aa-dono said: Phraze said: I have the tendency to not read people at all. Idk, like some gum stuck on the same people haha. In case that observation is true, I'll keep that in mind.why? o.o on another note, I kinda notice we scumread ppl new to the site, so I'm careful there Anyway, it's their timing. I was putting you as town after reading page 3 and that post came right after. Scum can pretend to townread anyone, but they're usually off on the timing since they knew who's town anyway but it just feels like Paiia was reading at the same pace/wave (whatever the right word is) as town would. Just a minor thing, but it put a stop to them being scum for now. Mindmeld stuff, basically hmm |
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RE said: You're going to have to be more detailed than that, because I don't know what you mean. Would it help if I was in the game the other players were referring to, where town said the same exact thing lil_logic said? i dont know that but seem you know are talking to town in 28. |
| @Phraze @_Wisp If this is the post you were talking about where ironace "dismisses" reactions: ironace said: I don't think he's dismissing it. I think he's only asking how it would help catch scum, not suggesting that it wouldn't help.can anyone tell me how did someone fall for roz's stunt? and how anyone can get something out of lil logic's act? I will admit, it did move the game forward |
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PaiiiaRomana said: Well, I did think it was unlikely that lil_logic made a mistake, based on past experience of a town player saying something along those lines of "i'm new, how do i get to the mafia chat?"RE said: You're going to have to be more detailed than that, because I don't know what you mean. Would it help if I was in the game the other players were referring to, where town said the same exact thing lil_logic said? i dont know that but seem you know are talking to town in 28. |
...better to be hated for what you are than loved for something you are not. |
| yurkin maybe town yurkin+aa-dono not scum |
RE said: I agree on your Kiiruma's point (pretty much what I was getting at when I tagged him in the post that Kyle questioned), but it doesn't sound genuine to me despite me thinking the same.aa-dono said: What do you think of my mini case on Kiiruma? How about Wisp's point earlier that scum would avoid reacting to lil_logic's gambit?I could sheep this if I don't have any stronger read on anyone in the next few hours. Curious what @yurkin & @Kiiruma thinks of your point on ironace atm. You were careful when reacting to lil_logic but this doesn't seem to be applied on Kiiruma. Why? What's your current view on Paiia? --- I don't really agree to that (about Wisp's point) but he was just making a generalization so I don't think much of it. Perhaps it comes from his paranoia (I don't know a toned down version of this word and I know this one's an excessive description) but then again, he's not reading the people who react as town immediately so that post is just null to me. A post Wisp makes because he's Wisp. |
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aa-dono said: I'm not really sure what you mean by "careful," but I saw what lil_logic posted more likely to make her town and Kiiruma ignoring it while suggesting he had read the posts prior more likely to make him scum. I guess I would have liked to avoidI agree on your Kiiruma's point (pretty much what I was getting at when I tagged him in the post that Kyle questioned), but it doesn't sound genuine to me despite me thinking the same. You were careful when reacting to lil_logic but this doesn't seem to be applied on Kiiruma. Why? What's your current view on Paiia? I lean them as town, but not confidently because I lack experience with them and what I find townie about them (processing the game methodically) may be something they can fake, and I'm not too clear why they are scumreading me. And are you suggesting that I'm not genuine? Is that tonal read enough to outweigh everything else I've done? I don't really agree to that (about Wisp's point) but he was just making a generalization so I don't think much of it. Perhaps it comes from his paranoia (I don't know a toned down version of this word and I know this one's an excessive description) but then again, he's not reading the people who react as town immediately so that post is just null to me. I wasn't asking about how it affects your read on Wisp, but okay. Don't think it has anything to do with Wisp specifically.A post Wisp makes because he's Wisp. To me, scum would avoid it because they know it's a gambit (going off my townlean of lil_logic). Reacting to it may out themselves. |
...better to be hated for what you are than loved for something you are not. |
RE said: Oops, forgot to finish my sentence. I don't remember exactly what I would liked to have said, but if I had given up my explanation for lil_logic's post, even if I was right, if she gave the same explanation, it wouldn't mean much because I said it first.I guess I would have liked to avoid So if that's what you mean by "careful." |
