Worst HXH Arc?

Solace546 said:
well I hate to break it to you, but unfortunately people have different taste. I'm sorry I had to be the one to tell you

Overseeridk said:
people voting chimera ant LMFAO

Overseeridk said:
people voting chimera ant LMFAO

momentie said:


With respect in what way? Just saying, it's trash or one of the 'wost' parts doesn't really tell me anything😅

Like this is anime were talking about, there's a lot of worst arcs😅, there's definetly worse things made by humanity lol😅. I had a look at your list and I can't help but find it bizare. You've clearly seen loads of shows and have your own opinions so it's kinda baffling why you've taken to being so hxh negative in particular. Like I'm not even a big hxh fan but How'd did it score all the way down as a 1 or do you score shows purely based on your feelings rather then objective values? Just wondering.

DrPirahna said:
Chimera ant arc would be so good if there wasnt like 60 episodes and irritating narrator who was describing when someone takes a breath.

Hrybami said:

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LustKamisama said:


Gotta have to hard disagree with many points lol. How does being the strongest from the start and a cold-hearted serial killer contradict the process of learning to care? The show's main selling point is its operation in the grey morality so even the controversial pacing only served as a plus towards Meruem's character development. He was born into a hierarchy system regarded as a ruler who shouldn't show any sympathy toward his subjects. The blind girl only interested him from the start when he still would just kill her if he feels like it. The bond built naturally throughout the arc and she was literally the first being he would spare a second to care for.

As for Monster vs Human aspect, you really got to dive deeper into philosophical meaning. The Ants are simple as they just run off natural selection behavior, they kill and dominate because they are higher in the food chain in terms of power. That behavior by nature isn't "evil" just like Lions hunting and guarding their territories isn't inherently evil.

Human is structurally more complex when compared to animals but we also run off greed and survival instinct. There is a reason why the leading technology globally is military for the past centuries or arguably true throughout history. A prime example is during the cold war many third-war countries suffered proxy wars between the US and Russia, and the aftermath is still consistent to this day. The war of East vs West is much larger scale but doesn't that satisfied as evil since it's just fighting over power while killing millions.

Jimothy69 said:
Chimera ant arc was pure shit, idc what anyone says. It could've easily been concluded in like 30 episodes. After finishing the arc, I felt like my time had been wasted. Such a pointless and dumb arc imo. And yes I understood everything. Hxh is still 10/10 tho.

Hrybami said:
Chimera ant arc is not only the worst arc in Huntrash x Garbage. It's also the dumbest and the cringiest thing ever created in human history.

BloodyTaer said:
says the guy who gave goblin slayer a fucking 8 lmao, gtfo of here you pathetic beta no one takes your shit opinions seriously

momentie said:


I agree hrybami is being a bit hyperbolic (lol see the rest of the thread) but no need to have a go at goblin slayer😂

BloodyTaer said:
goblin slayer was so fucking garbage, and im not a dumbass who hates it because it has rape in the first episode, i didn't mind them showing rape at all, what i do mind is the below average storytelling and characters, when it first came out and i saw all the controversy about it i thought 'oh wow this looks like an anime that doesn't give a shit about the watcher's fellings, so it will have rape, sex, nudity and gore all the way' nah, it has no good qualities about it exept maybe the semi'well animated fights but thats it

LustKamisama said:


Gotta have to hard disagree with many points lol. How does being the strongest from the start and a cold-hearted serial killer contradict the process of learning to care? The show's main selling point is its operation in the grey morality so even the controversial pacing only served as a plus towards Meruem's character development. He was born into a hierarchy system regarded as a ruler who shouldn't show any sympathy toward his subjects. The blind girl only interested him from the start when he still would just kill her if he feels like it. The bond built naturally throughout the arc and she was literally the first being he would spare a second to care for.

As for Monster vs Human aspect, you really got to dive deeper into philosophical meaning. The Ants are simple as they just run off natural selection behavior, they kill and dominate because they are higher in the food chain in terms of power. That behavior by nature isn't "evil" just like Lions hunting and guarding their territories isn't inherently evil.

