| Don't you dare put that on me. I'm still empty on quartz from the Summer Event. |
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mira-pyon said: Is there no way to fix that? Sure there is. Just get Nasu to say FUCK YOU to DW. No, but seriously. The entire reason why DelightWorks was even picked for FGO originally, other than some shitter being Takeuchi's friend, was that Nasu wanted a no-name backwater company like DW instead of a high-profile one so he could boss them around and have full creative control over FGO. They literally depend on his whims. But then FGO ended up getting out of hand with how popular it got and him having not expected it in the slightest, so DW being an incompetent no-name shitter company ended up being a major detriment since they fumbled the code so bad it now takes ages to implement anything into what's essentially a glorified flash game. Granted, DW was at least good and consistent schedule-wise until late-2019. This new Director either doesn't want to or is simply incapable of getting his team to actually DO some work. They outsource half the game's production and still have episodes like Olympus or this year's Summer where they're literally still finishing up production a day until release. And that's *with* the abysmal empty schedule they have where they do absolutely nothing for the game. But bruh smthg like Genshin w/ Nasuverse would be so cool. Yeah, but unfortunately will never happen. He has the means to fund such a project, he just lacks the ambition. Despite moaning about how he wants to make a proper Fate/ RPG for like a decade, he ultimately always settles for low effort, low budget garbage projects like Extella and the Arcade. They had the cash to pull it off even before FGO, they just didn't want to. Tho at the very least Arcade seems kind of trashy from the outside so maybe it won't be that good.... >.> Arcade games are kinda shit by default. If they got a proper developer, they could shit out something like Genshin, esp now that Genshin's proven that it's formula of high budget Open World + Gatcha actually works. |
| Won't the new Studio BB eventually make FGO Impact after they're done with remaking Extra? |
| >Sure there is. Just get Nasu to say FUCK YOU to DW. No, I mean legally is that allowed lol? Would TM have to start all over in a new company or are they allowed to use some of the things they created jointly with DW like sprites and animations and stuff. >He has the means to fund such a project, he just lacks the ambition Reeeee. Well maybe the Tsuki boom will spur him into action lol. |
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ShinsoPriest said: Won't the new Studio BB eventually make FGO Impact after they're done with remaking Extra? Nah. They might make Tsukihime Impact, but not necessarily as a gatcha game. The entire reason why Studio BB was even formed was because it's director, Kazuya Niino, wanted to make a full-blown Tsukihime game. That and like a year ago, he said how this decade was going to be more Tsuki-centric in general. If you couple that with what Nasu said about wanting Tsukihime 2 to be an Open World RPG and how he wants Tsukihime to become a multi-media franchise project, that might be the route they'll go for. Fate is perfect for an Open World RPG, but we've lost that train at this point I think. mira-pyon said: >Sure there is. Just get Nasu to say FUCK YOU to DW. No, I mean legally is that allowed lol? Would TM have to start all over in a new company or are they allowed to use some of the things they created jointly with DW like sprites and animations and stuff. Don't know what the fuck their contract says so who knows. Pretty sure all ownership belongs to TM and Aniplex though, with DW just being a contracted third party that's working on *their* game rather than having actual ownership over FGO and it's assets. But I don't know how that dynamic might've changed since FGO blew up as massively as it did. That said, if they ever to make FGO2 without DW I doubt they'd go for the same style of gameplay which means re-using animations and sprite assets is kinda pointless. |
| what if lostbelt 7 doesnt have ORT dude jobs off screen to the ayyylien god and his body gets hijacked by them |
| It's good that Slop leveling won the CR awards with such a power gap, Gaijin Weebs don't deserve good anime. Not after what they did to frieren, kusuriya, and many others |
| ORT for Tsukihime 2 baby, LEZZZZGGGOOOO!!!!! |
| imagine ORT jobbing to a fcking beast lmao tsukihime elitists are gonna mald i would pay to see that |
| It's good that Slop leveling won the CR awards with such a power gap, Gaijin Weebs don't deserve good anime. Not after what they did to frieren, kusuriya, and many others |
| No, even better ORT jobbing to Servant w/ anti-spider conceptual np-ヽ(✿ﾟ▽ﾟ)ノ |
