Crossbell said: Qstn. Is it because I am 2nd from the back?Oyasumi_Rosie (6) RE1031, Grapefruit21, Crossbell, Logic340, amberwillow, Grrr Scum on this wagon for sure. [RE, amber, grr] <- somewhere in there. |
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| @Crossbell don't overlook logic. I know you're busy but give him a thorough reread over night. Also no regrets. Even if this lynch was awful for us that's the sort of bad town play I'm trying to weed out. Unless we discourage town from lurking and not giving clear reads (including yourself in a 3 person won't lynch list is awful) we're not going to win anyway. Maybe Rosie was really busy in real life but a simple "hey I can't post during phase change" would have gone a long way. |
amberwillow said: Crossbell said: Says someone who was one of the initiatorsOyasumi_Rosie (6) RE1031, Grapefruit21, Crossbell, Logic340, amberwillow, Grrr Scum on this wagon for sure. [RE, amber, grr] <- somewhere in there. Tell me, what could I have possibly done there? Rosie was fluffposting and I did not understand why she was suspicious of Logic, Grapefruit, and CP, while townreading Sollux and I. Plus, she didn't claim or say ANYTHING to defend herself. If she claimed that she was the two-shot vig then we would have moved off of her immediately. |
Crossbell said: Oyasumi_Rosie (6) RE1031, Grapefruit21, Crossbell, Logic340, amberwillow, Grrr Scum on this wagon for sure. [RE, amber, grr] <- somewhere in there. Made my vote way long ago. Was most certainly not expecting anyone to join me. But I agree, everyone on it is a suspect, and not just the three you mentioned. |
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amberwillow said: Crossbell said: Qstn. Is it because I am 2nd from the back?Oyasumi_Rosie (6) RE1031, Grapefruit21, Crossbell, Logic340, amberwillow, Grrr Scum on this wagon for sure. [RE, amber, grr] <- somewhere in there. Can I answer? (answers anyway). Crossbell is logic's buddy. That is why he purpously removed logic from his scum list (or because of something I haven't read yet : D ). |
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amberwillow said: It's because I have behavioral townreads on Logic and Grapefruit, when I need to reread you.Crossbell said: Qstn. Is it because I am 2nd from the back?Oyasumi_Rosie (6) RE1031, Grapefruit21, Crossbell, Logic340, amberwillow, Grrr Scum on this wagon for sure. [RE, amber, grr] <- somewhere in there. I went over this in my reads post. |
| My town block of villa, me and cp is weird since some people from my town block scum read me : D |
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| This post, specifically: Crossbell said: OK so I have somewhat caught up with the thread, but I'm going to catch up more fully during the Night. Reads: vv: Crossbell Lamby - is unusually more cognizant and more interested in scumhunting than what I normally see from Lamby. Plus, had that huge town-tell with trying to improve and get better in response to the massive scum victories we have recently. PentaFlare - this reads as active, engaged, town!Penta to me. I like his crypticness; I like his case on CP because it feels like he actually believes in it. He's actively scumhunting and I think that's a good look for him. v: Logic - this reads as normal, active, scumhunting! Logic to me but he got off of a nice scum win, so that's why he's in this pile instead of the vv pile. I'm going to approach my read on him with trepidation. Grapefruit - I like his focus on the wagons a lot, since that was something I did in FF15. His posts read as though they're thoughtful and cogent when scumhunting. He could be pocketing me, since I haven't seen his scum game yet, but I'll re-evaluate when the time comes. CP - Gun to my head read town, though he's probably the hardest person to read for me because some of his posts feel kind of manufactured but other posts read as fairly genuine. Need to double check though at Night assuming he doesn't get lynched? I feel like most people are scumreading him due to being scum in other games versus being scum in others. n: amberwillow - Need to reread, she's been active and scumhunting but not many posts of hers have resonated with me. I'll do a deep dive on her Tonight if I have the time. Sollux - Hasn't really made much contribution to the gamestate thus far? RE1031 - Another player in the amberwillow camp I need to reread. followind - Hasn't made much contribution to the gamestate. grr - Anti-town player. Smack him with a vig shot, please. s: Rosie - I've basically read/skimmed the entire game and she has left zero impression on my brain. Plus, zero scumhunting. I will look at her more over Night. Claire - The wagon hop was not a good look for her and she's been mostly defensive and OMGUS'd logic. My read on her depends on the read of CP though. |
Crossbell said: Yeah, I know all that, I wouldn't have voted if I hadn't know what of her behaviour looked off.amberwillow said: Says someone who was one of the initiators Tell me, what could I have possibly done there? Rosie was fluffposting and I did not understand why she was suspicious of Logic, Grapefruit, and CP, while townreading Sollux and I. Plus, she didn't claim or say ANYTHING to defend herself. If she claimed that she was the two-shot vig then we would have moved off of her immediately. And what could RE and I have possibly done there too? (I am not asking bout grr, cuz, I don't see a point) |
