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Jun 19, 2020 2:17 PM

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(1) Combat
hmmm. I wonder what gave you the impression that Emilia cannot fight?
Remember she takes on Betelguese and manages to easily defeat him in attempt to save the villagers?. In the first arc (during her fight with Elsa in the loot house) she does not use her full power because Subaru was very close by and she did not want to hurt him. She could've totally destroyed the whole slum area if she had used her full power.


To add to this, the author of the series himself did a ranking of the characters.

In terms of tiered Ranking, Emilia is an A-tier, Rem in full horn mode is a B-tier. Emilia is the stronger in combat power and she has an immense reservoir of mana. Rem has more physical strength, which is to say she can beat Emilia in arm wrestling. On a 1 to 1 combat Rem is easily defeated by Emilia.

Also a small addition, the Awakened Form of Emilia has the BIGGEST mana pool in the ENTIRE series among all characters so this should be taken in consideration ^-^
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Emilia is the way to go. EMT Emilia Tan Maji Tenshi!!! :D
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Both. I equally like rem and emilia the same. Couldn't subaru just use polygamy and marry them both.
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Both. I equally like rem and emilia the same. Couldn't subaru just use polygamy and marry them both.


That's bad. Makes it seem like both Rem and Emilia are just collectible objects and don't have any self-worth. And it nullifies all character development and growth for Rem, Emilia and Subaru. And makes that entire episode 18 and Rem's mature character development seem worthless. And it makes Subaru look like an indecisive and immature dickhead.

Now, I support Emilia, but I'd rather prefer Subaru ending up with only Rem, as opposed to polygamy.

It's better if Emilia finds a man who loves her and her only. And dedicates his entire time, attention and affection to only one girl.

It's better for Rem too, if she finds a man who dedicates himself entirely for her, rather than a dickhead who divides his time and love between two women.

How would Subaru feel if Emilia (or Rem) decided to marry two husbands? Maybe Subaru & Julius or Subaru & Reinhard (they're way better looking, stronger and mature compared to Subaru. And they have respectable social standing)? How will he feel if she decides to get intimate (and sleep) with another man?

Would Subaru be happy in that sort of a relationship?

That's not happiness. And that's not a good ending for a well written series with well written characters like Re:Zero. It would be acceptable in other generic fantasy shows or other Isekai shows.


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Jun 21, 2020 10:41 AM
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Aavy said:
rem is lot better than emilia .she can fight,is cute,not dumb and overall better than emilia


emilia can fight, shes quite cute but pretty dumb, so yea overall better than emilia
Jun 21, 2020 2:12 PM
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RyanFlare2 said:

emilia can fight, shes quite cute but pretty dumb, so yea overall better than emilia


Well, Emilia is not dumb. But she's very immature and somewhat socially awkward (as in someone who cannot read the air).

But it makes perfect sense given her tragic backstory and the kind of background she comes from.

She's uneducated. And compared to Rem and Subaru who're 18 years old, Emilia's actually just 14 years old mentally. Out of those 14 years, she has no memories of the first 7 years of her life. (Boom "something" tragic happened) The next 7 years she was shunned away by the society due to her striking resemblance to the "Witch" and was forced to live all alone in a forest with Puck as sole companion, before eventually Roswaal picked her from the forest few months prior to the start of Season 1.

Her backstory is pretty complicated. But it's very important because that "something" is connected to the core plot of Re:Zero. Season 2 will be throwing some light on it.


Frozen bonds OVA also covered some parts of her backstory, but it mainly just focused on how she met Puck and why he calls her "daughter".


Despite all the tragedy in her life, she's very pure, innocent and kind-hearted. She's the perfect example of an underdog main character and Re:Zero's entire story is about her slow development and growth as a person (alongside Subaru) to potentially become the next ruler of the country. (meanwhile also uncovering the mysteries surrounding her own existence and connection to the "Witch")
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Rom > Ram > Rem

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Although I haven't read the WN/LN, I prefer Emilia over Rem, I actually like them both but it has been always Emilia for me. I found her to be more rational and has more personality than Rem, and the fact that I don't like girls who are too obsessed over their love interest.

