Sword Art Online Alternative Gun Gale Online (light novel)
| I haven't actually seen this show yet. Partially because I'm apprehensive about watching another SAO, and partially because I prefer to binge watch shows. Basically, the question is this: does removing Kirito from SAO make the show any better? Edit: : Looks like most people hate kirito more than SAO itself. There's no doubt that the first 2 seasons of this show were a dumpster fire, even excluding Kirito. But an isekai show based in a game can't be all that horrible, right? |
AwkwardDragonMay 27, 2018 5:12 AM
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| Honestly, you shouldn't even try and compare this show to the original SAO. DIfferent writer, different studio... Just watch and see if you like it. |
| we hate sao because the female characters are trash |
AwkwardDragon said: I haven't actually seen this show yet. Partially because I'm apprehensive about watching another SAO, and partially because I prefer to binge watch shows. Basically, the question is this: does removing Kirito from SAO make the show any better? Your question is short-sighted. If you want to know if you would like SAO:A:GGO:SJ, you need to tell us why you don't like SAO. If you're just a dumb fuck who believes everything some critic on the net says, you shouldn't ask us, you should ask that critic. If you're part of the SAO-hating hivemind, you should know the answer already. By the way, I hate hiveminds even more than I hate people from the previous category. If you want to know my personal opinion (and I'm sure you don't, but I'm gonna say it anyway just to spite you), SAO is one of the better anime out there, but this show doesn't reach its level. If you're into novels of Japanese origin, though, the SAO:A:GGO:SJ novel is written by a famous author, and the novel shows he totally deserves his fame. The writing itself is pretty damn good. But as it lacks SAO's levels of ambition and (sci-fi as a genre)-ness, it will probably remain an obscure book known only to fans of either SAO or Kino no Tabi. P.S. I really hate polls with obviously incomplete list of answers. Doubly so when it is missing my answer. |
| No it doesn't. The show is pretty much a downgrade to SAO in every way. So I can say that people just hate Kirito if they genuinely love this show. I can't really see how this is even remotely better than the original in any way. But if you're one of those people who jumps on the bandwagon then of course you have to hate this series right off the bat, I mean that is what being in a hate bandwagon is all about. |
dahakere said: I must react after 2 last posts. I saw half of 1st season and droped it. I tried 2nd season and droped it after 5 episodes. I saw whole movie with friends and it sux too. My 2 bigest problems with SAO are: 1) Breaking established rules. I realy hate when anime make rules and after 3 episodes makers forgot them. 2) All main characters and main enemies must have some hard mental disorders. Why ? Its funny ? Or SAO want show us all gamers are crazy faggots ? Why we cant get some normal story about normal people who try achieve something in this game ? GGO is best SAO but its still SAO with all things I hate on SAO. And what I realy hate when people tell me im only part of hate train, hating hivemind, hate bandwagon... no, I saw it and I dislike it because its full of stupid things, thats all. 1) Questioning the "rules" is an important part of being a grown-up. During learning physics, one of the most rigorous branches of science, I had to encounter multiple "everything you were taught before turned out to be bullshit" situations. It is also an important part of Kirito's playstyle. Sure, bending the virtual world's "rules" with psychic powers might seem far-fetched, but sci-fi doesn't have to be strictly realistic. After all, NerveGear's reading/writing to a human's nervous system isn't strictly realistic too. 2) Mental disorders are fun. Just look at the top of the MAL's favorite characters' list. https://myanimelist.net/character.php Most characters there aren't pretty girls, they're charismatic madmen. Not that being a pretty girl gets in the way of being a charismatic madman, as Gasai Yuno can attest. daplin said: I'm just sick of tolkein fantasy shit Lol. |
EGOIST said: No it doesn't. The show is pretty much a downgrade to SAO in every way. So I can say that people just hate Kirito if they genuinely love this show. I can't really see how this is even remotely better than the original in any way. But if you're one of those people who jumps on the bandwagon then of course you have to hate this series right off the bat, I mean that is what being in a hate bandwagon is all about. I actually like this show a lot. I think the old barrier of game/IRL is breaking down and the show reflects it. I guess people view any IRL episode as 'filler', but in this case it raises the stakes to what would otherwise be a boring remainder of the season. |
| This show is worst than both seasons if sao if u ask me |
| Most underated anime on mal: https://myanimelist.net/anime/4651/Yume_no_Crayon_Oukoku?q=Yume%20ni%20crayon |
| It might be too early to comment on the story/plot of GGO. But they could have ended the show at episode 5 and all would have been fine. |
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SprawledOne said: It might be too early to comment on the story/plot of GGO. But they could have ended the show at episode 5 and all would have been fine. Well noticed! Episodes 1-5 are volume 1 of the original novel, and are an "arc" or more-or-less self-contained bit of plot. They happen in manga-based anime too, but they are especially noticeable in novel-based anime like SAO and SAO Alternative. Brace yourself, because the rest of the show is the second arc, which takes 2 volumes, so it's gonna be a bit longer. |
