| inb4 hitler actually did nothing wrong just wanted to better humanity and the genocide was an unfortunate circumstance |
| It's good that Slop leveling won the CR awards with such a power gap, Gaijin Weebs don't deserve good anime. Not after what they did to frieren, kusuriya, and many others |
| now thats what I call edgy |
| rieri is 25 and minami tanaka is 23 excuse me what |
| It's good that Slop leveling won the CR awards with such a power gap, Gaijin Weebs don't deserve good anime. Not after what they did to frieren, kusuriya, and many others |
| Redline takes place in 1945 right? So why are the two Masters clearly from late 90s and 00s? |
| well no we dont have confirmation its taking place in 1945 PER SE unless im missing some news https://www.reddit.com/r/grandorder/comments/e8lx1k/fatetype_redline_groupshot_of_servants_and_masters/ idk anymore tbh |
| It's good that Slop leveling won the CR awards with such a power gap, Gaijin Weebs don't deserve good anime. Not after what they did to frieren, kusuriya, and many others |
Well, the very first page in the preview says "Showa 20". The 20th year of the Showa period is 1945. Keikenchi also said this manga doesn't tie into any existing Fate, and this includes Koha-Ace Imperial Capital Grail War. This also means that this doesn't take place in any timeline we currently have. This isn't the 3rd HGW of the F/SN or Apo, they're making this very clear because of how tied that exact date to existing events in existing timelines. No idea why the masters are wearing modern clothes, though. The preview could be showing us a flashback of a past event to the story and not the actual to.e or takes place. |
| inb4 inconclusive HGW that resumes in modern times with the same Servants. |
| Nice meme |
| It's good that Slop leveling won the CR awards with such a power gap, Gaijin Weebs don't deserve good anime. Not after what they did to frieren, kusuriya, and many others |
For some reason I always imagined Ushi to be on the shorter side for female servants(maybe it was her in-game art) and her being surrounded by much taller male servants, but nah she's actually on the taller spectrum. https://gamewith.net/fgo/article/show/2998 |
-MahesvaraDec 12, 2019 11:33 PM
My Queens  |
| >168 das a bruh shes taller than drake lmao ok joto mate shes also taller than alter LMAO how is altera 160 jesus christ |
Mei-o_ScarlettDec 12, 2019 11:47 PM
| It's good that Slop leveling won the CR awards with such a power gap, Gaijin Weebs don't deserve good anime. Not after what they did to frieren, kusuriya, and many others |
| Ushi wears tall shoes though. |
| Her height in fgo profile still says 168 anyways So if anything Just means we're taller than ushi |
| It's good that Slop leveling won the CR awards with such a power gap, Gaijin Weebs don't deserve good anime. Not after what they did to frieren, kusuriya, and many others |
ShinsoPriest said: Ushi wears tall shoes though. This. Melt's height is 190 cm in her profile because, like Ushi, they add more than just her original height. Ushi is pretty tall for her build, but she's not as tall as Ritsuka and she's certainly not as tall as Scathach. |
| :thonk: so what youre saying is she isnt taller than drake or altera? feelsbad |
| It's good that Slop leveling won the CR awards with such a power gap, Gaijin Weebs don't deserve good anime. Not after what they did to frieren, kusuriya, and many others |
astroprogs said: But Melt's death legs are her actual legs tho, they are part of her body. But funny enough, they don't count towards her weight.ShinsoPriest said: Ushi wears tall shoes though. This. Melt's height is 190 cm in her profile because, like Ushi, they add more than just her original height. |
My Queens |
-Mahesvara said: astroprogs said: But Melt's death legs are her actual legs tho, they are part of her body. But funny enough, they don't count towards her weight.This. Melt's height is 190 cm in her profile because, like Ushi, they add more than just her original height. Summer Melt makes the legs akin to a prosthetic. Like a legwear, in a sort. In fact, that's exactly what her profile says: "Her height has changed because of her heels coming off. " A bit more straightforward example is Okta and Okita Alter. Okita's hight in her profile is 158 cm, while Okitan's is 163 cm, solely thanks to her shoes. |
astroprogs said: Well Melt can't effectively reshape her legs since her body is made of water she can control, so she can edit her appearance as she wishes as far as I know. Also we should take whatever lore summer servants add with a grain of salt.-Mahesvara said: But Melt's death legs are her actual legs tho, they are part of her body. But funny enough, they don't count towards her weight. Summer Melt makes the legs akin to a prosthetic. Like a legwear, in a sort. In fact, that's exactly what her profile says: "Her height has changed because of her heels coming off. " A bit more straightforward example is Okta and Okita Alter. Okita's hight in her profile is 158 cm, while Okitan's is 163 cm, solely thanks to her shoes. Well Okita Alter is said to have a larger bust than OG Okita too, her measurements as a whole are slighty bigger. Okitan and Okita aren't exactly 1:1, cause Okitan didn't suffer and die from sickness at a young age and thus her prime extended much further so she's a bit older than OG Okita. |
