Steins;Gate Episode 24 Discussion

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3zero said:

SciADV_Maniac said:

There are no time loops in Steins;Gate. It is an iteration of worldlines. What we hear in the beginning of the story is a previous Okabe who killed Kurisu. Kurisu is dead at the beginning, otherwise there is no need to save her at the end.

Also Mayuri gets the metal upa at the beginning which is an ultimate proof that the last worldline is different

But how do we know for sure that the scream okabe hears in episode one is definitively because THAT okabe killed kurisu and not because he was faking kurisu's death?

What makes me think there is a loop happening is when okabe and suzu stay behind for a second and okabe thinks "good luck, you're about to experience the most painful and important three+ weeks of your life."

If you're right and no loops exist, wouldn't it make the scene I described irrelevant? Imo, that scene/okabe' thought means that past okabe in episode 24 is about to experience everything we watched cause theoretically, he should accidentally send a dmail thinking kurisu died, so on and so forth, aka creating a loop.

The metal upa is enough proof that this isn't the same Okabe.
1st episode = metal upa
Last episode = plastic upa

Any kind of time travel creates a new worldline, which means time loops are impossible to exist in Steins;Gate

The Okabe who will experience those 3 weeks again is also another Okabe, not our Okabe

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Apr 6, 2021 2:14 AM

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SciADV_Maniac said:

3zero said:

But how do we know for sure that the scream okabe hears in episode one is definitively because THAT okabe killed kurisu and not because he was faking kurisu's death?

What makes me think there is a loop happening is when okabe and suzu stay behind for a second and okabe thinks "good luck, you're about to experience the most painful and important three+ weeks of your life."

If you're right and no loops exist, wouldn't it make the scene I described irrelevant? Imo, that scene/okabe' thought means that past okabe in episode 24 is about to experience everything we watched cause theoretically, he should accidentally send a dmail thinking kurisu died, so on and so forth, aka creating a loop.

The metal upa is enough proof that this isn't the same Okabe.
1st episode = metal upa
Last episode = plastic upa

Any kind of time travel creates a new worldline, which means time loops are impossible to exist in Steins;Gate

The Okabe who will experience those 3 weeks again is also another Okabe, not our Okabe

Does THAT past okabe who's about to experience those 3 weeks not imply there's a pseudo loop? I get that subtle differences explain different world lines existing but if THAT past okabe goes through a mostly the same journey as our okabe, wouldn't that mean he'll have to go back in time to also fake kurisu's death and then see another past version of himself think kurisu died, which would mean he will eventually create a new world line when he reaches the end of the journey?

Apr 6, 2021 2:18 AM

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3zero said:

SciADV_Maniac said:

3zero said:

SciADV_Maniac said:

3zero said:
Just finished rewatching for the first time. Watched this a few years ago and the only question I'm left with is...when okabe undid the first dmail and went back to the beta world line, do we know if kuriisssstiiinaa actually died in that original beta world line (aka episode one)?

What made okabe check out the room kurisu "died" in in episode one was his future self's scream, doesn't this mean that everything we watched throughout the series had already happened to the future okabe who's scream we heard in episode one? Doesn't this mean the okabe we've been watching just set the stage for past okabe to experience hell for 3 weeks only for that past okabe to have to undo the first dmail and fake kurisu's death and then cause another past okabe to experience the same thing, creating an infinite loop?

If everything we've seen throughout the series has actually already happened once before to future okabe who's scream caused present okabe to see "dead" kurisu, doesn't that mean kurisu never actually died in that conference building?

There are no time loops in Steins;Gate. It is an iteration of worldlines. What we hear in the beginning of the story is a previous Okabe who killed Kurisu. Kurisu is dead at the beginning, otherwise there is no need to save her at the end.

Also Mayuri gets the metal upa at the beginning which is an ultimate proof that the last worldline is different

But how do we know for sure that the scream okabe hears in episode one is definitively because THAT okabe killed kurisu and not because he was faking kurisu's death?

What makes me think there is a loop happening is when okabe and suzu stay behind for a second and okabe thinks "good luck, you're about to experience the most painful and important three+ weeks of your life."

If you're right and no loops exist, wouldn't it make the scene I described irrelevant? Imo, that scene/okabe' thought means that past okabe in episode 24 is about to experience everything we watched cause theoretically, he should accidentally send a dmail thinking kurisu died, so on and so forth, aka creating a loop.

The metal upa is enough proof that this isn't the same Okabe.
1st episode = metal upa
Last episode = plastic upa

Any kind of time travel creates a new worldline, which means time loops are impossible to exist in Steins;Gate

The Okabe who will experience those 3 weeks again is also another Okabe, not our Okabe

Does THAT past okabe who's about to experience those 3 weeks not imply there's a pseudo loop? I get that subtle differences explain different world lines existing but if THAT past okabe goes through a mostly the same journey as our okabe, wouldn't that mean he'll have to go back in time to also fake kurisu's death and then see another past version of himself think kurisu died, which would mean he will eventually create a new world line when he reaches the end of the journey?

No, no new worldlines will created, that Okabe will be "erased" technically

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Apr 6, 2021 2:21 AM

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SciADV_Maniac said:

3zero said:

SciADV_Maniac said:

3zero said:

SciADV_Maniac said:

3zero said:
Just finished rewatching for the first time. Watched this a few years ago and the only question I'm left with is...when okabe undid the first dmail and went back to the beta world line, do we know if kuriisssstiiinaa actually died in that original beta world line (aka episode one)?

What made okabe check out the room kurisu "died" in in episode one was his future self's scream, doesn't this mean that everything we watched throughout the series had already happened to the future okabe who's scream we heard in episode one? Doesn't this mean the okabe we've been watching just set the stage for past okabe to experience hell for 3 weeks only for that past okabe to have to undo the first dmail and fake kurisu's death and then cause another past okabe to experience the same thing, creating an infinite loop?

If everything we've seen throughout the series has actually already happened once before to future okabe who's scream caused present okabe to see "dead" kurisu, doesn't that mean kurisu never actually died in that conference building?

There are no time loops in Steins;Gate. It is an iteration of worldlines. What we hear in the beginning of the story is a previous Okabe who killed Kurisu. Kurisu is dead at the beginning, otherwise there is no need to save her at the end.

Also Mayuri gets the metal upa at the beginning which is an ultimate proof that the last worldline is different

But how do we know for sure that the scream okabe hears in episode one is definitively because THAT okabe killed kurisu and not because he was faking kurisu's death?

