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Mar 25, 2017 5:05 PM
#1501
Mar 25, 2017 5:24 PM
#1502
PentaFlare said: @_Claire_ This is something I noted while backreading early in the night phase. Work me through your thought process while making this post. What is it about Corrupted's recent games that merits this harsh of a treatment? cp wasscum in his 2 more recent games so i think that wareents it ould be wrong tho. |
Mar 25, 2017 5:29 PM
#1503
Shinichi-Kun said: PentaFlare said: @_Claire_ This is something I noted while backreading early in the night phase. Work me through your thought process while making this post. What is it about Corrupted's recent games that merits this harsh of a treatment? cp wasscum in his 2 more recent games so i think that wareents it ould be wrong tho. That's not enough to say that the instant they do something slightly scummy they are immediately worth lynching. Alignment this game has nothing to do with other alignments. |
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Mar 25, 2017 5:32 PM
#1504
PentaFlare said: So, Claire has just triggered one of her major scumtells in a game. When she is scum and is heavily suspected, especially early on, she will not try to defend herself by interacting with the players who suspect her and trying to change her mind. Town Claire will do this, usually getting very emotional in the process. However, mafia Claire will either just try and pull an emotion defense ("there is nothing I can defend myself with when it is only day 1. What could you expect me to do?" kind of thing) which is how I got her as scum in Shounen Crossover, or she will switch the argument to be about mechanics instead of mindset and past actions. This is definitely Claire's scum game. From page 20 alone i dont see any set of emotion from claire nor do i see her saying anything about she cant defend herself tho. Since when do you use meta to read people anyways? |
Mar 25, 2017 5:33 PM
#1505
PentaFlare said: Shinichi-Kun said: PentaFlare said: @_Claire_ This is something I noted while backreading early in the night phase. Work me through your thought process while making this post. What is it about Corrupted's recent games that merits this harsh of a treatment? cp wasscum in his 2 more recent games so i think that wareents it ould be wrong tho. That's not enough to say that the instant they do something slightly scummy they are immediately worth lynching. Alignment this game has nothing to do with other alignments. IK that but im always wary of good players, you being one of those players lol |
Mar 25, 2017 5:35 PM
#1506
Shinichi-Kun said: PentaFlare said: So, Claire has just triggered one of her major scumtells in a game. When she is scum and is heavily suspected, especially early on, she will not try to defend herself by interacting with the players who suspect her and trying to change her mind. Town Claire will do this, usually getting very emotional in the process. However, mafia Claire will either just try and pull an emotion defense ("there is nothing I can defend myself with when it is only day 1. What could you expect me to do?" kind of thing) which is how I got her as scum in Shounen Crossover, or she will switch the argument to be about mechanics instead of mindset and past actions. This is definitely Claire's scum game. From page 20 alone i dont see any set of emotion from claire nor do i see her saying anything about she cant defend herself tho. Since when do you use meta to read people anyways? Reread it. I provided two options for how she will respond to that situation. The second is making the discussion about mechanics instead. That's what she was doing. I don't use meta generally because it usually refers to "oh, this person just feels different than usual" and that's often just paranoia or a change in playstyle. However, there are players who I know concrete tells for and I will use those tells to gauge their alignment. |
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Mar 25, 2017 5:36 PM
#1507
Grapefruit21 said: PentaFlare said: You aren't cleared on your "facts" Claire. If there was no information about us other than the fact that we both made these claims, it would be 50/50 to guess who is yelling the truth. However, because there is more information, a careful analysis can be done and the odds will different. I intend to show that the likelihood of you being town is very unlikely. Here's the thing though: 1 one you is dying this phase 100% with this dictohmy. And we can afford it to be you first because you haven't claimed a PR. The only way we lynch Claire first here is if she is caught in a provable lie. And that isn't the case right now. Vote: PentaFlare If you're town sorry and we'll lynch Claire tomorrow and get a 1 for 1 which is pretty great. not a fan of grape coming back just to sheep the information claire put out. |
Mar 25, 2017 5:37 PM
#1508
logic340 said: Grapefruit21 said: based on yesterday I don't believe that she would have power role and I don't believe we're just throwing it away you're not even questioning it which is very concerning considering your warning at the beginning of the gamelogic340 said: vote:_Claire_ all that talk about town needs to step up now you're leaving it to mechanics and not stepping up. If Penta is truly scum then do something to help me believe this claim. You are awful gung-ho to lynch a claimed PR, I know you're scum reading Claire but it's not like she claimed under huge pressure here. Are you really willing to throw away a town PR because you're so sure of this read? I get what grape is saying aboutlynching her when she claimed pr but you are right that hes believing her to easily. Tho this is all under the knowledge of me kknowing claire lied already. |
Mar 25, 2017 5:43 PM
#1509
logic340 said: Sollux16 - I have like no impression of him so far this game. Crossbell-willow - I think I gave these two the benefit of the doubt day 1. I'll be going over both of them this phase for sure. RE1031 - she has some interesting things and it's not that I think she is scum for it I have her in neutral and it just keeps me from moving her into the town side. Logic340 - he's scum lynch that guy Grapefruit21 - similar to RE but less due to early scum read. Ideological differences (check) likely town grape Lam-B - Town lean nothing's changed followind - I definitely need to take a closer look here he's had some interesting posts. No reel feel, neutral PentaFlare-_Claire_ - one of them is scum grrr - waiting on people's opinions but slight town lean. Edit: Typos on meowbile I can't type with these claws sollux/Shinichi - still no impression. Not Enough Info pile Crossbell - Early town vibe has faded with his activity. I didn't like his stance during the Claire situation and I agree with willow it felt like role fishing on pages 22-23. willow - My thoughts are already on the previous page slight town lean. RE1031 - I've wrestled with it long enough I'm moving her to the town side. Her interactions during the whole claim situation felt town to me. She didn't automatically believe the claim and asked some good questions in #1100. Logic - He's still scum lynch him already Grapefruit - Early part of the Claire claim felt like town Grapefruit but then page 22 and 23 took me back to thinking scum Grapefruit. His reads have no substance right now relying on gut and emotional tells. Where's Transparent Grapefruit give off to? I honestly feel like good position in the whole role claim situation is a good position for scum to take if they're not going to take a back seat. Lam-B - Hasn't posted similar to Cross but not as extreme the early town vibe has faded with activity. Moving back to neutral. followind - I want to see where this vote on Grapefruit goes. He's played the background most of the game and it's someone who is under the radar for me. Neutral PentaFlare - I hope this is town Penta. I'm willing to change it this phase and reconsider later. The way he handled that claim situation he's be feeling comfortable here. Claire/DenjaX - My top suspect was replaced by "best town". I haven't even reconciled how I feel about Claire pointing suspicion st Penta and now I get to deal with Denja XD. I'm torn I just saw town Claire make a similar play but this one feels different. Hard to hold Denja accountable so back to a note neutral with a scum lean on predecessor. grrr - The vote on Claire makes sense, the vote on me doesn't. Like RE I'm getting town vibes here but I have asked Lam and Cross their opinions (still waiting in response), but I don't think he's scum here with how he handled CP situation day one. Slight Town Lean; Crossbell, amberwillow, Lam-B Neutral: Sollux16, RE1031, CorruptedPurity, followind, PentaFlare, grrr Slight Scum Lean: Grapefruit21, _Claire_, Oyasumi_Rosie Slight Town Lean; Lam-B Neutral: Crossbell, amberwillow, Sollux16, RE1031, CorruptedPurity, followind, PentaFlare, grrr Slight Scum Lean: Grapefruit21, _Claire_ Town Lean: Penta, RE Slight Town Lean: grrr, willow Neutral: Lam-B, Shinichi, Crossbell, followind, DenjaX Scum Lean: Grapefruit |
