Normal Game v1: Mostly Seinen Mafia | GAME OVER - Web of Lies

Gruffin said:
Because the believability of Kit's claim has nothing to do with her townreading you? It matches up with Sleip's claim in flavor and ability, so she must have it.

Gruffin said:
@Phraze Let me get this straight:

You think that Rosie is town because she suspected Cross and Roz D2 and you think they are scum (2510), but when Kit suspects Roz, it's because they're buddies (2516)?

The one I outlined in my case at the start of this Day.

Because the believability of Kit's claim has nothing to do with her townreading you? It matches up with Sleip's claim in flavor and ability, so she must have it.

AlbertinoDias said:
I was writing a post and my phone erased everything... so... the summary: for the love of God everyone, just claim so everyone can analise the claims cuz I don't see us getting anywhere like this...
I'm the medicine seller, I can confirm if someone has used an night action, and I can confirm that day4, if Abu is still alive, then I have no more to say, he is town, if he's dead, we'll see anyway,

Phraze said:
and honestly, I would like Gruffin to explain to me how
surviving 2 EoD trains
D1 scummy behavior when cornered
and tunneling on me rather than Cross who hammered claimed pr
makes Roz town

what if I'm bussing?
be grateful
I don't see why anyone would oppose a Roz lynch
its the least likely to backfire

RE1031 said:
@AbuHumaid
I'm claiming flavor. I'm Kurapika. Wanna come back? :3

@Crossbell Why did you think Dias was going to die? Also, why are you so quick to dismiss the possibility of a mafia roleblocker? Additionally, there are many other roles that could screw up the results - redirector, for example.

@AlbertinoDias
How does your ability work? Do you choose one person a night and learn whether they used a night action or not? If that is the case, who did you target for the past two nights?

Phraze said:
would like clarification on that. u think the medicine seller is bad so it confirms?

Gruffin said:
Do you mean you've confirmed Abu?
This is completely misrepresenting what I've said about you and Roz. >_>

I'm not even townreading him right now.

AlbertinoDias said:

yes it is, you and cross, both use a night action, but it could still be a mafia using it
no, because I asked that question...

Gruffin said:
Do you mean you've confirmed Abu?
This is completely misrepresenting what I've said about you and Roz. >_>

I'm not even townreading him right now.

RE1031 said:
But it doesn't guarantee her alignment. What do you make of the timing of her claim? Do you think she had a reason to claim, especially considering she made this post:where she shades me for my claim?
Also, what is your current read on me?

lastwhisper31 said:
honestly this is why I'm not gunna spend all day focusing on this. Where do we draw the line on who's bussing, pocketing and etc... We can't keep being divided, so how voting Cross with us?

lastwhisper31 said:
@Gruffin actually keep doing what ur doing, this might actually help me sort out Roz Vs Phraze. But I don't think my Kit or Cross scum slots will change any time soon

Gruffin said:
No thanks, this train popped up way too fast over...what, exactly?

I'm townreading him anyhow.
You could vote Phraze with me and we can sort her out that way. :3c

lastwhisper31 said:
so I don't get what's ur main point for all of this?

lastwhisper31 said:
well the only person they have a slight scum read with on this train would be phraze and how can u still possibly town lean Cross?

Gruffin said:
I'm going to speculate a bit and say that maybe it was because she hasn't been able to be present for the past couple of phase changes as a result of her busy schedule? Dunno, we would have to ask her about it when she comes online next. And that post looks like she just doesn't believe your claim because you weren't upfront about it.

Gruffin said:
Main point is they both are scummy, but Phraze is more scummy than Roz.
I feel like I'm missing something with the suspicion on Cross...xD

Is it the claim?

RE1031 said:
I really don't know what to make of giving people free passes because their schedule is busy. That's the excuse I always pull out as scum, and as town, I still manage to make time for the game.
What about Crossbell makes you townread him? Recent stuff.

lastwhisper31 said:
I mean his reasoning for sniping a uncountered rber claim was because he didn't want to be rb'd. And yes I believe his parity cop claim can easily be mafia. But if we are gunna be divided over Roz/Phraze then I'm gunna go with my next strongest scum lean. ROZ SHOULD HAVE BEEN GONE DAY 1 TBH.

