General Discussion Thread (Spoilers)

Zprotu said:


90% of the 1s are from bots, and MAL's anti bot system makes it so that their ratings are not counted.
Same goes for the 10s made by bots. The stats page is not indicative of the actual title score which is currently 9.15 and is probably really accurate. If you do the math from the stats page if all the votes counted, the score would be around 8.9-9.0

keragamming said:


If Mappa does a good job you are in a rude awaking.

Lovlis said:


You’re right, but even still 7s, 8s, 9s etc will eventually balance out the scores a little (since it’s mostly fans who have rated). And then add in the haters who will give it like a 4 or smth (and there will be a lot of them)
It might beat FMAB for a bit but I was talking more about longer term.

keragamming said:


If we are going by season 3 part 2 which had ended since 2019, 3 more month will make 2 years since it aired, its at 9.09 and the material for this arc blows that one out of the water it means that we should be expecting a big percentage of 10s this season, that is if Mappa does a decent job with the future episodes. It also shows that snk staying power is there and the score has actual increase during these years than decrease, that is why I have a strong belief that if the final season surpass fmab its going to be up there for a long time.

What you should use as reference is the stats for season 3 part 2. https://myanimelist.net/anime/38524/Shingeki_no_Kyojin_Season_3_Part_2/stats

125k is a good enough sample size to have an idea on where it will be, I think the 10/10 will definitely be above 50%.

If Mappa keeps this up I am expecting a continue rise in score until it ends, I predict when it ends its going to be at 9.30-9.40.

Those 7s,8s &9s I personally believe will be lower than season 3 part 2, if it ends at chapter 122, this will be the craziest and best moment in the series.

Lovlis said:

I wish MAL rankings actually reflect the quality and content of the show. But often, they do not.

1) the storyline is amazing, the manga is a masterpiece. But there are a good number of people who disliked the change, both in the story and in Eren’s character. It’s BETTER than the last three seasons but it is DIFFERENT and fans who were looking for smth similar to s1-s3 might be disappointed.

2) s3 part 2 could have been higher than 9.09 if not for the glitch and FMAB suddenly dropped in score, causing a lot of downvoting to the anime, and it sort of never really recovered. This is similarly happening to s4, but because of the anti bot system it’s not as bad. But s3 p2 only has around 3K 1s, while s4 has 4.3 1s that are increasing more and more. And s3p2 also has a larger audience. Tbh the hate is so much this early on, and I think it’ll only increase.

3) most people who are this early are fans tbh. It’s a little not reflective of overall reception.

4) number of 7 8 9 probably might decrease but there are other factors, like petty manga fans and fans who don’t rlly like the turn.

That being said I’ll gladly be wrong, I wouldn’t mind FMAB being passed

hinako49 said:

From weibo:

'Finally.....I could take a breath of relief. As an AOT fan myself, I am looking forward to the Sunday broadcast like you all do. 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭'

hinako49 said:

From weibo:

'Finally.....I could take a breath of relief. As an AOT fan myself, I am looking forward to the Sunday broadcast like you all do. 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭'

hinako49 said:

From weibo:

'Finally.....I could take a breath of relief. As an AOT fan myself, I am looking forward to the Sunday broadcast like you all do. 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭'

Zprotu said:



Interesting, they finished this episode about 2.5 days before the airing date. All things considered production wise, that's pretty good. I'm looking forward to seeing their hard work!

hinako49 said:

From weibo:

'Finally.....I can take a breath of relief. As an AOT fan myself, I am looking forward to the Sunday broadcast like you all do. 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭'

Harsha1314 said:
And honestly, the inbetweening took nearly 4 months to finish..... I'm going to pray for them and quite hopefully, they will deliver (insert crying emoji since I can't since I'm using my laptop)

Zprotu said:


Does inbetweening take that long for any episode? Seems unusually long. Hopefully this means that there are long sakuga action sequences that required such extensive inbetweening. Whatever the case, something is definitely super smooth in this upcoming episode, and that is never a bad thing!

I'm ready to see some MAPPA flair being rubbed off on AOT!

Zprotu said:


Does inbetweening take that long for any episode? Seems unusually long. Hopefully this means that there are long sakuga action sequences that required such extensive inbetweening. Whatever the case, something is definitely super smooth in this upcoming episode, and that is never a bad thing!

I'm ready to see some MAPPA flair being rubbed off on AOT!

Harsha1314 said:
Yes I don't really know how long inbetweening takes, but Eslam confirmed it started back in August.......... And as we know he is almost always right, and he has been confidently hyping this episode for quite a while now.....
Something to take into account

berutoruto said:
Do you guys think we can get some leaks tonight or tomorrow? since he probably just submitted this episode today

Edylson said:


I don't think the leakers will risk it, and its for the best. We should go blind with this one

Edylson said:


I don't think the leakers will risk it, and its for the best. We should go blind with this one

hinako49 said:

From weibo:

'Finally.....I can take a breath of relief. As an AOT fan myself, I am looking forward to the Sunday broadcast like you all do. 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭'

berutoruto said:


True, hopefully the CGI is done well...