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Mar 25, 2017 5:54 PM
#1510
logic340 said: If Penta really is scum then Claire has done nothing but help him hide that fact....this is like Alcatraz all over again but now I am on the other side...smh. Why does Town feel they need to lie and discredit themselves then bitch that town isn't paying attention? I still don't believe that she is town due to D1 and this gambit makes me feel even worse. I wish there was lynch lock so we could just get this over with and move on. Why are u letting your emotions get to you again, also i havent seen anything that makes claire actually scum. Outside of her usual norm that makes her scum every game, what specifically in this game makes her scum. Lets ignore the whole fake claim fiasco what else makes her scum? @logic340 |
Mar 25, 2017 5:56 PM
#1511
PentaFlare said: Shinichi-Kun said: PentaFlare said: So, Claire has just triggered one of her major scumtells in a game. When she is scum and is heavily suspected, especially early on, she will not try to defend herself by interacting with the players who suspect her and trying to change her mind. Town Claire will do this, usually getting very emotional in the process. However, mafia Claire will either just try and pull an emotion defense ("there is nothing I can defend myself with when it is only day 1. What could you expect me to do?" kind of thing) which is how I got her as scum in Shounen Crossover, or she will switch the argument to be about mechanics instead of mindset and past actions. This is definitely Claire's scum game. From page 20 alone i dont see any set of emotion from claire nor do i see her saying anything about she cant defend herself tho. Since when do you use meta to read people anyways? Reread it. I provided two options for how she will respond to that situation. The second is making the discussion about mechanics instead. That's what she was doing. I don't use meta generally because it usually refers to "oh, this person just feels different than usual" and that's often just paranoia or a change in playstyle. However, there are players who I know concrete tells for and I will use those tells to gauge their alignment. I def see the emotion in bothher and logics posts thats for sure. |
Mar 25, 2017 6:05 PM
#1512
Mar 25, 2017 6:06 PM
#1513
logic340 said: PentaFlare said: Plus town points +++++Grapefruit21 said: logic340 said: amberwillow said: You didn't mention my name? You quoted my post so I responded to you. If that makes me scum then say so but stop trying to make something out of nothing if you are town. This is the second time and I am not liking it? I am starting to think you are the one trying to make people look bad first with RE and now with me? This is why I asked you to tell me about your playstyle because if this is the usual then ok but it sounds like it isn't and concerns me. logic340 said: I was expressing my answer through that lil qstn. But well it's not like it indicates your aligment, just looked funny.amberwillow said: You didn't answer my last question thought. And this is slightly different as it was a post you had quoted me in. logic340 said: Does it? Just thought that it's similar like how ya picked on RE replying to what was not meant for her xDamberwillow said: Sure, why not? I'm a leading suspect today just like most others on the train. Just being as transparent as I can be. Does posting this make me scum or something?logic340 said: So it's really nice that u said this and I see your point. Just a note that I didn't ask you that. Did u feel the need to justify yourself?amberwillow said: I felt either was fine but admittedly felt stronger about Claire. I pushed Claire's lynch for the majority of the day yesterday but couldn't get any support. When I saw purity toured with Rosie I made a choice to break the tie by voting my other scum read.logic340 said: Oh right, I missed that. Then my question for him changes to - why did he chose to move to Rosie rather than persuading others to vote Claire? Were u (@CrossBell) influenced by Grape's vote? Did Claire looked more town than Rosie? Or either was fine?amberwillow said: Crossbell and I were on Claire while you were mulling over CP and Grapefruit though?Didn't want to post too much during night so here @CorruptedPurity: #900 The thing is, I thought that those your "fluff" posts might bring bad attention toward Lamb and cuz of that he might be in danger, so I posted that note with a hope that specific someone would think twice if they wanted to target him. #911 1) Voting someone else didn't look like a good option. Grr had 2 votes so that would have created another tie. Claire was a bit more of an option and tbh if Cross would have chosen to vote Claire instead of Rosie then likely I would have switched my vote there. And I wasn't rly willing to vote others then. .. Wait. Now that I think. Why didn't u (@Crossbell) vote Claire and chose Rosie even though before making that read list u were talking a lot bout Claire acting fishy? Because she looked more town than Rosie? Or either was fine? Edit: corrected word You're nitpicking again like I picked up on with RE. Doesn't feel very town motivated at the moment can you explain your playstyle for me because it seems to me you look for little things to pick at and make them bigger than they really are. What do you mean? The question was pointed toward Cross not u. I didn't even mention your name, maybe u misunderstood to where it was aimed (even though I user-mentioned Cross fixing my original question #935?) because I adressed him under what u had pointed at. I am not sure if u are trying to make me look bad? I just noted what seemed bit strange to me. This is where trouble in communicating leads lel. I can't really explain how I play? I note what I notice and just see where it leads. If I see something off about the reply then I question. But you exaggerate saying that I always do that. Which side are you on in the Claire/Penta dichotomy? logic stop helping scum and let this resolve itself. We don't need to take sides. Read, take notes, find possible buddies for both. Stop trying to pressure people to have an opinion when this resolves itself. Drawing the battle-lines now will make it harder for people to switch sides when mechanics resolves it for us. People hate to admit they are wrong so not forming an opinon on this till everyone has a chance to counter claim is counter productive. No. This is wrong. Forcing people to take a side based only on reads will be very insightful when flips come around. Are the reasons for picking one person over the other justified? What points are they noting. It is all valid material to build a read off. logic wants to further their read on willow by making willow express a side and there is nothing wrong with that. huh lol this is biased af u cant give town points to someone that follows uur logic thats not how it works. |
Mar 25, 2017 6:29 PM
#1514
