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Mar 24, 2017 8:26 PM

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🐭 Vote Count 2.5 🐭
Logic340 (2) Grrr, Grapefruit21
DenjaX (1) Logic340
PentaFlare (1) DenjaX
Grrr (1) Sollux16

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Crossbell, RE1031, Lam-B, amberwillow, followind, PentaFlare

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Mar 24, 2017 8:34 PM

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Alright. Who wants to fight me nya~?

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Mar 24, 2017 8:36 PM

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Reread is not quite finished. Got sidetracked. I'm going to sleep now though so that I have a fresh mind when I try to express my thoughts. amber, logic, and grapefruit are not straightforward reads at all.
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Mar 24, 2017 8:38 PM

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PentaFlare said:
Reread is not quite finished. Got sidetracked. I'm going to sleep now though so that I have a fresh mind when I try to express my thoughts. amber, logic, and grapefruit are not straightforward reads at all.
Fite me. We have unfinished business. *cracks paws*

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Mar 24, 2017 8:40 PM

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DenjaX said:
Alright. Who wants to fight me nya~?

A lot of people I would imagine. You're in a tough spot.

So far on day 2, Claire started as the main suspect, fakeclaimed tracker when she was pressured saying that she saw me perform the night kill. Kept pushing to get me lynched because I was obviously lying by claiming VT, then retracted her Tracker claim, claimed VT, and stopped contributing after that. This is what you are coming into.

You can't be expected to explain things Claire has done or said, but since you are in a highly suspicious slot, do you have an idea of how you would go about trying to prove your towniness?
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Mar 24, 2017 8:43 PM

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PentaFlare said:

A lot of people I would imagine. You're in a tough spot.

So far on day 2, Claire started as the main suspect, fakeclaimed tracker when she was pressured saying that she saw me perform the night kill. Kept pushing to get me lynched because I was obviously lying by claiming VT, then retracted her Tracker claim, claimed VT, and stopped contributing after that. This is what you are coming into.

You can't be expected to explain things Claire has done or said, but since you are in a highly suspicious slot, do you have an idea of how you would go about trying to prove your towniness?
I don't care if I get lynched today. It is true that I am vanilla townie so it is not kind of a big deal if I die. I requested 24 hours extension as an excuse for me to get my job done since I somewhat followed the game so I get the gist of what was going on. The extended time should be more than enough.

How about you? You are not going to be missing for whole 1 day and 17 hours right? You are involved in my case so I want you there to answer some of my questions. But for now, allow me to catch up. xDD

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Mar 24, 2017 8:46 PM

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DenjaX said:
PentaFlare said:

A lot of people I would imagine. You're in a tough spot.

So far on day 2, Claire started as the main suspect, fakeclaimed tracker when she was pressured saying that she saw me perform the night kill. Kept pushing to get me lynched because I was obviously lying by claiming VT, then retracted her Tracker claim, claimed VT, and stopped contributing after that. This is what you are coming into.

You can't be expected to explain things Claire has done or said, but since you are in a highly suspicious slot, do you have an idea of how you would go about trying to prove your towniness?
I don't care if I get lynched today. It is true that I am vanilla townie so it is not kind of a big deal if I die. I requested 24 hours extension as an excuse for me to get my job done since I somewhat followed the game so I get the gist of what was going on. The extended time should be more than enough.

How about you? You are not going to be missing for whole 1 day and 17 hours right? You are involved in my case so I want you there to answer some of my questions. But for now, allow me to catch up. xDD

Of course I'll be here and happy to answer questions. However, I'll be even happier to answer questions after a good sleep, so I'll likely head off to bed and answer anything you leave for me when I wake up.
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Mar 24, 2017 9:00 PM

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@logic340 I would like your input if I flip town, what would you do next?

If you ever consider that I would flip town, have you considered the possibility of another strategy to play with using my situation? If you think I am scum, you know I would not be the only scum in this roster right? I want you to think about the long term strategy instead of short term goal (just lynching 1 scummy player).

I know I have a plan in mind but I want to know first if you are just gonna be hellbent on my lynch this phase regardless on what I will say.

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Mar 24, 2017 9:10 PM

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@amberwillow are you potato?

