Attack on Titan
| He is made like that you will hate him, being a fanatic and how he is behaving is exactly how fanatics are. |
| 2025 might be the year where I will be happy. This year is not happy year. |
| I'm not sure if this is a hot take but I think Floch/Flocke is like a worse version of Yelena. Yelena was essentially Zeke's right hand and seemed very cunning and always in control of the situation by being calm and collected. Floch on the other hand, being kind of Eren's right hand man, seems very impulsive and brash while also seeming like a dude who came out of nowhere to spit commands that no one takes seriously if he doesn't threaten them with a gun. He just feels like a push-over to me but I think he was written like that on purpose. Even tho I don't really like him as a person I can still appreciate him as a character. |
Yogen-No-KoFeb 21, 2022 2:07 PM
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ZXEAN said: I hate him but he is a well written character. Correct answer… |
| End Zionazism |
| Floch is one the most interesting characters in the story, I never imagined he would become so important after he survided Zeke's attack. I imagined that's a good character development. He just represents the kind of people who would do anything to save their country and their people; pretty bitchy and kinda having a blind faith on Eren, but Floch still sees for what he wants. Still, never cared about him. |
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| He is better than the traitors imo I don't like him but at least he cared about his homeland |
| I've never understood how people could like Floch or believe in his ideals. He's the opposite of what a real patriot is because he killed more Eldians than any other nationality and he's prepared to kill as many Eldians as it takes for his crazy fascist cult. He's exactly what the Marlyian regime was. I feel sick to my stomach when people compare Floch "the psychopath' to one of the best characters on the show, Erwin Smith. If Erwin was alive, he would be leading the charge against Eren. Somebody who was always curious about the possibility of people outside the walls would never agree to commit genocide. That being said, a character like Floch was needed to mirror the crazy radicals of the other side. Everyone on the show is a murderer and no one is innocent, but Floch and those who think like him on both sides have no redeeming qualities. |
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ft45 said: Socita said: I've never understood how people could like Floch or believe in his ideals. He's the opposite of what a real patriot is because he killed more Eldians than any other nationality and he's prepared to kill as many Eldians as it takes for his crazy fascist cult. He's exactly what the Marlyian regime was. I feel sick to my stomach when people compare Floch "the psychopath' to one of the best characters on the show, Erwin Smith. If Erwin was alive, he would be leading the charge against Eren. Somebody who was always curious about the possibility of people outside the walls would never agree to commit genocide. That being said, a character like Floch was needed to mirror the crazy radicals of the other side. Everyone on the show is a murderer and no one is innocent, but Floch and those who think like him on both sides have no redeeming qualities. Erwin would be fighting alongside Eren. When Levi and Erwin were discussing the future plan before the Battle of Shiganshina, Erwin tells Levi that he will deal with external threats as there is someone beyond the walls who wants to kill them. If Erwin was alive, he would have kept traitors in rein and the split inside Survey Corps wouldn't be there. I agree that the split in the corps wouldn't be there if Erwin was alive because Erwin would have plotted to kill Floch and his merry men from the get-go. If you think a man who had waited his whole life to prove that there were people outside the walls would want to wipe them out, then you know nothing about Erwin. His 3 most trusted people (Levi, Hange & Armin) who he had chosen himself to be humanity's weapon, his successor, and the brains of the corps respectively, are all against Eren . The only difference is that Ewin wouldn't have waited around for the fascist cult to take over. He wouldn't have let Nile, his old best friend and Pixis, his trusted ally die in vain. |
