its expressiveness. But its possible many did lose interest early on which could have led to misunderstanding of the show. Yeah. I still thought it was an ok show, but I liked the first half more than the second, which is I think the general sentiment. Some things could have been done better, but yeah the show isn't as bad as people say it is Just missed potential |
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IhnalakoKaina said: in other words: "anyone who doesn't think this is as great as I do, does not understand artistic expression, literature or anything related to story telling for that matter"... I paid attention, I got it, I just didn't think it was good. I am going out on a limb when I say things like this of course. But that's why I made the post, to have open discourse. Its understandable to not relate or connect with a show, sometimes its just irrelevant to a person and/or the music doesn't move or touch the soul. We cant all enjoy it, still... I stand by the shows production and passion. |
ichihito said: LordKirkis said: Now now, you cant judge me on my taste if you are a One Piece enjoyer lmao. Still you like a bunch of other shows I enjoy too, so I wont judge too harshly. Good point, valid opinion. I was actually getting ready to be cancelled when I commented ☠️ LMAO respect! all good man. |
| Darling in the franxx is a superficial and a car wreck of a show. When it tried doing philosophy,it failed. When it tried resonating psychological,it fell miserably and when it tried building character bonds,it was nothing but already explored cliché shit which didnt surprise anyone. The plot progressing is pretty obvious and nothing exhilarating,the characters are just your typical anime cast with bad nuancing and shitty motivations,The Evangelion approach towards the mecha genre is ok but i guess the writer didnt even have an ounce of talent.The plot twists didnt matter as the stakes never seemed high,a strong enemy was still gonna be defeated by out heroes without any actual motivational drive. The only thign good was the visuals and the OSTs. Not to mention the rushed Gurren lagann-ish ending,which was even unsure of itself. |
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KP_SENSEI said: Darling in the franxx is a superficial and a car wreck of a show. When it tried doing philosophy,it failed. When it tried resonating psychological,it fell miserably and when it tried building character bonds,it was nothing but already explored cliché shit which didnt surprise anyone. The plot progressing is pretty obvious and nothing exhilarating,the characters are just your typical anime cast with bad nuancing and shitty motivations,The Evangelion approach towards the mecha genre is ok but i guess the writer didnt even have an ounce of talent.The plot twists didnt matter as the stakes never seemed high,a strong enemy was still gonna be defeated by out heroes without any actual motivational drive. The only thign good was the visuals and the OSTs. Not to mention the rushed Gurren lagann-ish ending,which was even unsure of itself. I am shocked you believe the show to be superficial. Ill agree the visuals and the OST are stellar. As to the assertion that the show "tried" anything and failed... well I don't know what to tell you. The show likely rubbed you wrong way, simply not your cup of tea, and you likely didn't care enough to give it a chance. Which is fine. Fr0zt_ed said: LordKirkis said: Darling in the Franxx is an amazing show, but you likely missed the point. Darling in the Franxx gets flak and a lower score because many can't appreciate what's actually being presented to them. A lot of the shows symbolism and expressions are lost on them primarily because they come into the show expecting your typical B-Rate action-filled shounen. Darling in the Franxx is a lot greater than that considering the sum of its parts. There are layers to Darling in the Franxx that needs to be explored. On the surface Darling in the Franxx features child drama and mech fights blended in to a balance. In the span of 24 episodes viewers can appreciate a medley of interesting scenarios; child drama, mech battles, spaceship battles, aliens, beach episodes, innuendos, and purposeful plot/character revelations. This is all fantastic sure, but the show truly soars when all of these things are framed by its primary themes/ideas and then encapsulated in the shows primary focus; the characters Hiro & Zero Two. Through these two characters, and their stories everything is framed to greater detail and perspective. Therein lies the genius and enjoyment of Darling in the Franxx as a whole. Its a bummer when I see folks complaining about the surface level things in the show while completely overlooking much of its carefully crafted details and ideas. Still its to be expected... not everyone is going to understand things or connect to the degree the showrunners and artist hope viewers do. Speaking of which the ending.. it isn't sad or bad at all; you simply missed the point. Zero Two wanted one thing more than anything in her life, and that was to be with Hiro which she was granted for all eternity, and even past life after death. Hell she even gets to be human and have babies with her love eternal, Hiro. If that's not a good ending to you then I don't know how else to explain it. My man its not that deep sorry, this ain’t some psychological shit its fan service mech battle trash We must of watched the same show but through a totally different lens. |
