| Just tried Waver/Mash/BB/SwimMartha/MedeaLily/Merlin All of front-line died. Martha and Merlin made it from the last 6 enemies to the last 1(the Spriggan), which I find amazing, but also makes a lot of sense . I had to kill Da Vinci first because she got to that point where she'd +4 NP bars each turn with her pierce invul on and that was impossible to manage. So, the rest went like this: Turn 57. Merlin dies to Spriggan Turn 58. CS(for heal) Turn 59. Martha dies to Spriggan. God dammit. God fucking dammit. I mean, that was 2 hours I could've used to farm. Well I tried twice and I would like to keep trying because I'm almost there but a) Try 2 was a bit too traumatising for me to jump straight in b) It takes too long, and I have farming to do, which is worth way more than battle satisfaction + a measly ticket Also I'm gonna go ahead and not count that CS because it was literally changed nothing in the battle. |
mira-pyonSep 15, 2017 10:35 AM
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| King hassan is stronger than my patience. i cant power kill him... ill pass |
| bruh |
| King Hassan is a piece of shit. This would be an interesting fight if he didn't kill you with his buffed attacks and constant crits. |
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| Well King Hassan IS pretty much a Grand Servant. Good luck beating that. |
So I noticed during my last run and other runs I saw that Duos/Solos work really well with Da Vinci, therefore... Lol. It originally had Merlin, but he died at the start and I was too lazy to cheat to bring him back. Cu-croach died in the end, but it was pretty fun.And I sure got over that trauma quickly Also I'm not touching King Hassan with a 1km stick. |
The sun is a deadly laser |
So I checked out King Hassan to see how bad it was and-   |
| So, here's something worth mentioning that came out from my testing while farming (yay, some free time at last). I knew for a while that Nero Caster, while pretty much the best offensive Caster with AoE NP, is a bit on the weak side when compared to her other counterparts in other classes. So, to get a good handle on how much of an advantage would using her in the Hassan fight would net over the last Caster I've used in her position last year, Caster Liz. I used the unchanging first group in the 10AP quest, and these were the results: Nero: 101K Liz: 111K 0.o I knew that NP5 on the freebie idol would definitely make things a lot more fair compared to the 5* limited Umu in bikini, but to actually surpass her just because her skills aren't maxed? Yeah, Nero's skills do make this kind of a difference, apparently. But just to make sure it's the skills, I did the raw damage calculations: Nero NP1 (@ max skills and fous): 11,857 * (1+0.3+0.5+0.2) * 3 = 71.1K Liz NP5 (@ max skills and fous): 9,616 * 1.45 * 5 = 69.7K So, if you have both (and you've probably leveled Liz's skills a fair bit and got her to NP5), you're better off using Liz over Nero if you don't have BOTH of Umu's 2nd and 3rd skills maxed. You'll be saving on cost for better CEs too. Also, something cool I've discovered, but Nero has the passive "Item Construction (Odd) - EX", which gives her a 10% increase in healing received, so that would make her even more perfect in a team with a healer. It's like she's designed to be paired with Merlin, unlike Gil and Da Vinci. Anyway, looks like I'll be using Liz again for that fight because I'm really low on Caster gems. Oh well. |
astroprogsSep 15, 2017 2:37 PM
ShinsoPriest said: So I checked out King Hassan to see how bad it was and- [IM G]https://i.imgur.com/XOb7xHa.jpg[/IMG] [im g]https://i.imgur.com/nZBGwqb.jpg[/img] [im g]https://i.imgur.com/iIVpIIK.gif[/img] You're not supposed to fight all of them(lol). The idea is to kill a few in order to get a few buffs off, then kill off King Hassan. The battle ends when Grandpa dies. Though you probably COULD fight all of them if you used a stall team + Iri, or something. |
mira-pyonSep 15, 2017 2:45 PM
The sun is a deadly laser |
mira-pyon said: ShinsoPriest said: So I checked out King Hassan to see how bad it was and- [IM G]https://i.imgur.com/XOb7xHa.jpg[/IMG] [im g]https://i.imgur.com/nZBGwqb.jpg[/img] [im g]https://i.imgur.com/iIVpIIK.gif[/img] You're not supposed to fight all of them(lol). The idea is to kill a few in order to get a few buffs off, then kill off King Hassan. The battle ends when Grandpa dies. Though you probably COULD fight all of them if you used a stall team + Iri, or something. I'm thinking of using Nero Caster, Iri, and Medea Lily for the fight. Grandpa's insta-kill NP bypasses invincibility so Iri's guts is a must, and Medea Lily is needed to heal everyone to max after guts is used. Nero Caster will be the field clearer. |
