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Mar 28, 2017 6:26 AM

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logic340 said:
This is sad :,3

@PentaFlare - now that night is over what do you think of Crossbell's contribution? Is this scum or town Crossbell? What about followind? I am trying to put an ISO together now but I think he is pretty certain to be scum. What makes me suspicious of you is I cannot say you and Cross are unaligned and you are pushing the idea of scum spreading out on your algorithm thing. You haven't pressed on Cross at all and Cross's town reads this game have no substance. What did you get from that question you asked cross early game anyway?
@grrr - Continue pressing my lynch I want to see who goes with you
@Shinichi-kun - I know Denja isn't helping anything but lets pretend he is town. What does that mean for your PoE given the Vote Counts?
@DenjaX I need to see you doing segregation duties. Can't afford to give you benefit today like I did yesterday.
@followind - what are you going to do this phase? I need to see a read list from you I want to know how you feel about each player remaining in the game.
@RE1031 - I really feel like you are town at this point. What do you think of follow/Penta or Crossbell/Lam-b or grrr scum team? Do you think Crossbell and Penta could be on the same scum team given how yesterdays vote went?
@Lam-B I see you were online yesterday did you need to make the night kill? I do hope everything is well with you IRL.
@Crossbell - I just have no words right now. Not really sure what to make of you this game. As disconnected as you have been you have a lot of town reads and I find that suspicious.

I think it is town Crossbell. Are you referring to the day cop question? If so, that is part of my reason. Cross answered that he would check players that were active and seemed generally townie so that there could be trustworthy players. What Cross is doing here with his reads is the same. He has focused on building a block of trustworthy players and is going from there. I'm pretty sure he hasn't but effort into doing this specifically to appear townie, this is just his natural approach. Focusing on townread instead of scumreads is generally more townie because having too many town reads as scum limits your mislynch options. This is all I have to go off with Cross, but my gut is saying town, and at this point, I need to stop overthinking and use more intuition.
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Mar 28, 2017 6:48 AM

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PentaFlare said:
Vote: logic340
This is the lynch I am most comfortable with. I'm nowhere near confident in grapefruit being town, but I've seen more out of grapefruit that seems town motivated than from logic. I want to lynch one of these two this phase because they have been so heavily involved in every main discussion this game.

logic's rhetoric this game has been bothering me. A lot of their focus has been on small details, many of which were NAI (like Ra's misinterpretation of logic's question to willow), which has created an image of someone pursuing scumreads without needing to support the scumread, just simply by picking on details instead.

Additionally, they were too quick to jump to my defense against Claire. Although they were scumreading Claire, they had said I hadn't done anything outside the bounds of my scum game to that point. I felt the same way. I would read myself as neutral if I was being objective so logic lacked the caution I was expecting. Not even a backread focused on me before throwing themself at Claire. I can't see that as town behaviour. Town should have taken advantage of the time left to look into both possibilities. They could have been trying to pocket me or just been convinced in their course of action because they already knew the alignments of both players. Either way, not townie.

Reads like a townie vote. Like most townie votes, could be wrong. Reminds me of my own vote on Oyasumi_Rosie D1 but with a lot more reasoning.
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Mar 28, 2017 6:50 AM

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PentaFlare said:
logic340 said:
This is sad :,3

@PentaFlare - now that night is over what do you think of Crossbell's contribution? Is this scum or town Crossbell? What about followind? I am trying to put an ISO together now but I think he is pretty certain to be scum. What makes me suspicious of you is I cannot say you and Cross are unaligned and you are pushing the idea of scum spreading out on your algorithm thing. You haven't pressed on Cross at all and Cross's town reads this game have no substance. What did you get from that question you asked cross early game anyway?
@grrr - Continue pressing my lynch I want to see who goes with you
@Shinichi-kun - I know Denja isn't helping anything but lets pretend he is town. What does that mean for your PoE given the Vote Counts?
@DenjaX I need to see you doing segregation duties. Can't afford to give you benefit today like I did yesterday.
@followind - what are you going to do this phase? I need to see a read list from you I want to know how you feel about each player remaining in the game.
@RE1031 - I really feel like you are town at this point. What do you think of follow/Penta or Crossbell/Lam-b or grrr scum team? Do you think Crossbell and Penta could be on the same scum team given how yesterdays vote went?
@Lam-B I see you were online yesterday did you need to make the night kill? I do hope everything is well with you IRL.
@Crossbell - I just have no words right now. Not really sure what to make of you this game. As disconnected as you have been you have a lot of town reads and I find that suspicious.