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grrr said: amberwillow said: Qstn. Is it because I am 2nd from the back? Can I answer? (answers anyway). Crossbell is logic's buddy. That is why he purpously removed logic from his scum list (or because of something I haven't read yet : D ). Or, reverse psychology? One or two of the people he mentioned could be scum. |
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grrr said: amberwillow said: Qstn. Is it because I am 2nd from the back? Can I answer? (answers anyway). Crossbell is logic's buddy. That is why he purpously removed logic from his scum list (or because of something I haven't read yet : D ). I can very easily see this. I'm a bit baffled about having a behavioural town read on logic right now. I am not saying he is obviously scum but he is far from his normal obv town self. And while I disagree with the future reference part being a town tell, thanks for clarifying. |
Crossbell said: So u are not gonna question them too even though u were just proved that your read might be not exactly good?amberwillow said: It's because I have behavioral townreads on Logic and Grapefruit, when I need to reread you.Qstn. Is it because I am 2nd from the back? I went over this in my reads post. |
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amberwillow said: Crossbell said: Yeah, I know all that, I wouldn't have voted if I hadn't know what of her behaviour looked off.Tell me, what could I have possibly done there? Rosie was fluffposting and I did not understand why she was suspicious of Logic, Grapefruit, and CP, while townreading Sollux and I. Plus, she didn't claim or say ANYTHING to defend herself. If she claimed that she was the two-shot vig then we would have moved off of her immediately. And what could RE and I have possibly done there too? (I am not asking bout grr, cuz, I don't see a point) There are always scum on a town wagon composed of six or more people. The problem with this, is that Rosie didn't bother to defend herself, which makes any vote on her easily justifiable. I'm looking at you guys because you and grr hopped onto the wagon, and RE was the first one on it. |
RE1031 said: grrr said: Can I answer? (answers anyway). Crossbell is logic's buddy. That is why he purpously removed logic from his scum list (or because of something I haven't read yet : D ). Or, reverse psychology? One or two of the people he mentioned could be scum. This is irrelevant. My point is not that logic is scum. My point is that crossbell is. I don't care what his plans with the highlight of these 3 people is. I care that he is being scummy by not being objective. |
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| Note this is not a scum read on either. I don't have a read on Cross. The frustration felt like town Cross. Not interested in lynching tomorrow at all. Just really don't see the town logic read. Anyway I'm off for now. Will reread and try to see things with fresh eyes. |
RE1031 said: To be fair, I don't remember a game where grrr would not town read me for no reason at all, so if CP is not mafia, then it doesn't work.grrr said: Can I answer? (answers anyway). Crossbell is logic's buddy. That is why he purpously removed logic from his scum list (or because of something I haven't read yet : D ). Or, reverse psychology? One or two of the people he mentioned could be scum. |
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| I will do my due diligence and question EVERYONE on the wagon, amber. But I don't think it's the time to throw out townreads just yet. I will reread and figure that out, though. But you three are the most likely scum on the wagon, IMO. |
Grapefruit21 said: If I have time, I will reread Logic's posts and possibly re-evaluate my read on him. He feels like normal Logic to me, but I've never seen his scumgame before. You have had the pleasure of doing so, so tell me - how is scum!Logic like?Note this is not a scum read on either. I don't have a read on Cross. The frustration felt like town Cross. Not interested in lynching tomorrow at all. Just really don't see the town logic read. Anyway I'm off for now. Will reread and try to see things with fresh eyes. |
| Considering most of the votes on Rosie happened within minutes, gonna review those. |
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| Just when I thought I was mindmelding with grrr he has an opposite take on who is more likely scum between Cross and logic. Top 3 I'm going to pay attention to on reread so I can be held to it: Claire, amber, and RE. Feel like I already have a good grasp on logic, but I'll try to see him with fresh eyes. |
| Grapefruit, enlighten me. Who in this game do you think is town, and who do you think is the scum on the Rosie wagon? |