...better to be hated for what you are than loved for something you are not. |
| interesting RE+aa-dono maybe not scum? RE more direct scummy aa-dono just not towny RE try harder in general? |
PaiiiaRomana said: I'm leaning aa-dono as scum right now.interesting RE+aa-dono maybe not scum? RE more direct scummy aa-dono just not towny RE try harder in general? You are just wrong on me. I have no idea what you are seeing. |
...better to be hated for what you are than loved for something you are not. |
| aa-dono/Kiiruma/??? ??? having a higher chance of being Astros/Korjivag |
...better to be hated for what you are than loved for something you are not. |
aa-dono said: _Wisp said: I could sheep this if I don't have any stronger read on anyone in the next few hours.still think we should vote Ironace... Curious what @yurkin & @Kiiruma thinks of your point on ironace atm. Dunno, if there is something of interest in ace's posts is that he says to ping Karote bacause he's usually inactive. |
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Korjivag said: Home site? what do you mean? I'm asking where do you play mafia usually? XD you didn't mentioned being new to mafia in sign-ups |
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| To elaborate on the aa-dono scumread: The reason Phraze and Wisp are suspecting ironace is through a misunderstanding (#60). aa-dono neglects to mention ironace up until she says she'll sheep their read of ironace (#194). Why sheep that read? Based on what? There really isn't a case on ironace. Also, she says she finds my vote on Kiiruma not genuine despite agreeing with it. Why doesn't she say that earlier? Instead she questions PaiiiaRomana's read of me as "actor playing town." Which is pretty similar reasoning she's given of me. So I suspect the "not genuine" part was something tacked on after Paiiia indicated she scumread me. |
...better to be hated for what you are than loved for something you are not. |
| Actually... Let's do it! vote: aa-dono Would have liked Kiiruma to respond before unvoting him, but we don't have all the time in the world. |
...better to be hated for what you are than loved for something you are not. |
| if RE work hard in general, aa-dono more scummy if not, RE more scummy |
| I would say I do post a lot (as town), but you can ask the others for confirmation. |
...better to be hated for what you are than loved for something you are not. |
Karote said: ironace said: im kinda surprised that you responded the way u did, but i guess its acceptable given i unintentionally formed a train on u, i thought u would just ignore it or have a fluff response. Maybe ur reaction states that u will be more active. Time will tell Don't you think I was overreacting there? Wisp had a point there. So your mindset behind voting me is basically like this; Karote will either ignore or post a fluff towards my vote. And my main goal is to see whether he's gonna be active this game or not since tends to be lurker. I don't think that really matches well. the differnece is i wanted to see ur reaction. However, looking at your past games, i expected fluff, but u are surprisingly active i didnt think u overracted, it has once happend to me as as well(i reacted in the same way as well), so i thought nothing of it.It felt more like u overracted on purpose-which was different from me |
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Phraze said: ironace said: how can u not get a read from lil's act? u seem to be shadingcan anyone tell me how did someone fall for roz's stunt? and how anyone can get something out of lil logic's act? I will admit, it did move the game forward and how can anyone not fall for Roz's act? iirc u were in the game (Lost Village and TWEWY) i dont recall being in the roz's game, though i did spectate for a while(like one day or so) i am not shading, im just asking, how can anyone get something out of it? |
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Phraze said: yeah he played a lot, but I was talking about games ironace was in. he says as if such tricks are obv, but he himself fell for it. looks like trying to shade others for speculating 'the obvious' which it wasn't. ok this is just wrong I never fell for anything because i wasnt even in the game(as far as i recall-and i havent played many so i think i know which games i was in and not) edit-can someone look it up if iw as in the game? |