I think it is town Crossbell. Are you referring to the day cop question? If so, that is part of my reason. Cross answered that he would check players that were active and seemed generally townie so that there could be trustworthy players. What Cross is doing here with his reads is the same. He has focused on building a block of trustworthy players and is going from there. I'm pretty sure he hasn't but effort into doing this specifically to appear townie, this is just his natural approach. Focusing on townread instead of scumreads is generally more townie because having too many town reads as scum limits your mislynch options. This is all I have to go off with Cross, but my gut is saying town, and at this point, I need to stop overthinking and use more intuition.
Again I just played a scum game and did just this to get by. I painted my self into a corner D3 (I could only vote on person) then reevaluated overnight and moved to my next lynch target D4. It's not out of the realm of possibility and the fact that you don't even consider it scares me to be honest.

You need to stop overthinking Logic and help him catch scum if it isn't you. We are getting down to the end here and it's imperative you and I work together if we are both town. What do you think of my read lists?
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Mar 28, 2017 6:51 AM

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@PentaFlare are you willing to discuss followind yet or is he still off the table?
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Mar 28, 2017 6:52 AM

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Vote: logic340
This is the lynch I am most comfortable with. I'm nowhere near confident in grapefruit being town, but I've seen more out of grapefruit that seems town motivated than from logic. I want to lynch one of these two this phase because they have been so heavily involved in every main discussion this game.

logic's rhetoric this game has been bothering me. A lot of their focus has been on small details, many of which were NAI (like Ra's misinterpretation of logic's question to willow), which has created an image of someone pursuing scumreads without needing to support the scumread, just simply by picking on details instead.

Additionally, they were too quick to jump to my defense against Claire. Although they were scumreading Claire, they had said I hadn't done anything outside the bounds of my scum game to that point. I felt the same way. I would read myself as neutral if I was being objective so logic lacked the caution I was expecting. Not even a backread focused on me before throwing themself at Claire. I can't see that as town behaviour. Town should have taken advantage of the time left to look into both possibilities. They could have been trying to pocket me or just been convinced in their course of action because they already knew the alignments of both players. Either way, not townie.

Reads like a townie vote. Like most townie votes, could be wrong. Reminds me of my own vote on Oyasumi_Rosie D1 but with a lot more reasoning.
So town lean on Penta then? What about my alignment? Bad vote on town or good vote on scum?
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Mar 28, 2017 6:59 AM

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logic340 said:
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Reads like a townie vote. Like most townie votes, could be wrong. Reminds me of my own vote on Oyasumi_Rosie D1 but with a lot more reasoning.
So town lean on Penta then? What about my alignment? Bad vote on town or good vote on scum?

I think yesterday's votes in general were just terrible ):<
I don't know how I feel about you still.. But I think you seem way more unaligned than most people here, which means town.
The only thing really that might make you scum at this point is the votes were so divided yesterday. It looked a lot like you were being protected.
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Mar 28, 2017 7:00 AM

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Penta at this point I'm almost counting on to be town. The fact he hasn't died yet is a mystery to me.
What makes him town to me, isn't the reads but that he's tried to calm chaos and not ignore it/ignite it.
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Mar 28, 2017 7:05 AM

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Also this kind of incident was pointed out in twins so I'll point it out here..
amberwillow was killed and she was on Grape's mislynch. Since we obviously were going to focus on the people who lynched Grape, why would they narrow down our list of suspects?
Unless mafia have some kind of role revealer and lynched amberwillow knowing she was a PR.
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Mar 28, 2017 7:15 AM

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Crossbell (2) Logic340, RE1031
Logic340 (1) grrr
followind (1) Crossbell

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Shinichi-Kun, Lam-B, followind, PentaFlare, DenjaX