| SAO had a really rushed writing, especially in its' crucial first arc, the Aincrad one. Even Kawahara himself said, that he would like to expand on that first arc and make better character developments (I wish I remembered where I read that in order to give a link). It's not SAO or Kirito. It's just how much work gets put in an arc and the themes that are used. Alfheim arc was an absolute disaster, cause we had the same premise with a lame "bad guy". GGO, Excalibur and Mother's Rosario arcs were more developed in my opinion and especially in Mother's Rosario we got a focus on Asuna and Yuuki. GGO Alt. is even better cause Sigsawa makes miracles, while following the neverending 'death game" policy that exists in SAO. Now I wait to see the Alization arc that is many volumes long. So I suppose Kawarara wrote either a really developed new world or wrote about many different things and put them together. We just have to see. As for Kirito I don't have a problem that he's OP. He's made to be like that (and he's only in a game like that) and he'll continue to be. I just wished he didn't have a harem. Asuna is too good for him xD |
| ***roaming the vast anime universe*** |
Eiruki17 said: The thing that shits me the most is the fucking mc. Wearing bright pink clothing and a stupid hat with ears while everyone else is wearing camo. SO UNIQUE! Like they couldn't find any other way of making her a distinct character other than putting her in pink clothing. And despite the fact she is dressed in bright pink in an FPS game shes still really OP. Pretty much embodies everything wrong with SAO. In case you didn't get the memo, the MC is indeed wearing camo. Pink desert camo. Also, yes, distinct clothing is a must for important characters. Wearing bright orange never got in the way of Naruto being a ninja, after all. Finally, wait until you see Pitohui in action before you declare LLENN "overpowered". LLENN embodies everything that is right in anime. |
dahakere said: Ye, I still have not read good argument why it is good anime for fans Really? Really? Do you even need arguments when you have seen SAO with your own eyes? * Protagonist who is like me (and like a lot of other people) - a gamer. He gets to be awesome, kick ass, impress girls and date the prettiest of them. Which is gratifying, even if Kirito is actually his own person and not exactly a self-insert character. * Villains with understandable motivation. Unlike Kinoko Nasu's villains, one doesn't need a philosophy thesis to make sense of the villains of SAO. They do things I want to do, except that I know it's bad thing to do, so I don't do them. Maybe that's the reason I find Sugou/Oberon so easy to hate. * Sci-fi exploring relevant themes - computer games, their bugs and quirks, and the way they interact with people. It might be imperfect, but at least, SAO is not written by somebody who has clearly not played computer games and is writing just to demonize them. There are too many "sci-fi" that doesn't explore any sciency themes at all. SAO is a rare exception. As usual, the book is better, but anime is notable enough too. * Girls. Pretty girls. Cute girls. The best part is, Kirito gets to actually date Asuna instead of just confessing in the final episode. This doesn't happen every day, you know. Both before SAO and after SAO, there are plenty of comedies where people like one another, but not many anime where people have actual relationships. * Pretty graphics, cools music by famous composer - SAO seems to have cost more money than other anime, and it was put to good use. * Not getting stuck on boring things. Everybody's got a favorite arc, because SAO changes often enough. It was the bane of many earlier shows - they had a formula, and they stuck to it episode after episode or arc after arc. It still happens these days. But SAO is varied enough to never overstay its welcome. In short, it's easy to explain why SAO is good for its fans. I don't mind that you're not a fan, because most of these arguments paint a rather specific portrait of the fan. Which is kind of like me. |
Daniel_Naumov said: flannan said: Really? Really? Do you even need arguments when you have seen SAO with your own eyes? * Protagonist who is like me (and like a lot of other people) - a gamer. He gets to be awesome, kick ass, impress girls and date the prettiest of them. Which is gratifying, even if Kirito is actually his own person and not exactly a self-insert character. * Villains with understandable motivation. Unlike Kinoko Nasu's villains, one doesn't need a philosophy thesis to make sense of the villains of SAO. They do things I want to do, except that I know it's bad thing to do, so I don't do them. Maybe that's the reason I find Sugou/Oberon so easy to hate. * Sci-fi exploring relevant themes - computer games, their bugs and quirks, and the way they interact with people. It might be imperfect, but at least, SAO is not written by somebody who has clearly not played computer games and is writing just to demonize them. There are too many "sci-fi" that doesn't explore any sciency themes at all. SAO is a rare exception. As usual, the book is better, but anime is notable enough too. * Girls. Pretty girls. Cute girls. The best part is, Kirito gets to actually date Asuna instead of just confessing in the final episode. This doesn't happen every day, you know. Both before SAO and after SAO, there are plenty of comedies where people like one another, but not many anime where people have actual relationships. * Pretty