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RE said: What I meant by careful is that you considered took your time in sorting lil_logic when we could have taken the obvious "scum slip". But it make sense to me given what you remember about her.aa-dono said: I'm not really sure what you mean by "careful," but I saw what lil_logic posted more likely to make her town and Kiiruma ignoring it while suggesting he had read the posts prior more likely to make him scum. I guess I would have liked to avoidI agree on your Kiiruma's point (pretty much what I was getting at when I tagged him in the post that Kyle questioned), but it doesn't sound genuine to me despite me thinking the same. You were careful when reacting to lil_logic but this doesn't seem to be applied on Kiiruma. Why? What's your current view on Paiia? I lean them as town, but not confidently because I lack experience with them and what I find townie about them (processing the game methodically) may be something they can fake, and I'm not too clear why they are scumreading me. And are you suggesting that I'm not genuine? Is that tonal read enough to outweigh everything else I've done? I don't really agree to that (about Wisp's point) but he was just making a generalization so I don't think much of it. Perhaps it comes from his paranoia (I don't know a toned down version of this word and I know this one's an excessive description) but then again, he's not reading the people who react as town immediately so that post is just null to me. I wasn't asking about how it affects your read on Wisp, but okay. Don't think it has anything to do with Wisp specifically.A post Wisp makes because he's Wisp. To me, scum would avoid it because they know it's a gambit (going off my townlean of lil_logic). Reacting to it may out themselves. But in Kiiruma's case, you went ahead and voted. Considering how you've been saying that you're holding back on reads because you're not confident in them, one reason feels slightly off. I'm not against your Kiiruma read btw. I was just questioning the difference with how you tackle his case. But this bothers me: Is that tonal read enough to outweigh everything else I've done? Did I say it outweigh? vote: RE I'm not sure if you're just an overdefensive town but you don't seem like one. I don't see why someone would be so bothered by "genuine". Unless they're not. As for the Wisp post, I understood you wrong there. I disagree since there could be other reasons tbf. I for one, didn't intend on responding to it though my reason was more to "She made a scum slip, but I don't wanna lynch new scum so fast. I want her to play a bit longer." Though then I saw your post and I remember her in my game. I could think of few reasons why town wouldn't respond and why scum would jump in and respond to it. I find Phraze's response to it scummy initially. Like if that was a scum slip, why would she ask if lil_logic outed herself? It's not like she would have said yes. Discussing what scum/town would do after the gambit is exposed doesn't do anything imo. Now that I think of it, why did you hint that she was making a gambit instead of letting her do it anyway? |
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yurkin said: I mean on Wisp's points (about ironace)aa-dono said: I could sheep this if I don't have any stronger read on anyone in the next few hours. Curious what @yurkin & @Kiiruma thinks of your point on ironace atm. Dunno, if there is something of interest in ace's posts is that he says to ping Karote bacause he's usually inactive. |
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RE said: I said I would if I have no one to go for. I don't mind joining someone I townread.To elaborate on the aa-dono scumread: The reason Phraze and Wisp are suspecting ironace is through a misunderstanding (#60). aa-dono neglects to mention ironace up until she says she'll sheep their read of ironace (#194). Why sheep that read? Based on what? There really isn't a case on ironace. Also, she says she finds my vote on Kiiruma not genuine despite agreeing with it. Why doesn't she say that earlier? Instead she questions PaiiiaRomana's read of me as "actor playing town." Which is pretty similar reasoning she's given of me. So I suspect the "not genuine" part was something tacked on after Paiiia indicated she scumread me. Oh. Sadly that makes sense. But I can only say you're wrong. I just don't understand what they meant by actor playing. RE said: LolActually... Let's do it! vote: aa-dono Would have liked Kiiruma to respond before unvoting him, but we don't have all the time in the world. |
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| RE works hard in general. |
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RE said: _Wisp said: I'm hesitant to go after ironace right now because I have a history of finding him scummy when he's town (because he says things with a mindset I don't understand).still think we should vote Ironace... I'll reread him because I did agree with what Phraze said about scum wanting to dismiss opportunities to read people (in this case, lil_logic's gambit), but I don't know how applicable that is in ironace's case. ohhhh so thats why people are saying im scummy...Because scum dont want people to sort each other out but in my defense, i geninuly dont understand what could come out of that. But hey, thats just me, maybe with more more exp i would take something out of that but right now im clueless |