Gruffin said:
Shrug. Like I said, I'd like to hear why Kit claimed from her.

For Cross's recent stuff, I buy his claim. Voting Grrr EoD1 makes sense since that's eliminating a player that would prevent him from getting any results with his ability, which had the potential to catch scum. His targets also make sense because he strongly townread me and strongly scumread aa, so comparing our alignments together was an optimal way to sort out someone that he couldn't interact with in-thread.

Gruffin said:
@Phraze Let me get this straight:

You think that Rosie is town because she suspected Cross and Roz D2 and you think they are scum (2510), but when Kit suspects Roz, it's because they're buddies (2516)?

The one I outlined in my case at the start of this Day.

Because the believability of Kit's claim has nothing to do with her townreading you? It matches up with Sleip's claim in flavor and ability, so she must have it.

lastwhisper31 said:
@Gruffin actually keep doing what ur doing, this might actually help me sort out Roz Vs Phraze. But I don't think my Kit or Cross scum slots will change any time soon

Gruffin said:
Do you mean you've confirmed Abu?
This is completely misrepresenting what I've said about you and Roz. >_>

I'm not even townreading him right now.

Gruffin said:
True.

I'm going to speculate a bit and say that maybe it was because she hasn't been able to be present for the past couple of phase changes as a result of her busy schedule? Dunno, we would have to ask her about it when she comes online next. And that post looks like she just doesn't believe your claim because you weren't upfront about it.

I disagree with her read on you because you've been towning it up recently and I'd rather read you off of that than mechanics. Proactive, questioning others to read them, pushing your reads, etc.

Phraze said:
I'll tell u I'm sure Roz is scum. why? cuz he has insane luck and scum arent (mis)lynching him despite such a scummy asspull behavior for 2 full phases

lastwhisper31 said:
@phraze
what if I'm bussing?
be grateful
I don't see why anyone would oppose a Roz lynch
its the least likely to backfire
I don't see the same way as you here because like I said, I don't believe u both are scum, so I wouldn't considered this bussing but more of trying to push the lynch on a townie that has made himself look terribly scummy. With that being said I still am slightly unsure, and that is why I'd rather see Kit or Cross gone

Gruffin said:
No thanks, this train popped up way too fast over...what, exactly?

I'm townreading him anyhow.
You could vote Phraze with me and we can sort her out that way. :3c

Phraze said:
if I flip town follow my reads and I'll oblige. lynch me pls

lastwhisper31 said:
Phraze I swear to god lmao, I will put my foot so far up ur ass

Gruffin said:
I feel like I'm missing something with the suspicion on Cross...xD

Is it the claim?

RE1031 said:
I think I just discovered my new crack ship.

lastwhisper31 said:
yes but both town and scum have saved his ass tbh.

Phraze said:
mastermind behind it is Cross lmao. he strongly disagreed with RE and then hammered last min. D2 he said RE strongarmed the lynch. like tf
[edit: also made Karote spotlights EoD2]

Phraze said:
- parity cop reminds me of role cop. just personal lmao

RE1031 said:
Unpopular Opinion:
I don't think roz is going to flip scum.

Like... At this point, he's more of a burden, but I think it's far more likely that scum would be coasting under the radar and that's not happening with roz. Unless there's bussing involved.

Phraze said:
possible bus so far is from Kit. but dunno. I'm sure Roz is scum cuz of the Cross umbrella tho
also, I rly hope Gruffin sorts her paranoia before EoD. I'm rly getting suspicious of her =.=

RE1031 said:
Same. Actually, here, have this post I wasn't going to post until later but why not:

RE1031 said:
Sure, but there's only so much time we have.

I disagree so strongly with the vote switch. There was no guarantee that grrr would roleblock him, and given how strongly he decided to defend Ruu, that vote switch should have never been an option for him. aa was inactive. We see now she's probably going to be modkilled. Cross didn't explain why aa was scummy to begin with, and with the parity cop shot, I think it's far more useful to use it on people who are actually interacting with others. Why not use it on roz, who's one of the biggest causes of all this chaos? His night action choice does not make any sense to me, and the last time I saw that happen, he was scum.