graphics, cools music by famous composer - SAO seems to have cost more money than other anime, and it was put to good use. * Not getting stuck on boring things. Everybody's got a favorite arc, because SAO changes often enough. It was the bane of many earlier shows - they had a formula, and they stuck to it episode after episode or arc after arc. It still happens these days. But SAO is varied enough to never overstay its welcome. In short, it's easy to explain why SAO is good for its fans. I don't mind that you're not a fan, because most of these arguments paint a rather specific portrait of the fan. Which is kind of like me. Now please arguments why it is good for art connoisseurs. Just to have more or less complete picture, y'know. Ladies and gentlemen! To the right you see SAO, the milestone anime that paved the way for "Light Novel Adaptation" class of anime that later gave us such masterpieces as the Monogatari series and No Game No Life. The production committee made a brave decision to adapt a light novel, and spent a lot of money to ensure this new ground remains opened. As you can see, the graphics was revolutionary for its time, and outshines modern mass-produced anime. The music was composed by Yuki Kajiura, famous for having her music video shown in TV anime format as ".hack//Sign", but also the author of a lot of memorable soundtracks for famous shows like Fate/Zero and Mai Hime. This anime's soundtrack is written in her characteristic style, so you would have probably recognized her even if I haven't told you. SAO is a work in the post-cyberpunk genre, representing mankind stopping to fear technology and embracing it instead. The characters get trapped in a video games, encounter criminals using virtual reality as a cover for their crimes and so on, but they don't let it get to them. They recover from psychological trauma, help each other, find love and just have a good time. In contrast to the portrait of a stereotypical gamer pushed by mainstream culture, SAO characters are capable and sociable people even when away from their computers, and they balance real and virtual worlds without much problems when they are released from the initial "trapped in a video game" situation. During the anime adaptation, SAO converted from "main story and side stories in supplemental material" format of the book to a versatile story that covers different things every episode, defying the idea that virtual reality is something one needs to "escape" at all costs, and instead takes its time to explore different possibilities and aspects of their new life. As most great works, SAO can only be truly understood by reading all the supplemental material and knowing the cultural context of its time. 2012 was a year when anime was facing a crisis of creativity as expanding anime industry had no good manga to adapt, with "Kill me Baby" being a representative anime of its time. Shows like "Symphogear" were attempting to tackle the problem with originality, but we all know that "original anime" means "dumb action with no reason", because that's what anime as a medium is best suited to. People desiring intellectual stimulation were being left by the wayside, and only the light novels, with their propensity for deep thought, could save the day. |
dahakere said: Do you even need arguments when you have seen SAO with your own eyes? "Protagonist who is like me" - Badass guy playing games. Best player in game. He is lonely wolf. Suddenly, he becomes magnet for all girls he meets for some reasons. (He is not like me or like someone other in real life. He is walking anime cliche) Being badass and being liked by girls is a consequence of being a protagonist. That is not what makes Kirito like me or makes me like him. Being a technology person and thinking about things are parts of Kirito which endear him to me. [insert rant about musclebrain protagonists here] dahakere said: (if you have psychological problems, go to the psychiatrist, he will help you better as a video game) :) First, psychiatrist and psychologist are different people. Psychiatrist is the guy who gives you pills that will make the voices go away. Psychologist is a guy who will talk you out of suicide. Second, well, these people didn't help Sinon. In fact, anime psychologists have a bad track record, when they even exist. But most importantly, unless your culture considers visiting a psychologist normal, it's pretty hard to do so! Psychologically and socially, of course. I wasn't a cookie cutter child when I was young, and my parents once tried threatening me to send me to the psych. I told them they should do so. Do you think they actually sent me? Not at all. dahakere said: "Villains with understandable motivation" I remember main reason why I droped 1st SAO after 1st half of searies. It was not Fairy characters. It was scene with main villain of anime. Because he didn't know why he did what he did... "Why you murder all this people ?" "WHY ?" "Sorry I forgot this reason why i start killing innoncent people. :D Can you really remember the chain of thought that led you to an important decision that happened over a year ago? Kayaba is not the kind of villain that has a specific story about his favorite puppy getting killed to tell. He is just the sort of obsessive guy who would invent a totally new technology just to make his dream come true. dahakere said: Movie: Villian was mentally disturbed guy who lost daughter and try "remake" her from memories of ALL SAO survivors. ALL, not only from players who met her, but from ALL players who never seen her = they don't have any memories on her. I see some problems with it. :) I see you aren't a