And after reading the comments, I'm glad that Emilia will have her time to shine in S2.
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Ram of course
I hope Emilia get more screentime and character development in s2 tho
Jun 23, 2020 6:00 AM
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Emilia was a frustatingly bad character, so Rem wins by default.

And lol @ people saying Ram, she's even more irrelevant and useless.
Jun 23, 2020 6:33 AM

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Ram is a great character and she's got her fair share of development in Arc 4 and future arcs too, same as Emilia. Rem is the waifu-bait Sleeping Beauty.
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Jun 23, 2020 11:22 AM
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Neither, Pastrache is best girl.
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Only got 1 word to say.

BOTH.
Jun 24, 2020 6:38 AM
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Just made an account to say Emilia was and always be the best girl. And as a veteran Otaku I can assure you that I've never ever seen a Supporting character end up with a main character. Rem is just a supporting character, no matter how popular she gets, she will never become the main character. Just like after Dragon ball super Vegeta became and currently is more popular than Goku but sadly he will never be able to become more powerful than goku,every time when it's looks like it's vegetas time to shine, Goku comes and steals that chance. Every main Antagonist is either defeated by Goku or they both fuse together but it's never Vegeta. Subaru x Emilia, a match made in Heaven by the god himself(author of the Light novel).
Jun 24, 2020 8:17 AM

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why does this post not have a poll....................
Jun 24, 2020 8:35 AM

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why does this post not have a poll....................

Quite simple, it's a troll post and people fall for bait. I think passing one's time is a better way to put it.
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I just want to say that, for those people who are supporting Rem over Emilia because Emilia was basically useless in the first season, you'd be very wrong to support her with that argument. If it's any other reason out of several more to choose Rem over her, then it's fine but if its really because Rem got more screen time or she seemed more strong because Emilia was never given chance to show her strength, then you'd be ultimately proved wrong if second season will follow the story according to LN/WN because without going in spoiler territory, Rem will be basically useless for the rest of the story, both in WN and LN and it'll be Emilia who will steal the spotlight. So if you are supporting Rem, don't bring Emilia's strength/her usefulness/screentime into your arguments.
Jun 25, 2020 1:05 AM
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Emillian said:
Aavy said:
damn...... That's one long ass message. To each their own though i cant bring myself to like emilia

just wait until season 2...the story didn't even began (like seriously...the first season adapted just 15% of the novel this far so this should be considered for future refference ;) )


Yes season 1 barely covered anything. From Season 2 Emilia will be the star for a long long time. I was too a huge Rem shipper until I read the Web Novel. Though Emilia is dense and pretty exasperating in romantic aspects with Subaru and I don't care about that "But she's XX years of age physically and XX years of age mentally" bs. That shit never works. If it comes to romantic aspects, I'll always favour Rem but in everything else Emilia is just superb. Think of her the characters who don't know their true potential until later and this time, not only will she strike but strike mercilessly even with that adorable face of hers. But guess what, we'll even have a new star - Beako
Jun 25, 2020 7:34 AM
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Emilia. Rem is too clingy & stalkerish, Subaru actually has to work for Emilia's love and it makes it a lot cuter.
Jun 25, 2020 9:18 AM
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i like rem in this season.... plisss
Jun 25, 2020 5:13 PM
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Rem is good girl, but Emilia is the best.
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I love Rem a lot and I think she is best girl.

While Subaru x Rem is my OTP even I could see from the start that Subaru x Emilia is meant to be endgame.

I find the same problem with both this series and the Devil is a Part-timer Chiho and Rem make better love interests than the main ones.

I love both Emi AND Emilia, but I hate the fact writers often make the supporting love interests more interesting and fun to watch and for me its painful cause I know they are just there for stupid love triangle drama and that they never stood a chance to begin with. At least all the series I've read... =/

But I think its lame to hate on a character just cause they get in the way of a ship. Emilia is pretty damn fine in her own right and I hope this season gives her more development cause she was barely in the first season once Rem got involved.
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Jun 25, 2020 7:51 PM
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Roloko said:

I find the same problem with both this series and the Devil is a Part-timer

I hope your opinion changes after Season 2 ends.


Emilia is pretty damn fine in her own right and I hope this season gives her more development cause she was barely in the first season once Rem got involved.