My Queens |
| Let's use some better examples, Summer Jeanne is listed at 159cm and she's not in heels, Jalter is listed at 159cm and she's in heels. Eresh and Ishtar are both at 159cm and Eresh is in heels, while Ishtar is barefooted. So I don't really think shoes/heels are taken into consideration regarding servant height. |
My Queens |
| Summer Ushi herself is also listed at 168 cm and her heels are a bit shorter than her normal version. |
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| Babylonia episode 11 PV: https://twitter.com/FGOAP_ep7/status/1205429627394510853 -Mahesvara said: Let's use some better examples, Summer Jeanne is listed at 159cm and she's not in heels, Jalter is listed at 159cm and she's in heels. Eresh and Ishtar are both at 159cm and Eresh is in heels, while Ishtar is barefooted. So I don't really think shoes/heels are taken into consideration regarding servant height. -Sherou- said: Summer Ushi herself is also listed at 168 cm and her heels are a bit shorter than her normal version. I don't want to believe this because Ushi would seriously be as tall as Scathach. My brain can't compute this. |
| I think it's because of the odd perspective in her normal artwork and her janky non-updated sprite. Both her summer artwork and her summer sprite make it very clear that Ushi is looooong |
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astroprogs said: I know, I know. My brain short circuited when I found out this detail myself.Babylonia episode 11 PV: https://twitter.com/FGOAP_ep7/status/1205429627394510853 -Mahesvara said: Let's use some better examples, Summer Jeanne is listed at 159cm and she's not in heels, Jalter is listed at 159cm and she's in heels. Eresh and Ishtar are both at 159cm and Eresh is in heels, while Ishtar is barefooted. So I don't really think shoes/heels are taken into consideration regarding servant height. -Sherou- said: Summer Ushi herself is also listed at 168 cm and her heels are a bit shorter than her normal version. I don't want to believe this because Ushi would seriously be as tall as Scathach. My brain can't compute this. |
My Queens |
astroprogs said: Babylonia episode 11 PV: https://twitter.com/FGOAP_ep7/status/1205429627394510853 -Mahesvara said: Let's use some better examples, Summer Jeanne is listed at 159cm and she's not in heels, Jalter is listed at 159cm and she's in heels. Eresh and Ishtar are both at 159cm and Eresh is in heels, while Ishtar is barefooted. So I don't really think shoes/heels are taken into consideration regarding servant height. -Sherou- said: Summer Ushi herself is also listed at 168 cm and her heels are a bit shorter than her normal version. I don't want to believe this because Ushi would seriously be as tall as Scathach. My brain can't compute this. i mean still can believe shes the same as shishou i on the other hand cant believe shes taller tan drake and altera also tfw i realise eresh and ishtars height and weight are just rin's height and weight |
| It's good that Slop leveling won the CR awards with such a power gap, Gaijin Weebs don't deserve good anime. Not after what they did to frieren, kusuriya, and many others |
| We finally get a confirmation. Aimer will do the song for HF III: https://twitter.com/Fate_SN_Anime/status/1205819726418591744 The song's name is "春はゆく/Haru Wa Yuku" (Spring Goes On?). Next Friday we'll get a new full trailer as well BTW, not a short PV. Mei-o_Scarlett said: also tfw i realise eresh and ishtars height and weight are just rin's height and weight I mean, yeah, why would they be different? lol. They're possessing her body. I expect the same with Parvati and Muramasa for Sakura and Shirou. |
astroprogsDec 14, 2019 5:50 AM
| kek kama even at adult form is 156 good shit thx psuedo servants tbh the best part is breaking to my friend who likes all those servants and is into girls taller than him that they... arent kek |
| It's good that Slop leveling won the CR awards with such a power gap, Gaijin Weebs don't deserve good anime. Not after what they did to frieren, kusuriya, and many others |
astroprogs said: We finally get a confirmation. Aimer will do the song for HF III: https://twitter.com/Fate_SN_Anime/status/1205819726418591744 The song's name is "春はゆく/Haru Wa Yuku" (Spring Goes On?). Next Friday we'll get a new full trailer as well BTW, not a short PV. Not "It's spring" or "Spring is coming" TRueEndconfirmed |
| This is the last Babylonia's episode for 2019. See you guys, next year. lol |
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Man, they rushed that Quetz scene like there's no tomorrow. Not a fan at all of this execution and this is my least favorite episode so far. By a considerable margin too. Such a shame that this will be the last we'll see of the show for 3 weeks.  ...never fuckin mind, everything is forgiven. Next episode will be on Janyary 4th and should start the journey to the underworld. |