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ft45 said: Socita said: I agree that the split in the corps wouldn't be there if Erwin was alive because Erwin would have plotted to kill Floch and his merry men from the get-go. If you think a man who had waited his whole life to prove that there were people outside the walls would want to wipe them out, then you know nothing about Erwin. His 3 most trusted people (Levi, Hange & Armin) who he had chosen himself to be humanity's weapon, his successor, and the brains of the corps respectively, are all against Eren . The only difference is that Ewin wouldn't have waited around for the fascist cult to take over. He wouldn't have let Nile, his old best friend and Pixis, his trusted ally die in vain. Erwin wouldn't have plotted to kill Floch because there won't be any need for that. Erwin would himself become Floch. Floch is only there aiding Eren because top military brass has gone crazy and no one has any plans for the future, and also because he sees the devil in Eren, as he saw in Erwin who could rescue *humanity*. Erwin's fascination isn't with people outside the walls, it is with the fact that there are humans outside the walls. And, as the conversation between Levi and Erwin shows, Erwin has no one-sided love for outsiders who want to kill them. Now, let's see his "3 most trusted people" (lol). Levi is there and rightly so. Armin isn't "trusted people" as in, Armin isn't in his inner circle. And Hange herself admits that she is a failed commander. So, what we see is, self-hating-Armin and failed-commander-Hange doing their own senseless thing and Levi caught up with them by chance by the whole Zeke thing. Not saying Levi would be Yeagerist, but he wouldn't be with Alliance either. So, whatever those three think or do is not on Erwin. About comrades, Pixis himself distrusted Erwin lmfao. Spiking their wine with spinal fluid wasn't ideal, but Floch did what he had to do against foes far greater and more powerful than him. Oh, boy! Everything you said is so wrong. Erwin was the smartest character. He's not a nutjob like Floch. He's not a n.a.z.i/fascist like Floch & his cult. He's a real leader who differentiated between real enemies and 'the whole world'. Erwin knew that there were enemies outside the walls, and he would have done everything in his power to stop the Marlyian military. But he would never agree to commit genocide like a psychopath. He would have known that Eldia couldn't survive on its own without other countries and their technology. He would have known that wiping out the world would lead to a civil war in Eldia until they they'd wipe out each other. He wouldn't have betrayed the volunteers who opposed Zeke and Yelena. Erwin was a politician and a diplomat at heart. He could make people follow him to their deaths with mere words. He could have made the entire world focus their hatred on the fascist cult and proven that Eldians are peace-seekers not devils. He wasn't a coward who participated in one serious fight and lost his marbles, and instead of going to a therapist, he became a complete psychopath like Floch. Erwin chose Hange to be the commander. Just because she doubts herself doesn't mean he would have stopped believing in her. Levi was his right hand more than his actual arm that he lost. If you think Levi would join the cult of nutjobs, you seriously know nothing about Levi. Erwin trusted Armin since the beginning and trusted his judgement. Armin's hesitation makes him human, but when it's time to act, he's reliable. Pixis didn't trust anyone at the beginning because he's smart but Erwin and the scouts wouldn't have achieved so much without him. Nile was Erwin's best friend after Miche when he was a cadet. Erwin wouldn't have let them die like that or wouldn't have let their deaths be in vain. Floch tries to be what he thinks Erwin was, but he fails miserably because he didn't know the real Erwin and he's mentally unstable to lead. Jean and Armin are the ones who are carrying Erwin's legacy. Floch is nothing but an ant that nobody would remember in the show, unlike Erwin whose memory is the drive for Hange, Levi and Armin to keep pushing forward. Anyway, I won't argue with you anymore. You're free to have your own opinions and interpretations. I just hope that if Floch was a real person, you wouldn't support him and that you just like him as a fictional character. Peace out ✌🏼 |
