Why do members of the Gintama community over inflate Gintama's MAL scores?

shanimebib said:
I didn't want to get into the SAO thing in a Gintama thread because SAO literally was so bad that I couldn't bring myself to see how I could find an anime that was the most self-inserting anime in decades to be enjoyable.

And for all the wrong reasons. Kirito as a protagonist had everything that I disliked in a protagonist. The same reason why I couldn't bring myself to finish Mahouka Koukou no Rettousei which I placed on hold for indefinite amount of days now. Will I ever get back to that anime as well? I dunno. Maybe it will eventually go to my ever growing list of dropped anime. But let's not go to Mahouka Koukou.

I have noticed that majority of the SAO diehard fans are either really new to anime or haven't explored all the genres in anime. I am sure if SAO was one of first 10-20 anime, I would ogle all over it. But unfortunately for me, I had seen my fair share of anime so I could neither objectively nor subjectively rate it any higher than I did.

Even though I found the characters, which are the most importing thing for me in anime, are trashy, especially Kirito and his harem (mind it they fall head over heels for him for apparent no reason whatsoever), and killing off the only character I found admirable in the beginning, who was initially shown as a strong-willed girl and worthy of my interest a.k.a Asuna to a damsel in distress, trashy waifu of a shallow of a character like Kirito was enough to give the anime a 1/10 for having wasted so much of my time on it, yet I gave the anime a 4/10 because despite everything that is said, I couldn't ignore the initial promise it showed, the clean art, excellent background images and original soundtrack and such which at least warranted "something" for it.

You can only give an anime a 1/10 if it's say for example something like Mars of Destruction or something.

I cannot even bring myself to understand how some people are justifying that Saiki S2 (an anime I've never seen), Violet Evergarden (an anime I really liked just on episode 1 alone), Darling in the FranXX (an anime I thought was average at best) or Nanatsu no Taizai S2 (an anime I eventually plan to see) getting barrages of 1/10s and they deserve those scores to "balance out" the 10/10s. Like the F*CK?!

Gintama will remain one of my best decisions as an anime fan. And I thank the MAL community as a whole to make me experience it. If it never got that high score, I would probably not have seen it ever, having not so pleasant experience with Bleach as a long running shounen in the past. I lost interest in Shingeki no Kyojin midway the second season. I lost interest in One Piece after watching more than 50 episodes. I don't see that happening with me for Gintama. If anything, I am more invested in it than any other anime. I am sure majority of the Gintama fans feel that way. I am sure majority of One Piece, Detective Conan or Fairy Tail anime share the same passion for these anime.

Anyone ever cared and stopped for a second to think why Bleach and Naruto, which form the Main Three with One Piece in the industry are never mentioned in 100 greatest anime of the century in polls conducted in Japan but Gintama is? Anyone stopped for a second and think why Sorachi is voted as Japan's most favourite mangaka? If this isn't enough, time to slash this thread.

shanimebib said:


I didn't want to get into the SAO thing in a Gintama thread because SAO literally was so bad that I couldn't bring myself to see how I could find an anime that was the most self-inserting anime in decades to be enjoyable.

And for all the wrong reasons. Kirito as a protagonist had everything that I disliked in a protagonist. The same reason why I couldn't bring myself to finish Mahouka Koukou no Rettousei which I placed on hold for indefinite amount of days now. Will I ever get back to that anime as well? I dunno. Maybe it will eventually go to my ever growing list of dropped anime. But let's not go to Mahouka Koukou.

I have noticed that majority of the SAO diehard fans are either really new to anime or haven't explored all the genres in anime. I am sure if SAO was one of first 10-20 anime, I would ogle all over it. But unfortunately for me, I had seen my fair share of anime so I could neither objectively nor subjectively rate it any higher than I did.

Even though I found the characters, which are the most importing thing for me in anime, are trashy, especially Kirito and his harem (mind it they fall head over heels for him for apparent no reason whatsoever), and killing off the only character I found admirable in the beginning, who was initially shown as a strong-willed girl and worthy of my interest a.k.a Asuna to a damsel in distress, trashy waifu of a shallow of a character like Kirito was enough to give the anime a 1/10 for having wasted so much of my time on it, yet I gave the anime a 4/10 because despite everything that is said, I couldn't ignore the initial promise it showed, the clean art, excellent background images and original soundtrack and such which at least warranted "something" for it.

You can only give an anime a 1/10 if it's say for example something like Mars of Destruction or something.

