Re:ZERO -Starting Life in Another World- (light novel)
matthewprague said: It just does not make any sence. His parents are wonderfull and I'm sure he must love them. Why he thinks it's completly ok from the very start. He is like "Oh, I'm in new world. Wow very nice Emilia I love her and I will protect everyone i love even if it means extreme suffering!" and yet he literally does not give a fuck about anyone he met in 17 years of his previous life and won't ever see again. Have you watched season 2, of not then your asking for spoilers with a post like this one buddy👍 |
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matthewprague said: momentie said: Ifc ive seen it. It still does not make sence that he is ok with everyone being gone from the very start.Have you watched season 2, of not then your asking for spoilers with a post like this one buddy👍 Re;zero is a really subtly written story, I'm afraid I don't have the exact time stamps or anything but aside from when he does actually mention his old life a few times I think your missing some rather apparent details. 1. It's only his parents he's got to miss, the rest of his life, school/friends meant very little to him, certainly less then his new life. 2. He is clearly the type he hides behind his bravado and runs on adrenaline. If you've watched the show then you've seen that countless times yourself, he isn't the sort to talk about his promblems or feelings naturally, so aside from the fact he's barely ever not busy, he wouldn't be likely to let his feelings show, after all if he did we'd get a repeat of the Beatrice mansion route or the breakdown in ep18 3. Season 2 definetly proves it was on his kind but he'd hidden it in order to keep going. As I said he's reserved and fueled by adrenaline. His immediate response upon walking in lagunica is essentially to act like he's in a dream, he's an otaku, it probs ain't the first dream of that sort he's seen. From then on things are constantly busy, till he finally feels a little secure upon entering the santury and hey what do ya know? When given some free time it turns out family was always in the corner of his mind. So ya narritively it wouldn't of fit the pace but equally it would be illogical for his character. Hope that helps👍 |
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Rat_Baby said: Because the authors didn't think about it until the one episode in season 2 and then dusted their hands off and promptly forgot about it again, like most plot points in the show. You obviously have no idea what you're talking about |
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Rat_Baby said: Bro, I took notes and scripted a 50 minute video essay on this show, precisely because of people like you. Sure buddy, what video? Because your initial claim is literally false. "Oh wait a plot point doesn't get brought up after 5 episodes, author must have forgotten about it lmao trash" |
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Rat_Baby said: Gilgameshuu said: [ Sure buddy, what video? Because your initial claim is literally false. "Oh wait a plot point doesn't get brought up after 5 episodes, author must have forgotten about it lmao trash" It's just like the others. Rem wants to kill him, until she's actually in love with him now. Did you even understand her whole character arc in Episode 4 - 11 of Season 1? I've written a whole essay about her entire past, her trauma and why she fell in love with Subaru in the Episode 11 thread here: https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1521514&show=650#msg63361556 His presence attracts monsters, until it doesn't. His witch's scent grows stronger the more he dies... but after a while it slowly goes away until he dies again and the scent grow stronger again, I don't exactly get this point.The witch of envy consumed all the other witches of sin to become the ultimate evil, except they're all here making him drink gamer girl pee. If the show hasn't already made it more obvious then there is quite a difference between the common knowledge people have of the history of the world might not be the same as what actually happened, the Witch of Envy might have still consumed all the other witches, that could have still happened since the Witches in the Sanctuary are dead and only their souls reside there...An antagonist that's never been introduced, explained or justified just... walks out of the woods and starts murdering people. Who are you talking about exactly? And why is this a problem?I'll watch the video later. Mod Edit: Embedded YouTube Video |
DBXJun 19, 2021 4:41 PM
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| It's not as if it is entirely unheard of for children in reality to grow up and move far away from their parents. This is just a slightly more extreme version of that. |
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Rat_Baby said: The whole one episode backstory where she spins on her heels and goes from identical to Ram to an entirely different person, and is sad until Subaru literally tells her that she can cook clean and her boobs are bigger? And that still doesn't explain why she was confident enough to murder him several times and then just... stops doing that. You don't understand, she seemed like Ram because that was exactly what she was trying to do, due to the guilt she felt over what happened in their village, she blamed herself for why Ram lost her horn and wanted to be what her sister was that she took away from her, that's why she tried to become more and more like her, but the thing is, that whole persona of her is not her, that's not who she truly is but is what she felt she obligated to be as atonement for her sins. The Rem we see in Episode 11 is who she truly is as a person, not the replacement for her sister that she tried to be. Subaru was simply brought down that entire fake persona of her, and told her to be who she is and not someone else. Where in the show, exactly, does it tell the audience about the scent being strong when he dies and goes away? It was shown and implied multiple times to be the case. In the 1st loop of the Mansion arc, Subaru got along quite well with everyone in the mansion until he died of the curse from the dog, in the 2nd loop the maids start to get more suspicious of him, though that has more to do with his behavior at the time, and in the 3rd loop, Rem already states that he smells like the witch when she kills him and finally the 4th Loop, Beatrice states that "Not only are you