Attack on Titan
SHUBHAM019 said: ren0080 said: Can you explain me how to add pictures than I am 100% sure i would explain this to you .uh yeah since Armin totally fall so slow that Eren had enough time to lay down Armin without getting noticed by Beruto Like stop it. No matter how much you twist it, it's just plot armor. And Eren's reaction when he goes to Armin contradicts what your "explanations" said. Just check the BB code |
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ren0080 said: I am providing time stamps instead of pictures .SHUBHAM019 said: Can you explain me how to add pictures than I am 100% sure i would explain this to you . Just check the BB code S3 ep 17 ' hero ' 17:50 Eren has hardened his body if you look closely but Bertholt wasn't able to see it because of steam . Now Eren has enough time to do what he wants 18:17 confirmation that Eren has hardened 18:40 it is clearly visible that Armin's body is being blown away . 19:30 - 19:45 its enough time to catch and place Armin 19:45 - 20:00 it's enough time to come behind and perform a sneak attack 22:09 the way Armin's body is placed clearly shows that he has been placed by someone 22:17 It clearly shows that they are so near to the colassal's body which contradicts point at 18:40 of armin being blown away . This means that Eren would have catched Armin else it's not possible . Also think about it what would Eren have been doing all this time after hardening . This completely makes sense |
SHUBHAM019 said: I am providing time stamps instead of pictures . S3 ep 17 ' hero ' 17:50 Eren has hardened his body if you look closely but Bertholt wasn't able to see it because of steam . Now Eren has enough time to do what he wants 18:17 confirmation that Eren has hardened 18:40 it is clearly visible that Armin's body is being blown away . 19:30 - 19:45 its enough time to catch and place Armin 19:45 - 20:00 it's enough time to come behind and perform a sneak attack 22:09 the way Armin's body is placed clearly shows that he has been placed by someone 22:17 It clearly shows that they are so near to the colassal's body which contradicts point at 18:40 of armin being blown away . This means that Eren would have catched Armin else it's not possible . Also think about it what would Eren have been doing all this time after hardening . This completely makes sense Does this mean my explanation was right? |
lelouch4britanni said: yes that's why I thanked you . I never thought that Armin's survival could actually turn to reasonable rather than plot armorSHUBHAM019 said: I am providing time stamps instead of pictures . S3 ep 17 ' hero ' 17:50 Eren has hardened his body if you look closely but Bertholt wasn't able to see it because of steam . Now Eren has enough time to do what he wants 18:17 confirmation that Eren has hardened 18:40 it is clearly visible that Armin's body is being blown away . 19:30 - 19:45 its enough time to catch and place Armin 19:45 - 20:00 it's enough time to come behind and perform a sneak attack 22:09 the way Armin's body is placed clearly shows that he has been placed by someone 22:17 It clearly shows that they are so near to the colassal's body which contradicts point at 18:40 of armin being blown away . This means that Eren would have catched Armin else it's not possible . Also think about it what would Eren have been doing all this time after hardening . This completely makes sense Does this mean my explanation was right? |
SHUBHAM019 said: yeah...I am providing time stamps instead of pictures . S3 ep 17 ' hero ' 17:50 Eren has hardened his body if you look closely but Bertholt wasn't able to see it because of steam . Now Eren has enough time to do what he wants 18:17 confirmation that Eren has hardened 18:40 it is clearly visible that Armin's body is being blown away . 19:30 - 19:45 its enough time to catch and place Armin 19:45 - 20:00 it's enough time to come behind and perform a sneak attack 22:09 the way Armin's body is placed clearly shows that he has been placed by someone 22:17 It clearly shows that they are so near to the colassal's body which contradicts point at 18:40 of armin being blown away . This means that Eren would have catched Armin else it's not possible . Also think about it what would Eren have been doing all this time after hardening . This completely makes sense It makes sense |
