| > but his art just suffers from same-face syndrome. It's not all that uncommon. Some artists just don't know how to draw different face types. >https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/interest/2014-09-16/mitsuru-adachi-cant-tell-his-own-characters-apart/.78792  |
| It's good that Slop leveling won the CR awards with such a power gap, Gaijin Weebs don't deserve good anime. Not after what they did to frieren, kusuriya, and many others |
| I don't really find it forgivable even if he's the best fgo artist. Wada has the same amount of servants, yet she doesn't do the same fucking pose or faces ( lol not even for Eli ) It's actually annoying because it seems he stopped trying after he made alter artoria rider. Like apparently his ceo status is too op for people to complain and the only reason he keeps doing fgo art is because of his OC obsession. Yeah he does have good designs.... Like three or four..., and his artstyle is awesome. But that doesn't forgive him for being that lazy. |
| til wada is a whamen |
| It's good that Slop leveling won the CR awards with such a power gap, Gaijin Weebs don't deserve good anime. Not after what they did to frieren, kusuriya, and many others |
Veromaye said: Yeah he does have good designs.... Like three or four..., and his artstyle is awesome. But that doesn't forgive him for being that lazy. If by three or four, you mean effectively more or less all of them barring older designs like FSN!Medusa. Takeuchi is a god-tier designer and regardless of if he is incapable of drawing different face-types or poses, the colouring and style in his drawing is STILL top-notch. Him consistently re-using poses is a valid criticism, but not to the point where I'm willing to discredit everything else he's capable of. Creativity with poses is far less important than actual design sense. I'd much rather have a good design that re-uses poses than a crappy design that has a creative or cool pose. He's not ReDrop, Shiirabi, Wada or whomever, but he'd most definitely be my go-to designer for a wide range of Servants. |
| I disagree, and even not being subjective, he's turning his art into an infinite loop of mediocrity by reciclying every expression and pose. I'm not gonna lie. I love Okita, Both Shiki, Gilgamesh 3rd ascencion....and Artoria alter rider. Besides those, his art is extremely repetitive and dissappointing. If you want or consider that is defendable because his art overall is great, that's just you. But i know tons of regular artists that might "not be on his level" but manage to do OCs with great quality in everything else. |
| It's less about defendable and more about forgivable. At the end of the day, character design is everything that actually defines a character. No amount of ''good'' or ''creative'' art can salvage a garbage character design. Give Roland's Fate/ design to any great artist of your choice and no matter what they draw, the character will never lose it's inherent trashy-look without out-right changing the design itself. Takeuchi is great exactly because his design sense and art-style are stunning, which allows for numerous unofficial artists to draw said great design in any great pose you could want. Lack of creativity in poses is salvageable; terrible designs are not without going through a re-design process. |
| Nothing about what he has been doing is forgivable. Not because someone in the past did X good things it means in the present it should be okay to let pass X bad things. The point of being a good artist is not "Ohh I have a status so it's ok if I do the same shit 10 more times" Is being able to do new stuffs without having to recycle your first two OCS - poses - expressions - BG. Because with Lakshmibai he just didn't recycled Jeanne. He used Okita expression, Jeanne expression, Jeanne poses, BG styles. not for 1 stage but for all. It's ridiculous at the point that it becomes sad. Like of course, I don't pay him and he has no compromise with me. But as a fan, for me, Takeuchi has been downgrading his work to the point of recycling EVERYTHING for new works. Like, this guy Takahashi Keitaro did William Tell, and I wouldn't even recognize it because he has upgraded his art so much is ACTUALLY forgivable in the past he made not so good looking servants, yet it still makes me angry that Nightingale doesn't have a good design. If you want to accept this and call it forgivable or whoever you want to defend it, that's up to you. |