@dompsterfire i think it's already completed today, Cao just posted this while ago

Zprotu said:


90% of the 1s are from bots, and MAL's anti bot system makes it so that their ratings are not counted.
Same goes for the 10s made by bots. The stats page is not indicative of the actual title score which is currently 9.15 and is probably really accurate. If you do the math from the stats page if all the votes counted, the score would be around 8.9-9.0

Bhaskar_Singh said:
How does this website distinguish b/w bots and not bots?

keragamming said:


If Mappa delivers on episode 6, I think there is a strong chance that it will be #1 before episode 7 airs. Episode 5 really push it from 9.07 to 9.15, its not impossible to see the same for episode 6 which is an action episode.

HistleChif said:


There is one thing I know for certain. Episode 16 of season 4 WILL dethrone Fmab, I don't know if it'll be permanently, but it will happen.

keragamming said:


As I said early I think it will dethrone fmab before it even ends and I think if episode 6 does just as well as episode 5 or even better it can surpass fmab before episode 7 airs. It jump from 9.07 to 9.15 in just 4 days! That is insane and it keep going up.

I told someone its possible that when this season ends it will be at 9.30-9.40 and he call me delusional, the fact that one single episode can push it to 9.15 tells me that it doesn't seem like fiction at all.

As there are many more future hype episodes to come, but I can't stress that it all depends on how Mappa adapts these chapters. Episode 6 will be a good test and indication for me.

Snk final season just need to keep the momentum and these next 3 episodes definitely can.

Lovlis said:


Honestly I’m pleased with mappa.
But a lot of fans already aren’t the most happy with cgi and other petty topics, and that’s the fans. I hope I’m proven wrong.

Altho I still don’t think it can beat FMAB long term.

berutoruto said:


Thanks bro, your news is the only thing that keep me coming to this forum lol

keragamming said:


As I said early I think it will dethrone fmab before it even ends and I think if episode 6 does just as well as episode 5 or even better it can surpass fmab before episode 7 airs. It jump from 9.07 to 9.15 in just 4 days! That is insane and it keep going up.

I told someone its possible that when this season ends it will be at 9.30-9.40 and he call me delusional, the fact that one single episode can push it to 9.15 tells me that it doesn't seem like fiction at all.

As there are many more future hype episodes to come, but I can't stress that it all depends on how Mappa adapts these chapters. Episode 6 will be a good test and indication for me.

Snk final season just need to keep the momentum and these next 3 episodes definitely can.

MAQS said:


Dont take this the wrong way, but you clearly were not around when S3p2 surpassed FMA.


At the end of the season, when all its said and done, the rating will go down.

It will probably be number 1 at ep 16, but shortly afterward because of the influx of new people who are for the most part, casual fans, unlike us, the score will go down.

Its just the way this works, fans score things early while casuals later.

keragamming said:


As I said early I think it will dethrone fmab before it even ends and I think if episode 6 does just as well as episode 5 or even better it can surpass fmab before episode 7 airs. It jump from 9.07 to 9.15 in just 4 days! That is insane and it keep going up.

I told someone its possible that when this season ends it will be at 9.30-9.40 and he call me delusional, the fact that one single episode can push it to 9.15 tells me that it doesn't seem like fiction at all.

As there are many more future hype episodes to come, but I can't stress that it all depends on how Mappa adapts these chapters. Episode 6 will be a good test and indication for me.

Snk final season just need to keep the momentum and these next 3 episodes definitely can.

Peeti said:
s3p2 never passed Fmab. Which weed you are on?

Krugerman said:


If I rmbr correctly s3p2 ep 5 was completed an hour before it aired, I'm surprised evep 6-10 was still quite good with a horrendous schedule

keragamming said:

What you should use as reference is the stats for season 3 part 2. https://myanimelist.net/anime/38524/Shingeki_no_Kyojin_Season_3_Part_2/stats

125k is a good enough sample size to have an idea on where it will be, I think the 10/10 will definitely be above 50%.

If Mappa keeps this up I am expecting a continue rise in score until it ends, I predict when it ends its going to be at 9.30-9.40.

Those 7s,8s &9s I personally believe will be lower than season 3 part 2, if it ends at chapter 122, this will be the craziest and best moment in the series.

ShiveshTheBeast said:
Can Eren surpass Levi in Favourites?

Blackkatsu001 said:
Do you guys think Mr cao is capable of directing such a big episode ? Idk im kinda worried, he doesn't have much experiecene, like he directed just one episode in all his life.

Blackkatsu001 said:
Do you guys think Mr cao is capable of directing such a big episode ? Idk im kinda worried, he doesn't have much experiecene, like he directed just one episode in all his life.