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Mar 28, 2017 7:17 AM

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RE1031 said:
Also this kind of incident was pointed out in twins so I'll point it out here..
amberwillow was killed and she was on Grape's mislynch. Since we obviously were going to focus on the people who lynched Grape, why would they narrow down our list of suspects?
Unless mafia have some kind of role revealer and lynched amberwillow knowing she was a PR.
Well based on the claims that came out yesterday thanks to Claire's shenanigans we really narrowed down the PR pool for the mafia.
Me, Penta, and Claire (if all town) are off the table as we all claimed VT. Add Shinichi to that as he claimed VT during the night phase. Most of us who said we weren't the Cop probably gave the mafia a hint to what we were. It was a bad situation. Penta being alive bothers me as if he is town he shouldn't be making it into late game. This has shades of Haruhi all over it but he had a crazy ass role claim there here he's just vanilla. I don't trust him fully yet, not sure how I feel about that town read on Crossbell.
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Mar 28, 2017 7:19 AM

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@PentaFlare Cross and I were your two suspect everyone else was off the table correct? Why are you not voting me if you feel this is town Crossbell and you still don't have a bead on me? With all the content I have put out would you say you are more confident in your scum read of me or your town read of Crossbell?
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Mar 28, 2017 7:48 AM

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logic340 said:
This is sad :,3

@PentaFlare - now that night is over what do you think of Crossbell's contribution? Is this scum or town Crossbell? What about followind? I am trying to put an ISO together now but I think he is pretty certain to be scum. What makes me suspicious of you is I cannot say you and Cross are unaligned and you are pushing the idea of scum spreading out on your algorithm thing. You haven't pressed on Cross at all and Cross's town reads this game have no substance. What did you get from that question you asked cross early game anyway?
@grrr - Continue pressing my lynch I want to see who goes with you
@Shinichi-kun - I know Denja isn't helping anything but lets pretend he is town. What does that mean for your PoE given the Vote Counts?
@DenjaX I need to see you doing segregation duties. Can't afford to give you benefit today like I did yesterday.
@followind - what are you going to do this phase? I need to see a read list from you I want to know how you feel about each player remaining in the game.
@RE1031 - I really feel like you are town at this point. What do you think of follow/Penta or Crossbell/Lam-b or grrr scum team? Do you think Crossbell and Penta could be on the same scum team given how yesterdays vote went?
@Lam-B I see you were online yesterday did you need to make the night kill? I do hope everything is well with you IRL.
@Crossbell - I just have no words right now. Not really sure what to make of you this game. As disconnected as you have been you have a lot of town reads and I find that suspicious.


If denja is town them im almost positive you and penta are also town, which means i would be more happy to vote crossbell than anyone else.


Mar 28, 2017 7:49 AM

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Also willing to vote RE cause compared to the first 2 phases he seems off kinda like hes pocketing the town cred he has, unlike penta who continues to help town.


Mar 28, 2017 7:53 AM

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Vote:RE


ILL be mia 2 hours before phase change but i have till 2 to discuss things so lets talk before i cant reply anymore :D


Mar 28, 2017 8:00 AM

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logic340 said:
RE1031 said:
Also this kind of incident was pointed out in twins so I'll point it out here..
amberwillow was killed and she was on Grape's mislynch. Since we obviously were going to focus on the people who lynched Grape, why would they narrow down our list of suspects?
Unless mafia have some kind of role revealer and lynched amberwillow knowing she was a PR.
Well based on the claims that came out yesterday thanks to Claire's shenanigans we really narrowed down the PR pool for the mafia.
Me, Penta, and Claire (if all town) are off the table as we all claimed VT. Add Shinichi to that as he claimed VT during the night phase. Most of us who said we weren't the Cop probably gave the mafia a hint to what we were. It was a bad situation. Penta being alive bothers me as if he is town he shouldn't be making it into late game. This has shades of Haruhi all over it but he had a crazy ass role claim there here he's just vanilla. I don't trust him fully yet, not sure how I feel about that town read on Crossbell.


Honestly ive noticed that too but i rather not use him for todays lynch maybe the next lynch if hes still alive by then, cause ik where ur coming from with this claim all to welll.


Mar 28, 2017 8:34 AM

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Shinichi-Kun said:
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Updated List
Confirmed Town:

Oyasumi_Rosie - Vigilante
CorruptedPurity - Vanilla
Grapefruit21 - Vanilla
amberwillow - Docor

Claimed:
PentaFlare - Vanilla
DenjaX - Vanilla
Logic340 - Vanilla
Shinichi-kun - Vanilla
grrr - Vanilla
RE1031 - Vanilla


Unclaimed
Lam-B
followind
Crossbell

If the scum team are the three unclaimed I'm pissed frfr


We should stop this unless a cop is hiding in the vanilla town we are giving mafia targets to choose from that could be the cop.