What makes me think there is a loop happening is when okabe and suzu stay behind for a second and okabe thinks "good luck, you're about to experience the most painful and important three+ weeks of your life."

If you're right and no loops exist, wouldn't it make the scene I described irrelevant? Imo, that scene/okabe' thought means that past okabe in episode 24 is about to experience everything we watched cause theoretically, he should accidentally send a dmail thinking kurisu died, so on and so forth, aka creating a loop.

The metal upa is enough proof that this isn't the same Okabe.
1st episode = metal upa
Last episode = plastic upa

Any kind of time travel creates a new worldline, which means time loops are impossible to exist in Steins;Gate

The Okabe who will experience those 3 weeks again is also another Okabe, not our Okabe

Does THAT past okabe who's about to experience those 3 weeks not imply there's a pseudo loop? I get that subtle differences explain different world lines existing but if THAT past okabe goes through a mostly the same journey as our okabe, wouldn't that mean he'll have to go back in time to also fake kurisu's death and then see another past version of himself think kurisu died, which would mean he will eventually create a new world line when he reaches the end of the journey?

No, no new worldlines will created, that Okabe will be "erased" technically

Thanks for all the replies and that makes sense but with that being the case, it makes the scene with our okabe wishing past okabe good luck at the end kinda irrelevant. Or am I missing something?

Apr 6, 2021 2:35 AM

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3zero said:

SciADV_Maniac said:

3zero said:

SciADV_Maniac said:

3zero said:

SciADV_Maniac said:

3zero said:
Just finished rewatching for the first time. Watched this a few years ago and the only question I'm left with is...when okabe undid the first dmail and went back to the beta world line, do we know if kuriisssstiiinaa actually died in that original beta world line (aka episode one)?

What made okabe check out the room kurisu "died" in in episode one was his future self's scream, doesn't this mean that everything we watched throughout the series had already happened to the future okabe who's scream we heard in episode one? Doesn't this mean the okabe we've been watching just set the stage for past okabe to experience hell for 3 weeks only for that past okabe to have to undo the first dmail and fake kurisu's death and then cause another past okabe to experience the same thing, creating an infinite loop?

If everything we've seen throughout the series has actually already happened once before to future okabe who's scream caused present okabe to see "dead" kurisu, doesn't that mean kurisu never actually died in that conference building?

There are no time loops in Steins;Gate. It is an iteration of worldlines. What we hear in the beginning of the story is a previous Okabe who killed Kurisu. Kurisu is dead at the beginning, otherwise there is no need to save her at the end.

Also Mayuri gets the metal upa at the beginning which is an ultimate proof that the last worldline is different

But how do we know for sure that the scream okabe hears in episode one is definitively because THAT okabe killed kurisu and not because he was faking kurisu's death?

What makes me think there is a loop happening is when okabe and suzu stay behind for a second and okabe thinks "good luck, you're about to experience the most painful and important three+ weeks of your life."

If you're right and no loops exist, wouldn't it make the scene I described irrelevant? Imo, that scene/okabe' thought means that past okabe in episode 24 is about to experience everything we watched cause theoretically, he should accidentally send a dmail thinking kurisu died, so on and so forth, aka creating a loop.

The metal upa is enough proof that this isn't the same Okabe.
1st episode = metal upa
Last episode = plastic upa

Any kind of time travel creates a new worldline, which means time loops are impossible to exist in Steins;Gate

The Okabe who will experience those 3 weeks again is also another Okabe, not our Okabe

Does THAT past okabe who's about to experience those 3 weeks not imply there's a pseudo loop? I get that subtle differences explain different world lines existing but if THAT past okabe goes through a mostly the same journey as our okabe, wouldn't that mean he'll have to go back in time to also fake kurisu's death and then see another past version of himself think kurisu died, which would mean he will eventually create a new world line when he reaches the end of the journey?

No, no new worldlines will created, that Okabe will be "erased" technically

Thanks for all the replies and that makes sense but with that being the case, it makes the scene with our okabe wishing past okabe good luck at the end kinda irrelevant. Or am I missing something?

I wrote this chronology for the true ending of the VN, check it out:

Worldline 1:
- August 17th: Okabe_1 arrives here from Alpha after deleting the first D-Mail
- August 21st: Suzuha arrives from a previous worldline (from MWC worldline of Steins;Gate 0)
- August 21st, 17:55: Okabe_1 and Suzuha goes back to save Kurisu - > Worldline 2

Worldline 2:
- July 28th: Okabe_1 arrives, then fails to save Kurisu, he goes back to the future - > Worldline 3

Worldline 3:
- July 28th: Okabe_1 arrives, then fails to save Kurisu, he goes back to the future
- Okabe_2 see a dead Kurisu in a pool of blood, sends a D-Mail. This doesn't change anything, because this happened during this WL wasn't active (ghost future)
- Nakabachi steals the papers and flees.
- August 17th: Okabe_1 arrives here from Alpha after deleting the first D-Mail
- August 21st: Suzuha arrives from a previous worldline (from MWC worldline of Steins;Gate 0)
- August 21st, 17:55: Okabe_1 and Suzuha goes back to save Kurisu. This doesn't change anything, because this happened during this WL wasn't active (ghost future)
- August 21st, 17:56: Okabe_1 and Suzuha arrives back from the failed attempt. Okabe_1 watch the video
- August 21st, 19:00: Okabe_1 and Sizuha goes back again to save Kurisu - > Worldline 4

Worldline 4:
- July 28th: Okabe_1 arrives, know with the knowledge of Operation Skuld. He picks the metal Upa, saves Kurisu, the goes back to the future - > Worldline 5

Worldline 5:
- July 28th: Okabe_1 arrives, know with the knowledge of Operation Skuld. He picks the metal Upa, saves Kurisu, the goes back to the future
- Okabe_2 see an alive Kurisu in a pool of blood, sends a D-Mail. This doesn't change anything, because this happened during this WL wasn't active (ghost future)
- Nakabachi steals the papers and flees.
- August 17th: Okabe_1 arrives here from Alpha after deleting the first D-Mail. As he knows, Kurisu is dead. (thus, this overwrites "Okabe_2")
- August 21st: Suzuha arrives from a previous worldline (from MWC worldline of Steins;Gate 0). As she knows, Kurisu is dead.
- August 21st, 17:55: Okabe_1 and Suzuha goes back to save Kurisu. This doesn't change anything, because this happened during this WL wasn't active (ghost future)
- August 21st, 17:56: The wounded Okabe_1 and Suzuha arrives back from the successful attempt. The papers burn between 17:55 and 18:00 (when the other Okabe_1 and Suzuha would arrive back). In the moment the papers burn, the worldline changes to Steins Gate, Suzuha disappears - > Steins Gate Worldline

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May 22, 2021 7:50 PM

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SciADV_Maniac said:

3zero said:

SciADV_Maniac said:

3zero said:

SciADV_Maniac said:

3zero said:
Just finished rewatching for the first time. Watched this a few years ago and the only question I'm left with is...when okabe undid the first dmail and went back to the beta world line, do we know if kuriisssstiiinaa actually died in that original beta world line (aka episode one)?