Shinichi-Kun said: Isk maybe I am a little more emotional, just the beginning of this game felt like a lot of carry over. Any way I want to move psst all that. To answer your question. Her 118-120 was reminiscent of my scum entry more IIOA about previous games than anything that had to do witht his one. In 120 she posture herself to be trained on CP for the phase (I think Penta, touched on this whole talking with you earlier). I asked her to verify that CP's meta read on Grapefruit was wrong (I didn't think CP was really off base) and she refused to work with me because I was scummish. I asked her to give be CP meta seeing as how we both played scum games with CP, she refused. When I finally got the answered they were vague CP just like scum game (I had similar feeling but tried to probe further and provided reasons why I thought it wasn't necessarily scum CP. The jump to grrr and then back to CP was also odd. She's talked about town needing to step up and I don't feel her play this game is not helping town step up imo.logic340 said: If Penta really is scum then Claire has done nothing but help him hide that fact....this is like Alcatraz all over again but now I am on the other side...smh. Why does Town feel they need to lie and discredit themselves then bitch that town isn't paying attention? I still don't believe that she is town due to D1 and this gambit makes me feel even worse. I wish there was lynch lock so we could just get this over with and move on. Why are u letting your emotions get to you again, also i havent seen anything that makes claire actually scum. Outside of her usual norm that makes her scum every game, what specifically in this game makes her scum. Lets ignore the whole fake claim fiasco what else makes her scum? @logic340 |
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Mar 25, 2017 6:35 PM
#1515
🐭 Vote Count 2.7 🐭 Grapefruit21 (3) followind, Logic340, Shinichi-Kun Logic340 (2) Grrr, Grapefruit21 followind (1) DenjaX Not Voting Crossbell, RE1031, Lam-B, amberwillow, PentaFlare 🐭 Vote History 🐭 Logic340: DenjaX > unvote > DenjaX > Grapefruit21 DenjaX: PentaFlare > followind PentaFlare: DenjaX > unvote Grapefruit21: PentaFlare > DenjaX > unvote > Logic340 Grrr: Logic340 > DenjaX > Logic340 Shinichi-Kun: Grrr > Grapefruit21 followind: Grapefruit21 Mod notes: What's a cat's favourite colour? Purrrrple. :3c 🕒 Countdown to Night 2 🕒 |
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Mar 25, 2017 6:38 PM
#1516
Shinichi-Kun said: I guess those are the emotions showing though....lol.logic340 said: PentaFlare said: Grapefruit21 said: logic340 said: amberwillow said: You didn't mention my name? You quoted my post so I responded to you. If that makes me scum then say so but stop trying to make something out of nothing if you are town. This is the second time and I am not liking it? I am starting to think you are the one trying to make people look bad first with RE and now with me? This is why I asked you to tell me about your playstyle because if this is the usual then ok but it sounds like it isn't and concerns me. logic340 said: I was expressing my answer through that lil qstn. But well it's not like it indicates your aligment, just looked funny.amberwillow said: You didn't answer my last question thought. And this is slightly different as it was a post you had quoted me in. logic340 said: Does it? Just thought that it's similar like how ya picked on RE replying to what was not meant for her xDamberwillow said: Sure, why not? I'm a leading suspect today just like most others on the train. Just being as transparent as I can be. Does posting this make me scum or something?logic340 said: So it's really nice that u said this and I see your point. Just a note that I didn't ask you that. Did u feel the need to justify yourself?amberwillow said: I felt either was fine but admittedly felt stronger about Claire. I pushed Claire's lynch for the majority of the day yesterday but couldn't get any support. When I saw purity toured with Rosie I made a choice to break the tie by voting my other scum read.logic340 said: Oh right, I missed that. Then my question for him changes to - why did he chose to move to Rosie rather than persuading others to vote Claire? Were u (@CrossBell) influenced by Grape's vote? Did Claire looked more town than Rosie? Or either was fine?amberwillow said: Crossbell and I were on Claire while you were mulling over CP and Grapefruit though?Didn't want to post too much during night so here @CorruptedPurity: #900 The thing is, I thought that those your "fluff" posts might bring bad attention toward Lamb and cuz of that he might be in danger, so I posted that note with a hope that specific someone would think twice if they wanted to target him. #911 1) Voting someone else didn't look like a good option. Grr had 2 votes so that would have created another tie. Claire was a bit more of an option and tbh if Cross would have chosen to vote Claire instead of Rosie then likely I would have switched my vote there. And I wasn't rly willing to vote others then. .. Wait. Now that I think. Why didn't u (@Crossbell) vote Claire and chose Rosie even though before making that read list u were talking a lot bout Claire acting fishy? Because she looked more town than Rosie? Or either was fine? Edit: corrected word You're nitpicking again like I picked up on with RE. Doesn't feel very town motivated at the moment can you explain your playstyle for me because it seems to me you look for little things to pick at and make them bigger than they really are. What do you mean? The question was pointed toward Cross not u. I didn't even mention your name, maybe u misunderstood to where it was aimed (even though I user-mentioned Cross fixing my original question #935?) because I adressed him under what u had pointed at. I am not sure if u are trying to make me look bad? I just noted what seemed bit strange to me. This is where trouble in communicating leads lel. I can't really explain how I play? I note what I notice and just see where it leads. If I see something off about the reply then I question. But you exaggerate saying that I always do that. Which side are you on in the Claire/Penta dichotomy? logic stop helping scum and let this resolve itself. We don't need to take sides. Read, take notes, find possible buddies for both. Stop trying to pressure people to have an opinion when this resolves itself. Drawing the battle-lines now will make it harder for people to switch sides when mechanics resolves it for us. People hate to admit they are wrong so not forming an opinon on this till everyone has a chance to counter claim is counter productive. No. This is wrong. Forcing people to take a side based only on reads will be very insightful when flips come around. Are the reasons for picking one person over the other justified? What points are they noting. It is all valid material to build a read off. logic wants to further their read on willow by making willow express a side and there is nothing wrong with that. huh lol this is biased af u cant give town points to someone that follows uur logic thats not how it works. My position was that we should see how people felt about both sides so that when the truth became know we would opinions to look back on and hold people accountable to. |
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Mar 25, 2017 6:38 PM
#1517
logic340 said: Grapefruit21 said: Managed to squeeze in time for the Cross read. First here are all the emotional tell posts. These are not a great thing to base on because they can be faked but they are a good start. Crossbell said: Rosie, if you're a town power role, you need to show up and claim. Crossbell said: ARE YOU KIDDING ME. Crossbell said: I TELL ROSIE TO CLAIM IF SHE IS A POWER ROLE SO CAN MOVE OFF OF HER DOESN'T I ASK GRR TO BE VIGGED CAN'T NOW Are you kidding me? Crossbell said: Crossbell said: Rosie, if you're a town power role, you need to show up and claim. Crossbell said: Rosie, if you're a town power role, you need to show up and claim. Crossbell said: Rosie, if you're a town power role, you need to show up and claim. Crossbell said: Rosie, if you're a town power role, you need to show up and claim. Crossbell said: Rosie, if you're a town power role, you need to show up and claim. Crossbell said: Rosie, if you're a town power role, you need to show up and claim. Crossbell said: Rosie, if you're a town power role, you need to show up and claim. Crossbell said: Rosie, if you're a town power role, you need to show up and claim. Cross is good, but I don't think he fakes that level of emotion as scum, and then immdieately follow by pointing to the wagon as the place to look. Crossbell said: Oyasumi_Rosie (6) RE1031, Grapefruit21, Crossbell, Logic340, amberwillow, Grrr Scum on this wagon for sure. [RE, amber, grr] <- somewhere in there. The continued fall out in 805 