You realize that if we have 3 mafia, then we might just lose today? If we have a cop I think that lylo day is a good time to claim.
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Shinichi-Kun said:
Vote:RE


ILL be mia 2 hours before phase change but i have till 2 to discuss things so lets talk before i cant reply anymore :D

I'm not too sure why you're voting for me. If it's just because you think I'm not helping town, I spent over an hour making a ISO post here. Which could be indicative of either side, but I definitely wouldn't say I'm hiding behind mostly universal town reads on me.
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Mar 28, 2017 9:05 AM

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Also @DenjaX hasn't replied in a while and I'd like to hear more about his "tribute."

@grrr What do you mean today is lylo? If there are 3 mafia, we have one more day. Do you mean that someone is going to get modkilled or something? fuck i keep mixing up mylo and lylo and all these terms

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GEEZ, whatever -_-
Gonna hope for doc to save the day if it's no-lynch

Also, if mafia lynched her because they suspected she was a PR, I doubt they thought she was doctor.
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RE1031 said:
Also @DenjaX hasn't replied in a while and I'd like to hear more about his "tribute."

@grrr What do you mean today is lylo? If there are 3 mafia, we have one more day. Do you mean that someone is going to get modkilled or something? fuck i keep mixing up mylo and lylo and all these terms

amberwillow said:
GEEZ, whatever -_-
Gonna hope for doc to save the day if it's no-lynch

Also, if mafia lynched her because they suspected she was a PR, I doubt they thought she was doctor.


he said wasnt gonna reply i mean if he actually holds true that ill talk to him as staff once this games over but thats a story for another time.

RE1031 said:
Shinichi-Kun said:
Vote:RE


ILL be mia 2 hours before phase change but i have till 2 to discuss things so lets talk before i cant reply anymore :D

I'm not too sure why you're voting for me. If it's just because you think I'm not helping town, I spent over an hour making a ISO post here. Which could be indicative of either side, but I definitely wouldn't say I'm hiding behind mostly universal town reads on me.


Then who do u think is a better choice grrr is impossible to read, penta is too much of a town player to put all our lies on the line just to be like he too town he must be scum, logic is very clearly town. Follow is someone i just cant read at all anymore, and cross bell has been doing the same thing you has but from his point earlier it seems he just a burnt out town.


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grrr said:
Shinichi-Kun said:


We should stop this unless a cop is hiding in the vanilla town we are giving mafia targets to choose from that could be the cop.


You realize that if we have 3 mafia, then we might just lose today? If we have a cop I think that lylo day is a good time to claim.


Ill have to agree witht this if we have a cop nows a chance to clear targets that are still alive so its aasier to find scum.


Mar 28, 2017 9:21 AM

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Shinichi-Kun said:
RE1031 said:
Also @DenjaX hasn't replied in a while and I'd like to hear more about his "tribute."

@grrr What do you mean today is lylo? If there are 3 mafia, we have one more day. Do you mean that someone is going to get modkilled or something? fuck i keep mixing up mylo and lylo and all these terms


Also, if mafia lynched her because they suspected she was a PR, I doubt they thought she was doctor.


he said wasnt gonna reply i mean if he actually holds true that ill talk to him as staff once this games over but thats a story for another time.

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I'm not too sure why you're voting for me. If it's just because you think I'm not helping town, I spent over an hour making a ISO post here. Which could be indicative of either side, but I definitely wouldn't say I'm hiding behind mostly universal town reads on me.


Then who do u think is a better choice grrr is impossible to read, penta is too much of a town player to put all our lies on the line just to be like he too town he must be scum, logic is very clearly town. Follow is someone i just cant read at all anymore, and cross bell has been doing the same thing you has but from his point earlier it seems he just a burnt out town.

Currently voting for Crossbell.
If Penta is actually a townie then I'll say it again, I don't know why the mafia haven't killed him yet.
grrr is impossible to read, but it's interesting he hasn't said much (if anything, I can't remember) in response to Crossbell frequently threatening him.