I cannot even bring myself to understand how some people are justifying that Saiki S2 (an anime I've never seen), Violet Evergarden (an anime I really liked just on episode 1 alone), Darling in the FranXX (an anime I thought was average at best) or Nanatsu no Taizai S2 (an anime I eventually plan to see) getting barrages of 1/10s and they deserve those scores to "balance out" the 10/10s. Like the F*CK?!

Gintama will remain one of my best decisions as an anime fan. And I thank the MAL community as a whole to make me experience it. If it never got that high score, I would probably not have seen it ever, having not so pleasant experience with Bleach as a long running shounen in the past. I lost interest in Shingeki no Kyojin midway the second season. I lost interest in One Piece after watching more than 50 episodes. I don't see that happening with me for Gintama. If anything, I am more invested in it than any other anime. I am sure majority of the Gintama fans feel that way. I am sure majority of One Piece, Detective Conan or Fairy Tail anime share the same passion for these anime.

Anyone ever cared and stopped for a second to think why Bleach and Naruto, which form the Main Three with One Piece in the industry are never mentioned in 100 greatest anime of the century in polls conducted in Japan but Gintama is? Anyone stopped for a second and think why Sorachi is voted as Japan's most favourite mangaka? If this isn't enough, time to slash this thread.

kisb said:


Hating on stuff doesnt make you cool bro.

It just makes you grumpy Oscar the grouch
Going like ugghhh people love Christmas. look at everybody happy. i hate Christmas

kisb said:


Yeah it Just goes to show that MAL ranking scores are truly legit

spacebishijesus said:


I didn't ever say nor imply that hating is cool, nor am I hating to begin with.

I don't know if you're baiting or actually retarded but regardless your very presence is a detriment to this already cancerous thread.

kisb said:


OOOOh so you are not hating on it. it just felt like you were saying you hated a show because you felt like the fanbase was toxic
Must have misunderstood. My mistake. How retarded of me. Glad you dont hate the show

spacebishijesus said:

Except popularity would be measured by member count, not scores...

And only the first and second season of Gintama have decent member counts/ Nor is MAL 100% representative.

spacebishijesus said:


lmao I said dislike. Hate is a strong word mate. And you're not exactly disproving my point about you being toxic are you?

spacebishijesus said:

"Anyone ever cared and stopped for a second to think why Bleach and Naruto, which form the Main Three with One Piece in the industry are never mentioned in 100 greatest anime of the century in polls conducted in Japan but Gintama is? Anyone stopped for a second and think why Sorachi is voted as Japan's most favourite mangaka? If this isn't enough, time to slash this thread."

The reason behind that is that Naruto and Bleach are over. Their serialization has ended and therefore they are no longer in contention. I don't know how much (or how little) you know about anime, but partially due to how much comes out and partially because of who actually votes in those polls you'd be unlikely to see Naruto or Bleach there on account of the aforementioned reasons. Comparing Eastern and Western taste is not fair and is not relevant as I was addressing this to MAL. Addtionally, if you did ask a Western audience, I'd say undoubtedly that Bleach and Naruto would rank higher than Gintama.

shanimebib said:

Anyone ever cared and stopped for a second to think why Bleach and Naruto, which form the Main Three with One Piece in the industry are never mentioned in 100 greatest anime of the century in polls conducted in Japan but Gintama is? Anyone stopped for a second and think why Sorachi is voted as Japan's most favourite mangaka? If this isn't enough, time to slash this thread.

shanimebib said:
No worries. I just reported this thread to be locked seeing how the OP is hellbent to prove Gintama fans as toxic.

shanimebib said:


Also, I know you'd take that so I left some titles out intentionally as Fullmetal Alchemist (an anime that ended) does appear in these polls, so does Hunter X Hunter. And many others. It has nothing to do with continuity. I was referring to the anime, mind it. As for the mangaka, the list had Oda (OP) in second, Toriyama (DB) at third, Arakawa (FMA) at fourth, Araki (JoJo) at fifth, Kishimoto (Naruto) at eight, Togashi (HXH) at eleventh etc.

In MAL itself good enough platform to show that Gintama would give those two anime a run for the money. Gintama has 32.5K in favourites compared to 32.4K for Naruto and 39.5K for bleach, when the number of viewers is significantly smaller compared to those two series even in MAL. That alone shows the Gintama has higher retention of fans and hence the what you say as INFLATED SCORES.



You are trying to grab straws here. This won't get you anywhere. Don't ever create a bullshit thread like this when you cannot defend your arguments and come with counter arguments without any basis when facts are stated.

You are now in my list of ignored users.