What made okabe check out the room kurisu "died" in in episode one was his future self's scream, doesn't this mean that everything we watched throughout the series had already happened to the future okabe who's scream we heard in episode one? Doesn't this mean the okabe we've been watching just set the stage for past okabe to experience hell for 3 weeks only for that past okabe to have to undo the first dmail and fake kurisu's death and then cause another past okabe to experience the same thing, creating an infinite loop?

If everything we've seen throughout the series has actually already happened once before to future okabe who's scream caused present okabe to see "dead" kurisu, doesn't that mean kurisu never actually died in that conference building?

There are no time loops in Steins;Gate. It is an iteration of worldlines. What we hear in the beginning of the story is a previous Okabe who killed Kurisu. Kurisu is dead at the beginning, otherwise there is no need to save her at the end.

Also Mayuri gets the metal upa at the beginning which is an ultimate proof that the last worldline is different

But how do we know for sure that the scream okabe hears in episode one is definitively because THAT okabe killed kurisu and not because he was faking kurisu's death?

What makes me think there is a loop happening is when okabe and suzu stay behind for a second and okabe thinks "good luck, you're about to experience the most painful and important three+ weeks of your life."

If you're right and no loops exist, wouldn't it make the scene I described irrelevant? Imo, that scene/okabe' thought means that past okabe in episode 24 is about to experience everything we watched cause theoretically, he should accidentally send a dmail thinking kurisu died, so on and so forth, aka creating a loop.

The metal upa is enough proof that this isn't the same Okabe.
1st episode = metal upa
Last episode = plastic upa

Any kind of time travel creates a new worldline, which means time loops are impossible to exist in Steins;Gate

The Okabe who will experience those 3 weeks again is also another Okabe, not our Okabe

Does THAT past okabe who's about to experience those 3 weeks not imply there's a pseudo loop? I get that subtle differences explain different world lines existing but if THAT past okabe goes through a mostly the same journey as our okabe, wouldn't that mean he'll have to go back in time to also fake kurisu's death and then see another past version of himself think kurisu died, which would mean he will eventually create a new world line when he reaches the end of the journey?

No, no new worldlines will created, that Okabe will be "erased" technically

Not Op, but I don't understand this.

So, Okabe went back using time machine and did NOT change the past, so he is in the same universe. What about the new Okabe? Is the "new" Okabe just literally himself as he experienced, so there were two okabes only for 20 minutes in that world, or so?

My latest review: Boku dake ga Inai Machi (ERASED)

Jun 17, 2021 11:26 AM

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My 52nd completed (only the first season) series chronologically.

For the record, I extended it a 7/10 rating.

WatchTillTandavaJun 17, 2021 11:40 AM

Jun 29, 2021 8:39 PM

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Damn Okarin, taking a knife to the gut and then opening the wound even more just to feign Kurisu's murder. This guy's admirable.

So yeah. I guess that's it. I was unsure of this series at the start, but rest assured it was worth it. 10/10. Not many anime can draw out emotions like that. Especially anime with a seemingly harem cast. (Still don't know why they chose for the cast to be predominantly female but it ended up working out fittingly.)

And this ending was about as happy as it could possibly get.

I almost wish I could watch this series over for the first time, again.

Jun 29, 2021 9:26 PM

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AlexanderHD said:
Damn Okarin, taking a knife to the gut and then opening the wound even more just to feign Kurisu's murder. This guy's admirable.

So yeah. I guess that's it. I was unsure of this series at the start, but rest assured it was worth it. 10/10. Not many anime can draw out emotions like that. Especially anime with a seemingly harem cast. (Still don't know why they chose for the cast to be predominantly female but it ended up working out fittingly.)

And this ending was about as happy as it could possibly get.

I almost wish I could watch this series over for the first time, again.

Yeah pretty awesome anime overall, I wish I could watch this for the first time as well.

I do have a complaint about this episode though, I disliked the part with the fake blood, I mean, how can you go to do the most important mission of your life without checking your tools first? everything depends on this mission which include saving your waifu and saving the freaking world so how the hell don't you check your tools? Okabe needed to open up the sword to verify that the fake blood was in perfect condition but he didn't do it, this was of course dumb and I disliked it, that's like going to war without checking if your gun has bullets in it, this is obviously dumb and I wished the part with the fake blood was better than this.

Yeah not everything is perfect in Steins;Gate but even with these issues Steins;Gate still managed to get #1 for me and I don't think I will ever see an anime that will surpass this.

Jun 30, 2021 12:20 PM

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I do have a complaint about this episode though, I disliked the part with the fake blood, I mean, how can you go to do the most important mission of your life without checking your tools first? everything depends on this mission which include saving your waifu and saving the freaking world so how the hell don't you check your tools? Okabe needed to open up the sword to verify that the fake blood was in perfect condition but he didn't do it, this was of course dumb and I disliked it, that's like going to war without checking if your gun has bullets in it, this is obviously dumb and I wished the part with the fake blood was better than this.

Hehe, valid complaint. I certainly wasn't surprised when his gadget didn't work and the blood had dried. It was probably sitting on his shelf unused for a while.
Even when he first pulled it out at the apartment, I was WAITING for him to test it. When he was still in his apartment holding it, I got an uncanny feeling the longer he went without testing it.
It was a bit careless of Okarin for this to not even cross his mind.

Not to mention, he could've brought a backup too... I don't know, run out to the convenience store and by some ketchup or something lol.

Buuut, if it HAD worked in that moment, we wouldn't have gotten the noble scene of him taking the knife to the gut.

