Meme tier list for 4*'s *Change log, It's Vlad, Ibaraki, Anne and Bonny (Rider) and Carmilla down to 9.0. Anne and Bonny (Archer) went up to 9.5, Nero down 8.5 with Swimsuit Martha, and Atalanta is down to 8.0* |
-MahesvaraJan 10, 2017 8:37 PM
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| Emiya higher than Saber Alter, GTFO. |
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| I agree with the Mashu tier, and Tier 10 list. Everything else is pretty bs. |
| 4* for waifu |
| bruh |
| >D'eon: 8.5 lol wot |
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| Emiya higher than both Saber and Rider Alter? Emiya on the same tier-level as Rama and Kuro? Carmilla higher-tier than Shiki? lol. |
| I don't think the wait for King Hassan could be any more suffering. I'm totally ready to roll for him with my 3 quartz. |
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| Btw, when do they plan to put Okita in gacha again? She is the only saberface i dont have... |
| bruh |
FalK-ON said: I can't even roll, I've only got 2 and I can't buy quartz because I have a car payment and car insurance to pay for soon ;-;I don't think the wait for King Hassan could be any more suffering. I'm totally ready to roll for him with my 3 quartz. It was updated, she's on the 9.0 tier now, but still I agree...lol. |
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-Mahesvara said: FalK-ON said: I can't even roll, I've only got 2 and I can't buy quartz because I have a car payment and car insurance to pay for soon ;-;I don't think the wait for King Hassan could be any more suffering. I'm totally ready to roll for him with my 3 quartz. It was updated, she's on the 9.0 tier now, but still I agree...lol. Carmilla should be a 7 at best. Heck, Iri is far more usable than her with their current kit, so 7 is still being kinda generous. She's not Astolfo-level but that's not saying much. |
astroprogs said: This tier-list is just straight ludicrous, at least the meme 5* tier list has decent justification for its rankings.-Mahesvara said: I can't even roll, I've only got 2 and I can't buy quartz because I have a car payment and car insurance to pay for soon ;-; It was updated, she's on the 9.0 tier now, but still I agree...lol. Carmilla should be a 7 at best. Heck, Iri is far more usable than her with their current kit, so 7 is still being kinda generous. She's not Astolfo-level but that's not saying much. |
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His final art is already out...lol |
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| I supposed max leveling a servant before using them is not that uncommon. |
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| King Hassan's lines for another Hassan. Roughly paraphrased: Cursed Arm - What did you think to grasp with that devil's arm? Your own foolishness? Give me your head. Serenity - What did you think to protect with that poisonous body? The loneliness that protects even wild flowers? Stupid. Give me your head. Hundred Face - What were you accumulating with all that wisdom? A desire to compete for one faith with a hundred souls? You fool. Give me your head. |
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KaiserNazrin said: Emiya higher than Saber Alter, GTFO. I disagree. Emiya is better. D'eon actually has good uses, especially in prolong boss fights like in the Colosseum. astroprogs said: Carmilla should be a 7 at best. Heck, Iri is far more usable than her with their current kit, so 7 is still being kinda generous. She's not Astolfo-level but that's not saying much. No, 9.5 or even 9 is right. Lol Iris is crap. 7 sounds right for her. She has her uses sure. For the most part, I agree with that listing. Everyone is pretty much in the right places. Yes feel free to rebuttal but I probably won't counter it lol. Edit 1: Weird, was sure I typed Carmilla is also better than Shiki. Edit 2: Yes I do use all these Servants. |
GenkiiJan 11, 2017 2:46 AM
| I got Lancelot (Saber). Better than nothing. |
| Got spooked by Sumanai. Life is suffering. |
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Genkii said: KaiserNazrin said: Emiya higher than Saber Alter, GTFO. I disagree. Emiya is better. D'eon actually has good uses, especially in prolong boss fights like in the Colosseum. astroprogs said: Carmilla should be a 7 at best. Heck, Iri is far more usable than her with their current kit, so 7 is still being kinda generous. She's not Astolfo-level but that's not saying much. No, 9.5 or even 9 is right. Lol Iris is crap. 7 sounds right for her. She has her uses sure. For the most part, I agree with that listing. Everyone is pretty much in the right places. Yes feel free to rebuttal but I probably won't counter it lol. Edit 1: Weird, was sure I typed Carmilla is also better than Shiki. Edit 2: Yes I do use all these Servants. Iri has a single job, and she does it well. Shiki is a great Assassin for both Arts and Quick teams, can deal a lot of damag and can get her NP repeatedly up fairly fast. Carmilla however, has low hit count, 3 Quick cards and a Buster NP, which means she can't generat NP as fast or as well as Shiki. Her NP is great, but good luck firing it more than a few times. Her skills are nice, but the intention of her kit doesn't go well with her actual perfoance. You can't bring her for hard boss fights when she can't fire that NP nearly enough times. |