lelouch4britanni said: Isayama is a genius, legend even this scene wasn't Plot Armor . SHUBHAM019 said: yeah... I am providing time stamps instead of pictures . S3 ep 17 ' hero ' 17:50 Eren has hardened his body if you look closely but Bertholt wasn't able to see it because of steam . Now Eren has enough time to do what he wants 18:17 confirmation that Eren has hardened 18:40 it is clearly visible that Armin's body is being blown away . 19:30 - 19:45 its enough time to catch and place Armin 19:45 - 20:00 it's enough time to come behind and perform a sneak attack 22:09 the way Armin's body is placed clearly shows that he has been placed by someone 22:17 It clearly shows that they are so near to the colassal's body which contradicts point at 18:40 of armin being blown away . This means that Eren would have catched Armin else it's not possible . Also think about it what would Eren have been doing all this time after hardening . This completely makes sense It makes sense God this man is not a human how could anyone write so flawlessly. It's not like we made this on our own . Everything that happened at that time was a indication to that it's that we realised it now. |
SHUBHAM019 said: He is in another league,i like how aot doesn't take 1-2 episode to explain the stuff they did but rather they just show it and it's on us how we interpret it.Isayama is a genius, legend even this scene wasn't Plot Armor . God this man is not a human how could anyone write so flawlessly. It's not like we made this on our own . Everything that happened at that time was a indication to that it's that we realised it now. |
Anurag07 said: this scene was considered plot armor by almost everyone but now when we have complete explanation , everything makes sense.SHUBHAM019 said: He is in another league,i like how aot doesn't take 1-2 episode to explain the stuff they did but rather they just show it and it's on us how we interpret it. Isayama is a genius, legend even this scene wasn't Plot Armor . God this man is not a human how could anyone write so flawlessly. It's not like we made this on our own . Everything that happened at that time was a indication to that it's that we realised it now. |
SHUBHAM019 said: Good explanation. That make sense as after slicing colossal titan eren went straight to armin body it didn't felt like he was searching for him,he was not surprised after finding him...also armin body was found to the right side of colossal titan but he was blown straight front. So he catched placed in right side went back and bangg.I am providing time stamps instead of pictures . S3 ep 17 ' hero ' 17:50 Eren has hardened his body if you look closely but Bertholt wasn't able to see it because of steam . Now Eren has enough time to do what he wants 18:17 confirmation that Eren has hardened 18:40 it is clearly visible that Armin's body is being blown away . 19:30 - 19:45 its enough time to catch and place Armin 19:45 - 20:00 it's enough time to come behind and perform a sneak attack 22:09 the way Armin's body is placed clearly shows that he has been placed by someone 22:17 It clearly shows that they are so near to the colassal's body which contradicts point at 18:40 of armin being blown away . This means that Eren would have catched Armin else it's not possible . Also think about it what would Eren have been doing all this time after hardening . This completely makes sense |
destroyerbinges said: Eren not being eaten by Santa Titan in Season 1. Ymir conveniently just waking up and being under the place where Annie,Reiner and Bertholdt were. Rod Reiss not killing everyone by transforming into the largest titan seen into the series so far, being 120 metres in size. Eren was masquerading as a part of the army in Marley and nobody thinking that some new guy joined. Eren not taking Reiner and Galliard's weakened bodies back to the airship after defeating Reiner in S4 Ep 8. The Colossal Titan's transformation in S2 not killing everyone immediately as Armin's Titan basically destroyed Marley's entire sea port while Bertholdt transforming did hardly any damage. AoT is a great show but it has a few plotholes. Eren was swallowed by missing only his leg and arm, but he was still alive, so his spinal fluid and brain was still intact, he transformed before he would be digested. No idea what made Ymir as pure titan stop and stay there for many years, perhaps there was nothing nearby that woudl attract its attention, until the kids arrived and made camp right next to her burrowed titan. Rod's titan's nape was blown up by explosive barrels thrown inside his mouth, Historia found the living portion and delivered the killing blow. I don't know how the marleyan army oversees fallen or permanently disabled soldiers, Eren wasn't hiding at all, he was engaging into conversations with marleyan inhabitants. I think nobody was concerned about a soldier with one leg residing at a mental (it seems) instituation. Reiner wasn't weakened, he just had no desire to aggressively fight Eren, but he did protect Galliard. Eren ran out of energy by the time he faced Reiner, and he knew Reiner would've faced him if he went after Galliard. He retreated with Mikasa's support. The nine titan's have special abilities that with varying intensity depending on the shifter. Bertholdt's colossal titan has done a lot of damage when he transformed and performed an explosion in S3, but it wasn't nearly as powerful as Armin's, I suppose Armin has better synergy with the colossal titan. I don't think Bertholdt performed an explosion prior to S3, only hot steam discharge from his body. |