Surely there's a compromise to be made... a way for Okarin to verify that the fake blood was in perfect condition (which would've been more realistic considering the high stakes)... BUT perhaps another way for things to backfire.

Very good observation, though. Not a flaw that dawned on me much but the more I think about it, the more I can understand why this is an issue.

Jul 1, 2021 4:31 PM

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A fantastic, amazing and emotional ride that it has been.
Steins;Gate, third ranked in the anime rankinglist. I FINALLY COMPLETED IT!
I, THE MAD SCIENTIST! One of my favorite lines in anime for now.

He succeeded in saving Kurisu, burned the document and went back to the future.
Everything is solved! He meets Kurisu. Ends up acting as his old self and invites her to the lab. YES! PERFECT ENDING!

This was such an emotional and fun ride. I never thought Steins;Gate would make me laugh so much. The voiceactors were brilliant. OST was scary but good. Animation was good, PLOT WAS SUGOI. And the rest, perfect.

Daru, Suzahu, Ruka, Mayurii, Okabe and the rest.. GOODBYE!

“You yourself have to change first, or nothing will change for you!”

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Jul 4, 2021 2:48 AM

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This was a great anime, fun and depressing at times

I like Okabe the most

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Jul 12, 2021 5:21 PM

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I'm really at a lose for words on how masterfully executed this show was from start to finish. Each emotion felt as if it was purposely crafted to convey them as they should be, not one moment misinterpreted or lacking in quality.

This is probably the easiest 10 I've given to the point I'm borderline reconsidering ratings on my other 10's, really grateful to experience such an amazing anime.

Celest__Jul 12, 2021 5:28 PM

Jul 14, 2021 7:52 PM

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6/10 was the rating that I gave this the first time I watched Steins gate 9 months ago. That hurts to say, because what was once a 6/10 is now my favorite anime of all time. I laughed, I cried, I felt every emotion during this watch. I had so many thoughts after finishing but honestly I wouldn't be able to write them down in any coherent way. All I know is that this was something special. El. Psy. Congroo.
10/10

Jul 14, 2021 11:04 PM

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So, preventing Makise's death and taking away the metal Upa caused the divergence meter to go beyond 1%, resulting in Okabe's moving into a new world line called the Steins Gate world line, where both Makise and Mayuri are alive, but Makise has never met Okabe.

A well thought out plot, I must say. Apart from that, the show has some generic characters such as a tsundere, a childish girl, a girl who barely speaks and an overweight computer nerd. But what matters is utilising these characters to weave a unique story. And this show does succeed on that front.

By the way, I have a few questions (again):
1. Why (and how) did the mail that Okabe received in the first episode become readable only after he fails in his first time travel?
2. The Okabe who chalked out the operation Skuld was from 2025. But the Suzuha who helped carry it out was from 2036. Is it that the 2025-Okabe waited for Suzuha to turn 19 before she helps the "present" Okabe in his time travel?

goodguygregJul 15, 2021 5:21 AM

Jul 15, 2021 9:58 AM

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goodguygreg said:

So, preventing Makise's death and taking away the metal Upa caused the divergence meter to go beyond 1%

I think you confused something here. The divergence went beyond 1% already in Episode 22, after he deleted the data from Echelon. Reaching Steins Gate turned the divergence to 1.048596% (Steins Gate WL div number)

goodguygreg said:

Why (and how) did the mail that Okabe received in the first episode become readable only after he fails in his first time travel?

Very simple: it was encrypted to automatically unlock by Aug 21st, 17:56

goodguygreg said:

The Okabe who chalked out the operation Skuld was from 2025. But the Suzuha who helped carry it out was from 2036. Is it that the 2025-Okabe waited for Suzuha to turn 19 before she helps the "present" Okabe in his time travel?

Watch Steins;Gate 0, since that is the series which is about that Okabe. But keep in mind the Steins;Gate 0 anime wasn't the adaptation of Steins;Gate 0 VN because of its weird route structure, but it is basically a sequel to 0 VN (but still can be enjoyed standalone too). So you won't get answers to all of your questions just by watching 0 anime. But you will get the answer for that specific question you asked here.

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Jul 15, 2021 1:54 PM

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SciADV_Maniac said:

I think you confused something here. The divergence went beyond 1% already in Episode 22, after he deleted the data from Echelon. Reaching Steins Gate turned the divergence to 1.048596% (Steins Gate WL div number)

Yeah, I got that. Deleting the message from SERN's database caused the shift back to the Beta world line. It was the Steins; Gate world line that was achieved in the last episode.

SciADV_Maniac said:

Very simple: it was encrypted to automatically unlock by Aug 21st, 17:56

Thought as much.

SciADV_Maniac said:

Watch Steins;Gate 0, since that is the series which is about that Okabe. But keep in mind the Steins;Gate 0 anime wasn't the adaptation of Steins;Gate 0 VN because of its weird route structure, but it is basically a sequel to 0 VN (but still can be enjoyed standalone too). So you won't get answers to all of your questions just by watching 0 anime. But you will get the answer for that specific question you asked here.

Okay, that answers my question.

And while you're at it, could you please confirm whether the events that happened over three weeks in the Beta world line (including Okabe saving Makise) happened in the Steins; Gate line too? I think they didn't, because nobody remembered anything about the time leap or time travel stuff.

goodguygregJul 15, 2021 2:10 PM

Jul 23, 2021 5:56 PM

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great way to end the show overall.

Jul 23, 2021 11:59 PM

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goodguygreg said:

SciADV_Maniac said:

I think you confused something here. The divergence went beyond 1% already in Episode 22, after he deleted the data from Echelon. Reaching Steins Gate turned the divergence to 1.048596% (Steins Gate WL div number)

Yeah, I got that. Deleting the message from SERN's database caused the shift back to the Beta world line. It was the Steins; Gate world line that was achieved in the last episode.

SciADV_Maniac said:

Very simple: it was encrypted to automatically unlock by Aug 21st, 17:56

Thought as much.

SciADV_Maniac said:

Watch Steins;Gate 0, since that is the series which is about that Okabe. But keep in mind the Steins;Gate 0 anime wasn't the adaptation of Steins;Gate 0 VN because of its weird route structure, but it is basically a sequel to 0 VN (but still can be enjoyed standalone too). So you won't get answers to all of your questions just by watching 0 anime. But you will get the answer for that specific question you asked here.

Okay, that answers my question.