Veromaye said: Not because someone in the past did X good things it means in the present it should be okay to let pass X bad things. Nobody said that. What are you on about? Unless you're suggesting I'm implicating Takeuchi did good designs in the past so it's fine he's being repetitive. In which case, I'll tell you out-right that Takeuchi is doing GOOD stuff right now with stuff like Lakshmibai's 2nd ascension design. Besides, stuff like Valkyrie isn't all that old either. The point of being a good artist is not "Ohh I have a status so it's ok if I do the same shit 10 more times" There's multiple elements to what makes a good artist. When it comes to original characters, the point is being able to have a good design sense and being capable of drawing well to accompany that. Neither of which Takeuchi is lacking in. Repetitiveness of poses in what's effectively just sprite art for a visual novel-like game is hardly all that important. Is being able to do new stuffs without having to recycle your first two OCS Non-sense. That'd mean a wide range of godawful artists are ''good'' just because they can draw different poses and expressions. poses You are right. He is lazy with poses and I shan't argue otherwise. However, you are absolutely not right that he is a bad artist because of this single element. expressions As mentioned previously, his art just suffers from sameface syndrome. It has nothing to do with laziness, he's just comfortable with drawing a single face-type and doesn't really know how to draw differently. Expressions looking the same is a result of that + FGO requiring the same set of expressions for most characters. For an example, they all require a blush face and since Takeuchi's faces all effectively look the same, his expressions will end up looking the same. Sameface syndrome is also a valid criticism, but once again, it's an extreme exaggeration to state he's a bad artist when he CONSISTENTLY pulls through on much more important aspects of what makes a great artist such as his design sense, art-style and colouring. And not like his face type looks unpleasant either. BG. BG styles.. What are you on about? These look nothing alike. Jeanne's background is some boring, lazy sky-themed background, but Okita's and Lakshmibai's background styles couldn't be further apart. Okita's is a Japanese Shrine background that changes per season; Lakshmibai's is a desert palace under a sunset. Nothing about the setting or appearance is similar in either of them. But as a fan, for me, Takeuchi has been downgrading his work to the point of recycling EVERYTHING for new works. Just his poses. He's always suffered from the sameface syndrome, this is nothing new. The appeal of Takeuchi's art is and has always been his design sense, style and colouring. And he's much improved since the days when he drew poor, basic designs with poor colouring. Perhaps in terms of face design, he used to be better during Melty Blood days; but he's certainly massively improved as an artist in terms of colouring and design since then. Like, this guy Takahashi Keitaro did William Tell, and I wouldn't even recognize it because he has upgraded his art so much is ACTUALLY forgivable William Tell is also an incredibly bland looking Servant with no real sense of creativity put into him. A rather generic middle-aged man in military attire suited for camouflage. Not that it's bad, but it's so forgettable that the character can incite no other reaction than the standard ''meh'' which isn't exactly a good thing in a game that somewhat hinges on the appeal of character design drawing in the viewer. It's also absolutely not forgivable that he drew Nightingale as crappily as he did. If you want to accept this and call it forgivable or whoever you want to defend it, that's up to you. Yes? I'm not sure why you constantly feel the need to bring up things like ''it's up to you'', ''that's just your opinion'', etc. I've said this before when we had an argument, but that's a given. There's no eye for art that's actually objective and I don't remember any attempts at stating otherwise. |
AirConditionerJun 20, 2019 7:54 AM
William Tell is also an incredibly bland looking Servant with no real sense of creativity put into him. I won't even bother to reply all those stuffs and will just focus on this. I never said that Tell is the epitome of creativity, I said that his artist has upgraded his artstyle to a point of not being recognizable. If we talk about creativity then Takeuchi has 0 creativity and you're actually just contradicting your own argument. I don't know what you consider creative about Takeuchi's current art if he's just recycling everything. And yes, he's recycling BGS : https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/fategrandorder/images/7/7a/LB4Saber4.png/revision/latest?cb=20190615143809 https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/fategrandorder/images/2/21/JeanneAlterSanta4.png/revision/latest?cb=20171206154133 The latest non recycled servants that Takeuchi did were Okita Alter and Jeanne Berserker. Jeanne being absolutely not creative at all. Takeuchi has become very mediocre about making new servants, you could ask any artist that wouldn't footlick him and they will tell the same. Having a great Art Style doesn't save you from being mediocre. But eh, I'm done with my rant. |