astroprogs said: Genkii said: I disagree. Emiya is better. D'eon actually has good uses, especially in prolong boss fights like in the Colosseum. No, 9.5 or even 9 is right. Lol Iris is crap. 7 sounds right for her. She has her uses sure. For the most part, I agree with that listing. Everyone is pretty much in the right places. Yes feel free to rebuttal but I probably won't counter it lol. Edit 1: Weird, was sure I typed Carmilla is also better than Shiki. Edit 2: Yes I do use all these Servants. Iri has a single job, and she does it well. Shiki is a great Assassin for both Arts and Quick teams, can deal a lot of damag and can get her NP repeatedly up fairly fast. Carmilla however, has low hit count, 3 Quick cards and a Buster NP, which means she can't generat NP as fast or as well as Shiki. Her NP is great, but good luck firing it more than a few times. Her skills are nice, but the intention of her kit doesn't go well with her actual perfoance. You can't bring her for hard boss fights when she can't fire that NP nearly enough times. I wasn't going to reply but christ you are severely wrong. Her Quick cards are what makes her amazing and what makes her generate NP fast. Thanks to her recent buff, she compensates her not so good star gen with her new skill. I have also chained her NP into her quicks and got her to 100% NP ready again. -She can take enemies NP bar. -She can charge her NP by 27%. -She has an enemy 20% def decrease skill. -She can generate 10 crit stars for 3 turns. -Her cooldowns are reasonable. -Her NP hurts females more. -Her NP recovers 2000hp which self sustains her. -Her NP gives her 20% attack boost for 3 turns AND can be stackable. She is a GREAT unit because she can carry herself AND her team. She does many roles AND is good at them unlike Iris who is good at ONE role. She is well deserving of her grade as a 9. Kindly play the character right before making inaccurate assessments. "She is a NP spammer that works under constant buff from her NP and heals herself. There is no assassins in her niche. Out of 4 star assassins she has best survivability and damage output." - RunnerComet "She can still NP spam better than Shiki. I think she is better than Shiki in boss fight since bosses have really high instant-kill resistance." - billySEEDDecade "A Carmilla AQQ brave chain can now generate 51.6% NP gauge. Factor in her ability to set up stars, and you have a beast on your hands. If just one of those cards crits, you're looking at anywhere between 60.2% and 68.8% gauge. If the last hit among those gets overkill? Anywhere from 75.25% to 92.45%." - valensa " I've been running Carmilla (HF)/Waver/Attila team, and she has no problem killing a Herc with 96k HP as she hits ~170k on him. She can hit ~50k on Casters. In the end, her strong points are her damage and NP gain not her star generation." - Vayne2101 |
| Ever since I got Carmilla's NP to lv5, she is the one in my support list =) That says which one I think is best. Shiki is still awesome though. The only thing that I might disagree is Medusa avenger 8.0 I don't have her [ =( ], but she looked like a 9 to me. |
| @Genkii Seriously? I honestly never had that kind of positive experience using Carmilla. Shiki was always more usable for me with a much spammable NP. When did her NP gen get that good? Her strengthen quest only added a skill as far as I know. She most definitely wasn't this good at launch. Well, if she's this good, color me pleasantly surprised. |
astroprogs said: @Genkii Seriously? I honestly never had that kind of positive experience using Carmilla. Shiki was always more usable for me with a much spammable NP. When did her NP gen get that good? Her strengthen quest only added a skill as far as I know. She most definitely wasn't this good at launch. Well, if she's this good, color me pleasantly surprised. Yes, Carmilla has always been a good 4* assassin, and Genkii got plenty of use out of her even before the skill buff. I still prefer Shiki over her, so it's good they bumped her down to a 9. But usually if you have them both at NP5, it'd be the better choice to go with Carmilla. If you don't, just burn the old hag Carmilla for a rare prism. |
| M-my life was a lie. |
| That aside... I don't get how you think Iri is good. She can only heal a single target with her skill, she can grant only herself invulnerability, can only increase the amount of HP healed to herself, cannot increase her gauge in a pinch, cannot remove status effects nor buff status resistance, and her NP's Guts effect is unreliable. It doesn't need to be said how crazy good Medea Lily is, she's a tier 10 when it comes to party survival in my book. |