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aa-dono said: I'm bothered because you simultaneously agreed with and shaded me. I thought you were unjustified in saying that you agreed with me yet found me not genuine. You discredited me while using my idea to put on the image that you were scumhunting.vote: RE I'm not sure if you're just an overdefensive town but you don't seem like one. I don't see why someone would be so bothered by "genuine". Unless they're not. You hadn't said anything about a read on me aside from calling me not genuine. So I would say yes, your tonal read did outweigh whatever you made of my other posts. You also have not yet addressed my point against you regarding you wanting to sheep others on ironace despite not saying anything about him prior. You calling me not genuine pinged me. But you setting yourself up to voting ironace later on sold you as scum to me. |
...better to be hated for what you are than loved for something you are not. |
aa-dono said: Not really. I hate playing as scum and I post significantly less as scum.RE works hard in general. |
...better to be hated for what you are than loved for something you are not. |
aa-dono said: But you agreed with me on Kiiruma? Is that not someone you could go for?RE said: I said I would if I have no one to go for. I don't mind joining someone I townread.To elaborate on the aa-dono scumread: The reason Phraze and Wisp are suspecting ironace is through a misunderstanding (#60). aa-dono neglects to mention ironace up until she says she'll sheep their read of ironace (#194). Why sheep that read? Based on what? There really isn't a case on ironace. Also, she says she finds my vote on Kiiruma not genuine despite agreeing with it. Why doesn't she say that earlier? Instead she questions PaiiiaRomana's read of me as "actor playing town." Which is pretty similar reasoning she's given of me. So I suspect the "not genuine" part was something tacked on after Paiiia indicated she scumread me. |
...better to be hated for what you are than loved for something you are not. |
RE said: Wait, did I misunderstand what you said here o.oaa-dono said: Not really. I hate playing as scum and I post significantly less as scum.RE works hard in general. If so, my bad >.< |
...better to be hated for what you are than loved for something you are not. |
RE said: But I don't townread you. So while I agree with it back then, I was wouldn't just vote with you while I haven't sorted you out + have little else to ask Kiiruma.aa-dono said: But you agreed with me on Kiiruma? Is that not someone you could go for?I said I would if I have no one to go for. I don't mind joining someone I townread. |
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| RE+aa-dono needs patience to solve karote still better lynch |
RE said: Hmm I don't think you misunderstood me. I think you put a lot of effort in general. Though I don't associate that with post count x)RE said: Wait, did I misunderstand what you said here o.oNot really. I hate playing as scum and I post significantly less as scum. If so, my bad >.< If you associate it with post count then it's not really a misunderstanding |
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PaiiiaRomana said: Why? How does Karote lynch is better than either me or RE?karote still better lynch |
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aa-dono said: I don't understand this logic.RE said: But I don't townread you. So while I agree with it back then, I was wouldn't just vote with you while I haven't sorted you out + have little else to ask Kiiruma.But you agreed with me on Kiiruma? Is that not someone you could go for? You would rather vote with your townreads on someone you have no read on than vote someone you have suspicion of just because there's a player you haven't sorted out voting them as well? That seems like poor play. And you still have yet to comment on the other things I've said. I've definitely posted enough for you to develop a read on me aside from a single post you found not genuine. |
...better to be hated for what you are than loved for something you are not. |
aa-dono said: Don't like answering questions for others but they literally say why in the same post you quoted. And they've had an eye on Karote for some time.PaiiiaRomana said: Why? How does Karote lynch is better than either me or RE?karote still better lynch |
...better to be hated for what you are than loved for something you are not. |
RE said: i think i missed it. post?aa-dono said: Don't like answering questions for others but they literally say why in the same post you quoted. And they've had an eye on Karote for some time.Why? How does Karote lynch is better than either me or RE? |
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ironace said: ~.~RE said: i think i missed it. post?Don't like answering questions for others but they literally say why in the same post you quoted. And they've had an eye on Karote for some time. |
...better to be hated for what you are than loved for something you are not. |