I want to talk about night actions. But the cop is nowhere to be found. We could be clearing a lot of confusion if we at least knew who not to suspect.
Unless by some crazy off chance the mafia managed to kill the two people the cop investigated. But I don't know why the cop would investigate CorruptedPurity and amberwillow.
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RE1031 said:
Shinichi-Kun said:


he said wasnt gonna reply i mean if he actually holds true that ill talk to him as staff once this games over but thats a story for another time.



Then who do u think is a better choice grrr is impossible to read, penta is too much of a town player to put all our lies on the line just to be like he too town he must be scum, logic is very clearly town. Follow is someone i just cant read at all anymore, and cross bell has been doing the same thing you has but from his point earlier it seems he just a burnt out town.

Currently voting for Crossbell.
If Penta is actually a townie then I'll say it again, I don't know why the mafia haven't killed him yet.
grrr is impossible to read, but it's interesting he hasn't said much (if anything, I can't remember) in response to Crossbell frequently threatening him.

I want to talk about night actions. But the cop is nowhere to be found. We could be clearing a lot of confusion if we at least knew who not to suspect.
Unless by some crazy off chance the mafia managed to kill the two people the cop investigated. But I don't know why the cop would investigate CorruptedPurity and amberwillow.


Dont get me wrong i understand but we cant just suspect person for staying alive it could either be he is scum or the mafia is playing mind games which would mean crossbell or logic is scum in that situatio.


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oh its 48 hours still

I didnt realize that tank good, means i will be their for phase change..


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Shinichi-Kun said:
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Currently voting for Crossbell.
If Penta is actually a townie then I'll say it again, I don't know why the mafia haven't killed him yet.
grrr is impossible to read, but it's interesting he hasn't said much (if anything, I can't remember) in response to Crossbell frequently threatening him.

I want to talk about night actions. But the cop is nowhere to be found. We could be clearing a lot of confusion if we at least knew who not to suspect.
Unless by some crazy off chance the mafia managed to kill the two people the cop investigated. But I don't know why the cop would investigate CorruptedPurity and amberwillow.


Dont get me wrong i understand but we cant just suspect person for staying alive it could either be he is scum or the mafia is playing mind games which would mean crossbell or logic is scum in that situatio.

Crossbell isn't active enough to be a kill target, and logic had that thing with grapefruit yesterday so he's still suspicious enough to be kept alive. But you're right, there's others things to. gtg for now will elaborate later
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followind said:
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Thoughts on the Claire situation:
-during real time Penta feels town, the way he handled that whole situation feels town to me.
-if Penta is scum was this the best course of action given the circumstances that he would know who made the night kill?
-I have been scum readingClaire hard but if Claire/Penra is town/town what approach would mafia take in this situation? I honestly feel they stay out of it or take the position that Crossbell and Grapefruit did.
-if you think I'm mafia and slipped because I know who made the NK does that make Penta my teammate?
-My top scum read has been replaced by "best town" this game is getting crazy as hell. Very interested in seeing how things go with Denja.

about this..
-If Penta was scum, he prob wouldn't have performed the gambit he did on D1 since it's risky. Most people would prob check him or Claire IMO
-If Claire and Penta is T and T, I feel mafia will just sit in the backseat and enjoy town self destuctiong..
-I didn't notice this but I don't think so since your interaction with him doesn't convinced my you're aligned

-Day 1 Penta didn't perform a gambit it was a hypothetical question that we blew out of proportion you even admitted you part in that in a previous post (part of my current iso on you). Why are you saying that Penta did a gambit D1 when you admitted to misinterpreting the hypothetical as a claim?
-Didn't you just take a back seat? When I asked people to take sides you said you wouldn't be taking a side and would let things work themselves out.
-Good answer.
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Whoops read that way too fast and misunderstood. But I don't think it'd be mind games...
Not going to suspect Penta solely for not being dead obviously. But just cause I want him to be town doesn't mean I'm going to treat him as such always.
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logic340 said:
followind said:

about this..
-If Penta was scum, he prob wouldn't have performed the gambit he did on D1 since it's risky. Most people would prob check him or Claire IMO
-If Claire and Penta is T and T, I feel mafia will just sit in the backseat and enjoy town self destuctiong..
-I didn't notice this but I don't think so since your interaction with him doesn't convinced my you're aligned

-Day 1 Penta didn't perform a gambit it was a hypothetical question that we blew out of proportion you even admitted you part in that in a previous post (part of my current iso on you). Why are you saying that Penta did a gambit D1 when you admitted to misinterpreting the hypothetical as a claim?
-Didn't you just take a back seat? When I asked people to take sides you said you wouldn't be taking a side and would let things work themselves out.
-Good answer.

