Basic Game V6: Kitty Mafia | Game End - Mafia Win!

PentaFlare said:
We only have one mislynch left and I would prefer that doesn't happen this phase. I don't want to lynch Denja because there is still too much uncertainty there. Seems like the kind of player would be taken advantage of as mislynch bait for town.

grrr is out of the question. Too little information. Too risky for this point in the game. Same with Lamb due to the disappearance on day 2.

I'm hesitant about RE, follow, and Shinichi, but if you have a really good case, fire away.

This leaves logic and Crossbell as my primary suspects right now. They are my first focuses.

Crossbell said:


Just a random observation: If logic is town, I still do think that there may be one scum on this wagon.

It overlaps so heavily with Rosie's wagon though, so I have no idea how helpful this observation will be.

logic340 said:

RE - Grapefruit and willow (both confirmed town) both voted here early d1. I think this might be worth looking into.

RE1031 said:

Nope nope nope nope nope nope
vote: logic340
Sorry but that was early day 1 when reads are inaccurate af. They changed their minds later on, and rightfully so.
You've been asking us a lot what our thoughts are on you being mafia especially given Grapefruit's lynch. Maybe it's time you came up with some original ideas why you wouldn't be mafia given your circumstances.

Thing about Crossbell being a suspect is his vote on logic for yesterday's lynch would have been very, very risky. It's either or, or both are townies.
So, I suggest that in addition to defending yourself, you offer insight on why Crossbell would possibly be mafia. Or even DenjaX.

logic340 said:
At the mere suggestion of looking into you I get this type of response? You make it seem as if I said you were outright scum.

As for your comments and questions:
I've had pently of "original" ideas.
I suggested t/t me and Grapefruit
I've been talking about Crossbell since before last phase ended.
I did an ISO on grrr
I reevaluated my reads while talking through things with Shinichi
I put out an updated read list
I'm questioning Penta
I feel we need to pressure follow
Not sure what you're seeing as nothing original but fair enough

RE1031 said:

I don't see your reasoning behind mentioning the fact that Grapefruit and amberwillow voted for me as reasoning into looking into me. Grapefruit's vote on me had no purpose. In case you didn't realize, amberwillow and Grapefruit also voted for you throughout the course of this game.

As for original ideas, I mean in regards to you not being mafia.

logic340 said:
It's something I noticed as I looked through the vote history and as I reread the thread. Does it mean you are scum? No but it's something to look at in regards to trying to figure you out.

RE1031 said:

You want to figure me out by looking at the votes of two people who voted for me along with plenty of other people?

logic340 said:
So how do you weight the living players against the dead town players who voted predominately town?

logic340 said:
Why hesitant on follow? How accurate is the algorithm? Have you explained how it works somewhere in the thread previously?

logic340 said:

grrr - why is he "out of the question"
Lam - I just won a scum game by getting my partner a reprieve due to activity I need a better reason.
RE - Grapefruit and willow (both confirmed town) both voted here early d1. I think this might be worth looking into.
follow - Asked this one already
Shinichi - I'd like to see more from him before he's completely off the table but I have a slight town read on that slot.
DenjaX - why not figure him out this phase instead of just pushing it off due to uncertainty. Him and Claire both have plenty of posts with content.
Crossbell - What are your thoughts here?
Logic - You know how I feel about him and you have his claim

logic340 said:
Why such a negative connotation? Maybe I look back and I feel your town I'm not understanding this attack from you. I wasn't slandering you just said it was something to look at. So, I was thinking that was a place to start but this interaction will hopefully help to provide some insight.

RE1031 said:
@PentaFlare
Here's an idea: So I don't know how the algorithm works and even less so how accurate it is. But, if you happen to have some very strong town reads, then treat them like yourself and take them out of the mix. Then compare results.

PentaFlare said:

Not a good idea. It needs to be only confirmed town treated like confirmed town. The algorithm isn't accurate enough as is (until maybe day 4), I don't want speculation in it too.

logic340 said:
@RE1031 The reason I am not the mafia given the is because I would have essentially sacrificed myself for one mislynch. What was Grapefruit doing so well that I would need to Kamikaze and sacrifice myself in order to ensure that mislynch went through? If I am the mafia do you feel my team and I were so short sighted they let me sink myself pushing a mislynch on Grapefruit? Which puts our wincon in danger as we lose a mafia member and then links can start to be made?

let me ask you this: Why would I be mafia given the circumstances?

RE1031 said:

Hmm okay.

And on an off note, I guess we're never going to be discussing night actions.

logic340 said:
I am a dog person too we may need to stick together.

PentaFlare said:

This isn't exactly how you went about it. You didn't kamikaze into grape, you put a ton of emphasis on possibly being t/t but still went for the lynch. You were trying as hard as possible to not be seen as such immediately if grape flipped town. You seemed to already know.