ManWild said: It's a bit weird that you're actively looking for plot holes. If anything, that seems like you're just killing off personal enjoyment Plotholes don't bother a lot of people, most people I know don't give a shit. So nah I don't think its killing off any personal enjoyment. |
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destroyerbinges said: Fiveskies said: None of the things you said can be classified as plot holes . Santa titan could not eat Eren because he did not bite the spine and Eren transformed . Yamir waking up was plot convenience at best . An explanation could be that they disturbed Yamir by camping there. Rid Reiss could not kill them because Eren used his hardening ability and protected them all. How is Eren infiltrating the injured soldiers a plot hole ? Nothing is wrong with it . Eren not taking Reiner and Porco was because he had to hurry back to the ship. Regarding Collosal titan , it has been discussed earlier in thus thread itself so I won't write . I'm perfectly on board with Eren infiltrating Marley but no one thought that 'I've never seen this guy before, wonder why he's suddenly here.' He should have at least been thought as someone suspicious since they've never seen him before. We've seen every other person eaten by a Titan die instantly or have their spine crushed fast like Karla and Hannes. How convenient is it that Eren was simply swallowed and not eaten like everyone else in AoT? That's more plot armour than a Plothole though. They might have been in a hurry but they couldn't capture 2 Titan shifters who were unconscious and lying in their titan bodies? Heck, the guy who was shot by Gabi could have got their bodies to the ship. Also, I feel like capturing 2 Titan shifters is something that is much more important than immediately leaving. That's a major plot hole imo. Ymir waking up is more plot convenience than Plot Armour, I agree about that. I admit I'm wrong if Eren used his hardening to protect everyone. My memory's a bit hazy so I don't really remember that. If a new worker showed up at the local store, would you care? If some new guy started working at the place you work? If a new student joined the school you are attending? I personally wouldn't give a damn, but maybe you would. Titan usually crunch their victrims but they don't really have any intelligence, rather just driven by instinct, Hange has proven that with her experiments. WHen they crunch their victim they don't ensure they damaged their spine and drink the fluid. Santa titan did crunch on Eren, his arm was bitten off at that time, then he was swallowed whatever was left of him. The whole point of the operation was to recover Eren and the rest of the crew, Armin blew up the navy to cover the operation, and to cut them off from following them back to Paradis (I suppose). Eren wanted to get as many shifter power as possible, but only managed to get one, then he just ran out of energy, so he had to get on the airship and retreat with the rest. Marley had the upper hand with their army of one million soldiers and who knows how many guns and warmachines. The whole operation was relying on the surprise, otherwise Marley would've easily won, they couldn't afford to stay and fight to capture shifters. |
destroyerbinges said: Gofigure said: Eren was swallowed by missing only his leg and arm, but he was still alive, so his spinal fluid and brain was still intact, he transformed before he would be digested. No idea what made Ymir as pure titan stop and stay there for many years, perhaps there was nothing nearby that woudl attract its attention, until the kids arrived and made camp right next to her burrowed titan. Rod's titan's nape was blown up by explosive barrels thrown inside his mouth, Historia found the living portion and delivered the killing blow. I don't know how the marleyan army oversees fallen or permanently disabled soldiers, Eren wasn't hiding at all, he was engaging into conversations with marleyan inhabitants. I think nobody was concerned about a soldier with one leg residing at a mental (it seems) instituation. Reiner wasn't weakened, he just had no desire to aggressively fight Eren, but he did protect Galliard. Eren ran out of energy by the time he faced Reiner, and he knew Reiner would've faced him if he went after Galliard. He retreated with Mikasa's support. The nine titan's have special abilities that with varying intensity depending on the shifter. Bertholdt's colossal titan has done a lot of damage when he transformed and performed an explosion in S3, but it wasn't nearly as powerful as Armin's, I suppose Armin has better synergy with the colossal titan. I don't think Bertholdt performed an explosion prior to S3, only hot steam discharge from his body. I mean