ShinsoPriest said: you must not kil bothl hassanssistantmira-pyon said: You're not supposed to fight all of them(lol). The idea is to kill a few in order to get a few buffs off, then kill off King Hassan. The battle ends when Grandpa dies. Though you probably COULD fight all of them if you used a stall team + Iri, or something. I'm thinking of using Nero Caster, Iri, and Medea Lily for the fight. Grandpa's insta-kill NP bypasses invincibility so Iri's guts is a must, and Medea Lily is needed to heal everyone to max after guts is used. Nero Caster will be the field clearer. you need to kill the high HP one so KH dont get idiotic buff low hp hassanssisntant only make KH heal of 10000hp so dont use Nero NP |
| bruh |
| @kei78 Well, I haven't attempted the quest yet, but a 10K HP heal seems like a perfectly acceptable drawback compared to letting an NP fire constantly by leaving him on the field AND having to charge the NP of the single target Caster many more times to deal with the minions. Does what I'm saying make sense, ot am I missing something about that fight? |
kei78 said: ShinsoPriest said: you must not kil bothl hassanssistantI'm thinking of using Nero Caster, Iri, and Medea Lily for the fight. Grandpa's insta-kill NP bypasses invincibility so Iri's guts is a must, and Medea Lily is needed to heal everyone to max after guts is used. Nero Caster will be the field clearer. you need to kill the high HP one so KH dont get idiotic buff low hp hassanssisntant only make KH heal of 10000hp so dont use Nero NP Yes and no. Yes because it's better to have the Small HP Hassan up than the Big HP Hassan. No because it's better to have no Hassan up in general. KH only uses his buff when there're Hassans on the field. Nero is perfect because she can get rid of the minions while aso chipping at Granps' health. @ShinsoPriest Yeah, that's pretty much what I'd imagine would work. I'll try it out if yours succeeds. :^P |
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mira-pyon said: kei78 said: you must not kil bothl hassanssistant you need to kill the high HP one so KH dont get idiotic buff low hp hassanssisntant only make KH heal of 10000hp so dont use Nero NP Yes and no. Yes because it's better to have the Small HP Hassan up than the Big HP Hassan. No because it's better to have no Hassan up in general. KH only uses his buff when there're Hassans on the field. Nero is perfect because she can get rid of the minions while aso chipping at Granps' health. @ShinsoPriest Yeah, that's pretty much what I'd imagine would work. I'll try it out if yours succeeds. :^P I'd like to but none of the Nero Casters in my friends list has the limit broken event CE that boosts damage, so it's kinda hard to deal enough damage with her. Charging enough NP gauge before he gets to use his NP is kinda hard too. There's also the matter of RNG where your servant who survived with guts might get attacked again in the same turn before you have a chance to heal. Maybe it'll be more doable if @Genkii had his Nero Caster out with the event CE equipped. It's probably better to leave the lower HP Hassan alive so King Hassan doesn't attack you more than once. Edit: Well shit, even his normal attacks have a chance to instant kill you. Gonna wait for DW to nerf this fight. Talk about unfair. |
ShinsoPriestSep 15, 2017 4:23 PM
| @ShinsoPriest Do you have Da Vinci? If you do, try this team: Da Vinci (+event CE), Tamamo (+Prisma Cosmos or Afternoon Party) and Iri (+Prisma Cosmos). OR Da Vinci (+event CE), Tamamo (+Prisma Cosmos or Afternoon Party) and BB (+Prisma Cosmos). I went through this quest a multiple times and Medea Lily truly seems like a dead weight when you're forced to move this quickly. 1. Da Vinci can pull her own weight with Guts when Iri is too busy dusting her clothes, can heal herself well and can deal enough damage to put a dent thanks to the event CE. She'll also spam her skills thanks to Tamamo, so you'll actually get one or more options to do something when KH decides to be a dick and targets her for some reason. 2. Tamamo should greatly get you up to speed with her NP charging and healing everyone, will buff Da Vinci and heal her with one skill, can take away some of KH's NP bars, can defend herself and will do it all really fast with her NP charging CE. Spamming NP + skills for everyone, over and over.. 3. Iri will get all the charging she needs to keep up with KH thanks to her CE and Tamamo. 4. BB has the highest resistance to inst-kills in the game + deals damage + heals + charges NP for party. Why she's perfect for this should be obvious. This seems like the best team I can think of at the moment, but I can't try it because no one is putting Da Vinci in the support slot, let alone have her equipped with the event CE. |