RE said: I don't think what I did was shade. If I was going to shade, I would've did it better :Paa-dono said: I'm bothered because you simultaneously agreed with and shaded me. I thought you were unjustified in saying that you agreed with me yet found me not genuine. You discredited me while using my idea to put on the image that you were scumhunting.vote: RE I'm not sure if you're just an overdefensive town but you don't seem like one. I don't see why someone would be so bothered by "genuine". Unless they're not. You hadn't said anything about a read on me aside from calling me not genuine. So I would say yes, your tonal read did outweigh whatever you made of my other posts. You also have not yet addressed my point against you regarding you wanting to sheep others on ironace despite not saying anything about him prior. You calling me not genuine pinged me. But you setting yourself up to voting ironace later on sold you as scum to me. I don't think it's odd to agree with someone but don't think their intentions are the same. I may have suspected Kiiruma on that first point, but I find you voting him for that while holding back other reads doesn't feel right. (Though I feel better now that you're pushing other reads tbf - hate that it's me). How is that discrediting? I didn't say anything because I don't have a read, I was forming one. I was gonna sheep :/ If I have anything on him before, I wouldn't say I'm gonna sheep. I'd pursue it myself. I recall saying I will sheep if I have my own scumread to pursue.. but that was before I went after you. I don't really understand what's wrong with that. |
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RE said: I agree with scum more times than with town, so I'm more careful about thoughts that are similar to mine.aa-dono said: I don't understand this logic.But I don't townread you. So while I agree with it back then, I was wouldn't just vote with you while I haven't sorted you out + have little else to ask Kiiruma. You would rather vote with your townreads on someone you have no read on than vote someone you have suspicion of just because there's a player you haven't sorted out voting them as well? That seems like poor play. And you still have yet to comment on the other things I've said. I've definitely posted enough for you to develop a read on me aside from a single post you found not genuine. |
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aa-dono said: Because you were essentially saying you'd vote him for another player's case, because you townread them, not because you actually agreed with the case. Without using your own reasoning for voting others, how can we get hold of your mindset? Town scumhunt. Sheeping is not scumhunting.I recall saying I will sheep if I have my own scumread to pursue.. but that was before I went after you. I don't really understand what's wrong with that. You and Kiiruma feel aligned. You said you *would* suspect him, but you didn't know what to think of me. You used your read of me to dodge voting Kiiruma. That's discrediting. You could ask for my reads. I had some, but not ones I was terribly confident in. I don't see how it's AI to prioritize scumreads rather than townreads. |
...better to be hated for what you are than loved for something you are not. |
aa-dono said: How do you usually scumhunt then? If you're worried about pursuing your reads because others you are unsure of share them.I agree with scum more times than with town, so I'm more careful about thoughts that are similar to mine. |
...better to be hated for what you are than loved for something you are not. |
RE said: First of all, it's "I recall saying I will sheep if I don't have my own scumread to pursue.."aa-dono said: Because you were essentially saying you'd vote him for another player's case, because you townread them, not because you actually agreed with the case. Without using your own reasoning for voting others, how can we get hold of your mindset? Town scumhunt. Sheeping is not scumhunting.I recall saying I will sheep if I have my own scumread to pursue.. but that was before I went after you. I don't really understand what's wrong with that. You and Kiiruma feel aligned. You said you *would* suspect him, but you didn't know what to think of me. You used your read of me to dodge voting Kiiruma. That's discrediting. You could ask for my reads. I had some, but not ones I was terribly confident in. I don't see how it's AI to prioritize scumreads rather than townreads. I do know that - the part where sheeping is not scumhunting. Hence if I ever sheep, I'd make it clear. I don't have much to say about ironace, nor did I interact with him or have anything in particular to ask. At the time, I have no one I felt like pursuing so I said I'd sheep. No no, I said I did suspect him. I just don't feel like voting him based of that suspicion. I was wary because I agreed with that read, but felt like your vote there doesn't match you not voting lil_logic and other behaviours. I'm not furthering this part unless you're back in the scummy radar. ... I was asking? I don't get the last sentence. |