Penta did do a gambit, but it wasn't the hypothetical day cop situation. Said he deliberately acted anti-town to test if Grape was going to keep his word and not give free passes to inactivity (something like that).
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RE1031 said:
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-Day 1 Penta didn't perform a gambit it was a hypothetical question that we blew out of proportion you even admitted you part in that in a previous post (part of my current iso on you). Why are you saying that Penta did a gambit D1 when you admitted to misinterpreting the hypothetical as a claim?
-Didn't you just take a back seat? When I asked people to take sides you said you wouldn't be taking a side and would let things work themselves out.
-Good answer.

Penta did do a gambit, but it wasn't the hypothetical day cop situation. Said he deliberately acted anti-town to test if Grape was going to keep his word and not give free passes to inactivity (something like that).
Yes I remember commenting on that. In my first read list I scum read both Penta and Grape for their interactions.
Grape for issuing the warning and leaving Penta to his own devices and Penta for being anti-town to get a reaction out of Grape and doing nothing with it.

I think the gambit he was talking about was the Day Cop thing though read #1546.
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Thoughts:
#149-#150 - He knows the importance of RVS but doesn't participate. He could place a pressure vote which he explains about to Grapefruit but doesn't
#160-#178 he seems to have an odd focus on Grapefruit (I can't say much as I tunneled D2 but something I noticed)
#176 - He is helping spread the idea that this is a claim thought it's a hypothetical question ( a lot of us did so not sure what this means for alignment).
#185 - This paranoid seems fake if you ask me. Penta could be counting on the DR or is Mafia, how about Penta could by lying or asking a hypothetical question. I know it was discussed then and for him to keep pushing this as a claim is what I think helped lead to a lot of confusion. Now I need to figure out why he did it.
#188 - We have to take risks and losing town back to back has sucked but nothing here says town to me. Like what he said could be mafia knowing they are both town.
#509 - I think post makes me feel town about follow. He as concerned about looking suspicious over breaking a 3-way RVS tie. Mafia are worried about looking suspicious but as mafia would he actually say he was worried about looking suspicious? He admits to his wrong doing in the Penta claim situation. Could have left things as Grape CP but suggest we look elsewhere.
#511 - Kind of contradicts his meta read on grrr in #201
#536 - Further contradicts #201 (not putting to much weight on this)
#540 - Going to be interesting to see if he follows through on this?
#555 - Maybe I am reading this worng but he seems to contradicts #509 a bit? he hasn't really shown any suspicion of CP or Grapefruit even saying we shouldn't tunnel on them in #509 now these are the two he is mulling over voting for. (lets see where his vote lands). Seems to me he is trying to decide between CP and Grape as opposed to asking if they are viable options for today?
#557 - Says that he feel CP is town which contradicts wanting to vote CP in #555
#567 - I really don't like this post the only thing he said about grrr is he could hide as scum due to his lurker playstyle (meta read which he admittedly doesn't like using).. He did not say grrr was a lynch option until Claire brought it up.
#593 - I really don't like this post after going on and on, on this page about not liking meta reads he is setting up to lynch grrr based on meta. He has stronger reads on CP, Grapefruit, and Claire but would take grrr over all of them
#595 - Votes grrr (meta read, scared of scum lurking).
#1179 - This read like "I haven't done anything scummy even though I am scum." What was his reason for voting grrr again? Lurking and potential of being mafia?
#1178-#1200 - This is when Claire/Penta was happening he stays out of it.
#1367 - Would scum accuse someone of doing what they were doing? I think it's possible considering all the inacitves this game
#1370 - A lot of speculation that pains me as scum (lets see where the vote ends up)
#1437 - This one confuses me because he admitted earlier to being confused on whether it was a claim or not but by saying Penta made a gambit D1 he is implying Penta made a claim which didn't happen.
#1446 - This one confuses me as it contradicts #1370 about me tunneling Claire. I made mention of this in the thread. If he is suspicious of me why is he posturing himself to vote Grapefruit where my gaze has shifted to from Claire? Doesn't really say why Grapefruit is scummy or what he though was town about Grapefruit's play just generalizations'.
#1548 - These are the posts that really confuse me like would mafia include themselves in the suspect list like this? At this point I want to say YES!
#1566 - This I find strange as both Penat and I had discussed willows posts, I had discussed them with willow D1 and I get the impression her posts were leaving an impression with people. Playing the fence here?