And while you're at it, could you please confirm whether the events that happened over three weeks in the Beta world line (including Okabe saving Makise) happened in the Steins; Gate line too? I think they didn't, because nobody remembered anything about the time leap or time travel stuff.

Sorry for answering this late.

Of course it happened in the Steins Gate worldline too. Kurisu is searching for Okabe because he saved her.

Not sure what are you asking about regarding the 3 weeks. That thing happened throughout the Alpha worldlines.

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Jul 24, 2021 10:40 AM

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SciADV_Maniac said:
Of course it happened in the Steins Gate worldline too. Kurisu is searching for Okabe because he saved her.

Not sure what are you asking about regarding the 3 weeks. That thing happened throughout the Alpha worldlines.

I see. So let me just conclude it:
The Okabe in the Steins; Gate line (I'll call him "SG Okabe") attends Nakabachi's conference too. But, having the memories from other World lines, he is there to save Makise. Knowing that this timeline is the one where she doesn't die, the time machine is never made and how the attractor fields work, I believe what happened in the last episode in the Beta world line happens in this Steins; Gate line too, perhaps with some insignificant variations. Broadly, Okabe prevents the metal Upa from falling into Nakabachi's possession and gets stabbed by him. Makise falls unconscious (maybe because SG Okabe Tazered him to make sure that there isn't any big shift in the divergence meter again) and her paper gets burnt in the airplane mishap. (Of course, since there can be only one Okabe in this timeline, there's no chance of any other Okabe mistaking her for a dead girl and sending the D-Mail).

And as we saw at the end, she comes across him on a street and thanks him for saving him that day. Any other memory of his in her mind is fuzzy and corresponds to the time spent with him in other timelines.

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No problem at all! In fact, I really appreciate that you responded. Reply if and when it suits you. :-D

Jul 28, 2021 1:11 PM

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I see. So let me just conclude it:
The Okabe in the Steins; Gate line (I'll call him "SG Okabe") attends Nakabachi's conference too. But, having the memories from other World lines, he is there to save Makise. Knowing that this timeline is the one where she doesn't die, the time machine is never made and how the attractor fields work, I believe what happened in the last episode in the Beta world line happens in this Steins; Gate line too, perhaps with some insignificant variations. Broadly, Okabe prevents the metal Upa from falling into Nakabachi's possession and gets stabbed by him. Makise falls unconscious (maybe because SG Okabe Tazered him to make sure that there isn't any big shift in the divergence meter again) and her paper gets burnt in the airplane mishap. (Of course, since there can be only one Okabe in this timeline, there's no chance of any other Okabe mistaking her for a dead girl and sending the D-Mail).

And as we saw at the end, she comes across him on a street and thanks him for saving him that day. Any other memory of his in her mind is fuzzy and corresponds to the time spent with him in other timelines.

No, this isn't how it goes.

The Okabe who saves Makise is "our" Okabe, whom we followed from the start. The Steins Gate worldline Okabe is the one who is being deceived.

The Steins Gate worldline splits off from the last Beta worldline on Aug 21st. Everything before Aug 21st is the same in Steins Gate and in Beta.

And I guess now you have a question: what happens to the Okabe who was deceived. Well, there is no legit answer to that question, only theories. The best one is that she was taken away by Suzuha, just like any previous Okabe's, to save Kurisu (even if she was already saved, there is no way that they know).

I suggest to read this post explaining the different explanations to the ending... unfortunately, S;G's ending isn't explained correctly and seems a bit inconsistent. And the more I think about the ending, the more problems I find.

@goodguygreg I forgot to paste the link: https://www.reddit.com/r/steinsgate/comments/icxf1j/explaining_the_ending_of_steinsgate_a_definitive/

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Jul 29, 2021 1:51 PM

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Fantastic final episode, it was awesome watching this show for the second time, it is solidly one of my favorite anime. Also that last shot between Okabe and Kurisu was epic, the choice of Steins;Gate, El Psy Kongroo.

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Aug 2, 2021 11:04 AM

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As per what the 33 old Okabe said, the current okabe made sure that the past okabe thinks that Makise is dead right and also says that the next 3 weeks would be important for him. So is it a time loop? I understand it would be a different WL but the things happen in the way that happened to current okabe?

Aug 2, 2021 12:25 PM

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_unreal_ said:
As per what the 33 old Okabe said, the current okabe made sure that the past okabe thinks that Makise is dead right and also says that the next 3 weeks would be important for him. So is it a time loop? I understand it would be a different WL but the things happen in the way that happened to current okabe?

Read this: https://www.reddit.com/r/steinsgate/comments/icxf1j/explaining_the_ending_of_steinsgate_a_definitive/

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SciADV_Maniac said:

_unreal_ said:
As per what the 33 old Okabe said, the current okabe made sure that the past okabe thinks that Makise is dead right and also says that the next 3 weeks would be important for him. So is it a time loop? I understand it would be a different WL but the things happen in the way that happened to current okabe?

Read this: https://www.reddit.com/r/steinsgate/comments/icxf1j/explaining_the_ending_of_steinsgate_a_definitive/

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thanks it was helpful

Aug 19, 2021 7:43 PM

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fire ass anime 10/10

Oct 13, 2021 8:10 PM

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Everything worked out in the end because this was the choice of Steins Gate

Oct 15, 2021 12:53 PM

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This is the first anime from which I received so many emotions. This will be the first anime that my children and grandchildren will see (I am 19 years old :)). I have a habit of creating tops of my favorite anime, Stein's Gate took 1st place for another 12 episodes of season 1. I can say with confidence that even at the age of 50, opening the phone with the top of my favorite anime is Stein's Gate and in 50 years it will be my favorite anime forever. Although I've watched a lot of anime before, I only watched it myself in 2021. And I can easily call that Stein's Gate is an anime of my life, this is an anime that I will always remember...

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Oct 27, 2021 4:11 PM

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I can't stop thinking about this episode. When Okabe impales himself to cause the blood rush.... that was just powerful. What he would do to save the one he loves.... Honestly it brings a tear to my eye. It was this episode that shot Okabe into my favorites list and he is the reason I am watching this series again for the 4th time in the last 3 weeks. He is an amazingly well written character.