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| tbh given how out of nowhere totoro and not oberon was and how bs broken they were i can kinda buy if we get a servant that bullshit tbh |
| It's good that Slop leveling won the CR awards with such a power gap, Gaijin Weebs don't deserve good anime. Not after what they did to frieren, kusuriya, and many others |
 within 1 week no apples 1/1/1 to that new dailiesa are fcking lit |
| It's good that Slop leveling won the CR awards with such a power gap, Gaijin Weebs don't deserve good anime. Not after what they did to frieren, kusuriya, and many others |
 hot illya art 60% np charge 75% at mlb basically better IE |
| It's good that Slop leveling won the CR awards with such a power gap, Gaijin Weebs don't deserve good anime. Not after what they did to frieren, kusuriya, and many others |
| 2017 44 New Servants 2018 36 New Servants 2019 41 New Servants 2020 27 New Servants 2021 (Current with only 2 and a half months left) 22 New Servants What went wrong? |
| Literally corona lol. I'm surprised 2019 was so good. >basically better IE Illya once again being better than Sakura at her own game. Smthg poetic abt this |
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mira-pyon said: Literally corona lol Lol you didn't actually believe DW when they pinned their production problems on Corona, did you |
| new illya servant confirmed???? |
| It's good that Slop leveling won the CR awards with such a power gap, Gaijin Weebs don't deserve good anime. Not after what they did to frieren, kusuriya, and many others |
| >Lol you didn't actually believe DW when they pinned their production problems on Corona, did you Why wouldn't I. I mean the options are >DW were monumentally lucky and managed to have a nice scapegoat in the exact time period that they fucked up/wanted to be lazy >Like literally every other company and institution apart from Amazon ig DW was impacted by the need to social distance, sick employees, strict risk assessments and such that would've put a slowed everything down, etc I'm p sure DW have been messing up since *before* 2020, and it didn't impact the game to this extent. Also didn't they have a shitton of monetary losses due to the lack of output? Doesn't really make sense to shoot yourself in the foot like that by postponing Servants they knew would sell well like Morgan and TamaVitch. If your argument is gonna be that other game companies were fine, then it can once again be chalked up to DW being incompetent and not being able to handle the new regulations or smthg. |
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| It's the former, unironically. They've always been incompetent, but at least they used to be somewhat hard-working and ambitiuous which is what you'd expect from a small-time no-name company that suddenly got a chance to work on such a large-scale project. Current DelightWorks feels like a former small-time company that now think it's invincible because they went from no-name shitters to being skyrocketed to extreme success/fame on the back of a single project. That or it's as simple as Kanou being completely spineless and incapable of getting his team to do any actual work. I don't know why people keep forgetting about it, but DW had production issues before Corona was even a thing. They had unfinished animation assets for both Odysseus and Caenis back in Atlantis, even though both were slated for release a few months down the line, and Atlantis was the start of them standardizing 3 Servants per Chapter bullshit as the norm for their production onwards. Even if you wanted to argue and give them the benefit of the doubt that Corona somehow magically impacted DW's production scheduling so much worse than every other glorified flash game developer in Japan, there's quite literally no excuse why 2021 will, again, have less than 30 new Servants total by the end of the year. 2018 -> 3 chapters per year, 5 servants per chapter standard Atlantis and onwards -> 2 chapters per year, 3 servants per chapter standard In the first place, Nasu explicitly said that they devised countermeasures against Corona and could work more efficiently to speed up production back in mid-2020. But now you can see that 2021 is ultimately going to end up the same as 2020 in quantity of new Servants. Funnily enough, I remember Nasu backtracking on his statement later on and saying he thinks they'll probably never be as productive as they used to be. I'm p sure DW have been messing up since *before* 2020 Downward revenue started with the end of 2019, which is when content drought started becoming an apparent issue. What ultimately killed FGO's grip on the market and player retention is it's abysmal 2020 run though. DW has messed up prior to 2020, for sure, but like I said they've always kept a somewhat consistent schedule that kept their playerbase well fed. In a market where player