we've seen a lot of people with one half jutting outside of the Titan's mouth like Karla and Hannes which I'm pretty sure would damage their spinal cord while Eren was the only one who was directly swallowed. That's plot armour in my opinion. He was the only human who was swallowed while every other human was bitten into. Ymir's thing was more of a case of plot convenience but it's something that really annoys me. It's a nitpick of mine in AoT. I don't have a problem with Rod's death. He transformed into a 120 metre titan which should essentially be as powerful as a nuke transformation wise. Apparently Eren shielded them from the brunt of the explosion so that's a mistake on my part. Nobody in Marley has ever seen Eren before in their lives. He should have at least been a bit suspicious in Marley. I'm pretty sure the Eldian soldiers would have never seen the guy before and reported him to the Marleyan Officers. He shouldn't have been able to infiltrate the army so easily. Couldn't Mikasa just take Eren back to the ship and come back for Porco and Reiner? Yea, like I said santa titan just didn't know how well his victim was crunched, he could feel biting into Eren flesh, I suppose that was enough for it to believe it's time to swallow. We are up to EP9 and we don't know how Eren inflitrated the marleyan army, we can only see that he is a disabled soldier, nobody cares about, being left at a mental instituation. I think he might just pretended acute PTSD with possible amnesia, that's how he ended up at that institution. Altough according to the story he has spent 3 years there, so I don't know what he's been doing for those 3 years. Eren only mentioned eating the same food and sleeping under the same roof with them, he pointed out that they are just as human as eldians, if you remember their conversation with Reiner. I really don't know what happened for 3 years though. Better to ask manga readers about that, but that's potential major spoiler for you, so I suggest to watch the whole season first. |
destroyerbinges said: Gofigure said: Eren was swallowed by missing only his leg and arm, but he was still alive, so his spinal fluid and brain was still intact, he transformed before he would be digested. No idea what made Ymir as pure titan stop and stay there for many years, perhaps there was nothing nearby that woudl attract its attention, until the kids arrived and made camp right next to her burrowed titan. Rod's titan's nape was blown up by explosive barrels thrown inside his mouth, Historia found the living portion and delivered the killing blow. I don't know how the marleyan army oversees fallen or permanently disabled soldiers, Eren wasn't hiding at all, he was engaging into conversations with marleyan inhabitants. I think nobody was concerned about a soldier with one leg residing at a mental (it seems) instituation. Reiner wasn't weakened, he just had no desire to aggressively fight Eren, but he did protect Galliard. Eren ran out of energy by the time he faced Reiner, and he knew Reiner would've faced him if he went after Galliard. He retreated with Mikasa's support. The nine titan's have special abilities that with varying intensity depending on the shifter. Bertholdt's colossal titan has done a lot of damage when he transformed and performed an explosion in S3, but it wasn't nearly as powerful as Armin's, I suppose Armin has better synergy with the colossal titan. I don't think Bertholdt performed an explosion prior to S3, only hot steam discharge from his body. I mean we've seen a lot of people with one half jutting outside of the Titan's mouth like Karla and Hannes which I'm pretty sure would damage their spinal cord while Eren was the only one who was directly swallowed. That's plot armour in my opinion. He was the only human who was swallowed while every other human was bitten into. Ymir's thing was more of a case of plot convenience but it's something that really annoys me. It's a nitpick of mine in AoT. I don't have a problem with Rod's death. He transformed into a 120 metre titan which should essentially be as powerful as a nuke transformation wise. Apparently Eren shielded them from the brunt of the explosion so that's a mistake on my part. Nobody in Marley has ever seen Eren before in their lives. He should have at least been a bit suspicious in Marley. I'm pretty sure the Eldian soldiers would have never seen the guy before and reported him to the Marleyan Officers. He shouldn't have been able to infiltrate the army so easily. Couldn't Mikasa just take Eren back to the ship and come back for Porco and Reiner? Didn't see your last question: I mentioned this earlier as well, their operation was to recover Eren and get out of there ASAP. They had to deal with the whole marleyan army and they only had a bunch of survey corps soldier (Maybe 50?), an unarmed airship, Armin and Eren. Armin blew up their navy and Eren was exhausted, they played their cards and there was no more advantage of surprise. They had to get out of there because the airship wasn't waiting. Reiner was protecting Galliard, and Pieck was surrounded by the army already, probably they were getting close to Eren and Mikasa as well. They had no chance to fight the army, and the airship was getting away. Fighting Reiner would've taken time the couldn't afford and Mikasa would've had to protect the exhausted Eren and solo fight Reiner. |