Phraze said:
@Gruffin
gonna quote and reply but first
lmao ur scumreading me but townreading Kit. Kit townreads me??
what u think about LW wanting to lynch Kit?

also, isnt my flavor claim enough? oh and @AlbertinoDias the medicine seller isnt bad, stuff he did was mostly letting ppl come to terms with their reality and lies etc

Phraze said:
- yes. bussing wasnt necessary at that point. Roz survived 2 EoD trains so everyone suspects him now, why wouldn't he be bussed(if he was scum)?
- if u townread Kit u should also trust her reads. how can u find scum on ur own? this is (234535 times alrdy) about teamwork, where u compare reads. how do u expect to compare reads or even opinions with Kit if u both disagree on me?

Phraze said:
if Roz and me are bussing each other, wouldnt u be happy? thats what I'm asking. ur just contradicting urself

Phraze said:
lol ok. if u disagree with Kit pushing RE, and townreading me, why do u still believe her?

Gruffin said:
SIGH.

I don't read by association like that. That's why I asked her for her take on my case on you in the first place. LW's vote makes sense, seems like he's trying to work out Kit/Sleip.

What does your flavor claim even prove? It's either NAI or you could have come up with a fake claim.

RE1031 said:
@Gruffin
Why are you making excuses for Kit when you had no qualms with lynching Karote yesterday?

Phraze said:

- parity cop reminds me of role cop. just personal lmao
- spotted Roz first and he started getting scummier, like on cue
- switched to claimed pr, and Roz didnt even claim
- Roz had Cross on the end of his group to check first. after D2 he moved Gruffin to 1st, me to last. I asked many times for him to check Cross first but he refused
- Cross should've been suspected first for that D1 play, but nope Roz decided to go after me with an asspull of all things (failure to notice a better tell shows he isnt town)
- I compromised and asked Roz to look into other players, but he didnt budge. esp on Cross
- if u check EoD2, Cross voted Sleipnirr, then Karote. when Karote appeared he asked for a claim -fishing- and the Cross ik won't ask for claim unless he's grilled the player first

lastwhisper31 said:
@gruffin what do you think of Phrazes points here?

Phraze said:
@Gruffin do u remember how u believed Penta? :P

Gruffin said:
1. This is assuming that the mafia team is bussing each other.
2. I am comparing reads, like I said. Disagreeing on you allows us to have a convo about your alignment, which is much better than blind trust, imo.
If you and Roz are bussing each other, then I'd want to figure out that you're both scum. '_>' The purpose of bussing is to gain towncred and make it harder to catch the bussers.
If believe that her claim isn't fake. It has nothing to do with alignment.

Gruffin said:
Uhh I was screaming for Penta's and Kit's lol lynch that game.

Gruffin said:
I was bringing up a possibility, mostly.

Karote hasn't been showing that he cares about the game, unlike Kit.

Phraze said:
ur gonna suspect me even when Kit is busy?? did u just contradict urself again? lay off if u got no idea, dont wine town pls
lel. I alrdy asked if u wanted to hear my claim or not but u didnt reply. when I flavorclaimed u discredit it. if u didnt bother to hear my claim then don't try to discredit it. I said it for others, not u. also, I alrdy hinted stuff like genre and whether I liked the chara or not. its not as if I can prepare the fakeclaim in advance. I'm too lazy for that. come to think of it, my behavior is more solid proof then my mechanics(claim) so ofc I would rely on that the most. yet u want to discredit my behavior

how much do u want to discredit about me? until I flip? isnt that banking on a flip? scummy dont u think

lastwhisper31 said:
@gruffin the only thing kit has done over Karote is place a vote, so I don't agree. Life is not an excuse to miss 48 hours regardless of ur alignment, that's disrespectful to the people that are actually playing the game.

Gruffin said:
I was bringing up a possibility, mostly.

Karote hasn't been showing that he cares about the game, unlike Kit.
I feel like I've already addressed all these points, and half of them are preflip association.
Lol that was me who thought RE might have been strongarming at start of D2.