Are you gon fite me too?

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Mar 24, 2017 9:22 PM

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So I did a quick skim on Day 2 shenanigans and I must say that Cop most likely investigated me and is probably defending me right now.

Claire was very scummy day 1 so why wouldn't Cop investigate her? If Penta is really vanilla townie, then mafia most likely roleblocked him that night since Penta was pulling this "hypothetical cop" question and they might think Penta was reversirino psychologireeno-ing him so their move was pointless. I am going to ask the host if roleblocked vanilla townie can get a roleblock PM.

In case the Real cop isn't doing anything for my sake, I actually want them to investigate the one who tried to defend me. It could be white knighting. Wouldn't be surprised.

I am going to read in-depth now.

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Mar 24, 2017 9:24 PM

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Well time to count my votes like I'm the whip.

@followind you don't think logic is scum, so where are you looking today? Denjax? Can you give me a list of 3 you aren't willing to lynch today?

@grrr who other than logic are you willing to lynch today? Who is your top town read?

@logic340 let's pretend Denjax comes in and dazzles us with his towniness who are you looking at next?

@DenjaX good luck catching up with all this mess. Curious for your thoughts on Sollux, Followind, Amber, and Lam-b.

@Sollux16 I know this game is moving fast and keeping up is hard to keep up with unless you are lucky and have a job that let's you play at work. What are your thoughts on the mess of ClaireDenjaX vs logic vs Me? Also your top town reads would be greatly appreciated.

@RE1031 Top 3 scum reads would be awesome. And what you want to do wrt to DenjaCalire.

@Lam-b I know you're busy but please come back. Hopefully this extension gives you time to come back before phase change. Mainly I want your thoughts on grrr, Penta, Cross, and logic.

@amberwillow keep doing you. Hypothetical time if you couldn't lynch any of myself, logic, or Claire today who do you want to lynch?

@PentaFlare With the way the game just went to crap I think it's time for you to share your notes. Not influencing behaviour is valuable, but the extreme you're taking it to is hurting town.

@Crossbell Even though we shouldn't ignore it ignore Claire and the push surrounding that slot for now. Who should we lynch? Who are your top 3 town reads?
Mar 24, 2017 9:39 PM

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@Grapefruit21 Do you scumread Claire or no? btw I haven't caught up yet. I will get back to you later.

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Mar 24, 2017 9:48 PM

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DenjaX said:
@Grapefruit21 Do you scumread Claire or no? btw I haven't caught up yet. I will get back to you later.

I've swung back and forth but in general no.

She made some scummy posts but I read her obvious emotion as much more likely to show like that as town than scum. Her gambit looks awful but I don't think she guns that hard for CPurity as scum. Too easy to get lynched for when they flip town (in scum Claire worlds).
Mar 24, 2017 10:15 PM

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@Grapefruit21
If there's 3
I would choose logic, Sollux, I don't have a 3rd person that I suspect..
Mar 24, 2017 10:18 PM

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followind said:
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If there's 3
I would choose logic, Sollux, I don't have a 3rd person that I suspect..

That's your suspect list? Why Sollux? I have a town read on him but it's weak. Convince me please.
Mar 24, 2017 10:33 PM

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My head hurts reading the first 11 pages of intense/pointless bickering. I'll go sleep for now.

FOS goes to followind though. Dude is sus af. Backrow seat audience is usually scum.

Actually lemme vote for him for now:

Vote: followind

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Mar 24, 2017 10:45 PM

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Grapefruit21 said:
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If there's 3
I would choose logic, Sollux, I don't have a 3rd person that I suspect..

That's your suspect list? Why Sollux? I have a town read on him but it's weak. Convince me please.

Hmm..
It's weak but it's just how I perceive it..
I don't feel like he's contributing much like me since I'm not contributing much either
Mar 24, 2017 10:46 PM

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logic340 I would like your input if I flip town, what would you do next?

If you ever consider that I would flip town, have you considered the possibility of another strategy to play with using my situation? If you think I am scum, you know I would not be the only scum in this roster right? I want you to think about the long term strategy instead of short term goal (just lynching 1 scummy player).