through 833 comes across as continued townie frustration. There are some minor red flags with him picking out amber, RE, and grrr as the likely scum targets but it tracks with his read wall and it doesn't worry me for now. I also like that I mind melded on Cross with regards to the Cop Claim. It's an indicator I like without being completely reliant on. And his reaction to the unclaim had the same genuine frustration as earlier to it here. Crossbell said: Just that, if you're town here, WHY THE HECK WOULD FALSECLAIM A GUILTY CHECK ON DAY 2. So TLDR Cross' emotion has felt genuine. I had a few mind meld moments including for the most part a D1 read list, and I think that I can read scum Cross and I'm not worried about getting fooled late game. A few things first you telling me to set emotional tells aside this game is really funny. Gave me a very good laugh. Second what do you want more clarity on? Yes it's a read based on emotion but I attempted to make it easy to follow and straight forward. I believe my only other gut reads are sollux and followind. And Shinichi is making me feel good about the first of those. @Shinichi-kun I voted for Penta because if the claim is true that is the correct vote and if it's not a CC will come down and make it moot. Objectively that was the correct play. Easy to fake as scum because it's not a read you have to make, but objectively the right play unless you have ironclad proof Claire is lying. Town should never lynch a PR without overwhelming proof of a lie. |
Mar 25, 2017 6:41 PM
#1518
Grapefruit21 said: @Shinichi-kun I voted for Penta because if the claim is true that is the correct vote and if it's not a CC will come down and make it moot. Objectively that was the correct play. Easy to fake as scum because it's not a read you have to make, but objectively the right play unless you have ironclad proof Claire is lying. Town should never lynch a PR without overwhelming proof of a lie. Problem is u didnt even try to think or look into it. Your just like yep penta is scum down with penta burn the witch kind of crap. |
Mar 25, 2017 6:50 PM
#1519
Shinichi-Kun said: Grapefruit21 said: @Shinichi-kun I voted for Penta because if the claim is true that is the correct vote and if it's not a CC will come down and make it moot. Objectively that was the correct play. Easy to fake as scum because it's not a read you have to make, but objectively the right play unless you have ironclad proof Claire is lying. Town should never lynch a PR without overwhelming proof of a lie. Problem is u didnt even try to think or look into it. Your just like yep penta is scum down with penta burn the witch kind of crap. And ever since Claire unclaimed I've been completely off it. I'm a mechanical player when I'm given a mechanical dichotomy that's how I'll react and how I'll expect everyone to react. |
Mar 25, 2017 6:50 PM
#1520
Grapefruit21 said: I want more clarity on Crossbell's actual play this game and not just his emotional reactions to the things that have happened.logic340 said: Grapefruit21 said: Managed to squeeze in time for the Cross read. First here are all the emotional tell posts. These are not a great thing to base on because they can be faked but they are a good start. Crossbell said: Rosie, if you're a town power role, you need to show up and claim. Crossbell said: ARE YOU KIDDING ME. Crossbell said: I TELL ROSIE TO CLAIM IF SHE IS A POWER ROLE SO CAN MOVE OFF OF HER DOESN'T I ASK GRR TO BE VIGGED CAN'T NOW Are you kidding me? Crossbell said: Crossbell said: Rosie, if you're a town power role, you need to show up and claim. Crossbell said: Rosie, if you're a town power role, you need to show up and claim. Crossbell said: Rosie, if you're a town power role, you need to show up and claim. Crossbell said: Rosie, if you're a town power role, you need to show up and claim. Crossbell said: Rosie, if you're a town power role, you need to show up and claim. Crossbell said: Rosie, if you're a town power role, you need to show up and claim. Crossbell said: Rosie, if you're a town power role, you need to show up and claim. Crossbell said: Rosie, if you're a town power role, you need to show up and claim. Cross is good, but I don't think he fakes that level of emotion as scum, and then immdieately follow by pointing to the wagon as the place to look. Crossbell said: Oyasumi_Rosie (6) RE1031, Grapefruit21, Crossbell, Logic340, amberwillow, Grrr Scum on this wagon for sure. [RE, amber, grr] <- somewhere in there. The continued fall out in 805 through 833 comes across as continued townie frustration. There are some minor red flags with him picking out amber, RE, and grrr as the likely scum targets but it tracks with his read wall and it doesn't worry me for now. I also like that I mind melded on Cross with regards to the Cop Claim. It's an indicator I like without being completely reliant on. And his reaction to the unclaim had the same genuine frustration as earlier to it here. Crossbell said: Just that, if you're town here, WHY THE HECK WOULD FALSECLAIM A GUILTY CHECK ON DAY 2. So TLDR Cross' emotion has felt genuine. I had a few mind meld moments including for the most part a D1 read list, and I think that I can read scum Cross and I'm not worried about getting fooled late game. A few things first you telling me to set emotional tells aside this game is really funny. Gave me a very good laugh. Second what do you want more clarity on? Yes it's a read based on emotion but I attempted to make it easy to follow and straight forward. I believe my only other gut reads are sollux and followind. And Shinichi is making me feel good about the first of those. @Shinichi-kun I voted for Penta because if the claim is true that is the correct vote and if it's not a CC will come down and make it moot. Objectively that was the correct play. Easy to fake as scum because it's not a read you have to make, but objectively the right play unless you have ironclad proof Claire is lying. Town should never lynch a PR without overwhelming proof of a lie. |
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Mar 25, 2017 6:54 PM
#1521
Grapefruit21 said: Shinichi-Kun said: Grapefruit21 said: @Shinichi-kun I voted for Penta because if the claim is true that is the correct vote and if it's not a CC will come down and make it moot. Objectively that was the correct play. Easy to fake as scum because it's not a read you have to make, but objectively the right play unless you have ironclad proof Claire is lying. Town should never lynch a PR without overwhelming proof of a lie. Problem is u didnt even try to think or look into it. Your just like yep penta is scum down with penta burn the witch kind of crap. And ever since Claire unclaimed I've been completely off it. I'm a mechanical player when I'm given a mechanical dichotomy that's how I'll react and how I'll expect everyone to react. thats the thing u sheeped it pretty hard even dont logic told u it could be fake and u tried to argue with him. Not that she lied it looks really bad for u man. I think claire is town and ur scum atleast for now. Well i should say denja |
Mar 25, 2017 6:57 PM
#1522