retention basically heavily depends on how often you're able to push out content, that was an important factor for why FGO managed to have such an upward trend for 3 entire years. Also didn't they have a shitton of monetary losses due to the lack of output? FGO obviously heavily lost the dominance/popularity it used to have due to lack of output, but most of their monetary losses stem from the fact that every single major investment they've had outside of FGO turned out to be a monumental failure for them. Not that DW is smart about money-making. Their financial losses on their investments is one thing, but their completely tone-deaf demeanor towards the Pity system in this day and age is another thing when their major market competitors all have Pity systems. Still think it's funny they were arrogant enough to release Sakura Wars without a pity system. That shit could pass and be accepted 2-3 years ago, but now it's far considered the market standard to have one. |
AirConditionerOct 12, 2021 9:32 AM
| Also, did you know DelightWorks completely outsources NP animations nowadays? All those face-shot close-up NPs you see are entirely outsourced to another company. Outsourcing is pretty normal in the entertainment industry, but it's a different story when a glorified flash game developer that outsources one of the most integral and time-consuming parts of their work is incapable of keeping up a respectable schedule in spite of how much outsourcing it does. I remember they were even caught by the JP fanbase bragging about their new ''sound studio'' setup when in reality they literally outsource the sound production for FGO, too. |
| I dunno what you're trying to get at, lmao. Are you saying the lack of Servants is bc they wanted to spread out the story chapters to maximise game runtime? Or because they became lazy? Like genuinely, you wrote so much I'm not sure what you're getting at. >standardizing 3 Servants per Chapter bullshit Yeah but LB6 gave us like 7 Servants >there's quite literally no excuse why 2021 Um, my dude we are still living with corona. And like you said their productivity is probably gone forever lmao. But yh there's nothing you can say that will make me think DW, a company that was already known for being incompetent, was somehow magically *not* significantly affected by corona. It really just sounds like corona shot them in the foot, and they never recovered/got lazier. I can 100% relate myself lol. Counter-measures work in theory but won't necessarily work in action. It'd be pretty hard for a company to admit that they're not doing so well/their plan failed or smthg. Saying their lack of content isn't due to corona at all is just... wrong? Like that's genuinely impossible, DW aren't living in an isolated dimension. Going from 41 Servants to 27 literally can't be explained by laziness alone, so yes I believe DW when they pinned their production problems on corona. Ah, but idol event was really the height of laziness lol. Pffft costumes instead of actually giving new Servants. Miss Crane was nice ig And if the face animations are outsourced you mean there was no reason why we couldn't have gotten an Oberon one. Reeeeeeeeeeee. |
mira-pyonOct 12, 2021 12:10 PM
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mira-pyon said: Or because they became lazy? This. Corona being the ''reason'' for their lack of productivity is just a bullshit excuse. Yeah but LB6 gave us like 7 Servants Made up for it by dripfeeding the chapter across 3 entire months and making less Servants outside of the chapter. LB6 was good, but that's all on Nasu. Um, my dude we are still living with corona. They're a company that focuses on digital entertainment, not physical manufacture, and by Nasu's own word, they devised countermeasures to the Corona situation back in Summer 2020. Yet 2021 hasn't improved the slightest bit from 2020 in actual productivity. Really makes you think. And like you said their productivity is probably gone forever lmao. Hence laziness, not Corona. But yh there's nothing you can say that will make me think DW, a company that was already known for being incompetent, was somehow magically *not* significantly affected by corona. They were having production issues before it and they're still having production issues after Nasu said they've figured out how to work around it. I can't stress how much Corona's existence is a convenient excuse to blame lack of productivity on for certain companies is. Pffft costumes instead of actually giving new Servants The worst part for me personally is that there was no reason they couldn't have just made all of the Costumes from Waltz instead of asininely leaving out a few and citing ''uhhh uhhh but they were given a costume before!'' as the excuse. Yeah, okay. And if the face animations are outsourced you mean there was no reason why we couldn't have gotten an Oberon one. Reeeeeeeeeeee. At least Oberon got something. Meanwhile Koyanskaya, the Anniversary Servant, and Morgan are sitting here with the same set of animations across all three ascensions and Koyanskaya has a NP that looks like it came straight outta 2016/17 FGO. |