Human is structurally more complex when compared to animals but we also run off greed and survival instinct. There is a reason why the leading technology globally is military for the past centuries or arguably true throughout history. A prime example is during the cold war many third-war countries suffered proxy wars between the US and Russia, and the aftermath is still consistent to this day. The war of East vs West is much larger scale but doesn't that satisfied as evil since it's just fighting over power while killing millions.

Hrybami said:


As for Meruem, learning to care is a thing serial killers can do so it's not the contradiction. The contradiction was that he was presented as the strongest leader, yet still failed as being both stronger and more intelligent. And the conclusion that he developed feeling or affection is just way too simple and boring to take seriously. Not to mention that how the fuck are we supposed to care about the death of such a pathetic and dumbass villain in the first place. The guy was just born recently and accomplished fuck all while being astonishingly arrogant and pathetic. Cringe.

Dude, being at the top chain doesn't mean you can kill off literally anything you see without regret. Hunting because you're hungry is logical. Killing because you feel the need to show dominance could be logical if there was a reason to lead them to such behaviour, but I believe there isn't any justification. The ants literally just appear and do excessively evil things for no reason and no justification. There's a reason why it works with humans. Humans have a lot of backstories and societal dilemma that lead them to where they are today and why they are somehow forced to commit evil acts. Also, clearly humans aren't happy with all these atrocities. I don't think anyone actually think wars, genocide and fighting over power is an instinctive behaviour and thus isn't evil. Human beings don't appeared on Earth and then immediately became morally complex. It's the result of thousands of years conflict and progressive civilization. On the other hand, we have ants with absolutely no backstories to support the outcome of their evil acts. Not only they don't even instinctively realize they are being evil, but they also don't even have any justification aside of showing their dominance. This is an insult to our species and our past histories since it pretend we're just this barbarous without realizing it, without reason and without regretting anything.

Snudge said:
Chimera Ant arc by far was the worst arc in the series i quit during that and had to force myself to finish the show

Hrybami said:


As for Meruem, learning to care is a thing serial killers can do so it's not the contradiction. The contradiction was that he was presented as the strongest leader, yet still failed as being both stronger and more intelligent. And the conclusion that he developed feeling or affection is just way too simple and boring to take seriously. Not to mention that how the fuck are we supposed to care about the death of such a pathetic and dumbass villain in the first place. The guy was just born recently and accomplished fuck all while being astonishingly arrogant and pathetic. Cringe.

Dude, being at the top chain doesn't mean you can kill off literally anything you see without regret. Hunting because you're hungry is logical. Killing because you feel the need to show dominance could be logical if there was a reason to lead them to such behaviour, but I believe there isn't any justification. The ants literally just appear and do excessively evil things for no reason and no justification. There's a reason why it works with humans. Humans have a lot of backstories and societal dilemma that lead them to where they are today and why they are somehow forced to commit evil acts. Also, clearly humans aren't happy with all these atrocities. I don't think anyone actually think wars, genocide and fighting over power is an instinctive behaviour and thus isn't evil. Human beings don't appeared on Earth and then immediately became morally complex. It's the result of thousands of years conflict and progressive civilization. On the other hand, we have ants with absolutely no backstories to support the outcome of their evil acts. Not only they don't even instinctively realize they are being evil, but they also don't even have any justification aside of showing their dominance. This is an insult to our species and our past histories since it pretend we're just this barbarous without realizing it, without reason and without regretting anything.

Hrybami said:
Chimera ant arc is not only the worst arc in Huntrash x Garbage. It's also the dumbest and the cringiest thing ever created in human history.

LustKamisama said:


yikes, I guess we just don't share the same amount of appreciation for characters with challenging moralities. Knowledge and Wisdom are two separate traits he is strong and intelligent but by nature is lacking the ability to read between lines, relating, or even the concept of more complex emotion. The whole point of his character is the show how humanity has the ability to grow and learn empathy towards other no matter the state you're in. I honestly don't think his arrogance and narcissism contradict that theme.