gloomy but the smell is even worse now", remember that the savepoint of Subaru during the Mansion arc was after he first met Beatrice, so this is the 2nd time Beatrice sees him, and because of that one line she says, it's obvious that the first time she met him he didn't have the scent or at least was not as strong as it was during their initial meeting. And the show hasn't made that clear, because we have approximately zero interaction with the everyday people and their knowledge, so it just presents things as fact but sometimes it's just not true. It's not uncommon for shows to give out false information, it actually makes things more realistic, the history recorded in modern history books aren't always going to be true, especially for events that happened 400 years ago, this applies in real life history as well, and I see no problem with it. And Betelguese, and do i really need to explain how dropping an antagonist out of the sky with no explanation because your show needs more torture in it is bad? Oh look a character gets introduced randomly, how is that a problem? Isn't that the case for almost every character introduction in fiction? He has just a bit of an over-the-top personality. |
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Rat_Baby said: Theres a difference between introducing a character and a random guy jumping out of the woods to start torturing people The whole reason why the Cultists took Subaru was because of his witch's miasma, the "love" Petelgeuse is referring to is actually the large amount of witch's miasma in Subaru, that's why he believed he was Pride, you'll know more about him once you watch Season 2 Part 2 but considering you hate the show so much, I don't you'll be planning to watch it anytime soon Rat_Baby said: And you realize that doesnt ever actually say the thing about the stink, right? You're just projecting it onto a show that never establishes it. Yes they do? They state it so obviously, from what we've seen, the only people who can actually smell or see the Witch's Scent/miasma is Rem, Beatrice and Garfiel, why only them, we don't know, maybe there are others but are not saying anything, we don't know. Though I think you're going to start complaining about this too. |
GilgameshuuJun 10, 2021 9:02 PM
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Rat_Baby said: But they don't ever actually tell you that until later, as a retroactive justification. And I meant the "oh it goes away but gets stronger when he dies" thing. That's why I said it's implied, there are numerous instances where it was the case, if it never actually went away then why did Garfiel willingly wanted to allow Subaru to take the trials near the end of Episode 5 of Season 2? when in another loop in Episode 7 he is shown to grow suspicious of him when Subaru asked to take the trials in Emilia's place, and locks him up in a cell due to the miasma. |
GilgameshuuJun 10, 2021 9:11 PM
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| Just wanna know if there’s an explanation of why he got isekai’d. There are always reasons, but this show haven’t said anything about it. Like what happened to Subaru in the real world? |
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Rascal7x said: i noticed this too, it’s kind of strange and there really isn’t any excuse for it besides poor writing How is it poor writing? Subaru never was okay about it in the first place, he just accepted that he may not be able to see them again, even if it will hurt him. That's the whole point of S2E4, him having a proper farewell to them that he wasn't able to do when he was on earth. d1eeM said: Just wanna know if there’s an explanation of why he got isekai’d. There are always reasons, but this show haven’t said anything about it. Like what happened to Subaru in the real world? No explanation yet, though it will probably be a while till we get a proper answer, it's still a mystery even in the novels. Mod Edit: Merged double posts |
DBXJun 19, 2021 4:44 PM
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matthewprague said: Rascal7x said: Yeah, this seems weird to me. Even if your parents were biggest assholes and they die you will be atleast little sad. But Subaru lost his "perfect parents" and he just thinks its ok and he moved on? This is not human behavior at all.lol no one just gets over never being able to see there parents again, they used him going back to see his parents as a cheap excuse to ignore the fact that he should be sad about it It is if you consider that this is just an Isekai about rewarding an otaku's base desires. Wanting to feel powerful and having the love of an incredibly beautiful girl. Things they lack in the real world. When has Isekai been about more? Digimon? |
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| Because thats how isekai works, they don't care they have been isekai'd they just keep on moving. Except Mushoku Tensei, Rudeus still dwells on his past life for a while |
matthewprague said: XYBAexpert said: Yeah, i understand story and characters and thats why i gave it 10. I think this is good explenation, but still i hope we will know more later on, because the fact that he accepted it without any questioning is not enough for me. I know that his life before wasnt that good, but even though he must miss his old live sometimes. But in the show only part where is litle explenation is in Temple. He even resolved his problems, im sure he would be able to live better life. Its only one time Subaru thinking about his 17 years of live. It seem weird to me, not completely wrong just very weird.This guy sums it up well. Plus we have several arcs left. You got to remember he can’t talk about this with anyone else. Just himself. Idk if he can even allude his past even a bit to Emilia or Beatrice. He doesn’t know and he won’t try it for a while. It may come back up in the story down the line. It was already confirmed he won’t go back to his world but that doesn’t mean he won’t get the chance to go back. Maybe he will have to make a choice later on who knows. At the rate its going this might be something he takes to the grave or at least to the point he is freed from RbD. @XYBAexpert thanks for the compliment, nice to meet you😎👍. To the second guy, you say you get it but clearly you don't, the point is he does care, he clearly cares it's just the writer is really F-ing good, he doesn feel the need to have Subaru annoces or monologue his feelings instead we can tell by the way he acts. Their is neither time for him to dwell on life nor would it be in character and it migth even go against the witch rules. It's completely not wierd. You say it's weird to you but think about this, imagine your in his shoes. What would your immediate action be? You'd probs threat it as a dream at first and as time goes the adrenaline of dying would push you to keep going and doing your best to conceal your feelings. If that hasn't helped that plz refer back to my initial answer😅. |