mira-pyon said: Going from 41 Servants to 27 literally can't be explained by laziness alone Genuinely curious how DelightWorks manages to be the only gatcha game developer that manages to suffer from production issues due to Corona for 2 entire years when the entirety of the industry has adjusted to the situation, if they even suffered from it much at all. How much are we gonna just chalk up to sheer incompetence at this point? If DW really was just a poor, small incompetent child in the world of all these big gatcha game developers, I'm sure they could have hired some business counselor to help them adjust to the situation the same way all other companies on the market managed to. They had more than the necessary budget for both that and being able to comfortably accomodate work from home for their employees. The reality, though, is that it's just not true. Smaller gatcha devs have adjusted to work conditions under Corona and DelightWorks - with the sort of financial success and company backing they had - shouldn't be suffering from it 2 entire years. Besides, with these sort of lies, Nasu is their worst enemy. He happily went and chatted in his interview about how they've entirely adjusted to the situation after half a year. They depend too much on his whims and his big fat mouth to be able to get away with excuses like Corona. Unless I'm to understand Nasu is blatantly lying despite having full hands-on access to the game development process, I'd wager Corona isn't the reason why their production scheduling went to shit. If I had to guess, Kanou seems spineless so I wouldn't be surprised if DW employees were just taking advantage of him to get in as little work as possible and Kanou being fine with that since it means less stress for him as a director and/or him simply being unable to get his team to do work. As much as people thought the 1st Director guy was a shitlord, he at least managed to get DW to do actual work. |
AirConditionerOct 12, 2021 12:41 PM
| >How much are we gonna just chalk up to sheer incompetence at this point Yeah but isn't not knowing when to stop and get help from someone smart... part of incompetence? >production issues due to Corona for 2 entire years I mean, didn't someone say they were gonna slowdown/rearrange/pushback the schedule because of corona? Even if corona isn't directly affecting them in 2021, they would still have to stick to the low-intensity "plan" they created when corona *was* impacting them. But yes, I also agree they have been particularly lazy this year. I mean, one whole month of reruns topkek. Also Nerofest rerun??? I wonder if they gave up on 2021 and decided to just place all their reruns and long-time baggage here, hoping the LB6 cast will carry the year. I stand by 2020 being cursed by corona, but 2021 didn't have to be *this* empty that said LB6 was long and fulfilling so ultimately I don't really feel the emptiness >He happily went and chatted in his interview about how they've entirely adjusted to the situation after half a year Can I have a sauce on this. I never see anyone talking abt it. |
mira-pyonOct 12, 2021 1:08 PM
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mira-pyon said: Yeah but isn't not knowing when to stop and get help from someone smart... part of incompetence? Not knowing or not willing? I'm sure they're well aware of all the negative feedback they get from the JP fandom, but still take the radio silent route and don't do anything to improve player experience. It's not like DW doesn't know what issue people take up with them and what areas they have to improve in. You can't really chalk it up to obliviousness born out of incompetence. I mean, didn't someone say they were gonna slowdown/rearrange/pushback the schedule because of corona? Even if corona isn't directly affecting them in 2021, they would still have to stick to the low-intensity "plan" they created when corona *was* impacting them. Even if they did, I'm not sure what grounds there are for me to believe anything that comes out of a DW spokesperson's mouth. Never in the 6 years they've been active have they been transparent about what's going on with FGO and their future plans for it, and all issues people take up with them are met with the radio silent ''push under the rug'' approach. It just comes across as PR talk. But here's what Takeuchi and Nasu had to actually say about the whole Corona situation: The schedule has changed a lot due to the need to change over to working remotely. After a period of adjustment, they think they're back at the pace where they were before. Takeuchi says that the schedule should proceed as originally planned from summer onwards. The whole ''it's Corona's fault, I swear'' PR stunt doesn't really work if Nasu and Takeuchi are going around telling the exact opposite story of what DW wants you to believe. Moreover, I'll stress again that I don't understand how DW manages to magically be the only gatcha company that actually continues to suffer from Corona when smaller players in the industry with less options and finance than them don't. Can I have a sauce on this. I never see anyone talking abt it. https://www.reddit.com/r/FGOGuide/comments/i064y3/fgo_5th_anniversary_famitsu_nasu_takeuchi/ |