LordKirkisJun 25, 2022 9:07 PM
An_yuvi said: "Types in a full Essay about people misunderstanding the series" "Didn't explain the what's the misunderstanding at all" "Leaves" Just look at any of the 6 and below reviews and awful takes on any forum concerning DitF. Some of it is legitimate as in the show is simply not for the person but a lot of it is also nonsense. Ill add that sometimes people watch a show at the wrong place (mentally) and at wrong time and once that happens its a wrap. At that point a show like this will hardly be seen past its surface. |
LordKirkisJun 25, 2022 9:43 PM
Cookiedude said: The show was great and I loved it upuntil they took over the 'Grand Crevis' and after that it all went down hill. With that butchered ending, over all I don't like the show. Even though my favourite episode from all time is in this show called the 'The Beast and the Prince'. And please if you're going to claim that a show is great and and people area not seeing the full picture and post such a long thread, you might as well have explained it for us to see the greatness in the show that you did. How exactly did it go down hill and how was the ending butchered? To give specifics about things I loved about the show... -Watching Hiro and Zero Two finally find each other and spend precious time together was particularly heartwarming to me, because I really believe these characters went through a lot of unwarranted hell, particularly Zero Two who was as pure and in need of a lot of love as any princess character. -The OST was absolutely fantastic as were the visual, I think most can agree here. "Hitori" played during the intro to the pictures book was sung by the voice actor of Zero Two. How amazing is that? And what beautiful song and vocal work it is! -I love some of the inspirations from classics this show employs, Neon Genesis Evangelion was obvious despite me not seeing it yet, but also classics like Beauty & the Beast. (picture book) -Zero Two and her first beautiful thing being the picture book, a book that itself is highly detailed and intriguing to look at and forebodes of dark times to inevitably come. The "dark times" did indeed come and most people hated it. In truth though they did not come to pass entirely because in actuality Zero Two and Hiro did manage to change their destiny and live happily ever after despite the picture books dark foreboding. This was actually represented by the last picture which was badly drawn by Hiro (he just isn't a great an artist as Zero Two unfortunately :) ). -I loved the representation of the mythical creature the Jian and how that mythical creature related to the characters and their life as Franxx pilots. Its relevance made a lot of sense thematically and was very endearing. -Besides the Jian there is a lot of other symbolic things to pick out that relates to the characters and the plot that follows; -"Strelizia in reference to the flower Bird of Paradise. The flower symbolizes freedom, joy, and paradise. It also represents a good perspective of life." -The design of the True Apus, its crossing to the far reaches of space and what that meant was profound because it meant a variety of things; a lot of it depressingly sad, a lot of it being quite beautiful.. to the point of confusion. You are basically left wondering weather to root for them or to cry for them. One thing is for sure; Hiro and Zero Two were very certain of what they needed to do and that gave me plenty of reassurance. In the end I was happy about how strongly they loved each other, their friends and the universe as a whole which they did manage to save. -I found the innocence, love, pain, and struggle the characters experienced very impactful... particularly Zero Two, and Hiro's who's pain resonated with something in me. It all came off very real. |
LordKirkisJun 25, 2022 10:37 PM
LordKirkis said: Darling in the Franxx is an amazing show, but you likely missed the point. Darling in the Franxx gets flak and a lower score because many can't appreciate what's actually being presented to them. A lot of the shows symbolism and expressions are lost on them primarily because they come into the show expecting your typical B-Rate action-filled shounen. Darling in the Franxx is a lot greater than that considering the sum of its parts. There are layers to Darling in the Franxx that needs to be explored. On the surface Darling in the Franxx features child drama and mech fights blended in to a balance. In the span of 24 episodes viewers can appreciate a medley of interesting scenarios; child drama, mech battles, spaceship battles, aliens, beach episodes, innuendos, and purposeful plot/character revelations. This is all fantastic sure, but the show truly soars when all of these things are framed by its primary themes/ideas