There are a lot more posts from him than I thought there would be. I went into this scum reading him. After D1 I was feeling pretty good about a town lean here. Then D2 happened and we have so many contradictions and things that could be truth in plain sight type of shit. I am going to leave this as a scum read but would like others to weigh in. I would say he had a stronger scum read on me than he did on Grapefruit when he voted Grapefruit. I would like to see the vote count and see if someone was on me that he didn't want to land with his buddy? His scum read of Grapefruit seems more OMGUS than anything else as he didn't even explain why he felt Grapefruit was scummy. First vote on the train probably receiving less scrutiny than the other votes that piled on later.
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I'm good with follow or Crossbell at this point. Probably follow more than Crossbell but I am willing to wait to see if we get more out of either of them.
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Vote No lynch

You guys are drunk if Lamby gets modkilled today as inactive town and we mislynch town again then the game is over.

I prefer we have no lynch today and have another night flip because we can start making links because the next flip will be the one that will solve the mystery.

No lynch is obviously the optimal play here.

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Vote No lynch

You guys are drunk if Lamby gets modkilled today as inactive town and we mislynch town again then the game is over.

I prefer we have no lynch today and have another night flip because we can start making links because the next flip will be the one that will solve the mystery.

No lynch is obviously the optimal play here.
No lynch+replacement+NK would put us in Mylo right?
No lynch+Mod kill+NK puts us in Lylo correct?
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Again I just played a scum game and did just this to get by. I painted my self into a corner D3 (I could only vote on person) then reevaluated overnight and moved to my next lynch target D4. It's not out of the realm of possibility and the fact that you don't even consider it scares me to be honest.

Did you answer a question at the beginning of the game that indicated that this approach was your natural way to approach solving a game? That's what my townread is based on.

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You need to stop overthinking Logic

Okay.
Vote: logic340
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@PentaFlare are you willing to discuss followind yet or is he still off the table?

They're not off the table, I don't feel strongly about them myself so I would want to hear a strong case.
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logic340 said:
DenjaX said:
Vote No lynch

You guys are drunk if Lamby gets modkilled today as inactive town and we mislynch town again then the game is over.

I prefer we have no lynch today and have another night flip because we can start making links because the next flip will be the one that will solve the mystery.

No lynch is obviously the optimal play here.
No lynch+replacement+NK would put us in Mylo right?
No lynch+Mod kill+NK puts us in Lylo correct?
i dunno what you mean but modkill town already puts us in mylo.

Think of it as 5 town vs 3 scum if we remove lamby out of the picture as town. So it is very risky to lynch as we obviously havent cleared many people.

Best case scenario is Lamby flipping scum but I dont want to take any chances.

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logic340 said:
Again I just played a scum game and did just this to get by. I painted my self into a corner D3 (I could only vote on person) then reevaluated overnight and moved to my next lynch target D4. It's not out of the realm of possibility and the fact that you don't even consider it scares me to be honest.

Did you answer a question at the beginning of the game that indicated that this approach was your natural way to approach solving a game? That's what my townread is based on.

logic340 said:
You need to stop overthinking Logic

Okay.
Vote: logic340
So your win con is to put number or equal town?
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PentaFlare said:
logic340 said:
Again I just played a scum game and did just this to get by. I painted my self into a corner D3 (I could only vote on person) then reevaluated overnight and moved to my next lynch target D4. It's not out of the realm of possibility and the fact that you don't even consider it scares me to be honest.

Did you answer a question at the beginning of the game that indicated that this approach was your natural way to approach solving a game? That's what my townread is based on.

logic340 said:
You need to stop overthinking Logic

Okay.
Vote: logic340
your vote is bad and you should feel bad.

I cant believe you are this shortsighted.

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@PentaFlare your unwillingness to look elsewhere is really starting to scare me if you are indeed town you are going to make us lose this game.