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SciADV_Maniac said:

goodguygreg said:

I see. So let me just conclude it:
The Okabe in the Steins; Gate line (I'll call him "SG Okabe") attends Nakabachi's conference too. But, having the memories from other World lines, he is there to save Makise. Knowing that this timeline is the one where she doesn't die, the time machine is never made and how the attractor fields work, I believe what happened in the last episode in the Beta world line happens in this Steins; Gate line too, perhaps with some insignificant variations. Broadly, Okabe prevents the metal Upa from falling into Nakabachi's possession and gets stabbed by him. Makise falls unconscious (maybe because SG Okabe Tazered him to make sure that there isn't any big shift in the divergence meter again) and her paper gets burnt in the airplane mishap. (Of course, since there can be only one Okabe in this timeline, there's no chance of any other Okabe mistaking her for a dead girl and sending the D-Mail).

And as we saw at the end, she comes across him on a street and thanks him for saving him that day. Any other memory of his in her mind is fuzzy and corresponds to the time spent with him in other timelines.

No, this isn't how it goes.

The Okabe who saves Makise is "our" Okabe, whom we followed from the start. The Steins Gate worldline Okabe is the one who is being deceived.

The Steins Gate worldline splits off from the last Beta worldline on Aug 21st. Everything before Aug 21st is the same in Steins Gate and in Beta.

And I guess now you have a question: what happens to the Okabe who was deceived. Well, there is no legit answer to that question, only theories. The best one is that she was taken away by Suzuha, just like any previous Okabe's, to save Kurisu (even if she was already saved, there is no way that they know).

I suggest to read this post explaining the different explanations to the ending... unfortunately, S;G's ending isn't explained correctly and seems a bit inconsistent. And the more I think about the ending, the more problems I find.

@goodguygreg I forgot to paste the link: https://www.reddit.com/r/steinsgate/comments/icxf1j/explaining_the_ending_of_steinsgate_a_definitive/

First off, sorry for replying SO DAMN LATE! Was busy with exams and other stuff. But I read your post and did some quick research on my own. Turns out I was the missing the crucial point that no two timelines can be active together.
Thanks for your help again. Now, I can appreciate this anime more. :-)

Nov 9, 2021 6:30 AM

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I know that Suzuha disappearing at the end is a plot hole in this anime but I've read a comment in Youtube that seems like a valid excuse as well on her disappearance. The excuse was that Reading Steiner got activated, the worldline changed, Okabe collapsed and he was sent to the hospital (exactly like what happened with Okabe and Fubuki in Steins;Gate 0), since the worldline changed to the Steins;Gate worldline Suzuha was not there anymore.

In other words, the reason Okabe was in the hospital wasn't because of the stab wound, he was in the hospital because he simply collapsed when the worldline changed, we all know that Reading Steiner activates when there's a big change in the world and the Steins;Gate worldline is a big change so it kind of makes sense that it activated at the end and thus, Suzuha disappearing seems reasonable if I think of it like this.

I don't remember if the VN mentioned anything regarding the stab wound when Okabe was in the hospital in the end, if he was actually in the hospital because of the stab wound then this theory fails.

What do you guys think about this theory?

Edit: Fixed a typo.

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Nov 9, 2021 7:37 AM

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Ah, the good old "Reading Steiner theory" :)

Unfortunately, the VN contradicts this, multiple times:
- it explicitely mentions that Reading Steiner didn't activate (at least, Okabe tells that it didn't)
- The VN has more details about his time in the hospital, that he underwent a surgery immediately when he was hospitalized. The doctor even said he would've died from the blood loss if they are late with 1 hours. Then he spent an entire month in hospital because he couldn't wake up from the bed after the surgery.

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Nov 9, 2021 7:45 AM

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SciADV_Maniac said:
@xZabuzax

Ah, the good old "Reading Steiner theory" :)

Unfortunately, the VN contradicts this, multiple times:
- it explicitely mentions that Reading Steiner didn't activate (at least, Okabe tells that it didn't)
- The VN has more details about his time in the hospital, that he underwent a surgery immediately when he was hospitalized. The doctor even said he would've died from the blood loss if they are late with 1 hours. Then he spent an entire month in hospital because he couldn't wake up from the bed after the surgery.

Oh yeah, it seems that I forgot about this part in the VN, if Okabe said that Reading Steiner didn't got activated then this Reading Steiner theory fails.

Nov 9, 2021 7:59 AM

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xZabuzax said:

SciADV_Maniac said:
@xZabuzax

Ah, the good old "Reading Steiner theory" :)

Unfortunately, the VN contradicts this, multiple times:
- it explicitely mentions that Reading Steiner didn't activate (at least, Okabe tells that it didn't)
- The VN has more details about his time in the hospital, that he underwent a surgery immediately when he was hospitalized. The doctor even said he would've died from the blood loss if they are late with 1 hours. Then he spent an entire month in hospital because he couldn't wake up from the bed after the surgery.

Oh yeah, it seems that I forgot about this part in the VN, if Okabe said that Reading Steiner didn't got activated then this Reading Steiner theory fails.

Well it can be said that he doesn't remember correctly about the events because he his conscious was too fuzzy because of that serious wound...

And that RS did actiave, but then why was he in the hospital in a wound? He was stabbed in the Steins Gate worldline too by pure coincidence on Aug 21?

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Nov 9, 2021 8:14 AM

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SciADV_Maniac said:

xZabuzax said:

Oh yeah, it seems that I forgot about this part in the VN, if Okabe said that Reading Steiner didn't got activated then this Reading Steiner theory fails.

Well it can be said that he doesn't remember correctly about the events because he his conscious was too fuzzy because of that serious wound...

And that RS did actiave, but then why was he in the hospital in a wound? He was stabbed in the Steins Gate worldline too by pure coincidence on Aug 21?

Yeah, at this point we are going deeper in the "inventing excuses" territory so I rather not go here, I would be fine with the Reading Steiner's excuse theory if Okabe didn't mention anything about Reading Steiner not activating nor anything regarding blood loss because he did lose a lot of blood from the stab wound.

We could indeed say that maybe there was a previous Okabe in the Steins;Gate worldline that got stabbed for whatever reason and when the worldline changed he switched places with that Okabe and was sent to the hospital afterwards and since Okabe was not thinking properly at that moment because of blood loss he couldn't remember that the worldline changed but I don't want to go this far inventing these type of excuses so I guess this will remain as a plot hole for me.

This plot hole could have been avoided easily if the VN didn't mention anything about Reading Steiner not activating nor mentioning blood loss or anything like that.

Nov 9, 2021 8:31 AM

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xZabuzax said:

SciADV_Maniac said:

Well it can be said that he doesn't remember correctly about the events because he his conscious was too fuzzy because of that serious wound...