HotaruKara said:


I think this says it all, great comment. And yeah, this thread should be locked. Your two comments are the best ones on this thread and other than that, this thread was useless. And unfortunately a waste of my time.
I guess it was worth reading for your comments tho.

shanimebib said:


Also, I know you'd take that so I left some titles out intentionally as Fullmetal Alchemist (an anime that ended) does appear in these polls, so does Hunter X Hunter. And many others. It has nothing to do with continuity. I was referring to the anime, mind it. As for the mangaka, the list had Oda (OP) in second, Toriyama (DB) at third, Arakawa (FMA) at fourth, Araki (JoJo) at fifth, Kishimoto (Naruto) at eight, Togashi (HXH) at eleventh etc.

In MAL itself good enough platform to show that Gintama would give those two anime a run for the money. Gintama has 32.5K in favourites compared to 32.4K for Naruto and 39.5K for bleach, when the number of viewers is significantly smaller compared to those two series even in MAL. That alone shows the Gintama has higher retention of fans and hence the what you say as INFLATED SCORES.



You are trying to grab straws here. This won't get you anywhere. Don't ever create a bullshit thread like this when you cannot defend your arguments and come with counter arguments without any basis when facts are stated.

You are now in my list of ignored users.

shanimebib said:


Also, I know you'd take that so I left some titles out intentionally as Fullmetal Alchemist (an anime that ended) does appear in these polls, so does Hunter X Hunter. And many others. It has nothing to do with continuity. I was referring to the anime, mind it. As for the mangaka, the list had Oda (OP) in second, Toriyama (DB) at third, Arakawa (FMA) at fourth, Araki (JoJo) at fifth, Kishimoto (Naruto) at eight, Togashi (HXH) at eleventh etc.

In MAL itself good enough platform to show that Gintama would give those two anime a run for the money. Gintama has 32.5K in favourites compared to 32.4K for Naruto and 39.5K for bleach, when the number of viewers is significantly smaller compared to those two series even in MAL. That alone shows the Gintama has higher retention of fans and hence the what you say as INFLATED SCORES.



You are trying to grab straws here. This won't get you anywhere. Don't ever create a bullshit thread like this when you cannot defend your arguments and come with counter arguments without any basis when facts are stated.

You are now in my list of ignored users.

shanimebib said:


Also, I know you'd take that so I left some titles out intentionally as Fullmetal Alchemist (an anime that ended) does appear in these polls, so does Hunter X Hunter. And many others. It has nothing to do with continuity. I was referring to the anime, mind it. As for the mangaka, the list had Oda (OP) in second, Toriyama (DB) at third, Arakawa (FMA) at fourth, Araki (JoJo) at fifth, Kishimoto (Naruto) at eight, Togashi (HXH) at eleventh etc.

In MAL itself good enough platform to show that Gintama would give those two anime a run for the money. Gintama has 32.5K in favourites compared to 32.4K for Naruto and 39.5K for bleach, when the number of viewers is significantly smaller compared to those two series even in MAL. That alone shows the Gintama has higher retention of fans and hence the what you say as INFLATED SCORES.



You are trying to grab straws here. This won't get you anywhere. Don't ever create a bullshit thread like this when you cannot defend your arguments and come with counter arguments without any basis when facts are stated.

You are now in my list of ignored users.

shanimebib said:


Also, I know you'd take that so I left some titles out intentionally as Fullmetal Alchemist (an anime that ended) does appear in these polls, so does Hunter X Hunter. And many others. It has nothing to do with continuity. I was referring to the anime, mind it. As for the mangaka, the list had Oda (OP) in second, Toriyama (DB) at third, Arakawa (FMA) at fourth, Araki (JoJo) at fifth, Kishimoto (Naruto) at eight, Togashi (HXH) at eleventh etc.

In MAL itself good enough platform to show that Gintama would give those two anime a run for the money. Gintama has 32.5K in favourites compared to 32.4K for Naruto and 39.5K for bleach, when the number of viewers is significantly smaller compared to those two series even in MAL. That alone shows the Gintama has higher retention of fans and hence the what you say as INFLATED SCORES.



You are trying to grab straws here. This won't get you anywhere. Don't ever create a bullshit thread like this when you cannot defend your arguments and come with counter arguments without any basis when facts are stated.

You are now in my list of ignored users.

shanimebib said:


Also, I know you'd take that so I left some titles out intentionally as Fullmetal Alchemist (an anime that ended) does appear in these polls, so does Hunter X Hunter. And many others. It has nothing to do with continuity. I was referring to the anime, mind it. As for the mangaka, the list had Oda (OP) in second, Toriyama (DB) at third, Arakawa (FMA) at fourth, Araki (JoJo) at fifth, Kishimoto (Naruto) at eight, Togashi (HXH) at eleventh etc.