astroprogsDec 14, 2019 9:26 AM
| The cut out was terrible. There was no reason to remove the end after all that build up. The rest was fine. Gil at the end was straight out of CP. |
| This was one of my favorite episodes to date, actually. I liked the general direction of the fight and the animation was superb (as always, I guess), I enjoyed it thoroughly. But that cut really was awful. The fuck were they thinking with that? Honestly surprised me in an unpleasant way. That said, since we've effectively completed the first half of the anime and we're going on a hiatus for a few weeks, I see this as a decent opportunity to bring up an old topic I had with Astro. @astroprogs So, how do you feel about how Ritsuka was handled thus far in this adaption? Since I remember you casting doubts about them being able to make him into an actual character and not just a background element. Do you feel he's been developed into a satisfactory protagonist? |
| Ι am not Astro but I will share mine. First of all, for me FGO was never about the MC, lest make that clear. So him being below Sieg tier wasnt an issue. What they did so far is a pleasant surprise even tho at the same time the pseudo harem elements are still at full force. Even if the only ones seriously interested in him are Eresh and Mash, the way they like him seems too much. Also Taiga doesnt count. Desperate-almost-30yo-anime-teachers are too easy. |
ssjokgDec 14, 2019 11:12 AM
| Oh, definitely. The pseudo-harem elements were always going to be a factor in any given FGO adaption because thats just how the game itself is written. Even though only a few female characters ever actually like Ritsuka romantically (e.g. Mash and Eresh in this specific example), his interaction with female Servants is almost always written in a deceptive way that alludes to the idea that they like him even when they really don't. And I don't think that they did with Ritsuka was anything exceptional or interesting in particular. To bring back the point of the original topic, the question was whether Ritsuka would be executed in a way where he is able to be the central force and drive scenes in the narrative by himself or if he was always gonna remain in that sorta background-element seat where it seems like he's just being pulled around because the story requires a protagonist figure that the viewer can ''relate'' with. I think they've definitely managed to structure Ritsuka's involvement in the plot in a way where it definitely comes off as if he's able to carry entire scenes on his own merit and his general interaction with other characters just feel more enriching than in the game itself (which... I guess isn't a high bar to overcome) to the point where he definitely feels like a character now. I do feel like there's nothing exceptional done with him, though, like I've said. I'm only pleasantly surprised in the sense that I've liked him more than I expected to, but that doesn't really translate into me feeling like he's become a good protagonist. Just means we've finally reached the bare minimum of him being a passable element of the series than just self-insert garbage. He's still somewhat generic and lacking in any real intrigue. But then again, it's like I said back then, I don't think there's really anything that can be done with Ritsuka's character at this point of the story for it to be presented as more complicated or intriguing. He's really just an average guy with some likeable traits at the end of the day because the story at this point requires him to be that sorta innocent nice guy type that can get along with everybody. BUT I do feel like this is a good change of direction if we ever come around to adapting the Lostbelt chapters. This is excellent setup for what could lead to some incredibly interesting characterization of Ritsuka later down the line if the anime ever goes that far in it's ambitiousness. Given we've now setup how much Ritsuka really cares about life as a concept and regrets leaving people behind when it matters, it's going to payoff when we reach the moral dilemma of him having to commit what's effectively cosmic genocide across the Lostbelts. Especially since in Case Files event (I think?) it's revealed that Ritsuka's psychological state is currently worsening at an alarming rate and he's on the brink of going completely insane from all the guilt and torment he's facing. Makes room for the creators to explore him more on a psychological level in a hypothetical Lostbelt anime by portraying him slowly losing his sanity and becoming more drastic in his actions, and would consequently lead to perhaps more interesting characterization of Mashu who has to watch Ritsuka's gradually worsening psychological state. However, thats all a big IF they ever decide to adapt FGO past this in a proper way and don't just jump around to adapt the most popular parts - which is, unfortunately, the more likely scenaro. It also heavily depends on how successful the Babylonia (and Camelot) anime are and considering I've heard absolutely nothing regarding that yet, I've frankly fuck all idea whether it is or isn't. |