Crossbell said: That statement is too categorical. About half of people participated in the lynch train, and I am sure that there are less than half that are mafia, so there is a certain possibility that all are townies. But yeah, obviously better not hold to it without a good reason.amberwillow said: Yeah, I know all that, I wouldn't have voted if I hadn't know what of her behaviour looked off. And what could RE and I have possibly done there too? (I am not asking bout grr, cuz, I don't see a point) There are always scum on a town wagon composed of six or more people. The problem with this, is that Rosie didn't bother to defend herself, which makes any vote on her easily justifiable. I'm looking at you guys because you and grr hopped onto the wagon, and RE was the first one on it. Hopped on waggon huh. Well I gotta tell you that your townread logic also hopped into it, so what of it? I placed a vote when I saw that it was a tie and only after I wrote my post I saw logic's post. |
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Grapefruit21 said: Just when I thought I was mindmelding with grrr he has an opposite take on who is more likely scum between Cross and logic. Top 3 I'm going to pay attention to on reread so I can be held to it: Claire, amber, and RE. Feel like I already have a good grasp on logic, but I'll try to see him with fresh eyes. Just to make it clear. I am only scum reading logic. I am unable to read crossbell since he did unimaginable things in the last two games we played so I can't know how crossbell works. |
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Crossbell said: that works.I will do my due diligence and question EVERYONE on the wagon, amber. But I don't think it's the time to throw out townreads just yet. I will reread and figure that out, though. But you three are the most likely scum on the wagon, IMO. |
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amberwillow said: Crossbell said: That statement is too categorical. About half of people participated in the lynch train, and I am sure that there are less than half that are mafia, so there is a certain possibility that all are townies. But yeah, obviously better not hold to it without a good reason.There are always scum on a town wagon composed of six or more people. The problem with this, is that Rosie didn't bother to defend herself, which makes any vote on her easily justifiable. I'm looking at you guys because you and grr hopped onto the wagon, and RE was the first one on it. Hopped on waggon huh. Well I gotta tell you that your townread logic also hopped into it, so what of it? I placed a vote when I saw that it was a tie and only after I wrote my post I saw logic's post. It was a town wagon and an easily available mislynch, especially when I started re-evaluating and pushed the wagon myself. The chances that there are no scum on the wagon is close to zero if the scum are actually playing the game. I will take a look at logic, I promise. It's just that he + Grapefruit have done more to show that they were town over you/grr/RE (barring reread). Assuming you're town, amber, who are you suspecting on the Rosie wagon? |
| I'm a little overwhelmed rereading all that and trying to piece together where things came from. I'll probably just stick to taking notes for the night phase and post some new thoughts later unless anyone has some burning questions for me. |
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amberwillow said: Crossbell said: Yeah, I know all that, I wouldn't have voted if I hadn't know what of her behaviour looked off.Tell me, what could I have possibly done there? Rosie was fluffposting and I did not understand why she was suspicious of Logic, Grapefruit, and CP, while townreading Sollux and I. Plus, she didn't claim or say ANYTHING to defend herself. If she claimed that she was the two-shot vig then we would have moved off of her immediately. And what could RE and I have possibly done there too? (I am not asking bout grr, cuz, I don't see a point) Here it is: potatoquote said: er behaviour looked off. <----- Okay, time to back read now >.> |
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Crossbell said: You sir are not an exception, cuz u didn't give a strong feel for most of the time.amberwillow said: That statement is too categorical. About half of people participated in the lynch train, and I am sure that there are less than half that are mafia, so there is a certain possibility that all are townies. But yeah, obviously better not hold to it without a good reason. Hopped on waggon huh. Well I gotta tell you that your townread logic also hopped into it, so what of it? I placed a vote when I saw that it was a tie and only after I wrote my post I saw logic's post. It was a town wagon and an easily available mislynch, especially when I started re-evaluating and pushed the wagon myself. The chances that there are no scum on the wagon is close to zero if the scum are actually playing the game. I will take a look at logic, I promise. It's just that he + Grapefruit have done more to show that they were town over you/grr/RE (barring reread). Assuming you're town, amber, who are you suspecting on the Rosie wagon? From the wagon I suspect most Grape. In order (from the most susp) it would be: Grape->Grr->Cross->Logic->RE. |