and then encapsulated in the shows primary focus; the characters Hiro & Zero Two. Through these two characters, and their stories everything is framed to greater detail and perspective. Therein lies the genius and enjoyment of Darling in the Franxx as a whole. Its a bummer when I see folks complaining about the surface level things in the show while completely overlooking much of its carefully crafted details and ideas. Still its to be expected... not everyone is going to understand things or connect to the degree the showrunners and artist hope viewers do. Speaking of which the ending.. it isn't sad or bad at all; you simply missed the point. Zero Two wanted one thing more than anything in her life, and that was to be with Hiro which she was granted for all eternity, and even past life after death. Hell she even gets to be human and have babies with her love eternal, Hiro. If that's not a good ending to you then I don't know how else to explain it. if we 'missed the point' i probably am not going to find it here, your comment manages to say so much yet so little at the same time. just because an ending is "happy" does not make the entire events preceding it make sense or be written well, for example. i don't think any person can seriously defend Giant Asfuck Zero Two as a valuable addition to the show in any sense. you also speak of symbolism, but haven't given any examples, was there really much more symbolism than the sex metaphors at every turn? i do actually remember enjoying this somewhat since it was my third anime ever, but i don't think it holds up well under much scrutiny. |
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Miras1der said: LordKirkis said: Darling in the Franxx is an amazing show, but you likely missed the point. Darling in the Franxx gets flak and a lower score because many can't appreciate what's actually being presented to them. A lot of the shows symbolism and expressions are lost on them primarily because they come into the show expecting your typical B-Rate action-filled shounen. Darling in the Franxx is a lot greater than that considering the sum of its parts. There are layers to Darling in the Franxx that needs to be explored. On the surface Darling in the Franxx features child drama and mech fights blended in to a balance. In the span of 24 episodes viewers can appreciate a medley of interesting scenarios; child drama, mech battles, spaceship battles, aliens, beach episodes, innuendos, and purposeful plot/character revelations. This is all fantastic sure, but the show truly soars when all of these things are framed by its primary themes/ideas and then encapsulated in the shows primary focus; the characters Hiro & Zero Two. Through these two characters, and their stories everything is framed to greater detail and perspective. Therein lies the genius and enjoyment of Darling in the Franxx as a whole. Its a bummer when I see folks complaining about the surface level things in the show while completely overlooking much of its carefully crafted details and ideas. Still its to be expected... not everyone is going to understand things or connect to the degree the showrunners and artist hope viewers do. Speaking of which the ending.. it isn't sad or bad at all; you simply missed the point. Zero Two wanted one thing more than anything in her life, and that was to be with Hiro which she was granted for all eternity, and even past life after death. Hell she even gets to be human and have babies with her love eternal, Hiro. If that's not a good ending to you then I don't know how else to explain it. im with ya brother Here here! its great to know there are many out there who did love the show similarly! To those who the shows message it did reach, it really is something special to have experienced. I am positive its the messages the producers of the show meant to express to viewers. |
| I love it when people categorize others as "typical and "average" to sugarcoat their favourite anime. You loved the trash drama? Good for you. |
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LordKirkis said: epidemia78 said: Joined in May of this year. 31 anime completed. Are you really certain you're in a position to critique the thought process of the "typical" anime viewer? Personally I think you're greatly exaggerating the philosophical depth of this show and grossly underestimating the average anime fan's ability to recognize bullshit when they see it. HAHAHA! lets just say I don't even need to look through your profile to asses how I should respond to your post. Your post alone is enough. And to be blunt I personally don't take the average enjoyer seriously. I know by experience most folks consume games or shows with half a brain or the bare minimum interest in exploring detail in art. kinda bold of you to assume others don't think the same way of you, isn't it? usually those who watch much more anime than you do so not because they want to turn their brain off, but because, like you, they love the art-form and find genuine value in it. dismissing others' perspectives purely because of a desire to validate yourself is one of the basic mistakes of the egoistic person, not just with regards to anime but also life itself. for perspective, DiTF was one of my favourite anime ever when it was my third anime, but i quickly moved on to better things because it's predecessors are far more human, more well-written and less clichéd, more subtle and so on. i can appreciate DiTF because it's a very accessible entry-level mecha anime if you can tune out all the needless sex metaphors, but yeah, it really isn't in the same league as something like NGE. |