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Socita said: Also, Erwin had a deep guilt for sacrificing his comrades. He also knew his actions were very extreme for sacrificing the citizens of Stohess. That's why he was willing to accept any punishment. We also see him overthrow the government without any bloodshed. We never saw him being hostile towards his enemies. As much as the government was corrupt and responsible for the death of his father, his eyes were never filled with hatred. I like Floch as a character and understand what he brings to the story but he doesn't carry Erwin's ideals. ft45 said: Erwin wouldn't have plotted to kill Floch because there won't be any need for that. Erwin would himself become Floch. Floch is only there aiding Eren because top military brass has gone crazy and no one has any plans for the future, and also because he sees the devil in Eren, as he saw in Erwin who could rescue *humanity*. Erwin's fascination isn't with people outside the walls, it is with the fact that there are humans outside the walls. And, as the conversation between Levi and Erwin shows, Erwin has no one-sided love for outsiders who want to kill them. Now, let's see his "3 most trusted people" (lol). Levi is there and rightly so. Armin isn't "trusted people" as in, Armin isn't in his inner circle. And Hange herself admits that she is a failed commander. So, what we see is, self-hating-Armin and failed-commander-Hange doing their own senseless thing and Levi caught up with them by chance by the whole Zeke thing. Not saying Levi would be Yeagerist, but he wouldn't be with Alliance either. So, whatever those three think or do is not on Erwin. About comrades, Pixis himself distrusted Erwin lmfao. Spiking their wine with spinal fluid wasn't ideal, but Floch did what he had to do against foes far greater and more powerful than him. Oh, boy! Everything you said is so wrong. Erwin was the smartest character. He's not a nutjob like Floch. He's not a n.a.z.i/fascist like Floch & his cult. He's a real leader who differentiated between real enemies and 'the whole world'. Erwin knew that there were enemies outside the walls, and he would have done everything in his power to stop the Marlyian military. But he would never agree to commit genocide like a psychopath. He would have known that Eldia couldn't survive on its own without other countries and their technology. He would have known that wiping out the world would lead to a civil war in Eldia until they they'd wipe out each other. He wouldn't have betrayed the volunteers who opposed Zeke and Yelena. Erwin was a politician and a diplomat at heart. He could make people follow him to their deaths with mere words. He could have made the entire world focus their hatred on the fascist cult and proven that Eldians are peace-seekers not devils. He wasn't a coward who participated in one serious fight and lost his marbles, and instead of going to a therapist, he became a complete psychopath like Floch. Erwin chose Hange to be the commander. Just because she doubts herself doesn't mean he would have stopped believing in her. Levi was his right hand more than his actual arm that he lost. If you think Levi would join the cult of nutjobs, you seriously know nothing about Levi. Erwin trusted Armin since the beginning and trusted his judgement. Armin's hesitation makes him human, but when it's time to act, he's reliable. Pixis didn't trust anyone at the beginning because he's smart but Erwin and the scouts wouldn't have achieved so much without him. Nile was Erwin's best friend after Miche when he was a cadet. Erwin wouldn't have let them die like that or wouldn't have let their deaths be in vain. Floch tries to be what he thinks Erwin was, but he fails miserably because he didn't know the real Erwin and he's mentally unstable to lead. Jean and Armin are the ones who are carrying Erwin's legacy. Floch is nothing but an ant that nobody would remember in the show, unlike Erwin whose memory is the drive for Hange, Levi and Armin to keep pushing forward. Anyway, I won't argue with you anymore. You're free to have your own opinions and interpretations. I just hope that if Floch was a real person, you wouldn't support him and that you just like him as a fictional character. Peace out ✌🏼 |
sammymaheshApr 11, 2022 3:17 AM
on sammymahesh said: Socita said: Also, Erwin had a deep guilt for sacrificing his comrades. He also knew his actions were very extreme for sacrificing the citizens of Stohess. That's why he was willing to accept any punishment. We also see him overthrow the government without any bloodshed. We never saw him being hostile towards his enemies. As much as the government was corrupt and responsible for the death of his father, his eyes were never filled with hatred. I like Floch as a character and understand what he brings to the story but he doesn't carry Erwin's ideals. Oh, boy! Everything you said is so wrong. Erwin was the smartest character. He's not a nutjob like Floch. He's not a n.a.z.i/fascist like Floch & his cult. He's a real leader who differentiated between real enemies and 'the whole world'. Erwin knew that there were enemies outside the