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Crossbell said: Grapefruit21 said: If I have time, I will reread Logic's posts and possibly re-evaluate my read on him. He feels like normal Logic to me, but I've never seen his scumgame before. You have had the pleasure of doing so, so tell me - how is scum!Logic like?Note this is not a scum read on either. I don't have a read on Cross. The frustration felt like town Cross. Not interested in lynching tomorrow at all. Just really don't see the town logic read. Anyway I'm off for now. Will reread and try to see things with fresh eyes. So I was working a large portion of the game from knowing he was scum due to a very scummy reaction to a fake vengeful claim. But the tells I saw were a focus on clearly NAI as the basis for scum reads. He kept hammering me for things like mixing up the exact details of who had claimed pushing based on that and then immediately backing down, and flipping my votes around a fair bit in the early game. He also insisted on calling me anti town for a wine spilling soft claim PR that I did under no pressure, and backed down from the instant I called for a full claim. Another fun tell was being very inconsistent in his reads. He at times swung between calling me conf town and leading my mislynch. Basically the biggest tell was he posted super hard. I have more, but don't want to completely give away how I can read him right now. The main one I'm seeing here is the inconsistent reads. His read on Rosie did not feel natural to me. On one hand he calls her fluffy and disengaged. Then in the same breath asks where are the logic the lyncher jokes? It's a very strange read to make and does not feel natural at all to me. |
| I mean. I know I'm town, so. Why is it in that order? Why do you suspect Grape? |
_Claire_ said: You bump heads with people a lot and need to start thinking about ideological differences rather than always scum posturing differences. I dare say your push (grrr and Claire's) seem a bit vindictive in nature. Last game is over this is a different beast. There is NO! SUCH! THING! as grrr and Claire !!!!!!!!!! |
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grrr said: This is irrelevant. My point is not that logic is scum. My point is that crossbell is. I don't care what his plans with the highlight of these 3 people is. I care that he is being scummy by not being objective. grrr said: Grapefruit21 said: Just when I thought I was mindmelding with grrr he has an opposite take on who is more likely scum between Cross and logic. Top 3 I'm going to pay attention to on reread so I can be held to it: Claire, amber, and RE. Feel like I already have a good grasp on logic, but I'll try to see him with fresh eyes. Just to make it clear. I am only scum reading logic. I am unable to read crossbell since he did unimaginable things in the last two games we played so I can't know how crossbell works. Um, contradiction? |
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Crossbell said: Grapefruit, enlighten me. Who in this game do you think is town, and who do you think is the scum on the Rosie wagon? Pending a reread logic>>>re>amber>>you>grrr I randomly have a strong grrr read right now that I'm sure will flag if he doesn't keep up his current strong posting. I can definitely see amber or RE as scum on that wagon don't see you as scum unless it was specifically with logic. |
logic340 said: @grrr maybe you can find some reasons for my lynch in my back and forth with Claire/grape/penta. Yes I am finding these now : D . |
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grrr said: _Claire_ said: You bump heads with people a lot and need to start thinking about ideological differences rather than always scum posturing differences. I dare say your push (grrr and Claire's) seem a bit vindictive in nature. Last game is over this is a different beast. There is NO! SUCH! THING! as grrr and Claire !!!!!!!!!! And there is goes. That quote is actually from logic replying to me quote from Claire's response to logic. Edit: and well RE's point too even. @Crossbell revised logic>>>re/amber>grr>you |
| Also, I did not hop on any wagon. I voted for Oyasumi_Rosie a good 5 hours ago - so like 4 hours before everyone else voted for her. I regret not changing my vote, but I actually had nothing to do with the wagon. |
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| It's coming from his interection with CP (well they both look susp to me), what logic pointed out and overal his behaviour. Like when he was under some pressure he acted overly nervous. Do I need to say anthing about grr? For a long time u were not showing off too much, so that in itself raises a question. Logic interacted with people a lot and was trying to get something out of him, that looks pro-townish, but I don't have a strong read on him. And like I said (or did I thought about it? anw) RE has shown a mistrust toward Rosei since long ago now, and from my talking with her I tend to think that she is townish. Atm the only thing that I'd note from her is her surprise about how train on Rosei formed. Ok, gonna sleep now. |
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CorruptedPurity said: Not gonna meta read grrr. Also, grrr, I know how I sound after you backed me up but my reasons are sound and make sense. Why would you treat me like a 100% town clear for a slightly pro-town post? So if you're town, please please forgive me... I have done this at least 3+ times on people who have been protecting me in a game and I never apologized : D. Sorry but I can't see how an apology is necessary. |