| -- art-house/psychological/stylish/philosophical anime enjoyer with yuri bias and the attention span of a smol-antlered creature -- |
3looming said: LordKirkis said: Darling in the Franxx is an amazing show, but you likely missed the point. Darling in the Franxx gets flak and a lower score because many can't appreciate what's actually being presented to them. A lot of the shows symbolism and expressions are lost on them primarily because they come into the show expecting your typical B-Rate action-filled shounen. Darling in the Franxx is a lot greater than that considering the sum of its parts. There are layers to Darling in the Franxx that needs to be explored. On the surface Darling in the Franxx features child drama and mech fights blended in to a balance. In the span of 24 episodes viewers can appreciate a medley of interesting scenarios; child drama, mech battles, spaceship battles, aliens, beach episodes, innuendos, and purposeful plot/character revelations. This is all fantastic sure, but the show truly soars when all of these things are framed by its primary themes/ideas and then encapsulated in the shows primary focus; the characters Hiro & Zero Two. Through these two characters, and their stories everything is framed to greater detail and perspective. Therein lies the genius and enjoyment of Darling in the Franxx as a whole. Its a bummer when I see folks complaining about the surface level things in the show while completely overlooking much of its carefully crafted details and ideas. Still its to be expected... not everyone is going to understand things or connect to the degree the showrunners and artist hope viewers do. Speaking of which the ending.. it isn't sad or bad at all; you simply missed the point. Zero Two wanted one thing more than anything in her life, and that was to be with Hiro which she was granted for all eternity, and even past life after death. Hell she even gets to be human and have babies with her love eternal, Hiro. If that's not a good ending to you then I don't know how else to explain it. if we 'missed the point' i probably am not going to find it here, your comment manages to say so much yet so little at the same time. just because an ending is "happy" does not make the entire events preceding it make sense or be written well, for example. i don't think any person can seriously defend Giant Asfuck Zero Two as a valuable addition to the show in any sense. you also speak of symbolism, but haven't given any examples, was there really much more symbolism than the sex metaphors at every turn? i do actually remember enjoying this somewhat since it was my third anime ever, but i don't think it holds up well under much scrutiny. I posted this already, but Ill post it again; sorry if its too long. Wow that's amazing that it was your third show! xD anyways here are my thoughts... -Watching Hiro and Zero Two finally find each other and spend precious time together was particularly heartwarming to me, because I really believe these characters went through a lot of unwarranted hell, particularly Zero Two who was as pure and in need of a lot of love as any princess character. -The OST was absolutely fantastic as were the visual, I think most can agree here. "Hitori" played during the intro to the pictures book was sung by the voice actor of Zero Two. How amazing is that? And what beautiful song and vocal work it is! -I love some of the inspirations from classics this show employs, Neon Genesis Evangelion was obvious despite me not seeing it yet, but also classics like Beauty & the Beast. (picture book) -Zero Two and her first beautiful thing being the picture book, a book that itself is highly detailed and intriguing to look at and forebodes of dark times to inevitably come. The "dark times" did indeed come and most people hated it. In truth though they did not come to pass entirely because in actuality Zero Two and Hiro did manage to change their destiny and live happily ever after despite the picture books dark foreboding. This was actually represented by the last picture which was badly drawn by Hiro (he just isn't a great an artist as Zero Two unfortunately :) ). -I loved the representation of the mythical creature the Jian and how that mythical creature related to the characters and their life as Franxx pilots. Its relevance made a lot of sense thematically and was very endearing. -Besides the Jian there is a lot of other symbolic things to pick out that relates to the characters and the plot that follows; -"Strelizia in reference to the flower Bird of Paradise. The flower symbolizes freedom, joy, and paradise. It also represents a good perspective of