astroprogsSep 15, 2017 5:18 PM
| Yeah, I don't think I have any Da Vinci servants in my friends list. It's filled with Merlin and Waver. |
| My ears are burning. Which would you like Shin-chan? Illya 8/8/8 5/5 Nero 10/10/10 5/5 Sanzou 7/7/7 2/5 I highly recommend Sanzou or Illya. |
| I choose you, Illya. On second thought, Sanzou. |
| Big titty Sanzou support coming right up! |
| 59 lottery clears and counting, maxing up servants and skills as I go along. DW can drag this event as long as they want for all I care. Also the heart drop rates are pretty good on the Nero Bride and Cas Gil node. |
My Queens  |
| Aight, here's a progress report on the King Hassan fight that maybe helpful if you guys want to try different strategies with what you have and a couple of things to be careful for. So, I managed to find a Da Vinci in my support, god bless.  With BBs healing buffed by 70%, Tamamo accelerating things and Da Vinci dealing damage, this should be good. It's not. This team doesn't work. Nothing survives. BB was killed in one hit, Jeanne in two and the rest was done in less than 5 turns. So, I decided to switch gears. Blizing Hassan doesn't seem to work, so stalling him until he runs out of enough layers for a heavy hitter to come from the back and end it. I used this team:  The plan was to survive enough until the minions were down to the 70s, bring Sanzo from the back with the event CE and hammer him while praying he doesn't randomly target her. This worked pretty well overall... for a while. This team can get the win, but the only way to persist on the field until the conditions for minimum damage is: 1. You NEED everyone's skills maxed, no exceptions. You do NOT want to see that one skill at "1" when Hassan is ready to have your head next turn. 2. You NEED Iri, no substitutes. 3. You NEED Tamamo. You won't survive without her. Period. 4. You NEED Merlin. I haven't tried Waver, but I think Merlin is a much better choice for the reasons below. Let's assume the worst case scenario to count for the RNG. This is what happens when RNG REALLY hates you: - King Hassan charges his NP every 2 turns, not 3, more often than not. - King Hassan crits every time. - Hassans decide to gang on one particular Servant and don't distribute the damage, maybe every other turn. To accommodate for all this you'll need: 1. Iri's NP ready every 2 turns, more often than not. 2. Invincibility for Iri ready every 2 turns, more often than not, because KH's NP deals damage in addition to the insta-kill. 3. Constant non-stop healing for everyone, but even more targeted healing for Iri because she'll take the worst of it. The Iri/Tamamo/Merlin team can work around all this. Merlin has party invincibility, Iri has self-invincibility in addition to her Guts and Tamamo will reduce the CD to keep up with KH's NP. When, for some reason, something isn't ready yet, you can delay the NP with Tamamo's first skill or a stun from your Mystic code All three can provide more than decent healing for trio to keep on keeping on and Merlin and Tamamo will take care of the NP charging, alongside the CEs. Rinse and repeat. ------------------------------------- It's all doable, if you have the Servants. Yes, maxing everyone's skills is a pain, but this event is gives gems with enough grinding, so it's certainly doable. I cleared KH's first bar with this team, but I got overtook by KH's speed because my Iri and Tamamo don't have maxed skills. I'll try again after I level them some more, and maybe substitute Jeanne with Nero Caster to help KH eat through his army faster. |
| I don't have Sanzou, Merlin, or Jeanne, so I can only bring one of them as support. If I bring Merlin then my damage output is gimped. My strongest servant against assassins would be Melt and I don't know if she will survive a hit from King Hassan, even with the dodge skill which I don't have maxed. Iri is sitting at 4/4/4 and I have no intention of maxing her out for a quest. |