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Crossbell said: Is PentaFlare normally this cryptic as scum? The last performance I've seen where he intentionally withheld information about his own play was in Stardust Crusaders Mafia, which I think garnered him a fair amount of suspicion early. Logic/Grapefruit: How would you say Penta played in Haruhi Mafia (shame on me since I knew I modded the game, but I didn't really read along). Was he this cryptic or was he more open with his play? Missed this earlier. Open to the point of over explaining. |
logic340 said: Grapefruit21 said: or do they say, you know this is within the range of penta's scum game why easy it up so quickly? Not to be rude but I think this is what people mean when they say you like throwing yourself in pockets.They were doing that with the intention to catch me out for my bolded post about lurking and not sharing opinions. They were being over the top about not sharing to see how I'd react. After that Penta proceeded to share their reads. Does that change your opinion at all? And you don't have to join a top wagon. Just give your opinion on them and try to persuade us to join you if you believe your alternative is better. This is not a town logic post. Town points to anyone who can mindmeld with my reasoning. |
RE1031 said: grrr said: This is irrelevant. My point is not that logic is scum. My point is that crossbell is. I don't care what his plans with the highlight of these 3 people is. I care that he is being scummy by not being objective. grrr said: Just to make it clear. I am only scum reading logic. I am unable to read crossbell since he did unimaginable things in the last two games we played so I can't know how crossbell works. Um, contradiction? Oh, okey let me say it like this. I am blindly convinced that logic is scum. My point on the crossbell post's was that crossbell can be scum as well but that is just a scum read on crossbell that I dont even understand how he works. My conviction on logic being scum stays high above any other reads. And as he said, his barking about how this me being salty from the previous game makes me suspect him even more : D (though by pointing it out he reduced this effect in half). |
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grrr said: Oh, okey let me say it like this. I am blindly convinced that logic is scum. My point on the crossbell post's was that crossbell can be scum as well but that is just a scum read on crossbell that I dont even understand how he works. My conviction on logic being scum stays high above any other reads. And as he said, his barking about how this me being salty from the previous game makes me suspect him even more : D (though by pointing it out he reduced this effect in half). Hmm I sorta see... Although I'm more confused than anything. |
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| Well, I'm not sure where to go from here. @Crossbell @Grapefruit21 @amberwillow @logic340 @grrr If you didn't vote for Rosie, who would you have voted for? Ignoring the new information we've gotten, who was next on your list before the end of Day 1? I would have probably gone for Claire. |
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RE1031 said: Well, I'm not sure where to go from here. @Crossbell @Grapefruit21 @amberwillow @logic340 @grrr If you didn't vote for Rosie, who would you have voted for? Ignoring the new information we've gotten, who was next on your list before the end of Day 1? I would have probably gone for Claire. My scum reads are probably the most discussed thing in the game so I'll give you an answer to a different question. Lam-b is now my top town read (which is terrifying) and sollux stays in my comfortably town pile. |
Grapefruit21 said: RE1031 said: Well, I'm not sure where to go from here. @Crossbell @Grapefruit21 @amberwillow @logic340 @grrr If you didn't vote for Rosie, who would you have voted for? Ignoring the new information we've gotten, who was next on your list before the end of Day 1? I would have probably gone for Claire. My scum reads are probably the most discussed thing in the game so I'll give you an answer to a different question. Lam-b is now my top town read (which is terrifying) and sollux stays in my comfortably town pile. The reason I'm asking is because Rosie's train didn't grow gradually - people jumped on it left and right. Curious why they would choose Rosie, a townie, over whoever they wanted to vote, or claimed they wanted to vote. But that's interesting - since lam-b hasn't posted a lot recently. I agree about sollux. |
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RE1031 said: Grapefruit21 said: My scum reads are probably the most discussed thing in the game so I'll give you an answer to a different question. Lam-b is now my top town read (which is terrifying) and sollux stays in my comfortably town pile. The reason I'm asking is because Rosie's train didn't grow gradually - people jumped on it left and right. Curious why they would choose Rosie, a townie, over whoever they wanted to vote, or claimed they wanted to vote. But that's interesting - since lam-b hasn't posted a lot recently. I agree about sollux. That's why it's terrifying! My strongest town read is a flabby one on Lam who I haven't interacted with at all. |
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