RE1031 said:

THIS IS SO FUCKING HEARTBREAKING WTF

logic340 said:
@RE1031 The reason I am not the mafia given the is because I would have essentially sacrificed myself for one mislynch. What was Grapefruit doing so well that I would need to Kamikaze and sacrifice myself in order to ensure that mislynch went through? If I am the mafia do you feel my team and I were so short sighted they let me sink myself pushing a mislynch on Grapefruit? Which puts our wincon in danger as we lose a mafia member and then links can start to be made?

let me ask you this: Why would I be mafia given the circumstances?

logic340 said:
Thigs felt weird me and Grape became the focus and two easy targets. Neither relented and it ended badly I'd like to avoid that same thing happening here again. You know how you feel about me yet you want to take people your less certain of off the table? Shouldn't we use this phase to try and figure them out do when your in lylo after lynching me you can actually catch scum?

Also how do you fit into your algorithm as unconfirm town for the rest of us who are looking at you not knowing what your allotment is?

RE1031 said:

You weren't pushing Grapefruit, Grapefruit was pushing you. No matter what Grapefruit says, he does have a habit of being a likable lynch target. You saw an opportunity to turn the tides. You even mentioned Grape's misfortune in twins where he suspected and voted for me and everyone ended up voting for him - and bonus: the next day nobody even suspected me. Yeah we were both townies in that circumstance - but this time around, the votes were very close, suggesting someone needed saving. And it's quite interesting you mention Grapefruit in twins as you made this post a while ago excusing your lack of knowledge of twins with being killed N1.

One more question: would you say your vote on Grapefruit was to save yourself or because you thought he was scum? Answer doesn't need to be either or, but I would like one.

Also sorry I didn't reply earlier - I somehow missed this post.

PentaFlare said:

I've always posted both one with me as confirmed town and a version that includes me. If you don't want me to be confirmed town, look at the latter.

logic340 said:
What are you seeing in Crossbell's behavior that has him as a top suspect for you?

logic340 said:
@RE1031 do you have a read list?

PentaFlare said:

Their vote for rosie is what has caught my attention most but I'm looking into more of what Cross has done tonight. I'll likely summarize tomorrow once I've had time to let it digest.

logic340 said:
@PentaFlare and @RE1031 lets assume the three of us are all town. That leave:
Shinichi, Denja, Lam-B, grrr, folowind, and Crossbell. Which one of them is likely scum?

I say Crossbell

RE1031 said:

Yeah for someone who seems to be really interested in mafia I don't see a lot of posts. Never played a game with them before though. Then again, Lam-B I don't quite understand either. folowind I'm giving the benefit of doubt.

Shinichi-kun - I honestly haven't been paying much attention to his posts but him agreeing with DenjaX's no lynch for yesterday seems like something scum wouldn't want to do. You know, unless he's actually partners with logic.

logic340 said:
What makes you comfortable enough with follow to give him the benefit of the doubt? Did you have a read on Sollux before Shinichi switched in? What do you think about my read list? #1509

RE1031 said:

It's really just a hunch. His voting style and posts mimic someone who's town but not deeply invested in the game. Unless anyone can offer an example of a time this wasn't the case for this particular player, then my hunch is most likely going to stick.
Played with Sollux I think twice before, similar vibes to folowind. Though it's interesting that last time I played with him (twins), he didn't feel the need to be replaced despite inactivity being about the same.

grrr said:
Make sure you post your cat as well your role. I don't think that there are that many famous cats, and chances are that mafia has evil cats ( not sure if such exist but who knows) so they might be forced to fake claim a cat.

Also if you post and you don't vote you are confirmed mafia. you have no reasons to hold your vote in a lylo day.

grrr said:
Hello kitty*

vote: logic

grrr said:
RE after logic I will get you. I find it very suspicous that you didn't vote on logic while I was trying to lynch him, but right when i gave up on logic and started chasing the non-voters, you switched to him. And now you lynch him instantly. The way I see it you use him to clean your name. But of course logic comes first, then it is you.

logic340 said:
I claimed yesterday but I'm vanilla Kuroneko-sama from trigun


Are you a lyncher?

RE1031 said:

That's because I was after DenjaX. Me voting for logic had nothing to do with your votes - it had to do with the fact a lynch on logic would be more informative than a lynch on grapefruit.
Also you're pretty suspicious as well. You were more willing to lynch someone who didn't agree with your suspect over your actual suspect at the time. But apparently this is normal for you.

grrr said:


It was pressure vote. Because we had 5 non voters and there is no way that all 5 are mafia. At least one is town. So why on earth would a town member not vote. You had posts but you didn't vote. Same with crossbell, penta and willow. Only lamb seemed to be inactive but the rest of you were active and didn't vote.