For the food chain, it's fairly simple but I'll empathize with it more. What the ants are doing isn't "evil" just like how you wouldn't feel guilty for stepping on insects or eating at a steakhouse. You feel it's evil because the act is toward humans which you can personally relate to. The portrayal of how heartless the ant can be isn't anything special, considering for some animals it's the norm to practices cannibalism against their own offsprings or parents. You said it yourself how human isn't born onto Earth and became morally complex, its results from the clashing of conflicts and progression. Arguably each of the named ants went through their own arc and development of the newly obtain "humanity" learning from different ways of this idea of complex morality. You don't expect animals to know right or wrong but through their human counterpart, some have the ability to learn it. Meruem learned how his killing how the little girl from the village was wrong it's not just him showing affection toward the blind, the same goes for many other ants.

As for insult to our species, I don't know man looking through history it only supports human can be just as barbarous as animals. There are countless acts humans did against their own kind, sure we condemned it in this day and age but it's a fact that people at the time will fully support these atrocities.

Hrybami said:


What you're saying doesn't make much sense. Instinctive traits aren't things we needed to "learn" unless we were enforced the opposite at a very young age or through propaganda. It's not like we learn something new, but more that we needed to unlearn the wrong thing we were taught. Or instead, getting at the realization that certain things are wrong or evil. There is a difference between psychological manipulation and instincts. Meruem wasn't psychologically manipulated, he was instinctively evil but acted as if he was psychologically manipulated. That's why the realization of what he was doing was wrong is completely bullshit. That's exactly like if a perfectly harmless human discovered that he could become evil and learned to be without any other justification other than witnessing bad shit happening around him without even being psychologically manipulated to become evil. He just reversed his instinct ant turned evil just because.

I don't think you understand what I'm saying. The evil we're talking about is a very human concept and when we say something is evil, the concept is only from the human definition since it's the only one we have. Of course, the chimera ants aren't exactly "evil" when you consider them separately given that this concept doesn't apply to other species. We don't have access to their moral codes anyway so it's really pointless to argue if they are "evil" when this very concept doesn't even apply to them. Instead, when we say something is evil, we consider this concept and its definition as our own and not as something else. What I mean is every animals devoid of moral codes cannot be considered evil by themselves. The evil is designated according to our moral codes and not their own. As we have seen, the chimera ants don't have a moral codes of their own. So, if we consider the chimera ants evil, it's only based on our moral codes.

I also disagree on the guiltiness of our acts. We don't kill off bugs without reasons. We killed them because they are a nuisance and decided that one harmful act could compensate with enough benefice to be worth committing. If someone actually go outside killing every living thing they see, I would seriously consider them morally sick or crazy. As for the steakhouse, no one argued that eating was wrong, but humans do have varying moral standard. Most people don't mind eating meat, but other people would absolutely refuse to. A lot of people would feel uneasy seeing what happens in a slaughter house. Most people would agree that living animal deserve to have a decent enough life quality and that unneeded or excessive torture committed to animals is unwelcome. It's also not because someone agreed to eat meat that they necessarily agree with the entire process and practices that leaded them the opportunity to eat meat. Most people don't want to think about it, not because they don't feel any guilt, but more because they considered that the benefice of eating meat already compensate its downside and that they don't want to impose oneself unnecessary remorse on every choices they made. People feel remorse when they did something wrong that wasn't beneficial enough to compensate on its downside. This entire process of making choice based on benefice and downside is something that is hardly applying to the chimera ants. We often see them eating humans, okay this passes, but why do they instinctively erase any human they see as if they were simple dust? It's not like they had a benefice in killing humans. Moreover that both the chimera ants were pretty similar physically, biologically and cognitively. It's not even that they learned that humans were harmful to them, it's like if they were preprogrammed into believing human needed to extinct just because. No backstory or any justification were made to support such behaviour.