ShinsoPriest said: That aside... I don't get how you think Iri is good. She can only heal a single target with her skill, she can grant only herself invulnerability, can only increase the amount of HP healed to herself, cannot increase her gauge in a pinch, cannot remove status effects nor buff status resistance, and her NP's Guts effect is unreliable. It doesn't need to be said how crazy good Medea Lily is, she's a tier 10 when it comes to party survival in my book. "Good" isn't "great". Her entire kit is geared towards surviving long enough so she can continuously put Guts on the party. She does that very well. Whether you think that is worth doing in the first place is another matter. Iri works best in the fights where you know you won't be able to heal or dodge, as the upcoming damage will take your Servant's entire HP bar. In that kind of situation, Medea Lily can't help you nearly as much as Iri. |
| You're doing something wrong if you're often in a situation where you will get one shot by a servant. I wouldn't take a subpar healer with guts when guts will almost never be needed. What is needed is someone who can heal everything to max from the get go as chip damage cannot be avoided while enemy NP most certainly can through stunning, draining NP, etc. And I doubt Iri can spam her NP twice in a row without seriously reducing the damage output of your party. |
| It doesn't matter how useful Iri is gameplay wise, all that matters is that she's a top-tier waifu. |
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| Medea Lily also surpasses Iri in waifu tiers. |
ShinsoPriest said: Maybe in the pedo-waifu tier list.Medea Lily also surpasses Iri in waifu tiers. |
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-Mahesvara said: ShinsoPriest said: Maybe in the pedo-waifu tier list.Medea Lily also surpasses Iri in waifu tiers. That is the only list. |
ShinsoPriest said: You're doing something wrong if you're often in a situation where you will get one shot by a servant. I wouldn't take a subpar healer with guts when guts will almost never be needed. What is needed is someone who can heal everything to max from the get go as chip damage cannot be avoided while enemy NP most certainly can through stunning, draining NP, etc. And I doubt Iri can spam her NP twice in a row without seriously reducing the damage output of your party. Not often, but it certainly happens. Ibaraki one shotting your entire full-health party comes to mind. Lily was useless in that fight for me, while Iri saved my ass numerous times. Oh, you're wrong, but you're right, but you're wrong... |
| @astroprogs deep down you know that it is true. |
-Mahesvara said: ShinsoPriest said: Maybe in the pedo-waifu tier list.Medea Lily also surpasses Iri in waifu tiers. She's around the same age as Arturia. |
ShinsoPriestJan 12, 2017 9:43 AM
| Speaking of that, holy shit Artoria is so fucking short. I never really thought about it before.But since now I am really close to somebody that is 153cm, it feels really weird. Seriously Deen and UFO, and even the VN dont make her appear so short.An din teh anime it feels even more weird. |
ShinsoPriest said: -Mahesvara said: Maybe in the pedo-waifu tier list. She's around the same age as Arturia. Your point? *throws shades at a certain group of the fandom* ssjokg said: Speaking of that, holy shit Artoria is so fucking short. I never really thought about it before.But since now I am really close to somebody that is 153cm, it feels really weird. Seriously Deen and UFO, and even the VN dont make her appear so short.An din teh anime it feels even more weird. I think the VN conveyed her height pretty well. Just look at any given scene where her sprite is next to Rin's who's pretty average herself. The ones with Kirei are just comical lol |
astroprogsJan 12, 2017 9:47 AM
astroprogs said: Not often, but it certainly happens. Ibaraki one shotting your entire full-health party comes to mind. Lily was useless in that fight for me, while Iri saved my ass numerous times. Ibaraki was precisely the fight where I drained her NP constantly with Tamamo and Waver while Jack dealt immense damage with her NP. What I was at risk of was her attacks dealing crazy damage outside of defense buffs, which Iri wouldn't be able to heal effectively. I got the most use out of Medea Lily who brought everyone to max HP when she and the hands brought me down a bit. And her NP is single target, so everyone used someone like Mashu or that Sparta dude to taunt and take it in the face. |