I know I have a plan in mind but I want to know first if you are just gonna be hellbent on my lynch this phase regardless on what I will say.
Actually, I will ask you the same thing for this @PentaFlare

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followind said:
Grapefruit21 said:

That's your suspect list? Why Sollux? I have a town read on him but it's weak. Convince me please.

Hmm..
It's weak but it's just how I perceive it..
I don't feel like he's contributing much like me since I'm not contributing much either

So there isn't a particular set of posts you'd point to? It's just that he's low content? What makes him different from RE, Lam-b, or Cross who are also on the low end of the post count?

What posts of logic do you find suspect?
Mar 24, 2017 11:02 PM

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Grapefruit21 said:
followind said:

Hmm..
It's weak but it's just how I perceive it..
I don't feel like he's contributing much like me since I'm not contributing much either

So there isn't a particular set of posts you'd point to? It's just that he's low content? What makes him different from RE, Lam-b, or Cross who are also on the low end of the post count?

What posts of logic do you find suspect?

RE, Lam-B and Cross gave me an impression that they actually skimmed through the posts.. But I don't think Sollux doesn't, also I have a gut feeling about him..

I find logic is pushing claire too hard..
It caused claire to break down and be replaced..
I don't see how's that beneficial to town..
Also Logic is also tunneling to hard and really wants to lynch claire.. which makes me think that he wanted to divert the attention and focus on claire who might not be a scum and cause us another mislynch
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followind said:
Grapefruit21 said:

So there isn't a particular set of posts you'd point to? It's just that he's low content? What makes him different from RE, Lam-b, or Cross who are also on the low end of the post count?

What posts of logic do you find suspect?

RE, Lam-B and Cross gave me an impression that they actually skimmed through the posts.. But I don't think Sollux doesn't, also I have a gut feeling about him..

I find logic is pushing claire too hard..
It caused claire to break down and be replaced..
I don't see how's that beneficial to town..
Also Logic is also tunneling to hard and really wants to lynch claire.. which makes me think that he wanted to divert the attention and focus on claire who might not be a scum and cause us another mislynch


If you feel logic is your top scum read (or near it with Sollux) why did you post this:
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PentaFlare said:

No. You aren't crazy. logic has seemed off to me since day 1. The feeling has come and gone as there have been some quite townie posts of theirs and other times where they seem quite scummy. I can't get a clear idea in my head right now regarding logic and need a thorough reread.

I feel the same way..
In a way I feel he's scum but something tells me his not..

3 hours ago?

Edit: And what is or was telling you he wasn't scum?
Mar 24, 2017 11:44 PM

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Gonna go ahead and catch up on this game tomorrow.

Had a fun day of hedonism to make up for the week.
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Sollux16 has requested replacement. They will still be allowed to post until a replacement is found
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Sorry friends, my schedule just isn't working for me to play this one. :( I'll try again some other time, but I'll make sure my schedule is actually fairly clear when that time comes. I look forward to playing with you all again in the (hopefully near) future. Maybe then I'll actually be able to show you all what I'm really made of instead of just being here off and on >:D
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@Sollux16 looking forward to the next time!

@AnyoneWhoHappensToBeReading Thoughts on my exchange with Followind above? I have thoughts but want to hear other opinions without biasing them.

Edit: thanks Amber
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_Claire_ said:

uhm.. How about the fact that Logic was so sure I was lying..? It might be indicative, I dont know~
Ok, it took me some time to realise what she meant here my brain didn't work at night lel. So thinking why would she say that with such certainity, I came to think that:
Mafia would know if she was lying if Penta is not scum
If Penta is scum then mafia would be sure that she is not a tracker if Penta wasn't the one to make a kill.
And we know that Logic was super convinced that she was lying. So if Claire/Denja really is a townie then it would put a shade on him. Hmm.. Logic said quite few times that Claire didn't fool him, and he would be 100% sure if he is mafioso and saying what he said, wouldn't make it believable/look like a good town move if he said that he figured it out from reading her? But he actually could have figured it out as townie too? x.x
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grrr said:
First it was me, and now Claire ignores your questions : D .
Not only that, I've never got any reply from this :'<
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#451 is the post I would like to check again later. Her frustration over logic calling others' posts BS looks honest but I am wondering about her point on Logic here. Would be awesome to hear what @PentaFlare @Crossbell @Lam-B and @CorruptedPurity thinks about this situation. (Sorry if u already said something about it, rn I didn't focus on others so I don't remember.)
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PentaFlare said:
@amberwillow is that a good enough idea for you or would you like me to pull up some more of Purity's posts to show where I was seeing that town mindset at work?