@DenjaX thoughts on this latest vote from Penta?
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DenjaX said:
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Did you answer a question at the beginning of the game that indicated that this approach was your natural way to approach solving a game? That's what my townread is based on.


Okay.
Vote: logic340
your vote is bad and you should feel bad.

I cant believe you are this shortsighted.
Ah....didn't see this before I posted. Make me feel like he is scum because this isn't townie behavior in this situation to close off all other avenues and posture for a mislynch.
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Got some free time.

Gonna catch up now.
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logic340 said:
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Did you answer a question at the beginning of the game that indicated that this approach was your natural way to approach solving a game? That's what my townread is based on.


Okay.
Vote: logic340
So your win con is to put number or equal town?

No, but I've been scumreading you most of this game and the only reason I hadn't voted you already is because I was overthinking it. If I stop overthinking and just go on intuition, I would be voting you.

The follow case did catch my interest though so I'm looking into that right now.
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Obviously Lamby aint returning so just in case he pulls a Togs on us I will vote him first

Vote Lamby

Everybody who has high critical thinking should see my play is optimal and more informative. So I expect those kind of people to sheep my vote. Unless of course, they are scum and want to end town swiftly.

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DenjaX said:
PentaFlare said:

Did you answer a question at the beginning of the game that indicated that this approach was your natural way to approach solving a game? That's what my townread is based on.


Okay.
Vote: logic340
your vote is bad and you should feel bad.

I cant believe you are this shortsighted.

This wasn't a serious vote. I'm just having fun with the "stop overthinking logic" thing. I haven't completely caught up yet, so until then, no serious votes.
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Obviously Lamby aint returning so just in case he pulls a Togs on us I will vote him first

Vote Lamby

Everybody who has high critical thinking should see my play is optimal and more informative. So I expect those kind of people to sheep my vote. Unless of course, they are scum and want to end town swiftly.

So you want to lynch the inactive slot because it isn't contributing to our votes anyway?
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DenjaX said:
Vote No lynch

You guys are drunk if Lamby gets modkilled today as inactive town and we mislynch town again then the game is over.

I prefer we have no lynch today and have another night flip because we can start making links because the next flip will be the one that will solve the mystery.

No lynch is obviously the optimal play here.

Is it because after tomorrow's death we'll really be screwed and by solving the mystery you mean scum win and that's how we find out who they are? :)

@logic340 I checked followind's post and it didn't really specify either. But it doesn't seem to significant.
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PentaFlare said:
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@PentaFlare are you willing to discuss followind yet or is he still off the table?

They're not off the table, I don't feel strongly about them myself so I would want to hear a strong case.
Or we can talk though them. I have put out ISO's on follow and grrr you have said nothing about either one.
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PentaFlare said:
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So your win con is to put number or equal town?

No, but I've been scumreading you most of this game and the only reason I hadn't voted you already is because I was overthinking it. If I stop overthinking and just go on intuition, I would be voting you.

The follow case did catch my interest though so I'm looking into that right now.
Incorrect the vote on me is you overthinking it (unless you are scum). Hopefully you wont be going on intuition then or else we're sunk. Like no town puts in the effort I put in and it's kind of a slap in the face for you to be acting like I am scum here. Makes me feel like Chione in TGT where he just got under my skin as mafia.
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logic340 said:
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They're not off the table, I don't feel strongly about them myself so I would want to hear a strong case.
Or we can talk though them. I have put out ISO's on follow and grrr you have said nothing about either one.

I don't have hyper speed. I am still working through the follow idea because I'm not just going to take your interpretation at face value. I need time to think.
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It is impossible for this set-up to have 4 scum. It is a complete overkill and 1 mistake from vigilante is already over for town. No set-ups should have a particular role to be a determinant in the whole outcome, especially for a basic set-up.

So I am certain there are 3 mafias. My proposal should still work.

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DenjaX said:
Obviously Lamby aint returning so just in case he pulls a Togs on us I will vote him first

Vote Lamby

Everybody who has high critical thinking should see my play is optimal and more informative. So I expect those kind of people to sheep my vote. Unless of course, they are scum and want to end town swiftly.

So you want to lynch the inactive slot because it isn't contributing to our votes anyway?
read my goddamn reasons before asking on that.

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