In season 1 Emilia was shrouded in mystery and we don't find out much about her. Whereas Rem got all her backstory and she flipped from brutally murdering Subaru to dying for him in literally just 2-3 episodes, which feels too rushed and unrealistic imo.

But that had to be done because Rem's character had to be flushed out quickly for the sake of furthering Subaru's growth and that Episode 18 "starting from zero" title drop, and also due to plot convenience (basically
) Hence it was important to develop her quickly.

But season 2 and beyond, Emilia is the primary focus. And her development is more gradual and more realistic.


I love both Emi AND Emilia, but I hate the fact writers often make the supporting love interests more interesting and fun to watch and for me its painful cause I know they are just there for stupid love triangle drama and that they never stood a chance to begin with. At least all the series I've read... =/

Agreed. This is true with many light novels.

However, I know both the series in question pretty well so let me assure you that Emilia x Subaru is pretty much a real deal and very endearing to watch (unlike Mao X Emi or other main ships in few other series, which are just there for namesake imo).

Emilia is a great heroine. I like Yusa and I'm not saying she's bad. But Emilia's involvement in the overall story & plot, her goals/ambition, her struggles, and her backstory, everything is just too good. Emilia's character is pretty well written and thought out, and her gradual growth alongside Subaru works wonders.
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Rem anyday. She's done so much more than Emilia, I have literally no idea how people prefer the latter one.
I don't dislike Emilia but Rem & Subaru deserve to be a thing.
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Rem, who tf would choose Emilia?!
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Emilia. Easily. Great design. Great personality. Season 2 belongs to her.
Rem is trash. Average design. Tortures and kills people. Obssesed. Crazy bitch.
Jul 5, 2020 2:06 AM

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Rem, who tf would choose Emilia?!

The rest of the world that read the LN? And people with common sense that doesn't support psychopaths or mentally turbulent fellas?
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teisseire said:
Rem anyday. She's done so much more than Emilia, I have literally no idea how people prefer the latter one.
I don't dislike Emilia but Rem & Subaru deserve to be a thing.

> she done so much more than Emilia

Meanwhile Emilia saving him from streets at the moment where he didn't even know where he was, giving him an honored guest title in a goddamn HUGE mansion, gave him the choice to choose between a life of luxury or a job at a mansion, morally supported him in many ocasions (like in ep 8 when he was trying so hard to look perfect in their eyes but he was overheating from the stress that he could get denied or be killed by that mindless beast again because he looked suspicious).

Meanwhile Rem helped him ONLY in the battle against the whale and supported him 2 or maximum 3 times when he looked downed even tho those times when he got depressed they were also her fault because hey she can't stay tf alive and everytime she taunts enemies like she's some sort of berserker even tho she died or lost her mind countless times because she can't use her brain. I'm not really surprised that her sister is considered better than her ... at least Ram uses her brain when needed but Rem always thinks that violence and brute force can clean the mess they got into.
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Emillian said:
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Rem anyday. She's done so much more than Emilia, I have literally no idea how people prefer the latter one.
I don't dislike Emilia but Rem & Subaru deserve to be a thing.

> she done so much more than Emilia

Meanwhile Emilia saving him from streets at the moment where he didn't even know where he was, giving him an honored guest title in a goddamn HUGE mansion, gave him the choice to choose between a life of luxury or a job at a mansion, morally supported him in many ocasions (like in ep 8 when he was trying so hard to look perfect in their eyes but he was overheating from the stress that he could get denied or be killed by that mindless beast again because he looked suspicious).

Meanwhile Rem helped him ONLY in the battle against the whale and supported him 2 or maximum 3 times when he looked downed even tho those times when he got depressed they were also her fault because hey she can't stay tf alive and everytime she taunts enemies like she's some sort of berserker even tho she died or lost her mind countless times because she can't use her brain. I'm not really surprised that her sister is considered better than her ... at least Ram uses her brain when needed but Rem always thinks that violence and brute force can clean the mess they got into.