(You are the one who originally asked me the question, right?)
No need, but thanks, I am satisfied with this reply.
Yeah, it was me.
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DenjaX said:
@amberwillow are you potato?

Are you gon fite me too?
I may be a Potato Master but I am not a potato itself.
Wasn't really planning to? But I'll consider that.
And welcome to the game o/
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Grapefruit21 said:
@amberwillow keep doing you. Hypothetical time if you couldn't lynch any of myself, logic, or Claire today who do you want to lynch?
How is it a hypothetical qstn. I am not sure yet, I was thinking about analysing Followind's posts today.
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followind said:
Grapefruit21 said:

That's your suspect list? Why Sollux? I have a town read on him but it's weak. Convince me please.

Hmm..
It's weak but it's just how I perceive it..
I don't feel like he's contributing much like me since I'm not contributing much either
So he is scummish, because you are scummish?
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@Sollux16 looking forward to the next time!

@AnyoneWhoHappensToBeReading Thoughts on my exchange with Sollux above? I have thoughts but want to hear other opinions without biasing them.
Which thoughts exactly?
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amberwillow said:
Grapefruit21 said:
@Sollux16 looking forward to the next time!

@AnyoneWhoHappensToBeReading Thoughts on my exchange with Sollux above? I have thoughts but want to hear other opinions without biasing them.
Which thoughts exactly?

Just reactions to what you think about my exchancge with Followind. You even commented on one of them, just not in a particularly enlightening fashion.

As to the other it's a hypothetical because you could lynch ClaireDenja, me, or logic today. I'm asking who outside that trio has piqued your interest for scum?
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amberwillow said:
Which thoughts exactly?

Just reactions to what you think about my exchancge with Followind. You even commented on one of them, just not in a particularly enlightening fashion.

As to the other it's a hypothetical because you could lynch ClaireDenja, me, or logic today. I'm asking who outside that trio has piqued your interest for scum?
Ah, u meant "about Sollux" not "with Sollux"
I already replied to that question.
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Grapefruit21 said:

So there isn't a particular set of posts you'd point to? It's just that he's low content? What makes him different from RE, Lam-b, or Cross who are also on the low end of the post count?

What posts of logic do you find suspect?

RE, Lam-B and Cross gave me an impression that they actually skimmed through the posts.. But I don't think Sollux doesn't, also I have a gut feeling about him..

I find logic is pushing claire too hard..
It caused claire to break down and be replaced..
I don't see how's that beneficial to town..
Also Logic is also tunneling to hard and really wants to lynch claire.. which makes me think that he wanted to divert the attention and focus on claire who might not be a scum and cause us another mislynch
I can see why one would think so about Cross, but I don't get the feel that RE and Lamb are just skimming.
There is no question about Sollux, cuz he said so himself (#1251)
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Honestly, I can't say much about this, cuz I myself have mixed feelings toward Logic, so I don't know what to make of these two Follow's posts rn.

Anything I missed?
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@amberwillow nope you nailed it. I fixed the original post for the typo. Thanks for pointing it out.

You are seeing the same things as me. Followind calling sollux scum for behaving the same as him is so bold if he's scum. Ridiculously bold. It's the first thing that has me made to town read followind. Anyone who has played with him before would he make such a bold play as scum?

Anyway I think it's time for a worldview post! To be continued after I type it out!
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I'm town. Dead townies are town.
Grapefruit21
CorruptedPurity
Oyasumi_Rosie


Cross reads town to me and I think I can read cross. Keep an eye on him going forward though, he struggles massively in the late game as scum, should be easy enough to catch if it happens.

Lam-b read incredibly game solving before dropping off the face of the earth.

Sollux!slot read incredibly purely if uselessly. Including by dead townies. Tone was always on point.