| You know, those Oberon and Morgan banner earnings still look suss af to me to this day. @AirConditioner Do you know any extra info about those 2 banners ridiculous success other than 'they were just popular characters from a very exciting chapter'. DW and the community were really fellating themselves hard about it and now you hear nothing other than 'summer waifu is bae and want to touch lil special gudao old me'. I suppose the reasoning could be that everyone burnt out their cash and Summer 2021 was a sleeper. Also, a bit late but welcome back champ. [Edit] Just to be super clear here: I do not doubt their popularity as characters. I am dubious of all the money that was made. Have they release Summers earnings yet? |
GenkiiOct 12, 2021 2:56 PM
| ''Ridiculous success'' is pushing it. Oberon and Morgan only did incredibly well in the context of current FGO. Their banner revenue used to be the norm for a lot of Servants 2-3 years back. 2018 in particular was making the exact same, if not bigger, revenue on a monthly basis. You can check the breakdown for each month on here: https://game-i.daa.jp/?%E3%82%AC%E3%83%81%E3%83%A3%E5%88%86%E6%9E%90%2F%E5%8E%9F%E7%A5%9E 2021 monthly revenue breakdown August is Oberon/Morgan  2018 (FGO's best year revenue-wise) monthly revenuze breakdown  億G is 0.1 billion August/LB6 was just giving the playerbase a taste of old FGO. With Koyanskaya being a heavily anticipated Servant and Morgan+Oberon being peak Nasu character writing, it gave the fanbase a slight revival push. But then people realized it was kinda going no where because they immediately followed it up with the latter half of August and first half of September being complete drought/dead period so they just went back to fucking off from the game. August revenue was just exaggerated because people forgot FGO used to pull these numbers, if not better numbers, literally every month. It's definitely impressive in the context of current FGO though. It goes to show the game has the potential to be a powerforce on the market again if they had the ambition and content scheduling of the first 3 years, but that's not going to happen so lmao. |
AirConditionerOct 12, 2021 3:13 PM
| Ay, thank you for putting things into perspective there. All I saw were the many trees but you gave me the forest view and perfectly summarized what I have been suspecting (but not entirely sure) for the past few months. |
AirConditioner said: mira-pyon said: Yeah but isn't not knowing when to stop and get help from someone smart... part of incompetence? Not knowing or not willing? Not knowing, not willing, it's all part of incompetence lol. You don't have to be "innocent" or "inexperienced" or "oblivious" to be incompetent, it's just sucking at running a business, where running a business includes getting help and listening to advice/complaint and stuff. What I'm saying is, it makes perfect sense for a company that doesn't know how to run itself beyond riding on a popular IP, to not be able to deal with corona. That's *peak* DW. But Nasu said they're back on schedule so maybe it's not that bad. But here's what Takeuchi and Nasu had to actually say about the whole Corona situation: <quote> The whole ''it's Corona's fault, I swear'' PR stunt doesn't really work if Nasu and Takeuchi are going around telling the exact opposite story of what DW wants you to believe. Moreover, I'll stress again that I don't understand how DW manages to magically be the only gatcha company that actually continues to suffer from Corona when smaller players in the industry with less options and finance than them don't. https://www.reddit.com/r/FGOGuide/comments/i064y3/fgo_5th_anniversary_famitsu_nasu_takeuchi/ Pffft, I like that we were quoting from the same interview but looking at completely different things. YES Nasu said they're "back on schedule" but in the same breath he *also* said The number of years scheduled to complete the scenario planned for it would also be greatly increased but that has to be revised due to the decrease in working hours That is to say, a situation that lasted for 6~7months has increased the time to finish everything by *years*. Which is exactly what I was talking about earlier. The direct impact of corona may have been temporary, but undoubtedly it's gonna be affecting the schedule of things for a while, which is why things are so dry. Sheesh what happened in 2018. Damn was it that good? What years were similar in revenue? 2017? I'd say Oberon still did really good even in the context of FGO's whole run tho. He was trending at no1 worldwide and was no1 for days in JP. >the latter half of August and first half of September being complete drought/dead period so they just went back to fucking off from the game Accurate lmao. Also tbf Tsuki. |