logic340 said: Grapefruit21 said: I want more clarity on Crossbell's actual play this game and not just his emotional reactions to the things that have happened.logic340 said: Grapefruit21 said: Managed to squeeze in time for the Cross read. First here are all the emotional tell posts. These are not a great thing to base on because they can be faked but they are a good start. Crossbell said: Rosie, if you're a town power role, you need to show up and claim. Crossbell said: ARE YOU KIDDING ME. Crossbell said: I TELL ROSIE TO CLAIM IF SHE IS A POWER ROLE SO CAN MOVE OFF OF HER DOESN'T I ASK GRR TO BE VIGGED CAN'T NOW Are you kidding me? Crossbell said: Crossbell said: Rosie, if you're a town power role, you need to show up and claim. Crossbell said: Rosie, if you're a town power role, you need to show up and claim. Crossbell said: Rosie, if you're a town power role, you need to show up and claim. Crossbell said: Rosie, if you're a town power role, you need to show up and claim. Crossbell said: Rosie, if you're a town power role, you need to show up and claim. Crossbell said: Rosie, if you're a town power role, you need to show up and claim. Crossbell said: Rosie, if you're a town power role, you need to show up and claim. Crossbell said: Rosie, if you're a town power role, you need to show up and claim. Cross is good, but I don't think he fakes that level of emotion as scum, and then immdieately follow by pointing to the wagon as the place to look. Crossbell said: Oyasumi_Rosie (6) RE1031, Grapefruit21, Crossbell, Logic340, amberwillow, Grrr Scum on this wagon for sure. [RE, amber, grr] <- somewhere in there. The continued fall out in 805 through 833 comes across as continued townie frustration. There are some minor red flags with him picking out amber, RE, and grrr as the likely scum targets but it tracks with his read wall and it doesn't worry me for now. I also like that I mind melded on Cross with regards to the Cop Claim. It's an indicator I like without being completely reliant on. And his reaction to the unclaim had the same genuine frustration as earlier to it here. Crossbell said: Just that, if you're town here, WHY THE HECK WOULD FALSECLAIM A GUILTY CHECK ON DAY 2. So TLDR Cross' emotion has felt genuine. I had a few mind meld moments including for the most part a D1 read list, and I think that I can read scum Cross and I'm not worried about getting fooled late game. A few things first you telling me to set emotional tells aside this game is really funny. Gave me a very good laugh. Second what do you want more clarity on? Yes it's a read based on emotion but I attempted to make it easy to follow and straight forward. I believe my only other gut reads are sollux and followind. And Shinichi is making me feel good about the first of those. @Shinichi-kun I voted for Penta because if the claim is true that is the correct vote and if it's not a CC will come down and make it moot. Objectively that was the correct play. Easy to fake as scum because it's not a read you have to make, but objectively the right play unless you have ironclad proof Claire is lying. Town should never lynch a PR without overwhelming proof of a lie. Then when Crossbell actually does thoroughly catch up on the game I'll read his play. Till then I'll happily read him based on emotion. (And I totally did discuss his gameplay saying I had mindmeld moments on his D1 read list and reasoning, except for his town read on you. Also we had a mind meld reaction to the Claire claim, which could come from either but his emotional response to the unclaim felt very townie to me.) |
Mar 25, 2017 7:00 PM
#1523
Grapefruit21 said: I believe my only other gut reads are sollux and followind. And Shinichi is making me feel good about the first of those. Grapefruit21 said: look at all this got read but Sollux is the only one. grrr and Claire gut level? What does that even mean?followind said: Grapefruit21 said: @followind I had a D1 gut read on you. Just a visceral reaction to your wordings that said scum to me. Not enough to go on. @_Claire_ :( If it's not fun then don't play. Games should be fun Soo.. Cause of gut feeling.. I can't really argue with it.. Do you have any other reads besides me? I think grrr is town on a gut level. I think Claire is town on a gut level. Cross isn't playing to his scum meta atm. Penta feels town, but is inside scum meta. Sollux I have another gut read on. I think amber is behaviorally town this game. Claire Grrrr Sollux Followind That's a lot of gut level reads at this stage ibn the game for you Grapefruit. |
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Mar 25, 2017 7:00 PM
#1524
Shinichi-Kun said: Grapefruit21 said: Shinichi-Kun said: Grapefruit21 said: @Shinichi-kun I voted for Penta because if the claim is true that is the correct vote and if it's not a CC will come down and make it moot. Objectively that was the correct play. Easy to fake as scum because it's not a read you have to make, but objectively the right play unless you have ironclad proof Claire is lying. Town should never lynch a PR without overwhelming proof of a lie. Problem is u didnt even try to think or look into it. Your just like yep penta is scum down with penta burn the witch kind of crap. And ever since Claire unclaimed I've been completely off it. I'm a mechanical player when I'm given a mechanical dichotomy that's how I'll react and how I'll expect everyone to react. thats the thing u sheeped it pretty hard even dont logic told u it could be fake and u tried to argue with him. Not that she lied it looks really bad for u man. I think claire is town and ur scum atleast for now. Well i should say denja logic said it could be fake because Claire/DenjaX was scum. My argument stemmed from disagreeing with Penta and logic's strong scum reads on Claire/Denja. I town read Claire's emotion and argued that point over and over and over again. |
Mar 25, 2017 7:05 PM
#1525
Grapefruit21 said: Emotions can be faked, I'm not willing to place my bets on just that I need more. I have given him the benefit of the doubt D1 but his "I'm catching up post" are plentiful and I need more content.logic340 said: Grapefruit21 said: logic340 said: Grapefruit21 said: Managed to squeeze in time for the Cross read. First here are all the emotional tell posts. These are not a great thing to base on because they can be faked but they are a good start. Crossbell said: Rosie, if you're a town power role, you need to show up and claim. Crossbell said: ARE YOU KIDDING ME. Crossbell said: I TELL ROSIE TO CLAIM IF SHE IS A POWER ROLE SO CAN MOVE OFF OF HER DOESN'T I ASK GRR TO BE VIGGED CAN'T NOW Are you kidding me? Crossbell said: Crossbell said: Rosie, if you're a town power role, you need to show up and claim. Crossbell said: Rosie, if you're a town power role, you need to show up and claim. Crossbell said: Rosie, if you're a town power role, you need to show up and claim. Crossbell said: Rosie, if you're a town power role, you need to show up and claim. Crossbell said: Rosie, if you're a town power role, you need to show up and claim. Crossbell said: Rosie, if you're a town power role, you need to show up and claim. Crossbell said: Rosie, if you're a town power role, you need to show up and claim. Crossbell said: Rosie, if you're a town power role, you need to show up and claim. Cross is good, but I don't think he fakes that level of emotion as scum, and then immdieately follow by pointing to the wagon as the place to look. Crossbell said: Oyasumi_Rosie (6) RE1031, Grapefruit21, Crossbell, Logic340, amberwillow, Grrr Scum on this wagon for sure. [RE, amber, grr] <- somewhere in there. The continued fall out in 805 through 833 comes across as continued townie frustration. There are some minor red flags with him picking out amber, RE, and grrr as the likely scum targets but it tracks with his read wall and it doesn't worry me for now. I also like that I mind melded on Cross with regards to the Cop Claim. It's an indicator I like without being completely reliant on. And his reaction to the unclaim had the same genuine frustration as earlier to it here. Crossbell said: Just that, if you're town here, WHY THE HECK WOULD FALSECLAIM A GUILTY CHECK ON DAY 2. So TLDR Cross' emotion has felt genuine. I had a few mind meld moments including for the most part a D1 read list, and I think that I can read scum Cross and I'm not worried about getting fooled late game. A few things first you telling me to set emotional tells aside this game is really funny. Gave me a very good laugh. Second what do you want more clarity on? Yes it's a read based on emotion but I attempted to make it easy to follow and straight forward. I believe my only other gut reads are sollux and followind. And Shinichi is making me feel good about the first of those. @Shinichi-kun I voted for Penta because if the claim is true that is the correct vote and if it's not a CC will come down and make it moot. Objectively that was the correct play. Easy to fake as scum because it's not a read you have to make, but objectively the right play unless you have ironclad proof Claire is lying. Town should never lynch a PR without overwhelming proof of a lie. Then when Crossbell actually does thoroughly catch up on the game I'll read his play. Till then I'll happily read him based on emotion. (And I totally did discuss his gameplay saying I had mindmeld moments on his D1 read list and reasoning, except for his town read on you. Also we had a mind meld reaction to the Claire claim, which could come from either but his emotional response to the unclaim felt very townie to me.) |