Crossbell
Lam-b
Sollux


RE1031 initially garnered scum reads from me, but their D2 stepped up. Really came across as a voice of reason, and not in a scum sticking their head into earn town credit for a town v town feud sort of way. Plus I loved the way he kept poking at logic for snapping at him for entering that convo. Town lean.

Claire DenjaX I really want to put them at the top of my town pool, but that gambit was pretty bad. I have a lot of confidence in my tonal read on Claire but I need Denja to back it up with actions.

amberwillow I've had a lot of mind meld moments with them. That is usually a really good indicator for me. (well except for Suzu in LQ, but that is a whole different kettle of fish) I also am really a fan of his posts starting around here


RE
ClaireDenjaX
amberwillow


That leaves logic, Penta, grrr, and followind. I don't have strong reads on 3 of those, so we have:

logic340

Which gives us a rainbow wall that looks like the following:
Grapefruit21
CorruptedPurity
Oyasumi_Rosie

Crossbell
Lam-b
Sollux

RE
ClaireDenjaX
amberwillow

Followind
PentaFlare
grrr
logic340

I won't fault anyone for trying to lynch ClaireDenjaX given Claire's play I just ask you to think about what saltiness indicates in terms of alignments. And to keep an eye on Denja.

For my neutral pile I have conflicting reads on each of them.
PentaFlare is an awesome scum player and hasn't done anything outside their range, but they have been overall townie. I think the push and then explanation for the CorruptedPurity was great and matches a lot of my own thinking. I also am somewhat sympathetic to not wanting to share reads that might change because of them. That said withholding reads is a great way to not be held accountable for them. I also think that logic's defense is pretty incriminating for Penta if logic were to flip scum, which is my prevailing world right now. Penta was townie, but not so obv town that people should have been rushing to say we should lynch the claimed town PR before the VT. And Claire wasn't so scummy to have earned that.

Followind has done almost nothing but has the opposite tonal purity to Sollux in my opinion. For some reason a lot of his posts just have a scummy feel I can't shake, but as above the recent Sollux is scummy because they are doing the same thing as me is awesome and I really want to town read him for having the cajones to make that read. Anyone who has played with him before let me know if that's inside his scum range.

grrr comes across as pretty helpful and cogent this game. I'd had a solid town lean here most of the game. However on my last reread I noticed something I can't get off. He could have been white knighting CorruptedPurity. That 12345 read was a reach and I'm not sure if I'm slipping into a pocket with him mind melding with me on logic. That is all tinfoil to be sure, but enough to knock him down a peg or two for me.

Anyway let's lynch one of logic (please!) and DenjaX (please no) and move onto D3. K Tx By

Edit: Fixed color tags and one incomplete sentence probably leaving 5 more behind.
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If I had to color code the neutral reads grrr and Penta would be orange and yellow respectively and Followind would be some sort pukey yellow green.
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@RE1031 Top 3 scum reads would be awesome. And what you want to do wrt to DenjaCalire.

Claire/DenjaX, Penta, and followind

I doubt logic and Claire were a team. HIGHLY DOUBT IT. I also suspect DenjaClaire more because logic was not wrong for not believing Claire. I didn't believe her. I thought it was pretty obvious she was lying. First starting with Penta. Penta made no sense as a choice to investigate. CorruptedPurity made more sense. Grapefruit made more sense. Grrr made more sense. Heck, logic would have made more sense. The way she approached accusing Penta was weird as well. A real cop would not reveal their investigation so blatantly. They'd question the person casually, getting as many reads as possible, and then reveal.
The only thing that threw me off even more than Claire fake claiming investigative PR was her taking it back and claiming VT. Almost believed her. However, like I said, she seemed to already be interested in leaving the game, which made the possibility of a replacement high. Claiming VT right before leaving puts the replacement player in a (slightly) better position.

Now DenjaX has barely commented, BUT
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So I did a quick skim on Day 2 shenanigans and I must say that Cop most likely investigated me and is probably defending me right now.