And that RS did actiave, but then why was he in the hospital in a wound? He was stabbed in the Steins Gate worldline too by pure coincidence on Aug 21?

Yeah, at this point we are going deeper in the "inventing excuses" territory so I rather not go here, I would be fine with the Reading Steiner's excuse theory if Okabe didn't mention anything about Reading Steiner not activating nor anything regarding blood loss because he did lose a lot of blood from the stab wound.

We could indeed say that maybe there was a previous Okabe in the Steins;Gate worldline that got stabbed for whatever reason and when the worldline changed he switched places with that Okabe and was sent to the hospital afterwards and since Okabe was not thinking properly at that moment because of blood loss he couldn't remember that the worldline changed but I don't want to go this far inventing these type of excuses so I guess this will remain as a plot hole for me.

This plot hole could have been avoided easily if the VN didn't mention anything about Reading Steiner not activating nor mentioning blood loss or anything like that.

Or Suzuha not disappearing :)

Btw, have you seen Dark? (the german time travel series on Netflix)

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Nov 9, 2021 10:02 AM

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SciADV_Maniac said:

xZabuzax said:

Yeah, at this point we are going deeper in the "inventing excuses" territory so I rather not go here, I would be fine with the Reading Steiner's excuse theory if Okabe didn't mention anything about Reading Steiner not activating nor anything regarding blood loss because he did lose a lot of blood from the stab wound.

We could indeed say that maybe there was a previous Okabe in the Steins;Gate worldline that got stabbed for whatever reason and when the worldline changed he switched places with that Okabe and was sent to the hospital afterwards and since Okabe was not thinking properly at that moment because of blood loss he couldn't remember that the worldline changed but I don't want to go this far inventing these type of excuses so I guess this will remain as a plot hole for me.

This plot hole could have been avoided easily if the VN didn't mention anything about Reading Steiner not activating nor mentioning blood loss or anything like that.

Or Suzuha not disappearing :)

Btw, have you seen Dark? (the german time travel series on Netflix)

Yeah, Suzuha not disappearing would also fix this Plot Hole. I guess an excuse can be made for the anime since the anime didn't mention anything about Okabe's Reading Steiner not activating nor Okabe being in the hospital because of the blood loss, I believe this is a bigger issue in the VN.

In the anime we can just say that Reading Steiner activated, the worldline changed and Okabe collapsed and was sent to the hospital afterwards just like what happened with Okabe and Fubuki in Steins;Gate 0 I guess...

Yeah, I did watched Dark a couple of months ago, it's a pretty good time traveling series as well. Of course Steins;Gate is better for me but I did enjoy Dark a lot too :)

My only complaint about Dark is that it was in German, I'm just not used in watching series or animes in other languages, I'm ok with Japanese because I got used to it but I've never watched something in German before.

Nov 9, 2021 10:20 AM

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xZabuzax said:

SciADV_Maniac said:

xZabuzax said:

SciADV_Maniac said:

xZabuzax said:

SciADV_Maniac said:
@xZabuzax

Ah, the good old "Reading Steiner theory" :)

Unfortunately, the VN contradicts this, multiple times:
- it explicitely mentions that Reading Steiner didn't activate (at least, Okabe tells that it didn't)
- The VN has more details about his time in the hospital, that he underwent a surgery immediately when he was hospitalized. The doctor even said he would've died from the blood loss if they are late with 1 hours. Then he spent an entire month in hospital because he couldn't wake up from the bed after the surgery.

Oh yeah, it seems that I forgot about this part in the VN, if Okabe said that Reading Steiner didn't got activated then this Reading Steiner theory fails.

Well it can be said that he doesn't remember correctly about the events because he his conscious was too fuzzy because of that serious wound...

And that RS did actiave, but then why was he in the hospital in a wound? He was stabbed in the Steins Gate worldline too by pure coincidence on Aug 21?

Yeah, at this point we are going deeper in the "inventing excuses" territory so I rather not go here, I would be fine with the Reading Steiner's excuse theory if Okabe didn't mention anything about Reading Steiner not activating nor anything regarding blood loss because he did lose a lot of blood from the stab wound.

We could indeed say that maybe there was a previous Okabe in the Steins;Gate worldline that got stabbed for whatever reason and when the worldline changed he switched places with that Okabe and was sent to the hospital afterwards and since Okabe was not thinking properly at that moment because of blood loss he couldn't remember that the worldline changed but I don't want to go this far inventing these type of excuses so I guess this will remain as a plot hole for me.

This plot hole could have been avoided easily if the VN didn't mention anything about Reading Steiner not activating nor mentioning blood loss or anything like that.

Or Suzuha not disappearing :)

Btw, have you seen Dark? (the german time travel series on Netflix)

Yeah, Suzuha not disappearing would also fix this Plot Hole. I guess an excuse can be made for the anime since the anime didn't mention anything about Okabe's Reading Steiner not activating nor Okabe being in the hospital because of the blood loss, I believe this is a bigger issue in the VN.

In the anime we can just say that Reading Steiner activated, the worldline changed and Okabe collapsed and was sent to the hospital afterwards just like what happened with Okabe and Fubuki in Steins;Gate 0 I guess...

Yeah, I did watched Dark a couple of months ago, it's a pretty good time traveling series as well. Of course Steins;Gate is better for me but I did enjoy Dark a lot too :)

My only complaint about Dark is that it was in German, I'm just not used in watching series or animes in other languages, I'm ok with Japanese because I got used to it but I've never watched something in German before.

Then why was Okabe in hospital for 1 entire month in the anime? Just because he collapsed?

Yeah, Dark is fantastic. The reason I brought up that series here is that (at least this is what I think)

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Nov 9, 2021 10:24 AM

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SciADV_Maniac said:

xZabuzax said:

SciADV_Maniac said:

xZabuzax said:

SciADV_Maniac said:

xZabuzax said:

SciADV_Maniac said:
@xZabuzax

Ah, the good old "Reading Steiner theory" :)

Unfortunately, the VN contradicts this, multiple times:
- it explicitely mentions that Reading Steiner didn't activate (at least, Okabe tells that it didn't)
- The VN has more details about his time in the hospital, that he underwent a surgery immediately when he was hospitalized. The doctor even said he would've died from the blood loss if they are late with 1 hours. Then he spent an entire month in hospital because he couldn't wake up from the bed after the surgery.