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Mar 25, 2017 7:07 PM
#1526
Grapefruit21 said: Since when do we put more stuck in emotions than behavior? You even said her play makes her hard to defend yet you did it so willingly due to a emotional read? Take the emotion out of it what are you left with?Shinichi-Kun said: Grapefruit21 said: Shinichi-Kun said: Grapefruit21 said: @Shinichi-kun I voted for Penta because if the claim is true that is the correct vote and if it's not a CC will come down and make it moot. Objectively that was the correct play. Easy to fake as scum because it's not a read you have to make, but objectively the right play unless you have ironclad proof Claire is lying. Town should never lynch a PR without overwhelming proof of a lie. Problem is u didnt even try to think or look into it. Your just like yep penta is scum down with penta burn the witch kind of crap. And ever since Claire unclaimed I've been completely off it. I'm a mechanical player when I'm given a mechanical dichotomy that's how I'll react and how I'll expect everyone to react. thats the thing u sheeped it pretty hard even dont logic told u it could be fake and u tried to argue with him. Not that she lied it looks really bad for u man. I think claire is town and ur scum atleast for now. Well i should say denja logic said it could be fake because Claire/DenjaX was scum. My argument stemmed from disagreeing with Penta and logic's strong scum reads on Claire/Denja. I town read Claire's emotion and argued that point over and over and over again. |
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Mar 25, 2017 7:11 PM
#1527
logic340 said: Grapefruit21 said: Emotions can be faked, I'm not willing to place my bets on just that I need more. I have given him the benefit of the doubt D1 but his "I'm catching up post" are plentiful and I need more content.logic340 said: Grapefruit21 said: I want more clarity on Crossbell's actual play this game and not just his emotional reactions to the things that have happened.logic340 said: Grapefruit21 said: Managed to squeeze in time for the Cross read. First here are all the emotional tell posts. These are not a great thing to base on because they can be faked but they are a good start. Crossbell said: Rosie, if you're a town power role, you need to show up and claim. Crossbell said: ARE YOU KIDDING ME. Crossbell said: I TELL ROSIE TO CLAIM IF SHE IS A POWER ROLE SO CAN MOVE OFF OF HER DOESN'T I ASK GRR TO BE VIGGED CAN'T NOW Are you kidding me? Crossbell said: Crossbell said: Rosie, if you're a town power role, you need to show up and claim. Crossbell said: Rosie, if you're a town power role, you need to show up and claim. Crossbell said: Rosie, if you're a town power role, you need to show up and claim. Crossbell said: Rosie, if you're a town power role, you need to show up and claim. Crossbell said: Rosie, if you're a town power role, you need to show up and claim. Crossbell said: Rosie, if you're a town power role, you need to show up and claim. Crossbell said: Rosie, if you're a town power role, you need to show up and claim. Crossbell said: Rosie, if you're a town power role, you need to show up and claim. Cross is good, but I don't think he fakes that level of emotion as scum, and then immdieately follow by pointing to the wagon as the place to look. Crossbell said: Oyasumi_Rosie (6) RE1031, Grapefruit21, Crossbell, Logic340, amberwillow, Grrr Scum on this wagon for sure. [RE, amber, grr] <- somewhere in there. The continued fall out in 805 through 833 comes across as continued townie frustration. There are some minor red flags with him picking out amber, RE, and grrr as the likely scum targets but it tracks with his read wall and it doesn't worry me for now. I also like that I mind melded on Cross with regards to the Cop Claim. It's an indicator I like without being completely reliant on. And his reaction to the unclaim had the same genuine frustration as earlier to it here. Crossbell said: Just that, if you're town here, WHY THE HECK WOULD FALSECLAIM A GUILTY CHECK ON DAY 2. So TLDR Cross' emotion has felt genuine. I had a few mind meld moments including for the most part a D1 read list, and I think that I can read scum Cross and I'm not worried about getting fooled late game. A few things first you telling me to set emotional tells aside this game is really funny. Gave me a very good laugh. Second what do you want more clarity on? Yes it's a read based on emotion but I attempted to make it easy to follow and straight forward. I believe my only other gut reads are sollux and followind. And Shinichi is making me feel good about the first of those. @Shinichi-kun I voted for Penta because if the claim is true that is the correct vote and if it's not a CC will come down and make it moot. Objectively that was the correct play. Easy to fake as scum because it's not a read you have to make, but objectively the right play unless you have ironclad proof Claire is lying. Town should never lynch a PR without overwhelming proof of a lie. Then when Crossbell actually does thoroughly catch up on the game I'll read his play. Till then I'll happily read him based on emotion. (And I totally did discuss his gameplay saying I had mindmeld moments on his D1 read list and reasoning, except for his town read on you. Also we had a mind meld reaction to the Claire claim, which could come from either but his emotional response to the unclaim felt very townie to me.) Emotions are easily faked a good example is cp in both his recent games during the last minute hammers he freaked out but guess what he didnt really care he was town. Penta has done the same shit before lol. |
Mar 25, 2017 7:19 PM
#1528
Mar 25, 2017 7:22 PM
#1529
DenjaX said: I'm looking at his interactions with follow. I want to see how serious they both are about these accusations they have for one another.I am not liking this Crusade against Grape. I just can't find any links on who might be his teammate be if he was scum. |
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Mar 25, 2017 7:51 PM
#1530
| I got to get my Rosie on for a second...bear with me here... So what if....there are no bad kitties? |
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Mar 25, 2017 8:27 PM
#1531
logic340 said: I got to get my Rosie on for a second...bear with me here... So what if....there are no bad kitties? just stop lol |
Mar 25, 2017 9:31 PM
#1532
DenjaX said: If I declare a Gladiator duel right now, would anyone comply to it? I believe I found scum and I want to go all-in on this one. Of course you guys can lynch me first but if I flip town can I trust any one of you to follow-up on my target? @Shinichi-kun @Crossbell @Grapefruit21 @Lam-B @amberwillow @followind @PentaFlare @grrr @RE1031 I haven't seen many of you weigh on on this yet. What are your thoughts? @Crossbell I have a bunch of questions for you that have gone unanswered. If I have time I'll put them all together in one post. @Lam-B where are you? I hope everything is alright. |
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Mar 25, 2017 9:36 PM
#1533
| I'm going to bed I.hope to see a fair ameowntt of new posts when I wake up Goodnight every kitty |
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Mar 25, 2017 9:41 PM
#1534
logic340 said: I got to get my Rosie on for a second...bear with me here... So what if....there are no bad kitties? Conspiracy theory I like that |
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Mar 25, 2017 10:06 PM
#1535
| Nobody else wants to comment on logic dismissing my use of emotion when that's what the majority of his D1 cases were built on? Or the fact that he's clearly not reading my posts when he says I've given no behavioral evidence for my Cross read (emotional outweighs it, but it's there)? Or that he's still not reading my posts when he thinks I'm still calling followind scum (also any answer on if followind would be bold enough to scum read sollux for acting like him would be appreciated)? As for my Cross read, it's not set in stone but presuming Cross actually starts playing I'm likely to continue town reading him. From his scum games I've read he's not the sort to heavily ham up those parts of the game. Also as has been pointed out Lam-b has done jack all of late and I was leaning too much on that early good impression. |