Veromaye said: I never said that Tell is the epitome of creativity, I said that his artist has upgraded his artstyle to a point of not being recognizable. When did I say otherwise? The fact that I put ALSO in my sentence literally tells you that I wasn't actively disagreeing with what you said, but rather trying to illustrate that in spite of his improvement, the result isn't commendable. These things aren't mutually exclusive, If we talk about creativity then Takeuchi has 0 creativity and you're actually just contradicting your own argument. There's no contradiction because there's no correlation between these two things. As it is very common in arguments between you and me, I increasingly feel like you don't actually put proper understanding into what I say and make a completely different takeaway of what I said than what I ACTUALLY said, despite my wording being rather clear on what I was trying to point out. I think I said a million times by now that what I find creative about Takeuchi's art is his design-sense. Which has no correlation to creativity for poses. (Not that Keitaro is very creative in this either given the final ascension art is literally just a perspective change and close-in of Tell's standing position so???). And a million times over, I already agreed that Takeuchi's poses are repetitive so why my point continues to evade you and brings you back to believing that I'm referring to creativity in poses as opposed to creativity in design-sense is beyond me. Now perhaps you wanna argue ''they're both correlated to a sense of creativity'', but that's sort of a surface level understanding of what I'm saying. My continued point has been that the most important aspect of drawing when it comes to creating an original character is creativity in design-sense for that character and then the ability to draw well enough to be able to bring that design-sense over onto paper. Pose-creativity has minor importance in comparison. Me being able to think up creative poses will mean little in the face of me drawing extremely horrid character designs and having the ability to draw on par with a 4 year old child. Me being unable to think up creative poses will mean comparatively little if I have a good art style and a great design sense that allows me to create cool or beautiful looking original characters that can later inspire multitudes of off-shoot art drawn in any pose you want. Once again, a shitty design cannot be salvaged no matter who draws it without simply re-designing the character; a shitty pose can be fixed by anyone with the ability to draw your character or even by you yourself. I don't know what you consider creative about Takeuchi's current art if he's just recycling everything. His design-sense. There's nothing recycled between Jeanne's and Lakshmi's designs except the metal headpiece in third ascension, but given I'm arguing it's the 2nd ascension that looks great I hardly see the relevance here. And yes, he's recycling BGS: Ah, so that's what you meant. You should have clarified that you meant Jeanne Alter Lily instead of making me look at OG Jeanne's art in search of what the hell you're on about. That aside, you've given me a grand total of one example. You are right, but it doesn't lend any legitimacy to your argument if you are incapable of producing examples of multiple occasions where he does this. Especially given the singular example you gave are both characters drawn in a perspective where viewer's gaze is pretty clearly tilted from below and upwards to the sky, so naturally the background here will be the sky given viewer perspective and character pose. Takeuchi has become very mediocre about making new servants Nah, the designs he comes up with are well above mediocre and straight up well-thought up and cool to look at. you could ask any artist that wouldn't footlick him and they will tell the same Or I could simply use my own eyes to observe his art and actually decide on my own what my opinion of his art-style or design-sense is. I'm sure those artists you're speaking of could draw better poses, but I'm also willing to bet they'd think up less quality designs than he does. Having a great Art Style doesn't save you from being mediocre. Having a great art-style, good colouring AND an amazing art style does make you well above mediocre. Because those are the most important elements to making an original character. No matter how creative you are with poses, an absolutely garbage design like Edison will not look good. But eh, I'm done with my rant. Ok. |