Claire was very scummy day 1 so why wouldn't Cop investigate her? If Penta is really vanilla townie, then mafia most likely roleblocked him that night since Penta was pulling this "hypothetical cop" question and they might think Penta was reversirino psychologireeno-ing him so their move was pointless. I am going to ask the host if roleblocked vanilla townie can get a roleblock PM.

In case the Real cop isn't doing anything for my sake, I actually want them to investigate the one who tried to defend me. It could be white knighting. Wouldn't be surprised.

I am going to read in-depth now.

Unlikely, the only person actually defending you seriously right now is Grapefruit. Grapefruit, I'm very certain, is not the cop, because of this:
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@RE1031 With your questions (and your reaction to penta D1) you're the town investigative aren't you?


As for Claire being investigated at all, I don't know. Maybe. BUT I KEEP POINTING OUT THAT WE SHOULD DISCUSS NIGHT ACTIONS AND NO ONE IS LISTENING. OR IS THERE THAT MANY VANILLA TOWNIES. c:

Penta being mafia depends entirely if Claire is mafia. Gonna stick with my theory that Claire picking on Penta means team. It's stupid I know but I think if we really want to wrap up loose ends we have to lynch DenjaClaire.

followind is kinda filler. Because mafia are allowed to talk during the day, for all we know, he could be being fed things to say (sorry). This goes for any possible member of mafia, cause they're allowed to talk during the day, planning is way easier.

Logic coming hard on Claire is barely anything. He came hard on me and he didn't even suspect me. Claire wasn't exactly being nice either.
If you really want to lynch him, not much I can do about it. Not going to fight it though, since at this point, I think it is DenjaClaire vs. Logic.
...better to be hated for what you are than loved for something you are not.
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Well that makes me feel really good about putting you in my town leans pile!

Leaving work, will have a full response later tonight probably. Maybe. Might just sleep.
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Also, why am I a confirmed townie? :3
:3 :3 :3 :3 :3 :3

Do you really not want my vote? :3
:3 :3 :3 :3 :3 :3

Because I'll let you know that I'm a sucker for people who say I'm confirmed townie. But I'm better now. If anything, it's going to draw my eye towards you. :3 :3 :3 :3 :3 :3

Hmm but I guess Crossbell did say that too so I really have no idea. :3 :3 :3 :3 :3 :3
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Mar 25, 2017 4:07 AM

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Also, Penta has been complimenting mafia non stop and I don't like that.
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The problem I see with my deduction (aside from the likelyhood of being wrong is like 99%) is none of the people who voted for Oyasumi_Rosie day 1 is on it.
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Mar 25, 2017 4:11 AM

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If you were confirmed you would be dark blue and not cyan. ;)
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Grapefruit21 said:
If you were confirmed you would be dark blue and not cyan. ;)

RIGHT
Also forest green, no?
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RE1031 said:
Grapefruit21 said:
If you were confirmed you would be dark blue and not cyan. ;)

RIGHT
Also forest green, no?
ohhh derp...

Well I can pretend I meant that post moved you up from town lean (green) to town read (cyan) but really I am just tired after work.
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Yuuuup you're good
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Grapefruit21 said:

@RE1031 Top 3 scum reads would be awesome. And what you want to do wrt to DenjaCalire.

Claire/DenjaX, Penta, and followind

I doubt logic and Claire were a team. HIGHLY DOUBT IT.

I strongly agree with this part. I don't think that is ever s/s

I also suspect DenjaClaire more because logic was not wrong for not believing Claire. I didn't believe her. I thought it was pretty obvious she was lying. First starting with Penta. Penta made no sense as a choice to investigate. CorruptedPurity made more sense. Grapefruit made more sense. Grrr made more sense. Heck, logic would have made more sense. The way she approached accusing Penta was weird as well. A real cop would not reveal their investigation so blatantly. They'd question the person casually, getting as many reads as possible, and then reveal.

Mostly fair. I disagree on Penta being a bad target but agree they weren't a top tier one.

Your points make sense as general theory wrt to Claire claiming. Again I could see claiming in that situation but not an automatic play.


The only thing that threw me off even more than Claire fake claiming investigative PR was her taking it back and claiming VT. Almost believed her. However, like I said, she seemed to already be interested in leaving the game, which made the possibility of a replacement high. Claiming VT right before leaving puts the replacement player in a (slightly) better position.

