| I'm here~ @Grapefruit21 why do u prefer voting urself over me? |
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aa-dono said: SuzakuTsubasa said: Hnn I don't really know. I remember thinking this while looking over the abilities list but I can't recall why I thought that.Would they really benefit from not killing? Even more if they can't kill night 2. If thief acts during the night I doubt they can target themselves, which means someone gets pretty much cleared but if they avoid that they give town 2 days of votes. Would you vote Innocent on grape? Or the confidence thief? I don't know. I know for sure I would vote guilty any other day for a self vote, I wouldn't be 100% confident just from that but I can't see that as a town move (it's actually been a (sometimes heated) debate in every mafia game I've played where someone did that.) But it's day 1, in a 4 players setup with everyone having a decoy so I guess the no lynch day 1 is a possibility. Grapefruit21 said: As for my confidence I'm town so to be voted guilty I'd have to have all 3 people vote against me. So I'm willing to risk it. Does the person being voted also vote on whether they're guilty or not? The rule does say "all players vote" but it feels a bit weird. Bothering you quickly for that @DenjaX In that case you would be right and there's low risk to be voted guilty, but that's true for everyone. So why you out of us 4? |
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| I voted me because I wanted to see reactions but also because I'm detective shamrock and don't want us to lose a decoy to the vote today. |
| And to my understanding all 4 of us vote. Don't think ties are broken just requires majority vote to "lynch". |
| hmmm ok. that wasn't telling |
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| Anyway I think Szuaku had the towniest reaction. Probably going to cop Phraze tonight because she's scariest. Vote: dono I intend to vote innocent. |
| Ok, that makes sense. I won't be here at phase change but if we're going for a no lynch day 1 it doesn't really matter who we go for. Phraze said: hmmm ok. that wasn't telling The self vote thing? We always question it but it's rarely really telling I think. Any opinion about how to use this day 1? |
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| how am I scary?!?! ;-; |
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SuzakuTsubasa said: if game was active, it depends on how a selfvote incriminates others. if game was inactive and u 'gambit', it's NAI. in fact, gambits throw me off.Phraze said: hmmm ok. that wasn't telling The self vote thing? We always question it but it's rarely really telling I think. Any opinion about how to use this day 1? |
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| * adding: good use would be in active and familiar setup |
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SuzakuTsubasa said: The appointed suspect during the Voting Phase can also vote guilty or innocent.aa-dono said: Hnn I don't really know. I remember thinking this while looking over the abilities list but I can't recall why I thought that. Would you vote Innocent on grape? Or the confidence thief? I don't know. I know for sure I would vote guilty any other day for a self vote, I wouldn't be 100% confident just from that but I can't see that as a town move (it's actually been a (sometimes heated) debate in every mafia game I've played where someone did that.) But it's day 1, in a 4 players setup with everyone having a decoy so I guess the no lynch day 1 is a possibility. Grapefruit21 said: As for my confidence I'm town so to be voted guilty I'd have to have all 3 people vote against me. So I'm willing to risk it. Does the person being voted also vote on whether they're guilty or not? The rule does say "all players vote" but it feels a bit weird. Bothering you quickly for that @DenjaX In that case you would be right and there's low risk to be voted guilty, but that's true for everyone. So why you out of us 4? |
Phraze said: how am I scary?!?! ;-; Because the only time I confidently read you correctly was after a fight. I have zero confidence I'd be able successfully scum read you. And if you're town stopping my paranoia would be great. @thread in general I hate self voted and they are bad in normal games. This setup was so different I was happy to use it as a reaction test. And I think Szuaku passed. |
The Suspect has been appointed. Town and the Suspect herself must vote whether they are guilty or innocent. aa-dono was accused to be the Crescent Moon Thief ! Voting Phase has Started! @Phraze @SuzakuTsubasa @aa-dono @Grapefruit21 Timer until the End of Voting Phase |