walls, and he would have done everything in his power to stop the Marlyian military. But he would never agree to commit genocide like a psychopath. He would have known that Eldia couldn't survive on its own without other countries and their technology. He would have known that wiping out the world would lead to a civil war in Eldia until they they'd wipe out each other. He wouldn't have betrayed the volunteers who opposed Zeke and Yelena. Erwin was a politician and a diplomat at heart. He could make people follow him to their deaths with mere words. He could have made the entire world focus their hatred on the fascist cult and proven that Eldians are peace-seekers not devils. He wasn't a coward who participated in one serious fight and lost his marbles, and instead of going to a therapist, he became a complete psychopath like Floch. Erwin chose Hange to be the commander. Just because she doubts herself doesn't mean he would have stopped believing in her. Levi was his right hand more than his actual arm that he lost. If you think Levi would join the cult of nutjobs, you seriously know nothing about Levi. Erwin trusted Armin since the beginning and trusted his judgement. Armin's hesitation makes him human, but when it's time to act, he's reliable. Pixis didn't trust anyone at the beginning because he's smart but Erwin and the scouts wouldn't have achieved so much without him. Nile was Erwin's best friend after Miche when he was a cadet. Erwin wouldn't have let them die like that or wouldn't have let their deaths be in vain. Floch tries to be what he thinks Erwin was, but he fails miserably because he didn't know the real Erwin and he's mentally unstable to lead. Jean and Armin are the ones who are carrying Erwin's legacy. Floch is nothing but an ant that nobody would remember in the show, unlike Erwin whose memory is the drive for Hange, Levi and Armin to keep pushing forward. Anyway, I won't argue with you anymore. You're free to have your own opinions and interpretations. I just hope that if Floch was a real person, you wouldn't support him and that you just like him as a fictional character. Peace out ✌🏼 Exactly! Floch's character is needed to show that there are extremists on both sides. It's war in a nutshell. It's not black and white. There are radical psychopaths on both sides. There are murderers who are trying to atone on both sides. There are also good innocent people on both sides. There is a cycle of hatred, corruption, injustice and oppression that needs to be broken. Just like Marco said, they should have talked things through instead of repeating the cycle again and again. Sadly, history has taught us that peace treaties don't happen until after unimaginable bloodshed occurs, but peace is an attainable goal while commiting a global genocide to save one divided, primitive country on the brink of a civil war is just something unrealistic and stupid. |
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| Yea, he was the best character and the only thing keeping me sane through the shit show. |
Zxtsukii said: I like him as a character and dislike him as a person as he stands exactly opposite of everything AoT stands for lol ah yes... aot is about romance and not chasing for freedom, keep moving forward, and dedicate your heart. the cringevengers is better written than floch |
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Socita said: ft45 said: Erwin wouldn't have plotted to kill Floch because there won't be any need for that. Erwin would himself become Floch. Floch is only there aiding Eren because top military brass has gone crazy and no one has any plans for the future, and also because he sees the devil in Eren, as he saw in Erwin who could rescue *humanity*. Erwin's fascination isn't with people outside the walls, it is with the fact that there are humans outside the walls. And, as the conversation between Levi and Erwin shows, Erwin has no one-sided love for outsiders who want to kill them. Now, let's see his "3 most trusted people" (lol). Levi is there and rightly so. Armin isn't "trusted people" as in, Armin isn't in his inner circle. And Hange herself admits that she is a failed commander. So, what we see is, self-hating-Armin and failed-commander-Hange doing their own senseless thing and Levi caught up with them by chance by the whole Zeke thing. Not saying Levi would be Yeagerist, but he wouldn't be with Alliance either. So, whatever those three think or do is not on Erwin. About comrades, Pixis himself distrusted Erwin lmfao. Spiking their wine with spinal fluid wasn't ideal, but Floch did what he had to do against foes far greater and more powerful than him. Oh, boy! Everything