PrasantGrG said:


I heavily doubt that claim. Episode 5 was definitely done early ESPECIALLY considering how important the sakuga moments were. S3P2 had a bad schedule but we can be pretty certain the main episodes were done earlier i.e 5, 6 and 10. They were teasing a portion of episode 6 back when S3 ended and ocean was teased in episode 1 of S3. Those shots seem to have been reused as well.

PrasantGrG said:


I heavily doubt that claim. Episode 5 was definitely done early ESPECIALLY considering how important the sakuga moments were. S3P2 had a bad schedule but we can be pretty certain the main episodes were done earlier i.e 5, 6 and 10. They were teasing a portion of episode 6 back when S3 ended and ocean was teased in episode 1 of S3. Those shots seem to have been reused as well.

shingojira-chan said:
CG in the first episode wasn't done by this Cao person right ?

MAQS said:


Sorry, you clearly were around S3p2

And yet you still believe such a high score will stick?

MAQS said:

At the end of the season, when all its said and done, the rating will go down.

It will probably be number 1 at ep 16, but shortly afterward because of the influx of new people who are for the most part, casual fans, unlike us, the score will go down.

Its just the way this works, fans score things early while casuals later.

deg said:


no it was a 3DCG studio called V-Sign

shingojira-chan said:

Can we expect a difference ? In quality ?

PrasantGrG said:


It's guaranteed to stick no.1 outside of an absolute collapse in production. Production collapses have never affected AoT as heavy due to the fact the material is so great. AoT S1 was in top 10 for quite some time. And you know how the perception of AoT eventually turned into overrated soon after S1.

If it doesn't stick it'll be due to a poor manga ending which will negatively affect reception of previous seasons. (TPN S2 is our best example of this)

Also another reminder that MAL didn't have an anti trolling system back when S3P2 aired so it's score dropped much more dramatically.

FMAB fans managed to drop AoT's score by 0.04 in 24 hrs when the glitch happened as well. This sort of brigading won't happen anymore.



You're underestimating how big of a lead AoT will have made by then. This season's MAL score actually started much lower than I expected, it's actually making ground now. If the adaptation was as strong as WIT's in pacing and had 2D titan animation, I'm fairly confident it'd have started at worst 9.2 due to it being much more hyped and the material being better than S3P2.

The start for this season was very low considering S3P2 managed to peak at 9.17 on episode 1 before dropping to around 9.04 and climbing from Episode 4.

This season would've had a trajectory of roughly around 9.2>9.1>9.2+ already and I'd be going around saying 9.4 long term easy with a better paced + better production for 2D titans. CGI backlash and pacing issues are the main reason it didn't start as well but anyways the strength of the source material is still showing in the score.

I don't think MAPPA's adaptation could give a shot for 9.4 long term but 9.3 long term is something I'm pretty confident to say.

Fun fact since episode 5 dropped the average score has has around 9.6ish and in the first 2 days it was 9.8ish. A 0.07/8 boost in score with only 20% increase in members is unheard of. S3P2 biggest 1 week gain was +.05

If each episode let's say continues to push the score at anything around 9.3 or higher which imo guaranteed while it's airing and it'll be 9.5+ for the better episodes and a 9.8/9 finale boost. I see it ending close to 9.4 and slow decline.

Currently the score is 9.15 (9.14 but there were like 200 1s in couple of hrs I'm guessing it'll be fixed soon) with 125k votes.


If the average score from now till the end is 9.45 and there are roughly 220k new votes from today it'll have a score of 9.34.

Reasons why I think this season will get that many new votes by it ends. S1-S3P2 received 40k votes and 60k new members in the last 20 days, meaning new watchers are joining and there's roughly another 3 months till it ends meaning we can be confident it will grow faster so 220k new votes is a reserved estimate at this point and we aren't even at major fight scenes so growth could accelerate.

You could suppose I'm jumping to conclusions but usually by the time a series ends for recently aired stuff. Roughly half of the total members lists it as completed and the scored amount 85-90% of the completed amount.
AoT would require 800k members to hit my estimated numbers. Currently at 490k (as I stated earlier the previous seasons gained 60k members in 20 days) so 270k+ members just from that is possible for S4 meaning only 40k extra members would be required at that point, MAL member inflation should easily enable that.

These member numbers are seemingly conservative as well considering how little dropoff there was from S3 to S3P2 and how large of an Internet presence this season has had.

Survey corps entrance, Levi fight, 2 major huge cliffhangers, Character death moments, and Finale will all help maintain its Internet presence while it airs.


After it ends is the hard part to predict, manga end can change perception of the anime as well in the long run so yeah. If the manga ending isn't an issue, I can see it climbing even after it ends for a while and only stabilize well above 9.25 in the course of years

deg said:


i got no idea but he did well on Dorohedoro they say but i have not watch that 3DCG anime though