| Newbie coming through. So question about something that came up during Septem: Why did Elizabeth seem to be able to recognize Mash and the player? And then never playing any role beyond a couple dumb scenes with Tamamo. Thought it would be explained at some point but nope, what a let down. On another note taking 2 photon swords to the face was not fun. |
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Botato said: Newbie coming through. So question about something that came up during Septem: Why did Elizabeth seem to be able to recognize Mash and the player? We met her in Orleans. And then never playing any role beyond a couple dumb scenes with Tamamo. Thought it would be explained at some point but nope, what a let down. Welcome to the team. ShinsoPriest said: I don't have Sanzou, Merlin, or Jeanne, so I can only bring one of them as support. If I bring Merlin then my damage output is gimped. My strongest servant against assassins would be Melt and I don't know if she will survive a hit from King Hassan, even with the dodge skill which I don't have maxed. Iri is sitting at 4/4/4 and I have no intention of maxing her out for a quest. You can use Iri/Tamamo/Merlin(Support)/Caster Nero/Mash/Medea(or any other ST Caster you have, Sanzou isn't a requirement. KH is going to crit like mad or one-shot in the worst case scenario anyway, so you might even prefer a ST Berserker for more damage.) If you have Waver, you could probably use him instead of Nero because his NP can both stun and decrease enemy's NP gauge. And his 3 skills can help with NP regen. He'll probably be a safer bet than Nero because Nero's NP is risky in this case. |
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| I am at 9th reset and already don't feel like doing anything. Already bougth all the CE. Don't really have any motivation to farm. How does some people even get to 100th reset is beyond me. Next event can't come any faster. |
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ShinsoPriest said: I don't have Sanzou, Merlin, or Jeanne, so I can only bring one of them as support. If I bring Merlin then my damage output is gimped. My strongest servant against assassins would be Melt and I don't know if she will survive a hit from King Hassan, even with the dodge skill which I don't have maxed. Iri is sitting at 4/4/4 and I have no intention of maxing her out for a quest. Hmmm. I also recommend Mira's [Iri/Tamamo/Merlin(Support)/Caster Nero/Mash/Medea]. Sanzo deals slightly more damage, yes, but if you can stall KH long enough, it won't matter. This team can take the additional stalling, Sanzo will just save you maybe two or three turns. However, I can't stress leveling the skills enough. At least get them to level 6. If you're grinding for the petals, Caster Gems drop a LOT in the last 40AP one + lottery gems, so it shouldn't pose any additional grinding for you. mira-pyon said: If you have Waver, you could probably use him instead of Nero because his NP can both stun and decrease enemy's NP gauge. And his 3 skills can help with NP regen. He'll probably be a safer bet than Nero because Nero's NP is risky in this case. I still haven't tried Nero Caster instead of Jeanne, but you shouldn't need Jeanne in the first place if the front row functioned properly if you save scum play skillfully enough. In my example, I'll only get Nero in there when I'm comfortable with dropping the stalling, because once one of the trio is gone, the front row will follow in 2~3 turns. I only intend to use these couple of turns to clear a few more Hassans with the help of Mashu taunting the NP. If firing Nero's NP was successful the first time, I predict that the chain reaction should buy me 6~8 more Hassans off of KH's defense for Sanzo/offensive Caster (+event CE w/ Guts) to take the two bars with 2 NPs, with CSs if necessary. |
astroprogsSep 16, 2017 6:17 AM