In MAL itself good enough platform to show that Gintama would give those two anime a run for the money. Gintama has 32.5K in favourites compared to 32.4K for Naruto and 39.5K for bleach, when the number of viewers is significantly smaller compared to those two series even in MAL. That alone shows the Gintama has higher retention of fans and hence the what you say as INFLATED SCORES.



You are trying to grab straws here. This won't get you anywhere. Don't ever create a bullshit thread like this when you cannot defend your arguments and come with counter arguments without any basis when facts are stated.

You are now in my list of ignored users.

marcodawidreus said:
im just here to say i read everything
thank you for your attention ;)

Adonc said:
It's funny cause now all the fake Gintama accounts are dropping Saiki Kusuo even though it's collabing with Gintama XD @Hesham1112

spacebishijesus said:


Seriously? That's so petty. Not that I'm surprised given the responses of the fandom in this thread.

kisb said:


You say the fanbase toxic but I have made sure to avoid mentioning Gintama so that i just leave it up to you to assume i like it or that am a fanboy or whatever

miX0N said:
same thing happens with FMA:B

//2short

danangafnan said:

What if that fake account to make Gintama fans get more hate? :/

Adonc said:
Holy crap, what did I walk in on? I just wanted to call out this loser https://myanimelist.net/profile/Hesham1112 and I walk in on straight cancer. Well, from what I've seen, whenever a new Gintama season comes out people on both sides reactively spam scoring and that can be attributed to the fact that MAL allows scoring before anime starts airing. Either way, this will be the last season of Gintama, so...

miX0N said:
same thing happens with FMA:B, just bot accounts who lower the rating of any anime that surpasses their beloved first-place show.

Adonc said:
Holy crap, what did I walk in on? I just wanted to call out this loser https://myanimelist.net/profile/Hesham1112 and I walk in on straight cancer. Well, from what I've seen, whenever a new Gintama season comes out people on both sides reactively spam scoring and that can be attributed to the fact that MAL allows scoring before anime starts airing. Either way, this will be the last season of Gintama, so...

danangafnan said:

What if that fake account to make Gintama fans get more hate? :/

miX0N said:


trash like that needs to be ip-banned forever from MAL

Adonc said:
That's what happens in the Gintama fanbase in reaction to the hundreds of 1's that come in. I imagine that would happen to ANY fanbase on MAL if it gets hated as much as Gintama (certain people think it's their "job" to set the score right, so they create fake accounts, and yes, it creates cancer)

spacebishijesus said:


you clearly are a fanboy though. so what's your point?

spacebishijesus said:


yeah that's fair. why did you want to call him out?

spacebishijesus said:


that'd be a waste of time, setting IP bans takes longer than it does to just get around one.

miX0N said:


trash like that needs to be ip-banned forever from MAL

kisb said:


and what exactly leads you to conclude that one is a fanboy?

miX0N said:


Yeah, i take back my word, seeing as how desperate people like him are, they're just gonna use a vpn and create more accounts. Is there any solution at all to stop these cancerous fucks?

Paul said:
Jeez, the amount of dismissing you do towards any kind of discussion and gloating towards the matter when anyone or anything that even in the slightest bit sides towards you. You're that kind of person who googles hundreds of results only to find sources telling you it's false but believe it to be true because 1 random result says it is true.

There is nothing wrong with the scores, what's wrong is MAL's system of categorizing its franchise individually instead of as a whole. I'm sure someone's mentioned it already if not many, but Gintama suffers from the sequel effect on MAL, in which people who don't like it won't bother with the next and the ones who do continue and obviously the majority of who enjoy it will rate it highly.

Any show that has many sequels has this effect and Gintama is just the prime target because it already started off with high ratings in the first place only making each season higher and taking the top of MAL's lists. Factor in that some people care about ratings religiously for some reason and you got yourself people making alts to downvote these shows.

spacebishijesus said:


are you incorrectly referring to yourself or trying to mean a common person? fanboys are normally blind and stunted in their taste, resulting in conflicts of opinion to dissenters..

no I do not fail to see the irony here

spacebishijesus said:

acting like you know what I'm actually like when I'm not baiting on online websites. irl I'm better than you.

Adonc said:
That's what happens in the Gintama fanbase in reaction to the hundreds of 1's that come in. I imagine that would happen to ANY fanbase on MAL if it gets hated as much as Gintama (certain people think it's their "job" to set the score right, so they create fake accounts, and yes, it creates cancer)

kisb said:


Good
Simply put: I did not give any opinion of Gintama during our discussion so calling me a fanboy is incorrect

I was simply talking about haters in general.