Grapefruit21 said: Phraze said: how am I scary?!?! ;-; Because the only time I confidently read you correctly was after a fight. I have zero confidence I'd be able successfully scum read you. And if you're town stopping my paranoia would be great. @thread in general I hate self voted and they are bad in normal games. This setup was so different I was happy to use it as a reaction test. And I think Szuaku passed. then ur suspect pool would be in aadono or me. #56 looks like u don't? |
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| In 56 I said Szuaku seemed townie and I intend to cop you. I did say I intended vote innocent on dono but that was after I said I didn't want to lose a decoy on anyone today since I'm going to cop tonight. |
| fair enough Vote: innocent |
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Grapefruit21 said: You may actually catch Phraze!In 56 I said Szuaku seemed townie and I intend to cop you. I did say I intended vote innocent on dono but that was after I said I didn't want to lose a decoy on anyone today since I'm going to cop tonight. Though from her reaction, I'd suggest the cop check be done on Suzaku. vote: innocent |
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| Interesting tell me more because I thought Suzaku had by far the towniest reaction. |
aa-dono said: Phraze's #64 sounds like it comes from a mind of trying to figure you out. If she's the thief, there's no need for that. It's so clearly not reading my words though I have trouble reading it as genuine solving. If you read the post it's referring to her post doesn't make sense. It's not solving confusion it's my words not having the same meaning that I gave them. |
| Vote: innocent |
Grapefruit21 said: Anyway I think Szuaku had the towniest reaction. Probably going to cop Phraze tonight because she's scariest. Vote: dono I intend to vote innocent. This is 56. I don't know how you read it and conclude anything but I suspect Phraze and town read Suzaku. |
| I'm voting innocent because we agreed on it, but I wouldn't be that confident with aa actually. She questioned a bit about the no lynch day 1, but the self vote didn't seem to be much of a problem. Vote: Innocent Phraze said: how am I scary?!?! ;-; I regularly read that about you when playing. What are you doing to them? |
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Grapefruit21 said: I didn't have anything against Suzaku being townread :DGrapefruit21 said: Anyway I think Szuaku had the towniest reaction. Probably going to cop Phraze tonight because she's scariest. Vote: dono I intend to vote innocent. This is 56. I don't know how you read it and conclude anything but I suspect Phraze and town read Suzaku. at least before this post. I read Phraze's reaction in #64 as townish since it sounded like her asking for clarification for your vote, since you brought up your suspicion on her but voted me. I think it makes sense to question since with your plan, it doesn't really matter if you voted Phraze or me if we're going to vote Innocent in the end. Yet for someone thinking about Phraze you thought of voting someone else. Oh well, I'll just wait for the result. |
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SuzakuTsubasa said: that I'm scary? not sure myselfPhraze said: how am I scary?!?! ;-; I regularly read that about you when playing. What are you doing to them? |
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| @Grapefruit21 missed u claiming cop (detective). why claim it? not worried about burglary? |
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| Why would I be worried about the burglary? It doesn't kill me in one go. And only one of the characters mess with investigators. I probably shouldn't have claimed but it felt safe to do so. Actually everyone should probably claim characters now. Claim them. |
| hmm don't see the point in claiming my role if I'll be copped. |
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Final Vote Count: innocent - Phraze, aa-dono, Grapefruit21, SuzakuTsubasa guilty - none Town decided that aa-dono is innocent. aa-dono won't lose their Decoy this Phase!  It is night time... The moon appears to be a Crescent Moon. You're all sleeping... But in the midst of darkness, the Crescent Moon Thief awakens... It is time for work. Night Phase 1 has Started! (No Discussions are allowed during the Night Phase) PM me with your actions if any. @Phraze @SuzakuTsubasa @aa-dono @Grapefruit21 Timer until the End of Night Phase 1 |
It is morning. Who was the target of the Crimson Moon Thief last night?  Grapefruit21 had his Decoy stolen last night! Phraze - has 1 Decoy SuzakuTsubasa - has 1 Decoy aa-dono - has 1 Decoy Grapefruit21 - has 0 Decoy Town has gathered once again to find information about the thief and appointed a new Leader for today. aa-dono has been appointed to be the Leader for this Phase! Discussion Phase has Started! @Phraze @SuzakuTsubasa @aa-dono @Grapefruit21 Timer until the End of Discussion Phase |