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Gilgameshuu said: Rascal7x said: i noticed this too, it’s kind of strange and there really isn’t any excuse for it besides poor writing How is it poor writing? Subaru never was okay about it in the first place, he just accepted that he may not be able to see them again, even if it will hurt him. That's the whole point of S2E4, him having a proper farewell to them that he wasn't able to do when he was on earth. You sir are doing God's work with all your responses, respect 😎👍 |
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Rascal7x said: MoonStar9 said: do you really think that way? i usually think everyone's opinions are valid, but anyone who thinks its normal to completely not care about your parents after going to a different world is wrong, its poor writing no excuses It is if you consider that this is just an Isekai about rewarding an otaku's base desires. Wanting to feel powerful and having the love of an incredibly beautiful girl. Things they lack in the real world. When has Isekai been about more? Digimon? Your rigth that would be a poor writing excuse but it isn't the case in re;zero lol. I mean I love classic Digimon too but there are other good isekais, like rezero, where they address home. It's a central part of the familiar of zero for example |
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| Well my man got transported to another world where he dies multiple times, i am sure that is the least of his worries. It also kind of gets explained in second season. |
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| As much of a fan I was of S2 ep 4 I still think it's frickin dumb that Subaru never even once thinks about his family or anything till that point. It feels like the author didn't think of this until much later but idk. |
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Rascal7x said: MoonStar9 said: do you really think that way? i usually think everyone's opinions are valid, but anyone who thinks its normal to completely not care about your parents after going to a different world is wrong, its poor writing no excuses It is if you consider that this is just an Isekai about rewarding an otaku's base desires. Wanting to feel powerful and having the love of an incredibly beautiful girl. Things they lack in the real world. When has Isekai been about more? Digimon? In a way I was kind of agreeing with you. Author doesn't focus on trans-humanism or the perpetuity of consciousness because Re:Zero is just an Isekai. It's about otaku wish-fulfillment. Otakus don't wish for their parents they wish for power and women and an easy world where a single person can solve most problems by being powerful. |
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MoonStar9 said: Rascal7x said: do you really think that way? i usually think everyone's opinions are valid, but anyone who thinks its normal to completely not care about your parents after going to a different world is wrong, its poor writing no excuses In a way I was kind of agreeing with you. Author doesn't focus on trans-humanism or the perpetuity of consciousness because Re:Zero is just an Isekai. It's about otaku wish-fulfillment. Otakus don't wish for their parents they wish for power and women and an easy world where a single person can solve most problems by being powerful. In what way is rezero a power fantasy lol. Subaru's power is one that involves countinual mental and physical trauma, furthermore arc4/S2 is all about him deciding not to relie so much on that power, he by his own admission is bordline useless😅. Furthermore I already answered this about so I won't waste your time with it a second time but he completly does care about what he's leaving behind; XYBAexpert said: momentie said: Re;zero is a really subtly written story, I'm afraid I don't have the exact time stamps or anything but aside from when he does actually mention his old life a few times I think your missing some rather apparent details. 1. It's only his parents he's got to miss, the rest of his life, school/friends meant very little to him, certainly less then his new life. 2. He is clearly the type he hides behind his bravado and runs on adrenaline. If you've watched the show then you've seen that countless times yourself, he isn't the sort to talk about his promblems or feelings naturally, so aside from the fact he's barely ever not busy, he wouldn't be likely to let his feelings show, after all if he did we'd get a repeat of the Beatrice mansion route or the breakdown in ep18 3. Season 2 definetly proves it was on his kind but he'd hidden it in order to keep going. As I said he's reserved and fueled by adrenaline. His immediate response upon walking in lagunica is essentially to act like he's in a dream, he's an otaku, it probs ain't the first dream of that sort he's seen. From then on things are constantly busy, till he finally feels a little secure upon entering the santury and hey what do ya know? When given some free time it turns out family was always in the corner of his mind. So ya narritively it wouldn't of fit the pace but equally it would be illogical for his character. Hope that helps👍 This guy sums it up well. Plus we have several arcs left. You got to remember he can’t talk about this with anyone else. Just himself. Idk if he can even allude his past even a bit to Emilia or Beatrice. He doesn’t know and he won’t try it for a while. It may come back up in the story down the line. It was already confirmed he won’t go back to his world but that doesn’t mean he won’t get the chance to go back. Maybe he will have to make a choice later on who knows. At the rate its going this might be something he takes to the grave or at least to the point he is freed from RbD. That guys message and mine before it should clear up the misconception for anyone who didn't read behind the lines themselves😎👍. All I know is that Subaru's life is certainly not the type of power fantasy I'd want😂😂 |
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