Humans are barbarous animal because they are coming from a long past history of societal events that leaded them to commit such atrocities. Humans never appeared with the intent of committing them in the first place. Humans also don't instinctively and fully support these atrocities either. These decisions made and how people supported them were the result of actively living in a complicated and uncontrollable situation. It is also well known that it's pretty easy to psychologically manipulate the masses and the people more often than not don't even have the whole picture of what's happening around them or don't even realize the true implication or the horrible outcome of their decisions. Absolutely no one would want to suffer from the atrocities committed by humans, so I seriously doubt there are people who fully support every single atrocity committed by human.

But here we have chimera ant who appeared out of no where causing havoc for no reason and fully support every single atrocity they commit. As if they were biologically programmed to fucked up everything. There was nothing that could justify them being that evil. Good for them if they can realize they were evil, but that's just not how it works at all. They were awfully evil by instinct and not from the result of situations out of their controls unlike humans. That's why the comparison between humans is extremely bullshit and insulting.

LustKamisama said:


This whole argument just has a modern bias towards it. You saying it's the thousand-year of the historic event that lead humanity into committing atrocities but it quite the opposite. There are numerous empires with massive warmonger behavior that has commit inhuman acts even dating back to the beginning of civilization. (Viking, Mongols, Roman, Nazi, etc.) The very nature of slavery was created because of the dominance of power from one side over the other. Even in the US, the Civil War is just 2 centuries ago but the root problem of segregation lingers to this day. Humans through time and progression mutually agreed on this so-called moral code and it's getting updated as we see fit. The ants are going through the same process where they start at the natural state of animals climb the progression of humanity. It is stated that the ants gain traits from each of their counterparts so just like they got the trait of complex thinking, and communicating it will also accompany the growing aspect. The series is highlighting the fact that even if humanity is barbarous by nature we also have the ability to outgrow that and learn from it.

Hrybami said:


And what was your argument against my point exactly? I said the barbarous nature of humans was the result of a growing civilization. The people from the beginning of civilization were still under the influence of the civilization.

Were the ants influenced by the civilization though? I agree the ants could acquire the mindset of humans, but humans need something to trigger its evil side. The ants were born with the evil side already triggered on for no reason.

LustKamisama said:


What? The ants was influenced by the animal instinct from their animal side. They are a abomination of beast and human. What’s the evil in killing other species in their territory or even hunting for food? Many alpha predator of nature would kill their own kind to show dominance let alone species weaker than them.

Hrybami said:


Okay so it's their "animal instinct" now? What does this have to do with the barbarous nature of human then?

LustKamisama said:


It's drawing a parallel monster and human its quite obvious, isn't it? It doesn't matter what social or historical event lead up to it or even any reason behind it. Animal-based their "evil" acts off their instinct then what do human-based theirs off of?

The fact that Nazi was killing thousands in a ditch and half the country supported it, is what's messed up. Human consistently attracts conflict, I mean most 1st world countries are in peacetime is because we have over 10,000+nukes worldwide.

Hrybami said:


Yeah and I argued that the parallel made no sense because humans are a lot more complex than the monsters. It's not the first time monsters were created in fiction. However, drawing to monster to be a parallel to human with such dreadful writing is never seen before. The writer should either write the monsters as inhuman and evil creatures and leave it like that or he should more competently write the monsters and give them believable reasons for committing atrocities instead of just going "human nature = bad = deep lol". I can't believe so many people actually consider this good writing.

And i believe no one ever said that humans were not evil either, so I have no idea why you bring this up like it needed to be stated.

LustKamisama said:


Agree to Disagree then. Togashi is one was the few authors across multiple media to portray humanity in a more nuanced way. I don't think the theme can be boiled down to just human nature=bad but for this discussion, I don't feel there is common ground so let's stop here.

Hrybami said:

Yes I've rated this anime that low because it got extra negative point for its awful writing and waste of my precious time. It's actually the only anime I regret having completed. I don't score based on objective values since I don't believe they exist at all.
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