you said is so wrong. Erwin was the smartest character. He's not a nutjob like Floch. He's not a n.a.z.i/fascist like Floch & his cult. He's a real leader who differentiated between real enemies and 'the whole world'. Erwin knew that there were enemies outside the walls, and he would have done everything in his power to stop the Marlyian military. But he would never agree to commit genocide like a psychopath. He would have known that Eldia couldn't survive on its own without other countries and their technology. He would have known that wiping out the world would lead to a civil war in Eldia until they they'd wipe out each other. He wouldn't have betrayed the volunteers who opposed Zeke and Yelena. Erwin was a politician and a diplomat at heart. He could make people follow him to their deaths with mere words. He could have made the entire world focus their hatred on the fascist cult and proven that Eldians are peace-seekers not devils. He wasn't a coward who participated in one serious fight and lost his marbles, and instead of going to a therapist, he became a complete psychopath like Floch. Erwin chose Hange to be the commander. Just because she doubts herself doesn't mean he would have stopped believing in her. Levi was his right hand more than his actual arm that he lost. If you think Levi would join the cult of nutjobs, you seriously know nothing about Levi. Erwin trusted Armin since the beginning and trusted his judgement. Armin's hesitation makes him human, but when it's time to act, he's reliable. Floch tries to be what he thinks Erwin was, but he fails miserably because he didn't know the real Erwin and he's mentally unstable to lead. Jean and Armin are the ones who are carrying Erwin's legacy. Floch is nothing but an ant that nobody would remember in the show, unlike Erwin whose memory is the drive for Hange, Levi and Armin to keep pushing forward. erwin never knew there are human on the other side and now they are the enemy, he's literally dead bruh. his character basically only want prove his dad wrong (to justify giving armin the serum which is a main chara plot armor) and willing to do everything to defeat enemy with level headed decision. floch is true successor of erwin and anybody who disagree is coping and seething. saying erwin would not agree to eren plan is only a headcanon and dumb shit hacksayama write from hange with her bullshit claim. levi character is dead since s3p2, he's just a dog to erwin, the same as mikasa a dog to eren. his only purpose is being fan favorite and milking fujoshit. |
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| I don't like him or hate him I'm neutral I understand his loyalty to his country. Ofc I don't agree with the plan of Eren for genocide. Everything is really conflicting for me because I understand both sides, but I do choose the side of Armin. For me Armin is the best character he definatly represents me between being against genocide but also in conflict in killing his teamates and his friend Eren. :( |
evoniee said: Are you a child? Bc no way someone older than 5 year old would call alliance aka scouts cringevengers XDXDZxtsukii said: I like him as a character and dislike him as a person as he stands exactly opposite of everything AoT stands for lol ah yes... aot is about romance and not chasing for freedom, keep moving forward, and dedicate your heart. the cringevengers is better written than floch |
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| I don't like him, but that's mainly because of how annoying his english va sounds to me. |
Zxtsukii said: evoniee said: Are you a child? Bc no way someone older than 5 year old would call alliance aka scouts cringevengers XDXDah yes... aot is about romance and not chasing for freedom, keep moving forward, and dedicate your heart. the cringevengers is better written than floch still better than thoughtless fanboy defending dogshit writing which is more childlike behavior. cope and seethe, cringevengers and path + fumbling arc are dogshit written. it's literally the worst point of this franchise and thoughtless fanboy like you praising it. |
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evoniee said: Average Titanfolker behaviourZxtsukii said: Are you a child? Bc no way someone older than 5 year old would call alliance aka scouts cringevengers XDXD still better than thoughtless fanboy defending dogshit writing which is more childlike behavior. cope and seethe, cringevengers and path + fumbling arc are dogshit written. it's literally the worst point of this franchise and thoughtless fanboy like you praising it. |
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