AirConditionerJun 20, 2019 8:40 AM
AirConditioner said: As it is very common in arguments between you and me, I increasingly feel like you don't actually put proper understanding into what I say and make a completely different takeaway of what I said than what I ACTUALLY said, despite my wording being rather clear on what I was trying to point out. Ok I'm going to apologize about this. But this is probably because I really need glasses and I don't currently have them and having to read a big wall of text using a huge monitor doesn't really help. I'm sorry. |
| Nah, it's fine. You don't really have to apologize for it. I probably sounded harsh. It's just a bit bothersome having to repeat a point multiple times and still have it interpreted as opposite of what you're trying to say. |
The best kind |
The sun is a deadly laser |
| 3 tickets 2 jinakos i guess I'm just wondering if my new toy is any good so uh thanks DW for ending my 8 month drought of no SSR... That's a shit ton of quartz wasted for 0 summer Nero benienma gao and a shit ton of other stuff >:( |
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| >3 tix and 2 Jinako Man that is some outstanding luck you got th- >No Summer Nero Nevermind, shit luck. Summer Nero is love. Summer Nero is life. SUMMER NERO IS WAIFU. |
| was gonna be like whos gao right jinako is a good support i guess? |
| It's good that Slop leveling won the CR awards with such a power gap, Gaijin Weebs don't deserve good anime. Not after what they did to frieren, kusuriya, and many others |
| Some random jap twitter guy: ''fGo Is FaLlInG iN rEvEnUe'' FGO: 1st place with over 2x the revenue of 2nd place, which is some DBZ shit |
| Arjuna Alter's fight is such a pain in the ass. I'm starting to think that making a party around NPC Karna is a trap. Ok, time to bring out the and see how that emo god holds out. AirConditioner said: Some random jap twitter guy: ''fGo Is FaLlInG iN rEvEnUe'' FGO: 1st place with over 2x the revenue of 2nd place, which is some DBZ shit He said that about Q2 BTW. This is Q1. |
astroprogsJun 21, 2019 3:59 AM
| Oh. Well same shit since it's topping charts with LB4 release again. |
AirConditioner said: Oh. Well same shit since it's topping charts with LB4 release again. The point of comparison will be how much money they made compared to Q1 |
| Between Summer BB rerun, Anni and new Summer event, I think the answer to that is pretty predictable. |
AirConditioner said: Between Summer BB rerun, Anni and new Summer event, I think the answer to that is pretty predictable. All of those will be in Q3. Q2 ends in 9 days and it's the quarter infamous for the empty month and the almost gameplay-devoid Hollywood and Riyo events. I'd be surprised if there wasn't a drop in revenue, a big one at that. |
| it took me this entire convo to figure out what q1, q2 and q3 mean |
| It's good that Slop leveling won the CR awards with such a power gap, Gaijin Weebs don't deserve good anime. Not after what they did to frieren, kusuriya, and many others |
| Hmm, I see. Isn't a drop occurring in Q2 compared to Q1 expected then...? What's with people kicking up a fuss over it then. |
AirConditioner said: Hmm, I see. Isn't a drop occurring in Q2 compared to Q1 expected then...? What's with people kicking up a fuss over it then. It's expected to happen, but it's not expected that they'd actually let it happen when it was really really easy to avoid. It wasn't a result of lack of interest on the part of the players, it was the result of the developers not making content. That's the really weird part and why people are making such a fuss. |
astroprogsJun 21, 2019 5:10 AM
 At that price, might as well just roll in the gacha. |
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| Why one Siegfried is 50 Yen and the other 600??? I would buy that Siegfried, Salter and Eli one lol. Don't even care, those cards look awesome. Also, one question. when is NA getting the special summon ticket for a free SR? I wanted it for Martha Ruler but it seems is not coming before summer event? ;_; |