Oh yeah, it seems that I forgot about this part in the VN, if Okabe said that Reading Steiner didn't got activated then this Reading Steiner theory fails.

Well it can be said that he doesn't remember correctly about the events because he his conscious was too fuzzy because of that serious wound...

And that RS did actiave, but then why was he in the hospital in a wound? He was stabbed in the Steins Gate worldline too by pure coincidence on Aug 21?

Yeah, at this point we are going deeper in the "inventing excuses" territory so I rather not go here, I would be fine with the Reading Steiner's excuse theory if Okabe didn't mention anything about Reading Steiner not activating nor anything regarding blood loss because he did lose a lot of blood from the stab wound.

We could indeed say that maybe there was a previous Okabe in the Steins;Gate worldline that got stabbed for whatever reason and when the worldline changed he switched places with that Okabe and was sent to the hospital afterwards and since Okabe was not thinking properly at that moment because of blood loss he couldn't remember that the worldline changed but I don't want to go this far inventing these type of excuses so I guess this will remain as a plot hole for me.

This plot hole could have been avoided easily if the VN didn't mention anything about Reading Steiner not activating nor mentioning blood loss or anything like that.

Or Suzuha not disappearing :)

Btw, have you seen Dark? (the german time travel series on Netflix)

Yeah, Suzuha not disappearing would also fix this Plot Hole. I guess an excuse can be made for the anime since the anime didn't mention anything about Okabe's Reading Steiner not activating nor Okabe being in the hospital because of the blood loss, I believe this is a bigger issue in the VN.

In the anime we can just say that Reading Steiner activated, the worldline changed and Okabe collapsed and was sent to the hospital afterwards just like what happened with Okabe and Fubuki in Steins;Gate 0 I guess...

Yeah, I did watched Dark a couple of months ago, it's a pretty good time traveling series as well. Of course Steins;Gate is better for me but I did enjoy Dark a lot too :)

My only complaint about Dark is that it was in German, I'm just not used in watching series or animes in other languages, I'm ok with Japanese because I got used to it but I've never watched something in German before.

Then why was Okabe in hospital for 1 entire month in the anime? Just because he collapsed?

Yeah, Dark is fantastic. The reason I brought up that series here is that (at least this is what I think)

Did the anime mentioned that Okabe was in the hospital for 1 month? I don't remember if it did but I will look this up. As far as I remember the anime didn't mention how long Okabe was in the hospital but I can be wrong about this, I will look it up and confirm this a bit later today once I stop working.

Yeah Dark has some similarities with Steins;Gate, I won't be surprised if the one that created Dark also got inspired with Steins;Gate :)

Nov 9, 2021 3:25 PM

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Then why was Okabe in hospital for 1 entire month in the anime? Just because he collapsed?

I re-watched the last part of episode 24 and the anime never mentioned that Okabe was in the hospital for 1 month, is there anything I'm missing here?

For the looks of it the anime gets the pass, the Reading Steiner's excuse is pretty valid for the anime but not for the VN though. Suzuha disappearing appears to not be a plot hole in the anime afterall with the Reading Steiner's excuse so I guess I will go for this theory in the anime.

Nov 9, 2021 3:49 PM

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xZabuzax said:

SciADV_Maniac said:
Then why was Okabe in hospital for 1 entire month in the anime? Just because he collapsed?

I re-watched the last part of episode 24 and the anime never mentioned that Okabe was in the hospital for 1 month, is there anything I'm missing here?

For the looks of it the anime gets the pass, the Reading Steiner's excuse is pretty valid for the anime but not for the VN though. Suzuha disappearing appears to not be a plot hole in the anime afterall with the Reading Steiner's excuse so I guess I will go for this theory in the anime.

Hmm, I guess yeah, in the anime this wasn't mentioned...

However, I still have problems with the Reading Steiner theory. Why does RS activates to begin with? I think if RS activates at that point on Aug 21, it contradicts how RS worked previously. The past wasn't changed from Okabe's POV, so RS shouldn't activate (like it didn't activate when Suzuha went to the past and failed). The only thing that happens on Aug 21 that the thesis burns. This only changes the future, not the past.

And yes, this is a big change in the divergence (from 1.130212 to 1.048596), but we know for a fact that even big changes could happen without Okabe noticing.

All in all I could always find a little thing in every new theory which contradicts other little things early in the story. It's hard to write a fully consistent time traveler story. Maybe this was one of the reasons why Chaos;Child dethroned Steins;Gate from the status of best fiction of all time for me

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Nov 9, 2021 4:41 PM

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SciADV_Maniac said:

xZabuzax said:

I re-watched the last part of episode 24 and the anime never mentioned that Okabe was in the hospital for 1 month, is there anything I'm missing here?

For the looks of it the anime gets the pass, the Reading Steiner's excuse is pretty valid for the anime but not for the VN though. Suzuha disappearing appears to not be a plot hole in the anime afterall with the Reading Steiner's excuse so I guess I will go for this theory in the anime.

Hmm, I guess yeah, in the anime this wasn't mentioned...

However, I still have problems with the Reading Steiner theory. Why does RS activates to begin with? I think if RS activates at that point on Aug 21, it contradicts how RS worked previously. The past wasn't changed from Okabe's POV, so RS shouldn't activate (like it didn't activate when Suzuha went to the past and failed). The only thing that happens on Aug 21 that the thesis burns. This only changes the future, not the past.

And yes, this is a big change in the divergence (from 1.130212 to 1.048596), but we know for a fact that even big changes could happen without Okabe noticing.

All in all I could always find a little thing in every new theory which contradicts other little things early in the story. It's hard to write a fully consistent time traveler story. Maybe this was one of the reasons why Chaos;Child dethroned Steins;Gate from the status of best fiction of all time for me

Yeah you are making some good points, as to why Reading Steiner activated at that specific time, maybe it was one of those "Reading Steiner works in mysterious ways" moments?

For example with the D-mails, sending a message to the past can trigger Reading Steiner if the change is big enough, in this case in episode 24 the change was traveling to the past, instead of sending D-mails they physically travelled to the past and thanks to the changes they made in the future the moment they physically travelled to the past (or in the middle of it) Reading Steiner activated?

Yeah at this point I'm just inventing excuses for it again and I hate it, oh well I guess it's just easier to believe it was a plot hole and move on. I still love this anime with these issues so it doesn't bother me.

Nov 18, 2021 2:50 AM

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