I believe her reverting back to VT is completely NAI and both scum and town would do it there.

Now DenjaX has barely commented, BUT
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So I did a quick skim on Day 2 shenanigans and I must say that Cop most likely investigated me and is probably defending me right now.

Claire was very scummy day 1 so why wouldn't Cop investigate her? If Penta is really vanilla townie, then mafia most likely roleblocked him that night since Penta was pulling this "hypothetical cop" question and they might think Penta was reversirino psychologireeno-ing him so their move was pointless. I am going to ask the host if roleblocked vanilla townie can get a roleblock PM.

In case the Real cop isn't doing anything for my sake, I actually want them to investigate the one who tried to defend me. It could be white knighting. Wouldn't be surprised.

I am going to read in-depth now.

Unlikely, the only person actually defending you seriously right now is Grapefruit. Grapefruit, I'm very certain, is not the cop, because of this:
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@RE1031 With your questions (and your reaction to penta D1) you're the town investigative aren't you?


As for Claire being investigated at all, I don't know. Maybe. BUT I KEEP POINTING OUT THAT WE SHOULD DISCUSS NIGHT ACTIONS AND NO ONE IS LISTENING. OR IS THERE THAT MANY VANILLA TOWNIES. c:

You are right about me not being investigative for sure. I also am mot sure any PRs need to come forward at this stage. The case against Claire has been made and the case against logic too. We really don't need anyone to out themselves unless they 100% know we're about to mislynch one of the two of them.

Penta being mafia depends entirely if Claire is mafia. Gonna stick with my theory that Claire picking on Penta means team. It's stupid I know but I think if we really want to wrap up loose ends we have to lynch DenjaClaire.

Missed this the first time and I strongly disagree. Very strongly. You know how we said Claire and logic are hard unaligned, I'm very very close to saying that about penta/denjax. I like that they're both in your PoE, don't love having them as a team at all. I will reread and see if I'm missing something, but right now I don't see how a Denja flip says scum!Penta. Did not feel like a bus in real time.

followind is kinda filler. Because mafia are allowed to talk during the day, for all we know, he could be being fed things to say (sorry). This goes for any possible member of mafia, cause they're allowed to talk during the day, planning is way easier.

Logic coming hard on Claire is barely anything. He came hard on me and he didn't even suspect me. Claire wasn't exactly being nice either.
If you really want to lynch him, not much I can do about it. Not going to fight it though, since at this point, I think it is DenjaClaire vs. Logic.

Don't love the reasoning on followind but find the conclusion okay. Defense on logic is floppy. But that's where a lot of people are on him.
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Yuuuup you're good

You started it by saying I called you confirmed town... Uggh no more mafia tonight.
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Penta being mafia depends entirely if Claire is mafia. Gonna stick with my theory that Claire picking on Penta means team. It's stupid I know but I think if we really want to wrap up loose ends we have to lynch DenjaClaire.

Missed this the first time and I strongly disagree. Very strongly. You know how we said Claire and logic are hard unaligned, I'm very very close to saying that about penta/denjax. I like that they're both in your PoE, don't love having them as a team at all. I will reread and see if I'm missing something, but right now I don't see how a Denja flip says scum!Penta. Did not feel like a bus in real time.

Fair enough. If anything, this puts you more on my townie list because scum would be more inclined to keep a conspiracy theory afloat.


followind is kinda filler. Because mafia are allowed to talk during the day, for all we know, he could be being fed things to say (sorry). This goes for any possible member of mafia, cause they're allowed to talk during the day, planning is way easier.

Logic coming hard on Claire is barely anything. He came hard on me and he didn't even suspect me. Claire wasn't exactly being nice either.
If you really want to lynch him, not much I can do about it. Not going to fight it though, since at this point, I think it is DenjaClaire vs. Logic.

Don't love the reasoning on followind but find the conclusion okay. Defense on logic is floppy. But that's where a lot of people are on him.

Also fair. When you get the chance, any thoughts on Logic's super long iso post (here)? Less so of what's in it and more of why you think anyone would dedicate so much time + effort into it. That's something I wouldn't do as either scum or townie.
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