| susaku isn't town. Let's kill them please and thank you |
| I was fps'ing. Wanted to make sure my target didn't have their decoy stolen if they were town. If there is a second non town entity then we're in trouble but Suzaku is either a thief or a informant. If informant then the game gets hard but I'm not worried yet. |
| I guess that confirms Grape as town. Grapefruit21 said: I was fps'ing. Wanted to make sure my target didn't have their decoy stolen if they were town. If there is a second non town entity then we're in trouble but Suzaku is either a thief or a informant. If informant then the game gets hard but I'm not worried yet. No I'm not, and I don't get your reasoning here. |
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| You are not town. I checked you. I was lying when I said I was going to check Phraze. |
Grapefruit21 said: You are not town. I checked you. I was lying when I said I was going to check Phraze. You checked me, get a scum result, but don't say clearly "I checked him and he's not town"? I'm doubting your Shamrock claim more than last day now. |
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SuzakuTsubasa said: Grapefruit21 said: You are not town. I checked you. I was lying when I said I was going to check Phraze. You checked me, get a scum result, but don't say clearly "I checked him and he's not town"? I'm doubting your Shamrock claim more than last day now. Funny how 10 minutes ago I was confirmed town and now you're discrediting me. I get it though cops suck. You'll have to try a bit harder than saying I didn't claim it clearly when my first words were: "Suzaku isn't town. Let's kill them please and thank you." |
Grapefruit21 said: SuzakuTsubasa said: You checked me, get a scum result, but don't say clearly "I checked him and he's not town"? I'm doubting your Shamrock claim more than last day now. Funny how 10 minutes ago I was confirmed town and now you're discrediting me. I get it though cops suck. You'll have to try a bit harder than saying I didn't claim it clearly when my first words were: "Suzaku isn't town. Let's kill them please and thank you." Yes, your words were clearly "Suzaku isn't town. Let's kill them please and thank you.", which never mentions any check. I'm not saying you're not town, I doubt scum can target themselves, what I'm doubting is the fact that you're cop. |
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| Which is a silly thing to worry about if you were in fact town and not just trying to wiggle out of this. This makes me think you are thief and not an informant which is great. |
Grapefruit21 said: Which is a silly thing to worry about if you were in fact town and not just trying to wiggle out of this. This makes me think you are thief and not an informant which is great. How can one not doubt a claim day 1 saying "I'm cop." Then next day you say you lied about your target, which returned scum. All that makes me think that either you're cop, your check returned town and you're trying to get the scum out of the others 2 by reactions, or you're not cop at all. |
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Grapefruit21 said: 👍susaku isn't town. Let's kill them please and thank you SuzakuTsubasa said: It doesn't makes sense that you doubt he's a cop, but don't think he's scum.I'm not saying you're not town, I doubt scum can target themselves, what I'm doubting is the fact that you're cop. SuzakuTsubasa said: If you think he's doing this to get a reaction, why did you reveal the reaction test?All that makes me think that either you're cop, your check returned town and you're trying to get the scum out of the others 2 by reactions, or you're not cop at all. |
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| vote: SuzakuTsubasa |
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How does it not make sense? We're in a 4 players setup, one must find a way to spark discussion. I've done something similar in a small situation like that, claiming a role I knew was among the townies left to see their reactions and clear someone. Here, if he's really cop, the best way to handle this would probably be to check someone, and if they return town you lie about it to try to get the scum among the two left. aa-dono said: If you think he's doing this to get a reaction, why did you reveal the reaction test? Because if I keep quiet about it and he ends up saying "nevermind I lied again, I actually checked aa-dono and she's scum" anyone would trust him? That can't be used twice so I don't see how there's a problem with revealing the test. |
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| hmm.. Grape lost decoy so not thief. but even if Grape is telling the truth, what if Suzaku is informant? I'll likely vote innocent if Suzaku. Grape isn't thief. Dono is leader tho.. |