Take a deep breath and repeat after me :
"It's just anime characters, no point being so hateful over them"

I won't bother arguing with the others things you say because you're obviously being dishonest, and when I see your profile picture, username, signature, I know what kind of fan I'm dealing with and I don't have time for this shit.
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teisseire said:
Emillian said:

> she done so much more than Emilia

Meanwhile Emilia saving him from streets at the moment where he didn't even know where he was, giving him an honored guest title in a goddamn HUGE mansion, gave him the choice to choose between a life of luxury or a job at a mansion, morally supported him in many ocasions (like in ep 8 when he was trying so hard to look perfect in their eyes but he was overheating from the stress that he could get denied or be killed by that mindless beast again because he looked suspicious).

Meanwhile Rem helped him ONLY in the battle against the whale and supported him 2 or maximum 3 times when he looked downed even tho those times when he got depressed they were also her fault because hey she can't stay tf alive and everytime she taunts enemies like she's some sort of berserker even tho she died or lost her mind countless times because she can't use her brain. I'm not really surprised that her sister is considered better than her ... at least Ram uses her brain when needed but Rem always thinks that violence and brute force can clean the mess they got into.


Take a deep breath and repeat after me :
"It's just anime characters, no point being so hateful over them"

I won't bother arguing with the others things you say because you're obviously being dishonest, and when I see your profile picture, username, signature, I know what kind of fan I'm dealing with and I don't have time for this shit.

That moment when I'm bringing you irrefutable FACTS about these 2 characters but you are still denying them hitting me with the classic "yeah you have these photos, your objective look it's automatically rejected".
Also "Take a deep breath and repeat after me :
"It's just anime characters, no point being so hateful over them"" excuse me but you came here to a forum where opinions are presented and also we can debate them with logical arguments and facts and if u aren't able to understand this simple concept of "objectivity" when it comes to this kind of arguments then I think my work is already done here. Thanks ^-^ (also dishonest? please rewatch the anime for yourself and tell me if I lie, I'm very intrigued by the fact that you made me A LIAR even tho you aren't able to bring me proof that I lied or what i said is not true...that's a shame)
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Emilia, obviously.
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Jul 5, 2020 3:06 AM

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Emillian said:
teisseire said:


Take a deep breath and repeat after me :
"It's just anime characters, no point being so hateful over them"

I won't bother arguing with the others things you say because you're obviously being dishonest, and when I see your profile picture, username, signature, I know what kind of fan I'm dealing with and I don't have time for this shit.

That moment when I'm bringing you irrefutable FACTS about these 2 characters but you are still denying them hitting me with the classic "yeah you have these photos, your objective look it's automatically rejected".
Also "Take a deep breath and repeat after me :
"It's just anime characters, no point being so hateful over them"" excuse me but you came here to a forum where opinions are presented and also we can debate them with logical arguments and facts and if u aren't able to understand this simple concept of "objectivity" when it comes to this kind of arguments then I think my work is already done here. Thanks ^-^ (also dishonest? please rewatch the anime for yourself and tell me if I lie, I'm very intrigued by the fact that you made me A LIAR even tho you aren't able to bring me proof that I lied or what i said is not true...that's a shame)


I didn't even bother reading your paragraph I already know it's filled of sophisms.
I'm really being honest with you right now, if you don't realize how crazy you're getting over an anime character I can't do anything else for you.
This is the last time I reply to you, I bothered doing so because you're obviously not realizing how ridiculous you are right now and maybe you'll do after this, but this'll be the last time. I'm not arguing with toxic people, over something as peaceful as an anime.
Wake up.
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teisseire said:
Emillian said:

That moment when I'm bringing you irrefutable FACTS about these 2 characters but you are still denying them hitting me with the classic "yeah you have these photos, your objective look it's automatically rejected".
Also "Take a deep breath and repeat after me :
"It's just anime characters, no point being so hateful over them"" excuse me but you came here to a forum where opinions are presented and also we can debate them with logical arguments and facts and if u aren't able to understand this simple concept of "objectivity" when it comes to this kind of arguments then I think my work is already done here. Thanks ^-^ (also dishonest? please rewatch the anime for yourself and tell me if I lie, I'm very intrigued by the fact that you made me A LIAR even tho you aren't able to bring me proof that I lied or what i said is not true...that's a shame)


I didn't even bother reading your paragraph I already know it's filled of sophisms.
I'm really being honest with you right now, if you don't realize how crazy you're getting over an anime character I can't do anything else for you.
This is the last time I reply to you, I bothered doing so because you're obviously not realizing how ridiculous you are right now and maybe you'll do after this, but this'll be the last time. I'm not arguing with toxic people, over something as peaceful as an anime.
Wake up.