astroprogs said: mira-pyon said: If you have Waver, you could probably use him instead of Nero because his NP can both stun and decrease enemy's NP gauge. And his 3 skills can help with NP regen. He'll probably be a safer bet than Nero because Nero's NP is risky in this case. I still haven't tried Nero Caster instead of Jeanne, but you shouldn't need Jeanne in the first place if the front row functioned properly if you save scum play skillfully enough. In my example, I'll only get Nero in there when I'm comfortable with dropping the stalling, because once one of the trio is gone, the front row will follow in 2~3 turns. I only intend to use these couple of turns to clear a few more Hassans with the help of Mashu taunting the NP. If firing Nero's NP was successful the first time, I predict that the chain reaction should buy me 6~8 more Hassans off of KH's defense for Sanzo/offensive Caster (+event CE w/ Guts) to take the two bars with 2 NPs, with CSs if necessary. Yeah, I guess so. Tho I wouldn't be willing to use CS, lol. Also, pft. Save scumming? Never heard of it. Pffffffft. >3> Why are you looking at me like that. I'm innocent. --------------- In other news, Chaldea Beach Volley is out! Man, this stuff is gold   I'm inclined into thinking Hiroyama is Actually Jesus. |
The sun is a deadly laser |
| The Finale boss rush is easier than even last years. Far easier than King Hax. |
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As much as I don't like Prillya, I gotta say Hiroyama draws some really nice art. I want this Quetz https://i.imgur.com/AxRnmsP.png AND this Medea https://i.imgur.com/SX2IuIa.png Hope he shills them into the next FGO swimsuit event. On the other hand, I'm really looking forward to how he'll design Mochizuki Chiyome. Here's hoping it's not a loli. |
| Got a single octuplet crystal today :feelsamazingman: If my luck continues I may get another one in a few minutes, but anyway since fangs will be in Halloween event I'll focus on crystals for now, hopefully will have enough for Herc 2nd ascension by the time 1/2 AP event ends. mira-pyon said: Something something servants don't keep memories something, tho?Botato said: Newbie coming through. So question about something that came up during Septem: Why did Elizabeth seem to be able to recognize Mash and the player? We met her in Orleans. And then never playing any role beyond a couple dumb scenes with Tamamo. Thought it would be explained at some point but nope, what a let down. Welcome to the team. Also what team o.o |
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That was only the case in the Fuyuki system, though. Well Mordred doesn't retain her memories in Camelot either (of London), so I'm not entirely sure what was the reasoning behind that, but in general, FGO Servants tend to retain their memories due to the system here being much less constrained like in Fuyuki. |
AirConditioner said: But what about the throne of heroes being outside the confines of time and what not. Septem implies that isn't the case, because if so then the meeting in Orleans should have hinted that Elizabeth knows the player from somewhere, but didn't.That was only the case in the Fuyuki system, though. Well Mordred doesn't retain her memories in Camelot either (of London), so I'm not entirely sure what was the reasoning behind that, but in general, FGO Servants tend to retain their memories due to the system here being much less constrained like in Fuyuki. |
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Botato said: But what about the throne of heroes being outside the confines of time and what not. Septem implies that isn't the case, because if so then the meeting in Orleans should have hinted that Elizabeth knows the player from somewhere, but didn't. That's not really a relevant part of it. The reason why Servants don't retain memories when summoned into a Holy Grail War is because they'd already know the ending to the War itself, and thus it would not be a real competition, therefore the Grail makes sure to remove any possibilities of memories being retained (unless it is an ability possessed by the Heroic Spirit itself such as Gilgamesh or Solomon). Though you could say GO Singularities are, in a way, a Holy Grail War, the Grail itself doesn't really play much of a part in them and they aren't genuine Grail Wars (they're usually missions to correct wrong manifestations of history) so Servants are able to retain memories just fine. For the Elizabeth case, it doesn't really prove that she isn't aware that she knows the player so can't comment much on that example (mainly because Elizabeth doesn't really seem to give much of a shit about the protagonist and her role is too minimal to really matter, though it also might be because Sakurai fucked up the chapter which he himself admits and stated he wants to rework on occasion). The real example, however, is that Mordred somehow didn't retain memories of London during Camelot events, which I'm not exactly sure why. Might have been explained somewhere that I'm not aware of though. |