| from my non existant japanese skill, i can infer that the reason the other sumanai card cost 600 is cost it has something else inside it hence why the name is longer also 1. its coming with the 10 mil(or 7 mil in our case ;_;) banner that also has dick wizard, think thats before nerofest, but post summer and before shimousa 2. even if it did come during summer its for perma SRs only |
| It's good that Slop leveling won the CR awards with such a power gap, Gaijin Weebs don't deserve good anime. Not after what they did to frieren, kusuriya, and many others |
| nOooOoo. :C Guess I'll have to try with my saved quartz for her. thanks for the info |
THE FUCK, ARJUNA!? |
| yeaaaaa arjuna alter has a guts did we not mention that so a guts a buster resist down before np an np battery that comes with a buster card gather and an atk buff + a SPECIAL DAMAGE mod against any enemy with a debuff(so his aformentioned buster resist before np and im guessing debuff resist down also cunts) and his atk is in the top 30 what a fcking meme |
| It's good that Slop leveling won the CR awards with such a power gap, Gaijin Weebs don't deserve good anime. Not after what they did to frieren, kusuriya, and many others |
Wow now I hate Arjuna even more. |
| Arjuna Alter spanked my Abby into orbit. Even though I put defensive CE on her and she have a full health. |
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| Use your command spell to NP past his guts. |
Fuckin' finally! Punch Saint is tired of your shit, Arjuna. No Command Spells used.   Now I need an Arjuna version of that Martha vs BB fanart. Mei-o_Scarlett said: yeaaaaa arjuna alter has a guts did we not mention that so a guts a buster resist down before np an np battery that comes with a buster card gather and an atk buff + a SPECIAL DAMAGE mod against any enemy with a debuff(so his aformentioned buster resist before np and im guessing debuff resist down also cunts) and his atk is in the top 30 what a fcking meme It's fucking ridiculous. You pretty much can't use a buffer Servant because he can OHKO anyone who isn't called Abby (EDIT: @WaterCooler Welp, seems not even her. Thanks for the heads up). You can't go too heavy on offensive Servants because of his passive damage resistance. You can't have a stall team because his final form gets invincibility pierce and he fires his NP immediately. The only solution is to taunt your way through his attacks and have someone who can cast party-wide invincibility for his second form (Merlin would've REALLY come in handy here, but Jeanne did great as well) and at least one heavy hitter with a full NP gauge in the back because his third form WILL annihilate your front row. You can't finish early. You can't blitzkrieg with Skadi and/or Merlin crits. You can't stall. You can't win if you take one turn too long. You can't block his second NP. You can't debuff him. You don't have the time to buff yourself. You can't win on the defensive. You can't win on the offensive. Fucking hell, that was an annoying fight. I'm getting SMT Nocturne optional boss PTSD flashbacks here. ShinsoPriest said: Use your command spell to NP past his guts. I used my CSs to speed up the nodes before. I had to do this one pure. |
astroprogsJun 21, 2019 7:58 AM
| Making a party to rush his HP bar until Herc comes in last would make things simpler. Just have to make sure you have enough lives to get past his guts. |
| >punch saint not even bond 7 dishonoru but i just went this  tristan buff removal worked, and i blocked his np... then he still one shots everyone but the strat was musashi np and stuff first bar 2nd bar, beowulf and musashi np again tristan supports with 1st and 3rd skill karna clean up |
| It's good that Slop leveling won the CR awards with such a power gap, Gaijin Weebs don't deserve good anime. Not after what they did to frieren, kusuriya, and many others |
ShinsoPriest said: Making a party to rush his HP bar until Herc comes in last would make things simpler. Just have to make sure you have enough lives to get past his guts. I killed him before he could cast his Guts. Waiting in this fight is generally a bad idea. Also, a lvl 92 NP4 Martha with her 100% anti-divine buff was able to kill him with her Extra attack of an NPBBEX chain. I'm not sure if a lvl 100 NP5 Herc can do the same without a CS and his bond CE. |
| >I'm not sure if a lvl 100 NP5 Herc can do the same without a CS and his bond CE. |
| It's good that Slop leveling won the CR awards with such a power gap, Gaijin Weebs don't deserve good anime. Not after what they did to frieren, kusuriya, and many others |
| Don't ever underestimate Sekai de Ichiban Tsuyoi Basacar. |