astroprogs said: We finally get a confirmation. Aimer will do the song for HF III: https://twitter.com/Fate_SN_Anime/status/1205819726418591744 The song's name is "春はゆく/Haru Wa Yuku" (Spring Goes On?). Next Friday we'll get a new full trailer as well BTW, not a short PV. YES YES YES YES YES YES YES |
The sun is a deadly laser |
| Ritsuka is one lucky bastard, two lap pillows from two beautiful goddesses and even got a face full of Quetz's chest all in one day. As you've all said that one jump cut was pretty bad, but everything else in this episode was fantastic, especially the sakuga and post end credits scene with Gil. We even got a sweet flashback of Gil and Endiku's famous battle. Its a shame we don't get a new episode till next year tho. Babylon is turning into one of my favorite anime from the franchise period. |
My Queens |
ssjokg said: The cut out was terrible. There was no reason to remove the end after all that build up. The rest was fine. Gil at the end was straight out of CP. cp what also that is some kek jumpcut some one piece lvvl shit |
| It's good that Slop leveling won the CR awards with such a power gap, Gaijin Weebs don't deserve good anime. Not after what they did to frieren, kusuriya, and many others |
| mfw redefining the canon TIL |
| It's good that Slop leveling won the CR awards with such a power gap, Gaijin Weebs don't deserve good anime. Not after what they did to frieren, kusuriya, and many others |
Mei-o_Scarlett said: ssjokg said: The cut out was terrible. There was no reason to remove the end after all that build up. The rest was fine. Gil at the end was straight out of CP. cp what also that is some kek jumpcut some one piece lvvl shit CP= Carnival Phantasm |
| Oh |
| It's good that Slop leveling won the CR awards with such a power gap, Gaijin Weebs don't deserve good anime. Not after what they did to frieren, kusuriya, and many others |
AirConditioner said: @astroprogs So, how do you feel about how Ritsuka was handled thus far in this adaption? Since I remember you casting doubts about them being able to make him into an actual character and not just a background element. Do you feel he's been developed into a satisfactory protagonist? Hm, this is what I said before the show aired. Let's see how much of what I said they actually did. astroprogs said: [...]write interesting dialogues with him and different characters with wildly different personalities like with Gil and Quetz. Write scenarios that showcase exactly why they've put so much trust in his character. Write him being both kind-hearted and charismatic towards Eresh to make her affection towards him more meaningful. Write him so he's afraid, but pushes through the fear when Tiamat is revealed for the first time. Write internal monologues when he meets Ushi and make him bond with her. And then write dialogue for him when she gets darkened to increase the impact of that encounter. Write him making jokes from time to time with Ishtar after she joins the party and being serious when the need arises with Leonides. Write him being understanding towards Ana despite not knowing her circumstances to make her sacrifice more meaningful. So far, I'd give their effort a solid 8/10. Things could've still been better, but they haven't been as horrible as I expected. What could've been better: 1. They need to make him even more proactive. They kinda did this by having him take over some of Mashu's lines and ideas, but they can probably afford to go even deeper. Like, have him talk with Gil with his eyes signaling that they both thought of bribing Ishtar at the same time. 2. They need to make him slightly more over the top. He's supposed to be a normal guy, but he's also supposed to be charming and charismatic. Aside from the Taiga joke, this doesn't transfer well to the anime. Quetz's sudden 180 became all the more jarring thanks to this. 3. They need a bit more comedic moments with him. So far, he's kinda been a stick in the mud around characters like Quetz and Ishtar, which shouldn't be the case. Their last chance to do this is the Ishtar bullying scenes in the underworld. 4. I feel like they leaned heavily on making Ana the adorable murder loli she is, but didn't really show Ritsuka bonding with her more. As it stands, all I'll be thinking of as she sacrifices herself is: "Oh no, remember the time when she adorably ate cake that one time." What I'm looking forward to: 1. The Ushi reunion. I expect some heartwrenching shit. Tear my heart out and step on it, Cloverworks. 2. The Ana farewell scene. There's still time for Ritsuka to raise her social link and make that scene as tragic as it's supposed to be. 3. Eresh. Just... Eresh. >I think they've definitely managed to structure Ritsuka's involvement in the plot in a way where it definitely comes off as if he's able to carry entire scenes on his own merit and his general interaction with other characters just feel more enriching than in the game itself (which... I guess isn't a high bar to overcome) to the point where he definitely feels like a character now. The effort is good, but I thought "I think they could've done this or that better by doing X or Y", still. So yeah, a solid 8/10, but not quite perfect effort. |