ShinsoPriest said: astroprogs said: Not often, but it certainly happens. Ibaraki one shotting your entire full-health party comes to mind. Lily was useless in that fight for me, while Iri saved my ass numerous times. Ibaraki was precisely the fight where I drained her NP constantly with Tamamo and Waver while Jack dealt immense damage with her NP. What I was at risk of was her attacks dealing crazy damage outside of defense buffs, which Iri wouldn't be able to heal effectively. I got the most use out of Medea Lily who brought everyone to max HP when she and the hands brought me down a bit. And her NP is single target, so everyone used someone like Mashu or that Sparta dude to taunt and take it in the face. Well, not everybody has Waver, so that's less against Iri and more against the unlucky :p What you're describing is a valid strategy, but not the only one. I used Iri and left all support on her and Mashu, so I can have the remaining four slots be exclusive to the heavy hitters. I can't tell you how many times Lily was a waste of a slot a few turns into the Ibaraki stage of the fight with no Waver to lessen the blows. I've used both Lily and Iri in that fight and Iri was the only one who could get my J. Alter and Jack to remain alive long enough to win/stall the 15 turns. |
astroprogs said: i dont mean the sprites.Your point? *throws shades at a certain group of the fandom* ssjokg said: Speaking of that, holy shit Artoria is so fucking short. I never really thought about it before.But since now I am really close to somebody that is 153cm, it feels really weird. Seriously Deen and UFO, and even the VN dont make her appear so short.An din teh anime it feels even more weird. I think the VN conveyed her height pretty well. Just look at any given scene where her sprite is next to Rin's who's pretty average herself. The ones with Kirei are just comical lol |
ssjokg said: astroprogs said: i dont mean the sprites.Your point? *throws shades at a certain group of the fandom* I think the VN conveyed her height pretty well. Just look at any given scene where her sprite is next to Rin's who's pretty average herself. The ones with Kirei are just comical lol Did Saber ever appear with someone in CGs in a way we can compare her height? The ones with Herc and T. Assassin don't allow us to do that. We only have the sprites to work off of. |
ShinsoPriest said: She's 14...In Artoria's case, she stopped physically aging at 15, but she's actually much older than that.-Mahesvara said: Maybe in the pedo-waifu tier list. She's around the same age as Arturia. |
-MahesvaraJan 12, 2017 10:17 AM
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astroprogs said: ShinsoPriest said: Ibaraki was precisely the fight where I drained her NP constantly with Tamamo and Waver while Jack dealt immense damage with her NP. What I was at risk of was her attacks dealing crazy damage outside of defense buffs, which Iri wouldn't be able to heal effectively. I got the most use out of Medea Lily who brought everyone to max HP when she and the hands brought me down a bit. And her NP is single target, so everyone used someone like Mashu or that Sparta dude to taunt and take it in the face. Well, not everybody has Waver, so that's less against Iri and more against the unlucky :p What you're describing is a valid strategy, but not the only one. I used Iri and left all support on her and Mashu, so I can have the remaining four slots be exclusive to the heavy hitters. I can't tell you how many times Lily was a waste of a slot a few turns into the Ibaraki stage of the fight with no Waver to lessen the blows. I've used both Lily and Iri in that fight and Iri was the only one who could get my J. Alter and Jack to remain alive long enough to win/stall the 15 turns. Support is a thing. And Arturia is around 14-15. The sword stopped her aging, y'know. |
astroprogs said: ssjokg said: i dont mean the sprites. Did Saber ever appear with someone in CGs in a way we can compare her height? The ones with Herc and T. Assassin don't allow us to do that. We only have the sprites to work off of. I dont mean analyzing like that. I have a clear image of what a 153cm tall human must look like. https://cgv.blicky.net/fsn/0087.jpg https://cgv.blicky.net/fsn/0324.jpg While both are short in general, I dont get that feeling here. https://cgv.blicky.net/fsn/0056.jpg https://cgv.blicky.net/fsn/0018.jpg https://cgv.blicky.net/fsn/0012.jpg If Excalibur is 90cm she must already be stabbing Rin, penetrate her and stab the ground. |
ShinsoPriest said: It stopped her physical appearance from aging, thats all.astroprogs said: Well, not everybody has Waver, so that's less against Iri and more against the unlucky :p What you're describing is a valid strategy, but not the only one. I used Iri and left all support on her and Mashu, so I can have the remaining four slots be exclusive to the heavy hitters. I can't tell you how many times Lily was a waste of a slot a few turns into the Ibaraki stage of the fight with no Waver to lessen the blows. I've used both Lily and Iri in that fight and Iri was the only one who could get my J. Alter and Jack to remain alive long enough to win/stall the 15 turns. Support is a thing. -Mahesvara said: She's 14... And Arturia is around 14-15. The sword stopped her aging, y'know. |