SHUBHAM019 said: Gofigure said: Was it mentioned that Eren stayed for 3 years because I don't remember about it could you tell which ep and timestamp.Yea, like I said santa titan just didn't know how well his victim was crunched, he could feel biting into Eren flesh, I suppose that was enough for it to believe it's time to swallow. We are up to EP9 and we don't know how Eren inflitrated the marleyan army, we can only see that he is a disabled soldier, nobody cares about, being left at a mental instituation. I think he might just pretended acute PTSD with possible amnesia, that's how he ended up at that institution. Altough according to the story he has spent 3 years there, so I don't know what he's been doing for those 3 years. Eren only mentioned eating the same food and sleeping under the same roof with them, he pointed out that they are just as human as eldians, if you remember their conversation with Reiner. I really don't know what happened for 3 years though. Better to ask manga readers about that, but that's potential major spoiler for you, so I suggest to watch the whole season first. It wasn't 3 years, that's my mistake sorry. |
destroyerbinges said: Gofigure said: Didn't see your last question: I mentioned this earlier as well, their operation was to recover Eren and get out of there ASAP. They had to deal with the whole marleyan army and they only had a bunch of survey corps soldier (Maybe 50?), an unarmed airship, Armin and Eren. Armin blew up their navy and Eren was exhausted, they played their cards and there was no more advantage of surprise. They had to get out of there because the airship wasn't waiting. Reiner was protecting Galliard, and Pieck was surrounded by the army already, probably they were getting close to Eren and Mikasa as well. They had no chance to fight the army, and the airship was getting away. Fighting Reiner would've taken time the couldn't afford and Mikasa would've had to protect the exhausted Eren and solo fight Reiner. I understand that they were in a hurry and that they would definitely have been outmatched by Marley's forces. My problem is that after taking Eren back to the ship, Mikasa could have come down and taken Reiner and Porco to the ship. They had enough time as we saw that Lobov, the guy who was shot by Gabi later on was still waiting and had not gone back to the ship. Reiner was also extremely weak. We saw his armour almost completely broken and lost to Eren easily. Mikasa, the 2nd strongest scout, could easily defeat a weakened Reiner. I understand them not taking Pieck as they didn't know her location and in what building she was present but Reiner and Porco should have been taken captive. With that logic, it could've been the whole eldian force returning (assuming they all had enough compressed gas) to take those two, not just Mikasa. I think Mikasa and Eren assumed Reiner still had more juice left to fight Mikasa and they didn't exactly know how far the army was, or how many soldiers were there. Eren and Mikasa only did well due to covering each other plus having supported by other eldian soldiers with ODM gear. There were too many worrying variables and unkown odds to stay there. Even if Mikasa and Eren assumed Reriner was out of power, Mikasa would've had to face massive negative odds: - Reiner may still had a little left to fight (takes time) - unknown number of soldiers around in building and rubbles - marleyan on the way, distance not known - exhasuted Eren to be protected (no ODM gear, no weapons, no more shifting) - no more Eldian soldiers left to support - they had little time left to return to the airship Probably the plan was to recover Eren as priority, then secondly to pickup Zeke on the way. All else like blowing up the navy or disabling marleyan shifters was to inscrease their chance to succeed, not to capture more titans (however if they could manage it was also welcome). They still had to focus on the plan, as soldiers especially, to follow orders and not to go stray and solo return to capture titan shifters. |