Mei-o_Scarlett said: >I'm not sure if a lvl 100 NP5 Herc can do the same without a CS and his bond CE. This is some amazing shit. How is he a 4*, seriously. Though, I'm still correct in what I said. That bond CE Herc can't kill a full bar Arjuna with a chain, looking at the damage his NP dealt in that video. Only Martha can do something like that. ShinsoPriest said: Don't ever underestimate Sekai de Ichiban Tsuyoi Basacar. Sekai de ichiban tsuyoi indeed. |
astroprogsJun 21, 2019 8:21 AM
After that Arjuna fight, the 5th arrow is such a joke. Cleared it in 3 turns with a lvl 90 Parvati and double Skaid on the firs try. I almost feel bad for these guys. No kidding. It's recommended you go in that fight with a full Command Spell stack. If you decide to do it without any CSs, it's a goddamn challenge quest. |
astroprogs said: That's what I did, I had SSG Karna and Jalter erase his first two bars and the had Shishou finish him off with her NP, ended up being a 5 turn clear.ShinsoPriest said: Making a party to rush his HP bar until Herc comes in last would make things simpler. Just have to make sure you have enough lives to get past his guts. I killed him before he could cast his Guts. Waiting in this fight is generally a bad idea. |
My Queens  |
| Oh man now i understand the disdain for Agartha, think i'll just story skip this one. |
My Queens |
| It's odd how Agartha makes one feel so gross even in a franchise that started as an eroge. I guess with things like "suppress Roa in my anus" or raping the maids, you can tell it was just put there to appeal to the people who needed badly drawn porn in their VN, whereas no one was really asking for Agartha's fetish fuel and you can sorta tell that Minase was just super into what he was writing. |
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*Chuckles in Blitzkrieg'd w/ Merlin crits* Srsly, god bless Beowulf's new buff. Managed to take out Arjuna's first bar in a BBBEX crit chain(on the first turn, w/o MC's buffs) w/ this team.  Wish I screenshotted them crits reeeeeeeeeeeee. They were so sexyyyy. I also made sure to finish him w/ Karna: Honestly, I think Altrjuna fight was waaaaaaaaaaaaay easier than the Douman/Altjuna one. Like damn, that one was annoying. Freaking deletes your NP first round, deletes your buff b4 Altjuna uses his NP. Ain't nobody got time to think of ways around that. I couldn't be bothered to actually put brain power into it, so I just used a quartz¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Comparatively, w/ Altjuna you either finish him fast or you're done lmao. At which point my mind went into simple meme mode and it was smooth sailing. Granted I did use like 3 silver apples to get the right cards but that's a technicality |
mira-pyonJun 21, 2019 12:50 PM
The sun is a deadly laser |
| I got three SR with 21 quartz yey. Nursery, Beowulf and Atalante. Now I have nothing for summer banner. Yay for impulse |
-Sherou- said: It's odd how Agartha makes one feel so gross even in a franchise that started as an eroge. I guess with things like "suppress Roa in my anus" or raping the maids, you can tell it was just put there to appeal to the people who needed badly drawn porn in their VN, whereas no one was really asking for Agartha's fetish fuel and you can sorta tell that Minase was just super into what he was writing. But is it worse than Septem? Still in the begining of the chapter, around the part you fight the Spriggan and Golens with Columbus help. Aside from 2 traps tagging alongside, it seems...normal levels of degeneracy, so far. What's in the the worst parts? Surprise b*tts*x? Veromaye said: I got three SR with 21 quartz yey. Nursery, Beowulf and Atalante. Now I have nothing for summer banner. Yay for impulse They will give a lot of free quarts in the coming days (+30 in some days+10 for each singularity completed, on Anniversary, so, +80). Not to mention the ones you collect by doing Agharta MQ and FQ... |
FabrisJun 21, 2019 5:44 PM
| FGO NA Code: 482.072.599 (F2P thug life of savings...) Ben-to! best nonsensical action anime. Ever. |
| i find argatha completely normal so far SMH how can u not like this  or fergus saying you should get over your misogny by making babies SMH tasteless plebs |
| It's good that Slop leveling won the CR awards with such a power gap, Gaijin Weebs don't deserve good anime. Not after what they did to frieren, kusuriya, and many others |
| Wait, Arjuna Alter battle had guts? I really don't remember that during my fight. WaterCooler said: Arjuna Alter spanked my Abby into orbit. Oof. Imagery. |
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