programmer. That's the way we deal with problems - by throwing excessive processing power and leaving optimization to somebody else (who will probably never happen). dahakere said: Girls - harem of annoying girls + unrealistic comedy relationship with in-game parody to familly ... meh I liked the "family" relationship a lot, but I guess it's up to the person. dahakere said: "Pretty graphics, cools music by famous composer" - OST is good (I don't like it much but it's about music taste) animations in today standarts is average. There are many anime looking worse but also much better. I am not talking about animations. In fact, I know nothing about animations, I only care about still pictures. dahakere said: "Not getting stuck on boring things" - I don't watch to long animes, so I can't compare it very much. It's a problem for me, because I have watched too many long anime, and now I don't have the patience for things getting stuck or getting too repetitive. dahakere said: But most of anime changes between arks environments and characters, it's just normal element. Here whole games changes, but point is same. Other enviroments, other characters, other weapons. Same as in many other. The thing about SAO is, it changes genres and approaches, not just window dressing. One day, Kirito saves the day by intimidating some thugs, the next he does so by sitting, thinking and having an "eureka" moment. |
Daniel_Naumov said: And this flannan said: As most great works, SAO can only be truly understood by reading all the supplemental material and knowing the cultural context of its time. is just wrong. Here I am with cultural context alone and look how far I got in this narrative. Sorry, I kind of run out of steam by the time I got to that paragraph. I am not much of an art connoisseur myself. Disclaimer: I most things I told about context were totally random. For example, the same season that had Kill Me Baby, also had Mouretsu Uchuu Kaizoku, remarkable for its sci-fi hardness while still telling a fun story about a schoolgirl who is a part-time space pirate. |
| lol Why does it matter to you which is hated more by others? If YOU hate Kirito then you can give this a shot because Kirito is not in it but if YOU hate SAO then it might be better for you to just skip it. It must be really tough and stressful for those who overly analyze and criticize anime. If I really don't like a title, I just drop it and move on to the next anime. The more time you spend hating on some anime, the less time you can spend on anime you do like. No matter how much an anime is hated, there will always be people who like it, and those people are likely the target market of the show. |
EnglishMuffins said: Isidoro4567 said: I hate the sao franchise,ggo is not good at least for me the story is bad the MC is stupid like you don't like to be tall?lmao i don't know where This anime is trying to go i hate it Well for asian standard, especially for japanese woman, she is considered to be too tall, that make her almost completely different to the others. It is fair to feel anxious and uncomfortable to walk around with her low self esteem. There just nothing to debate about that, it just you that purely being ignorant. I bet you haven't even fully watch the first episode and more of the like "fuck this show, there no kirito and his nonsense OP fantasy with pathetic harem". You just a typical hater and it ends at that. Personally, GGO alternative is far more better than the original SAO, quite enjoyable and far more better than the first and original SAO ( not the reboot SAO version ofc). Do you think that the upcoming SAO:Alicization would be better than the first two seasons of SAO? Because i have heard people say that Alicization is both better and longer than any other SAO arc |
| I honestly just hate Kiri-stu and the "get as many harem trophies" plot the original SAO had. GGO is just about playing games, no overpowered hacks and CEOs trying to rape highschool girls. |
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dahakere said: What do you want from me ? Unleash "war" until probably biggest SAO fan on MAL change his opinion and start dislike SAO too? Biggest fan on MAL? I doubt it. I even rated anime just 8 out of 10 for not living up to the novel. I'm just more articulate than most MAL posters. At least, when I'm in the mood for posting on forums. dahakere said: Can you really remember the chain of thought that led you to an important decision that happened over a year ago? If my dream included becoming mass murderer, I would probably remember why I put into game function that killed hundreds (thousands ?) of people. 1) If I remember correctly, it's about 3000 dead players. About as much as cars kill in a day. It probably doesn't even put SAO in the list of top 5 most lethal extreme sports, considering it took a whole year of ceaseless playing to reach just 30% fatality rate. This article claims that 10 deaths per year per "few thousand" cave divers in the world makes it one of the most lethal sports, but cave divers aren't living in underwater caves all year long. 2) Yes, you and me, we would probably remember why we decided to kill a lot of people. We value people's lives, and the day we decide to kill a lot of them for the sake of something more important would be the most important day in our lives. But for Kayaba, it was Tuesday. He doesn't really value people's lives, and that's what makes him a villain. |
| Where's the option of Reki Kawahara? He was one of the main reasons SAO sucked so much imo. He wrote an interesting premise but really really bad characters and a storyline. |
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