SHUBHAM019 said: @destroyerbinges @Gofigure SHUBHAM019 said: First thing is that it was not in their plan to capture him so they didn't went to do it. If you remember Mikasa and others were even sad in the scene when EREN was eating Lara tybur . So it's completely reasonable that they didn't want to do something which they don't want to do and is not a part of their plan which might also cause them trouble . I think why Eren left them would be cleared when we will get to know what was their actual plan . Since If Eren starts rumbling it is not going to matter if they are having Armoured Titan and jaw titan or not . This might help I'll put an end to this theory See how Armin drops on the roof??? So no, Eren didn't save him, and thus he survive the fall, making it PLOT ARMOR |
| I wasted all my time in rewatching to the point of my rewatch total is higher than my overall anime total lmao |
| Why is everyone easily obtain previous titan holder's memories but not Eren? When Eren use his original titan power, why can't he read his own future? Does that mean he moment he got the first titan, he died? and no one EVER get any titan power anymore? Doesn't make sense with CURRENT timeline. |
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aLotQuestion_ said: Why is everyone easily obtain previous titan holder's memories but not Eren? It seems shifters gain memory fragments from previous shifters at random periods. |
destroyerbinges said: Eren not being eaten by Santa Titan in Season 1. Ymir conveniently just waking up and being under the place where Annie,Reiner and Bertholdt were. Rod Reiss not killing everyone by transforming into the largest titan seen into the series so far, being 120 metres in size. Eren was masquerading as a part of the army in Marley and nobody thinking that some new guy joined. Eren not taking Reiner and Galliard's weakened bodies back to the airship after defeating Reiner in S4 Ep 8. The Colossal Titan's transformation in S2 not killing everyone immediately as Armin's Titan basically destroyed Marley's entire sea port while Bertholdt transforming did hardly any damage. AoT is a great show but it has a few plotholes. For the santa titan one, the reason eren didnt get killed and the santa titan didnt get his powers is becuase the santa titan just swallowed him whole and didnt digest his spinal fluids, as for betholdt's transformation in s2, a colossal shifter can choose to use a steam explosion or not. its not a must and if he did blow everyone up they would loose the founder and reiner would most likely be gravely injured or dead as well. idk about the other ones tho |
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Irritates said: The only one I can think of is the Colossal Titan simply vanishing in front of Eren on Episode 4. We know the colossal can controll how strongly he burns away his body so him just vanishing isn't a plothole. I think best case scenario we could say it seems very lucky for Berthold to have escaped unnoticed |
destroyerbinges said: Eren not being eaten by Santa Titan in Season 1. Ymir conveniently just waking up and being under the place where Annie,Reiner and Bertholdt were. Rod Reiss not killing everyone by transforming into the largest titan seen into the series so far, being 120 metres in size. Eren was masquerading as a part of the army in Marley and nobody thinking that some new guy joined. Eren not taking Reiner and Galliard's weakened bodies back to the airship after defeating Reiner in S4 Ep 8. The Colossal Titan's transformation in S2 not killing everyone immediately as Armin's Titan basically destroyed Marley's entire sea port while Bertholdt transforming did hardly any damage. AoT is a great show but it has a few plotholes. Someone a couple comments above answered the first few so I'm going to take on the rest Marley Army : they have literally a million soldiers. You think they can keep track of eren ? Eren also got support by Zeke and the people devoted to him like Yelena. So if eren got send to the camp and he just said " yo , I'm kruger, just coming from the frontline , all my friends are dead" nobody would suspect anything. There are propably many more people with the same story Reiner and Galliard: Eren himself says in that very scene that he is out of power and that he would not be able to kill reiner in this engagement. So how is this a plothole ? He also didn't really "defeat" reiner. If he was to attack him reiner would have fought back . But he didn't so reiner relaxed. Neither really had the strength to pursue the other . Also also . Taking an enemy titanshifter onto an air ship is essentially suicide. Colossal Titan: the colossal Titan can controll the strength of his explosion. Berthold told reiner to lay on his back when he explodes in hopes that reiner would survive this way ( Wich he did) . If berhold went full on Nuke mode it would have killed reiner and eren either way. We also know that their plan was to capture eren . Not kill him. It's actually essentiall to their plan that eren did not die in this As far as I know attack on titan has no actual plot holes. The best we could get at was that there are some few convenient circumstances for some situations |
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