And again...dodging everything I said and continuing with this denial
I was only trying to have a cool and logical discussion about them...guess i don't have someone that i could speak to it seems....don't worry, season 2 will wake y'all up sooner or later, maybe then you will realize what's your position in this argument after all.
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Both of the characters are great but In all the anime i have seen so far Rem is #1 in my list/heart. And i honestly think that this will not change in the future as well.
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However Rem will not be as close to Subaru as Emilia is to Subaru. No matter how much Rem loves Subaru, this is a cruel fact which we have to accept. I personally want them to be together but sadly i am not the writer of the story.
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teisseire said:
I didn't even bother reading your paragraph I already know it's filled of sophisms.
I'm really being honest with you right now, if you don't realize how crazy you're getting over an anime character I can't do anything else for you.
This is the last time I reply to you, I bothered doing so because you're obviously not realizing how ridiculous you are right now and maybe you'll do after this, but this'll be the last time. I'm not arguing with toxic people, over something as peaceful as an anime.
Wake up.

What's the point of coming in an opinion forum in a thread about REM VS EMILIA if you can't even bother to read what people want to say about said characters? Person above tried to tell FACTS and you just attacked the person directly without even reading what they've wrote to you!

Having a favorite anime character isn't toxic.
Not bothering to read and directly attacking the person is. Is there a stronger sophism than that?
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Emilia will always be the girl for me.
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Emilia for the fact it makes sense on a storytelling pesperctive. I personally don't really care about who is the best girl objectively (specially because this matter is completely subjective), I care what it makes the story better. And since from the first episode until now, the show have provided enough reasons to make Subaru love Emilia, this is what I'm gonna support. Changing that would only hurt the story
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Why isn't this a poll? Lol

Anyways, season 2 will be enough to prove to all Rem stans why Emilia is the main girl.
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Why isn't this a poll? Lol



Because of this reason:

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Quite simple, it's a troll post and people fall for bait. I think passing one's time is a better way to put it.
Jul 7, 2020 5:06 AM
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In a war for rem or emilia, I chose BEATRICE
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Wow, all is bombarding all, but wtf! Who cares about Emilia. Rem is a Gem!
I'm glad I took part in this holy war. Even though we are now in different camps. The plea for peace is always an option (you knew what I mean by that H...A...R..E.M ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) )
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Emilia, Rem is fine but overrated af, and her fandom is sooo toxic.
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I'm glad I took part in this holy war. Even though we are now in different camps. The plea for peace is always an option (you knew what I mean by that H...A...R..E.M ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) )

Fun fact, Re:Zero has an harem IF story, including all the throne candidates and Rem. It's pretty bad since it was just a joke from the author but it still exists.
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I actually really like them both. I don't get why people just choose one and then despise the other on a huge level. I do like Rem a little better, but I also really like Emilia. Maybe my opinion will change and I might like Emilia better during this next season, but from season 1 I did like Rem a bit better. Emilia is still a great character though and I really like her. I think most Rem fans hate Emilia because Subaru chose her over Rem, but it literally wouldn't make any sense for Subaru to be in love with Rem over Emilia. Emilia was the first person Subaru felt safe with after getting transported to another world and discovering this strange and frightening ability he wields. He's been through a lot, and Emilia is the first person in this new world who he felt safe with, so can you really blame him? Emilia is also really nice and cute, so who wouldn't like her? Anyway, I like them both. Both are great characters, I don't hate either of them.
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Emilia is easily best girl and Rem is overrated as hell
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Emilia is easily best girl and Rem is overrated as hell

I wouldn't say that Rem is overrated but that Emilia is underrated since she didn't get her development just yet.
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of course its fucking emilia
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Pleasantly surprising how Emilia's getting love nowadays, back when S1 was airing we were like rare breeds.
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