Mar 25, 2017 10:13 PM
#1536
Grapefruit21 said: Nobody else wants to comment on logic dismissing my use of emotion when that's what the majority of his D1 cases were built on? Or the fact that he's clearly not reading my posts when he says I've given no behavioral evidence for my Cross read (emotional outweighs it, but it's there)? Or that he's still not reading my posts when he thinks I'm still calling followind scum (also any answer on if followind would be bold enough to scum read sollux for acting like him would be appreciated)? As for my Cross read, it's not set in stone but presuming Cross actually starts playing I'm likely to continue town reading him. From his scum games I've read he's not the sort to heavily ham up those parts of the game. Also as has been pointed out Lam-b has done jack all of late and I was leaning too much on that early good impression. Lam-B hasn't even been online. I'm assuming something came up IRL. |
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Mar 25, 2017 10:14 PM
#1537
| @PentaFlare Good to know. How do you check? Profiles say so I guess? |
Mar 25, 2017 10:16 PM
#1538
Yeah. If you check their profile it will say the last time they were online under their profile picture. |
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Mar 25, 2017 10:17 PM
#1539
Shinichi-Kun said: Grapefruit21 said: Shinichi-Kun said: Grapefruit21 said: @Shinichi-kun I voted for Penta because if the claim is true that is the correct vote and if it's not a CC will come down and make it moot. Objectively that was the correct play. Easy to fake as scum because it's not a read you have to make, but objectively the right play unless you have ironclad proof Claire is lying. Town should never lynch a PR without overwhelming proof of a lie. Problem is u didnt even try to think or look into it. Your just like yep penta is scum down with penta burn the witch kind of crap. And ever since Claire unclaimed I've been completely off it. I'm a mechanical player when I'm given a mechanical dichotomy that's how I'll react and how I'll expect everyone to react. thats the thing u sheeped it pretty hard even dont logic told u it could be fake and u tried to argue with him. Not that she lied it looks really bad for u man. I think claire is town and ur scum atleast for now. Well i should say denja Why just me? I'm not the only one who ran with it? I personally think its a good look and part of why I'm town reading Cross (for doing the same thing). |
Mar 25, 2017 10:19 PM
#1540
| @PentaFlare Thanks! And I did leave out a key piece of my town Cross read. He bristled and pushed back at me for town reading him. At this stage of the game as scum I think he'd take the read and move on. Earlier I can see him doing it as both alignments, but at this stage of the game I don't think Cross feels confident enough as scum to rock the boat like that. |
Mar 25, 2017 11:27 PM
#1541
Lam-B said: Sollux16 said: CorruptedPurity said: Ok @Sollux16, you can talk to me to establish something. What are your thoughts on Grape's "you have been warned" post and logic's train? I think Grape's comment actually makes sense. There's been quite a bit of lurking in games I've been in (I'm no exception) and it obviously hasn't helped anyone but maf. Pressuring people to get them to have some input will end up being our friend in the end if you ask me. As far as the Logic train goes, I think everyone is just ready for Logic to roll scum already XD Mmmmm I've only been back for a couple of games as of late, but it has been pretty digusting at times, even If I'm part of the problems come the weekend when I'm typically away for 2 and a half days or so at a time. Simple frustration of watching 3 or so big-mouths run the entire game when most or all of them are town gets a bit old when the majority of players are too scared to hit inactive slots. Reading rvs again, found this post. It's true again. I post too much it's true. You made me laugh Lam-b |
Mar 25, 2017 11:35 PM
#1542
CorruptedPurity said: Crossbell said: Grape: Is there a reason why you moved your vote onto RE1031 instead of letting the RVS-logic wagon get to five votes? We have to take any chance of wagon analysis we have, even if it's in RVS. CorruptedPurity said: Why so fiesty @grapefruit21? Also, I don't participate in RVS. Will leave comments and analysis mid-RVS though. Why do you not participate in RVS? CorruptedPurity said: Interesting... My thoughts are that even though Grape brings up a good point, it is not like him to make such a post. He is usually more reserved on the first day and gets more revved up the longer the game goes. He has a snowball-y playstyle and I find it unusual that he's this fiesty this early in the game. Can you bring up games where you think that Grape has a "snowball-y" playstyle? That's not really how I would classify Grape, so interested in your thought process here. Grapefruit said: First town lean of the game to Sollux! I like CP so far this game; reminds me of how I played in Final Fantasy Mafia with all the spice. I like spicy reads. Honestly never liked the idea of RVS. Besides, others will do the poking, I can analyse from that, I also have a policy of not voting unless I can support it with good evidence. Check out my other recent games... Regarding Grape, I have played 2 games with him and both games gave me a snowball-y feel. Firstly, The Twins Mafia. He didn't do anything of importance of the first day, but on the second day, he started tunneling on RE like nobody's business and went full ham. He exploded more on posts but he got lynched cause he just seemed scummy due to the way he tunneled. Secondly and more recently, the Alcatraz mafia, still ongoing btw so you can check it out. The first day people are lynching our beautiful host Kit for no reason, he didn't seem to be too bothered. The entire first day he had no impact or presence, he was almost a null-factor. Come day 2, he tunneled crazy into Suzune for mechanical difference in views (basically how miller claim should be treated). He again exploded alot with suzu on day 2. On day 3, he started tunneling onto Logic instead when suzu died. He gave long detailed posts about him and a few of his other scum-reads. Come day 4, he literally analysed every player and their potential to be scum. He even created a scenario where every town-read is secretly scum. Then he went back to tunneling on logic but he also did in-depth analysis of alot of other players again for every post they made. So when he started today with a strong stage presence, I wondered why. Why would anyone want stage presence when they usually don't? Maybe so it's easier to manipulate and pocket others? So that their points seem more valid and can be heard better? Also, I've heard alot about you Crossbell, it's an honor playing with you. Have a good game! Logic this is the meta read you keep coming back to. You know from Harhui, FT, and FF that I start fast. The warning post itself was out of character, but I am not afraid to get into the mix from D1. For a recent example see LQ (which is why my twins activity was so crap. Hardly read it because I was going crazy in my other game. |
Mar 26, 2017 2:04 AM
#1543
DenjaX said: If I declare a Gladiator duel right now, would anyone comply to it? I believe I found scum and I want to go all-in on this one. Of course you guys can lynch me first but if I flip town can I trust any one of you to follow-up on my target? EDIT: Added mentions @Sollux16 @Crossbell @RE1031 @Logic340 @Grapefruit21 @Lam-B @amberwillow @followind @PentaFlare @grrr I'll happily comply |
Mar 26, 2017 2:06 AM
#1544