AirConditionerSep 16, 2017 10:02 AM
| No I mean, since ToH is outside time then when Elizabeth was in Orleans she should already know about the meeting on the island in Septem, since they supposedly keep their memories in FGO. |
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Botato said: No I mean, since ToH is outside time then when Elizabeth was in Orleans she should already know about the meeting on the island in Septem, since they supposedly keep their memories in FGO. Same as Mordred example really, then. Not really sure what's the reasoning behind that. I'd be confident to say I know a fair deal about what happens in FGO due to pretty closely following any new story bits and lore but I'm not entirely sure about the reason why some haven't obtained their memories either, so might be best to ask someone who can actually read Japanese. |
| Yeah I see. Thanks anyway. Until we get a clear answer from someone who knows/Nasu, I'mma assume this is the fault of whoever wrote Septem. |
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Botato said: Yeah I see. Thanks anyway. Until we get a clear answer from someone who knows/Nasu, I'mma assume this is the fault of whoever wrote Septem. Sakurai. And he pretty much acknowledges it too since he's said he wants to re-do the whole chapter. |
| And here I thought it was Higashide :blobthinkingeyes: Update on crystal farming: got 2 so far. Herc is getting an upgrade soon. Hopefully. |
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Botato said: But what about the throne of heroes being outside the confines of time and what not. Actually Archer in F/SN explicitly states the him on the throne will have the memories from UBW but not the experience (hence why he states it'd be meaningless to him since it'd just be like a record) i dunno how that works anymore, since apparently a lot of GO servants functionally act as if they truly experienced the events and not merely had a record of it known to them, but the throne being outside time has never affected the HS on the throne having their memories or not |
| i was so pissed of by KH (and not having Medea lily and iri) that i decide to nuke final exhibition with raikou, support Holmes and 2 CS |
| bruh |
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KaiserNazrin said: I am at 9th reset and already don't feel like doing anything. Already bougth all the CE. Don't really have any motivation to farm. How does some people even get to 100th reset is beyond me. Next event can't come any faster. Same here, only on the 10th reset, and I haven't started medal farming yet. Mostly because I want to do other things and not spend a whole day using apples. I'll get the 4* fou cards but that'll be it. Probably. |
| Free SR guys! All story locked included! I can finally get Penthesilea. Though Lalter is also pretty good choice.. |
Kaiser-chanSep 17, 2017 12:41 AM
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| Damn, I'm caught between CasGil/LAlter/Suzuka/Saberlot/Rama/NP 2 Pent NP 2 Herk would also be nice...It becomes harder to choose when they're all laid out like that. Time to go information digging. |
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 Hoo boy. Even when you win, you still lose. They also giving us fuckload of quartz. I can't wait for the gacha. |
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| I'unno if I should get Nitocris or some story locked Servant because I'll never roll in the story gacha. Also no gacha for 10M DL? That's kinda lame. |
AirConditioner said: I'unno if I should get Nitocris or some story locked Servant because I'll never roll in the story gacha. Also no gacha for 10M DL? That's kinda lame. They keep the best part for the last. |
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| since guts+healng is now a recurent meta, ill go for my 1st medea lily |
| bruh |
| Hmm I actually do not know who to choose tbh |
My Queens |
| When in doubt, pick Astolfo. |
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| Huh, I pretty much have every non-limited SR available. It might be pretty hard to choose. If only we could choose summer servants so I could get Rock n Roll. |
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