life." -The design of the True Apus, its crossing to the far reaches of space and what that meant was profound because it meant a variety of things; a lot of it depressingly sad, a lot of it being quite beautiful.. to the point of confusion. You are basically left wondering weather to root for them or to cry for them. One thing is for sure; Hiro and Zero Two were very certain of what they needed to do and that gave me plenty of reassurance. In the end I was happy about how strongly they loved each other, their friends and the universe as a whole which they did manage to save. -I found the innocence, love, pain, and struggle the characters experienced very impactful... particularly Zero Two, and Hiro's who's pain resonated with something in me. It all came off very real. |
LordKirkis said: epidemia78 said: You're not the first insufferably smug idiot who comes to anime forums posting hot takes under the delusion they know what "true art" is. If you're gonna do that, get better taste first. Did you have to resort to name calling though? I guess I shouldn't expect any less. Go somewhere else, I wont pay you any mind as it stands. you should probably pay them some mind. i don't mean that as an insult but as healthy advice — nearly everyone goes through a phase like you of loving an anime that is, frankly, not a masterpiece compared to it's competition. that's perfectly okay, but having seen much less anime than others, you're preaching to ex-christians per se. they already know exactly how you think as a newly-obsessed anime fan, so you're not likely to bring with you any kind of groundbreaking revelation to their taste in anime. |
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3looming said: LordKirkis said: HAHAHA! lets just say I don't even need to look through your profile to asses how I should respond to your post. Your post alone is enough. And to be blunt I personally don't take the average enjoyer seriously. I know by experience most folks consume games or shows with half a brain or the bare minimum interest in exploring detail in art. kinda bold of you to assume others don't think the same way of you, isn't it? usually those who watch much more anime than you do so not because they want to turn their brain off, but because, like you, they love the art-form and find genuine value in it. dismissing others' perspectives purely because of a desire to validate yourself is one of the basic mistakes of the egoistic person, not just with regards to anime but also life itself. for perspective, DiTF was one of my favourite anime ever when it was my third anime, but i quickly moved on to better things because it's predecessors are far more human, more well-written and less clichéd, more subtle and so on. i can appreciate DiTF because it's a very accessible entry-level mecha anime if you can tune out all the needless sex metaphors, but yeah, it really isn't in the same league as something like NGE. I really cant comment on NGE, but man do I have so many reasons to go watch it soon! Also the issue with that persons argument and yours is that you assume I haven't consumed literature, stories and similar forms of narrative. How do you think I am as confident in what I believe? You suppose its by happenstance? No its through consumption of many experiences I've enjoyed. I've done nothing else in my life than to consume narrative stories... particularly from games. A segment I am very familiar with as well. |
3looming said: LordKirkis said: Did you have to resort to name calling though? I guess I shouldn't expect any less. Go somewhere else, I wont pay you any mind as it stands. you should probably pay them some mind. i don't mean that as an insult but as healthy advice — nearly everyone goes through a phase like you of loving an anime that is, frankly, not a masterpiece compared to it's competition. that's perfectly okay, but having seen much less anime than others, you're preaching to ex-christians per se. they already know exactly how you think as a newly-obsessed anime fan, so you're not likely to bring with you any kind of groundbreaking revelation to their taste in anime. How old do you think I am? LMAO. Oh boy.... My friend here took one look at my profile and is off saying im going through a "phase" LMFAO. Actually this is pretty entertaining if anything. Did you read my post on the show by chance? the other one with specifics.... I think its best we keep discussions strictly about the show as interesting as you are making this out to be, I will have to insist! xD edit: I want to go on the record and say that I did not dismiss that persons perspective on DitF, but I did dismiss his assumption that I'm a freshman when it comes to narrative in shows or general forms of entertainment with narrative. Same as I am dismissing your similar assumptions now. I think I have every right, specially considering how what you both claim purely amounts to assumptions about who I am and what I have consumed over my many years. I think that's fair, no? In any case think its best we stick to the topic. |
LordKirkisJun 25, 2022 11:24 PM
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