mira-pyonOct 12, 2021 6:43 PM
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| >What happened in 2018 All that money and popularity went to their head huh. The good thing about dead weeks is that I can play other games instead. |
| @Genkii I request your wisdom bro... I am confused about "unregistrated spirit origin" Basically i pulled 4 xanzuang and the 5th one was from free ssr 1 year ago I did a yolo pull on eresh banner and Got a 6th one. Yet i did not received 1 unregistrated spirit origin... Before that i already had 4 of them from 2 extra artoria, 1 extra mordred and 1 extra sei... Yet my total is still 4 after pulling a 6th xanzuang... How Does it work because i Just burned the 6th one... |
| bruh |
| @kei78 Once you pull your 6th 5* dupe (and onward), Spirit Origin(s) will be added to your chest. The very same chest you collect your daily login bonus. Every time I pulled a dupe it is added there immediately. It doesn't matter if you burn those dupes because once summoned, it is automatically added to your chest to collect. If it's not there, wait for a new day and if it's still not there then there is an issue with your account and you need to inform DW. But that should not happen. |
| I found the answer Free SSR does not count as 6+... Bruh |
| bruh |
| yea it doesnt |
| It's good that Slop leveling won the CR awards with such a power gap, Gaijin Weebs don't deserve good anime. Not after what they did to frieren, kusuriya, and many others |
| lol too bad |
| Oh wow that really sucks. I didn't even know that was a thing. It truly is a whales game. Speaking of which I'm 2 away from another freebie. |
 avalon la fae required clear for christmas lets go |
| It's good that Slop leveling won the CR awards with such a power gap, Gaijin Weebs don't deserve good anime. Not after what they did to frieren, kusuriya, and many others |
| Zenobia waifu material Jacques got a really supportive set |
| bruh |
| Wait I thought halloween was in November ahhh my brain isn't ready Damn, Zenobia is so hot and why does cute templar man have tits- Edit: Oh, November event was separate from halloween? Ah welp foreigner was cool but my excitement has 📉 Zenobia tho  |
mira-pyonOct 20, 2021 6:10 AM
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| The PLOT remains the main reason why FGO is objectively an amazing video game. |
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| I can't help but thinking if Saikyou no cooru was introduce now, the saber one would still be the same while the caster one would have been Genderbent |
| bruh |
| >Arcade Molay is a bland cosplaying weeb >Mobile Molay is a semen demon Based. Kuroboshi sabotaging Arcade on purpose cause they made him draw a guy. |
I'm fine taking this over a playable Summer Cleo. Praise be to Redrop. |
AirConditioner said: >Arcade Molay is a bland cosplaying weeb >Mobile Molay is a semen demon Based. Kuroboshi sabotaging Arcade on purpose cause they made him draw a guy. They're both in dire need of better fashion taste. She should get a longer haircut too. |
Summer morgan next year in the background |
| bruh |
Jesus, I wish I had a giant orc dick so I can break dat woman's back. |
kei78 said: found your fandom accI can't help but thinking if Saikyou no cooru was introduce now, the saber one would still be the same while the caster one would have been Genderbent https://fategrandorder.fandom.com/wiki/User:Yukiko78 :nopers: |
| It's good that Slop leveling won the CR awards with such a power gap, Gaijin Weebs don't deserve good anime. Not after what they did to frieren, kusuriya, and many others |
Mei-o_Scarlett said: kei78 said: found your fandom accI can't help but thinking if Saikyou no cooru was introduce now, the saber one would still be the same while the caster one would have been Genderbent https://fategrandorder.fandom.com/wiki/User:Yukiko78 :nopers: how did you know it was his though? :nopers: |
| cause he said smae thing on the halloween page about how gillies would be genderbent if he was made now :kekw: unless he stole it kek |
| It's good that Slop leveling won the CR awards with such a power gap, Gaijin Weebs don't deserve good anime. Not after what they did to frieren, kusuriya, and many others |
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