| Oh yeah, I think they definitely could do better with him. Which is why I said that we've only reached the bare minimum of making him into a passable protagonist and not an annoying background element like he could have been. Ironically enough, I wish the anime adaption took some notes from the game and kept some of the projected snarky funnyman™ personality that the game implies he has since I feel it would make the character's personality feel stronger and more likeable. Well... Minus the awful snark replies timing in unfitting tonal situations like in the game. And honestly, as far the charisma part goes, I feel that this has always been sort of an issue in the game itself, too. Its just a tad bit unfortunate that the anime kinda leaves it as-is and doesn't really improve on this aspect by making Ritsuka more proactive and determined in his interaction with others. But at the end of the day, just propelling him into a passable protagonist means they've done something decent with him for me. If only because I dislike the self-insert garbage immensely and would take practically anything over it. |
Ok, so here's a thought. Why the fuck is Ishtar running when she can fly? Did the staff suddenly forget she does that or something? AirConditioner said: Oh yeah, I think they definitely could do better with him. Which is why I said that we've only reached the bare minimum of making him into a passable protagonist and not an annoying background element like he could have been. Ironically enough, I wish the anime adaption took some notes from the game and kept some of the projected snarky funnyman™ personality that the game implies he has since I feel it would make the character's personality feel stronger and more likeable. Well... Minus the awful snark replies timing in unfitting tonal situations like in the game. And honestly, as far the charisma part goes, I feel that this has always been sort of an issue in the game itself, too. Its just a tad bit unfortunate that the anime kinda leaves it as-is and doesn't really improve on this aspect by making Ritsuka more proactive and determined in his interaction with others. But at the end of the day, just propelling him into a passable protagonist means they've done something decent with him for me. If only because I dislike the self-insert garbage immensely and would take practically anything over it. Oh yes, anything the anime does is already an improvement over the game in that aspect. It's just that there's a clear room for more, but for some reason they're holding back. Ritsuka was never the star of Babylonia, but since he's so in the middle of almost every single event, I want them to do the absolute most they physically can with him. |
astroprogsDec 15, 2019 1:56 PM
| smh whats wrong with ishtar naruto running :>  wot |
| It's good that Slop leveling won the CR awards with such a power gap, Gaijin Weebs don't deserve good anime. Not after what they did to frieren, kusuriya, and many others |
| Maybe so Ishtar won't be spotted from afar? I dunno. |
| Yeah Merlin is supposed to hold back some flying serpents so her flying around drawing attention would be bad. ofc I dont know if they did think of that. And wanna bet that the broken japanese is Fai? Sorry I didnt have to say that, but I did. |
| is that actually broken japanese thought it was just bad google translate |
| It's good that Slop leveling won the CR awards with such a power gap, Gaijin Weebs don't deserve good anime. Not after what they did to frieren, kusuriya, and many others |
| Even then, why is she running? Ishtar floats. That's what she does in the game as well, she never touches the ground in any of her animations. |
astroprogs said: Even then, why is she running? Ishtar floats. That's what she does in the game as well, she never touches the ground in any of her animations. Well....then it is just a Boruto scriptwriter doing his stuff. |
| It's just so we can see her ass. Come on. It's not that complicated. |
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ssjokg said: astroprogs said: Even then, why is she running? Ishtar floats. That's what she does in the game as well, she never touches the ground in any of her animations. Well....then it is just a Boruto scriptwriter doing his stuff. Mashu and Ritsuka were running normally beside her too, but only Ishtar was doing the Naruto run. Just... why? Kaiser-chan said: It's just so we can see her ass. Come on. It's not that complicated. You can see it either way, though. |
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