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Phraze said: hmm.. Grape lost decoy so not thief. but even if Grape is telling the truth, what if Suzaku is informant? I'll likely vote innocent if Suzaku. Grape isn't thief. Dono is leader tho.. Why? We have to eliminate the informant too as town. And Suzaku's reaction strongly suggests they aren't the informant. |
| I am not exactly known for gambits. I'll do reaction tests but lying about check results is stupid and anti-town. |
SuzakuTsubasa said: While I can get by your first reason, the second makes no sense.How does it not make sense? We're in a 4 players setup, one must find a way to spark discussion. I've done something similar in a small situation like that, claiming a role I knew was among the townies left to see their reactions and clear someone. Here, if he's really cop, the best way to handle this would probably be to check someone, and if they return town you lie about it to try to get the scum among the two left. aa-dono said: If you think he's doing this to get a reaction, why did you reveal the reaction test? Because if I keep quiet about it and he ends up saying "nevermind I lied again, I actually checked aa-dono and she's scum" anyone would trust him? That can't be used twice so I don't see how there's a problem with revealing the test. There's only one thief so he doesn't have to do that if he caught scum. And if he did get a town result, I don't see what's the issue with trust here. "I lied again, Suzaku's actually town" "I lied again, I actually checked aa-dono, and she's town." "I lied again, I actually checked Phraze, and she's actually town" I don't see why I would find it hard to believe any of those three scenario. |
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| Lying about a potential target is very different to lying about a result. @aa-dono it's not really worth arguing with Suzaku. They aren't town they are doing what they have to do. Can't just give up and admit they aren't town. More important thing is to convince Phraze to vote guilty. |
aa-dono said: SuzakuTsubasa said: While I can get by your first reason, the second makes no sense.How does it not make sense? We're in a 4 players setup, one must find a way to spark discussion. I've done something similar in a small situation like that, claiming a role I knew was among the townies left to see their reactions and clear someone. Here, if he's really cop, the best way to handle this would probably be to check someone, and if they return town you lie about it to try to get the scum among the two left. Because if I keep quiet about it and he ends up saying "nevermind I lied again, I actually checked aa-dono and she's scum" anyone would trust him? That can't be used twice so I don't see how there's a problem with revealing the test. There's only one thief so he doesn't have to do that if he caught scum. And if he did get a town result, I don't see what's the issue with trust here. "I lied again, Suzaku's actually town" "I lied again, I actually checked aa-dono, and she's town." "I lied again, I actually checked Phraze, and she's actually town" I don't see why I would find it hard to believe any of those three scenario. Ah, I think I misworded it. Do you think it would pressure anyone? It's like revealing he was looking at reactions himself. It's a problem only when someone other than the target or the claimed cop say it and it only works once. Grapefruit21 said: Phraze said: hmm.. Grape lost decoy so not thief. but even if Grape is telling the truth, what if Suzaku is informant? I'll likely vote innocent if Suzaku. Grape isn't thief. Dono is leader tho.. Why? We have to eliminate the informant too as town. And Suzaku's reaction strongly suggests they aren't the informant. The informant only wins if thief wins though. |
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| You're right. I was wrong about town win conditions. Makes it even more obvious you are a thief though which is cool. |
Grapefruit21 said: Phraze said: hmm.. Grape lost decoy so not thief. but even if Grape is telling the truth, what if Suzaku is informant? I'll likely vote innocent if Suzaku. Grape isn't thief. Dono is leader tho.. Why? We have to eliminate the informant too as town. And Suzaku's reaction strongly suggests they aren't the informant. wow.. I would say ur thief if it weren't for ur decoy stolen .-. eliminating informant is bad for us. Suzaku's reaction is understandable tbh (or he's informant). what made u say he isn't informant? as for why, I doubt Suzaku is thief. his reaction is understandable, and posts so far haven't changed my mind. besides, no burglary this phase, right? Dono is susp to me. |
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