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ShinsoPriest said: astroprogs said: Well, not everybody has Waver, so that's less against Iri and more against the unlucky :p What you're describing is a valid strategy, but not the only one. I used Iri and left all support on her and Mashu, so I can have the remaining four slots be exclusive to the heavy hitters. I can't tell you how many times Lily was a waste of a slot a few turns into the Ibaraki stage of the fight with no Waver to lessen the blows. I've used both Lily and Iri in that fight and Iri was the only one who could get my J. Alter and Jack to remain alive long enough to win/stall the 15 turns. Support is a thing. -Mahesvara said: She's 14... And Arturia is around 14-15. The sword stopped her aging, y'know. Let me rephrase that. Not everybody has Waver AND multiple good for the task heavy hitters. Also, at the time I didn't have Lily, so I got her from support when I was testing multiple team combinations. It was either her, Waver or Jack for me. Thankfully, I had J. Alter, Mashu and Iri, so I'd pick another hitter and Jack from support with Nero at the very back for an insurance. |
ssjokg said: astroprogs said: Did Saber ever appear with someone in CGs in a way we can compare her height? The ones with Herc and T. Assassin don't allow us to do that. We only have the sprites to work off of. I dont mean analyzing like that. I have a clear image of what a 153cm tall human must look like. https://cgv.blicky.net/fsn/0087.jpg https://cgv.blicky.net/fsn/0324.jpg While both are short in general, I dont get that feeling here. https://cgv.blicky.net/fsn/0056.jpg https://cgv.blicky.net/fsn/0018.jpg https://cgv.blicky.net/fsn/0012.jpg If Excalibur is 90cm she must already be stabbing Rin, penetrate her and stab the ground. Unless she's standing literally on top of her, it's safe to assume she holding it on an angle. The pic with Shirou seems accurate. He's not that tall (167cm) and he's leaning as she's holding his body and he still looks taller than her. In the HF pic, Shirou's legs are really long if you compare it to hers. The CGs in general are framed in such a way as to not draw attention to it, but it's really noticeable if you closely look at them. Looking at how ufo did it (Caster is 163cm, 10cm taller than Saber):  Seems pretty accurate as well. Maybe this feeling is based on your RL impression of that height? -Mahesvara said: ShinsoPriest said: It stopped her physical appearance from aging, thats all.Support is a thing. And Arturia is around 14-15. The sword stopped her aging, y'know.  |
astroprogsJan 12, 2017 10:51 AM
astroprogs said: Its true though lol. Im just pointing out that comparing them is absurd, when Medea Lily is an actual 14 year old girl and Artoria is a woman in her mid to late 20's that has the appearance of her 15 year old self.ssjokg said: I dont mean analyzing like that. I have a clear image of what a 153cm tall human must look like. https://cgv.blicky.net/fsn/0087.jpg https://cgv.blicky.net/fsn/0324.jpg While both are short in general, I dont get that feeling here. https://cgv.blicky.net/fsn/0056.jpg https://cgv.blicky.net/fsn/0018.jpg https://cgv.blicky.net/fsn/0012.jpg If Excalibur is 90cm she must already be stabbing Rin, penetrate her and stab the ground. Unless she's standing literally on top of her, it's safe to assume she holding it on an angle. The pic with Shirou seems accurate. He's not that tall (167cm) and he's leaning as she's holding his body and he still looks taller than her. In the HF pic, Shirou's legs are really long if you compare it to hers. The CGs in general are framed in such a way as to not draw attention to it, but it's really noticeable if you closely look at them. Maybe this feeling is based on your RL impression of that height? -Mahesvara said: It stopped her physical appearance from aging, thats all. |
-MahesvaraJan 12, 2017 10:52 AM
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I did say that. In Zero, I always thought that Iri would be 170 at worse.But no she is 158.Was it her clothes, I dont know. |
ssjokg said: I did say that. In Zero, I always thought that Iri would be 170 at worse.But no she is 158.Was it her clothes, I dont know. It's the hat.  |
astroprogsJan 12, 2017 11:01 AM
| Not talking about the anime. I meant this http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/typemoon/images/6/60/Iri_casual.png/revision/latest?cb=20121210091432 And damn those seats must be small. |
-Mahesvara said: astroprogs said: Its true though lol. Im just pointing out that comparing them is absurd, when Medea Lily is an actual 14 year old girl and Artoria is a woman in her mid to late 20's that has the appearance of her 15 year old self.Unless she's standing literally on top of her, it's safe to assume she holding it on an angle. The pic with Shirou seems accurate. He's not that tall (167cm) and he's leaning as she's holding his body and he still looks taller than her. In the HF pic, Shirou's legs are really long if you compare it to hers. The CGs in general are framed in such a way as to not draw attention to it, but it's really noticeable if you closely look at them. Maybe this feeling is based on your RL impression of that height? That's how lolicons justify waifuing lolis by making them a thousand years old. It's only the physical appearance that matters. |
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