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RE said: Trying this and that until I get the hang of which works for me.aa-dono said: How do you usually scumhunt then? If you're worried about pursuing your reads because others you are unsure of share them.I agree with scum more times than with town, so I'm more careful about thoughts that are similar to mine. I'm not worried about pursuing reads. Careful =/= worried. If you meant about Kiiruma, he's just not here yet for me to say anything. I'm still trying to see more of Karote. I haven't played in a while, and it threw me off seeing Karote being active. I don't mean the post a lot or lurk sort. I mean tone-wise. I'm used to seeing a passive sounded person, and I'm not sure if it's AI. So for them, I'm on observation mode until I'm not x) I'm not against his line of questioning towards ironace though. What do you think of Paaii's read on Karote then? |
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| Work has me tied up. I'll catch up with the thread once I get off today. |
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| @PaiiiaRomana Could you elaborate that Karote read? |
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aa-dono said: That's my point. Did you not care for why Wisp wanted to vote ironace? I already pointed out that their reasoning was invalid. There was no case against ironace. Which is alright, that was there misunderstanding and it was a fair one. However, you said nothing about it and were willing to sheep an invalid case. That's not alright. It suggests to me you either were not paying attention and/or was happy to plant a vote later on an agreed upon scum read, which would absolve yourself of responsibility because if ironace is town, it wasn't your reasoning that was wrong, it was Wisp and Phraze's.First of all, it's "I recall saying I will sheep if I don't have my own scumread to pursue.." I do know that - the part where sheeping is not scumhunting. Hence if I ever sheep, I'd make it clear. I don't have much to say about ironace, nor did I interact with him or have anything in particular to ask. At the time, I have no one I felt like pursuing so I said I'd sheep. No no, I said I did suspect him. I just don't feel like voting him based of that suspicion. I was wary because I agreed with that read, but felt like your vote there doesn't match you not voting lil_logic and other behaviours. I'm not furthering this part unless you're back in the scummy radar. What? Why would I vote lil_logic? What other behaviors?This sounds like you're making things up on spot. ... I was asking? You said that it didn't feel right that I was voting Kiiruma while not pushing my other reads. I don't think it's AI to push someone while not immediately revealing the other reads. If you found my post not genuine because I wasn't pushing other reads though, why not ask for them? There was plenty of time between when I made that post and before you actually commented on it. Instead you waited until I asked you about Kiiruma. Which I asked, by the way, because you said you would go for ironace so I was wondering what you thought of Kiiruma, who I felt had more reason to be scum.I don't get the last sentence. |
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aa-dono said: What is your read on Kiiruma exactly? I thought you scumleaned him based on agreeing with what I said about him. And he's been online since. In my experience, he's a low poster. I don't think you'll get anywhere by just waiting for him to post.If you meant about Kiiruma, he's just not here yet for me to say anything. I'm still trying to see more of Karote. I haven't played in a while, and it threw me off seeing Karote being active. I don't mean the post a lot or lurk sort. I mean tone-wise. I'm used to seeing a passive sounded person, and I'm not sure if it's AI. So for them, I'm on observation mode until I'm not x) It fits in what I saw of him in the Smile mafia game, tone-wise.I'm not against his line of questioning towards ironace though. That's strange. Because I found his questions towards ironace overdefensive. Initially scumleaned him for it, but it's not a big seller. I could see that reaction coming from town. What do you think of Paaii's read on Karote then? I'm alright with it. Like, I'm not really on the same page as her with reads, but I'm okay with what she's doing so far at the moment. I could see why she suspects him, but I'm not sold on him being scum right now. |
...better to be hated for what you are than loved for something you are not. |
| *sigh* We have less than 24 hours remaining in the phase. ironace could be scum but not based on what Phraze and Wisp are pushing him for. We need to consolidate on wagons. People need to vote seriously. |
...better to be hated for what you are than loved for something you are not. |
aa-dono said: simplePaiiiaRomana said: I don't understand the read on me and RE. what mean checked in checked out ? sound like you townread him ? wisp maybe town: confidence phraze maybe town: read on ironace look real lil_logic maybe town: real try to catch scum ? less sure here re maybe scum: actor playing town ? aa-dono maybe scum: excusing not playing ? karote maybe scum: defending from 2 vote, game 12 player actor = trying to act excusing not playing = trying to make excuse for not dedicating to stance (which I think ur guilty of) |
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