logic340 said: I'll answer this later...followind said: -What gambit would you be speaking of?logic340 said: Thoughts on the Claire situation: -during real time Penta feels town, the way he handled that whole situation feels town to me. -if Penta is scum was this the best course of action given the circumstances that he would know who made the night kill? -I have been scum readingClaire hard but if Claire/Penra is town/town what approach would mafia take in this situation? I honestly feel they stay out of it or take the position that Crossbell and Grapefruit did. -if you think I'm mafia and slipped because I know who made the NK does that make Penta my teammate? -My top scum read has been replaced by "best town" this game is getting crazy as hell. Very interested in seeing how things go with Denja. about this.. -If Penta was scum, he prob wouldn't have performed the gambit he did on D1 since it's risky. Most people would prob check him or Claire IMO -If Claire and Penta is T and T, I feel mafia will just sit in the backseat and enjoy town self destuctiong.. -I didn't notice this but I don't think so since your interaction with him doesn't convinced my you're aligned -This is quiet interesting, who would you say are the players who took a back seat? -Follow up question: Do you think Claire and I are aligned? If I you think I am mafia then why didn't I just take a back seat like you said you would expect mafia to in point 2? |
Mar 26, 2017 2:21 AM
#1545
logic340 said: This is slightly wrong. The main reason I voted Rosie was because I saw a tie (u just voted few seconds before me) and I myself had some suspicions about her, u can clearly see that I questioned her too.DenjaX said: You're on page 10 you are about to get to all of that. Claire suggested moving to grrr and followind followed along (right after saying he should be choosing between Grape and CP). CP also moved to grrr which Claire wasn't a huge fan of and moved back to CP (#616). The Vote Count quoted below reflects all those moves.logic340 said: I was hell-bent on Claire's Lynch but now she's been replaced by the best town so I have things to consider. We're going to take our time and we're going to work through this together because I know how we do when we're both town. Sadly I cannot give you the benefit of the doubt at the moment. As far as a plan goes, I read the thread and try to determine who scum is, I leave the strategies and big plays to you. If you flip town then I'd first look at Penta. Seeing as Claire never really made it clear if she scum read Penta and was trying to catch him or just using his as means to gain reactions. After that I'd look over your train and see who looks suspect in it. You said you could tell I was scum in Alcatraz what are your thoughts here so far? I am really curious how the train on CP suddenly diverts to Oyasumi_Rosie. I want to check it out first. You can provide your insights of that if you want because I need to get the grasp of the timeline. xDD CorruptedPurity (3) Grapefruit21, PentaFlare, _Claire_ Grrr (2) followind, CorruptedPurity Logic340 (2) Crossbell, Grrr RE1031 (1) Lam-B PentaFlare (1) Sollux16 Oyasumi_Rosie (1) RE1031 _Claire_ (1) Logic340 Not Voting Oyasumi_Rosie, amberwillow Grrr came through and said CP was town for the 12345 post somewhere Crossbell catches up and votes for Claire with me Grapefruit keep pushing Purity's lynch moving his case to the recent page #708 Grapefruit calls for people to join a main wagon or make a case for their vote. Says Rosie not voting is unacceptable. willow finally votes Purity after mulling over CP and Grape Grape jumps to Rosie due to her top 3 town being weird Cross jumps to Rosie I see a tie between CP and Rosie, I vote Rosie to break tie Willow votes Rosie might have to trust cross reputation Cross begs Rosie to claim grrr pitches Claire as an alternative votes Rosie Phase ended in Rosies death. Hope this helps you some |
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Mar 26, 2017 2:47 AM
#1546
followind said: logic340 said: I'll answer this later...followind said: logic340 said: Thoughts on the Claire situation: -during real time Penta feels town, the way he handled that whole situation feels town to me. -if Penta is scum was this the best course of action given the circumstances that he would know who made the night kill? -I have been scum readingClaire hard but if Claire/Penra is town/town what approach would mafia take in this situation? I honestly feel they stay out of it or take the position that Crossbell and Grapefruit did. -if you think I'm mafia and slipped because I know who made the NK does that make Penta my teammate? -My top scum read has been replaced by "best town" this game is getting crazy as hell. Very interested in seeing how things go with Denja. about this.. -If Penta was scum, he prob wouldn't have performed the gambit he did on D1 since it's risky. Most people would prob check him or Claire IMO -If Claire and Penta is T and T, I feel mafia will just sit in the backseat and enjoy town self destuctiong.. -I didn't notice this but I don't think so since your interaction with him doesn't convinced my you're aligned -This is quiet interesting, who would you say are the players who took a back seat? -Follow up question: Do you think Claire and I are aligned? If I you think I am mafia then why didn't I just take a back seat like you said you would expect mafia to in point 2? - I think Penta was trying to get reactions but I feel like he's hinting so I feel it's a gambit.. -Sollux, RE, Amber I don't see them post a lot but it might be caused of the sea of posts that keep coming from you,claire, grape, penta and CP on D1 -I don't think you two are aligned, I said it hypothetically.. Also it's my personal opinion, people have different mind set and I can't say that everyone would do it |
Mar 26, 2017 2:49 AM
#1548
followind said: I almost forgot about Cross too ==followind said: logic340 said: followind said: -What gambit would you be speaking of?logic340 said: Thoughts on the Claire situation: -during real time Penta feels town, the way he handled that whole situation feels town to me. -if Penta is scum was this the best course of action given the circumstances that he would know who made the night kill? -I have been scum readingClaire hard but if Claire/Penra is town/town what approach would mafia take in this situation? I honestly feel they stay out of it or take the position that Crossbell and Grapefruit did. -if you think I'm mafia and slipped because I know who made the NK does that make Penta my teammate? -My top scum read has been replaced by "best town" this game is getting crazy as hell. Very interested in seeing how things go with Denja. about this.. -If Penta was scum, he prob wouldn't have performed the gambit he did on D1 since it's risky. Most people would prob check him or Claire IMO -If Claire and Penta is T and T, I feel mafia will just sit in the backseat and enjoy town self destuctiong.. -I didn't notice this but I don't think so since your interaction with him doesn't convinced my you're aligned -This is quiet interesting, who would you say are the players who took a back seat? -Follow up question: Do you think Claire and I are aligned? If I you think I am mafia then why didn't I just take a back seat like you said you would expect mafia to in point 2? - I think Penta was trying to get reactions but I feel like he's hinting so I feel it's a gambit.. -Sollux, RE, Amber I don't see them post a lot but it might be caused of the sea of posts that keep coming from you,claire, grape, penta and CP on D1 -I don't think you two are aligned, I said it hypothetically.. Also it's my personal opinion, people have different mind set and I can't say that everyone would do it I'm just adding him to my 2nd point, nonetheless I'll include myself |
Mar 26, 2017 3:05 AM
#1549
followind said: Did Shinichi replaced Sollux? Yes he did. And I think you are right that RE and amber don't leave much impression because of the high level of content us. I have no issues with the amount they have posted each. |
Mar 26, 2017 3:16 AM
#1550
PentaFlare said: U are kinda right on this. Because at that time to me it felt like town is going in circles about this CP/Grape situation giving less focus on other people. So after resolving things with RE I wasn't sure what to do and thought about seeing how other people behave.The next thing she does is note how the thread seems to be hitting a wall. The thread is still plenty active and people are posting plenty, so this seems a little odd. What is likely is that after her suspicion of RE didn't hold any merit, she felt that she had hit a wall even if there was still content. Now, this could come from either scum or town, however, I think the way she resolved the issue seems townie. |
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