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Dec 19, 2016 11:02 PM
#901
DenjaX said: Phraze said: You are denouncing my methods and you cannot even come up with a better solution. So I don't see your so called "contribution" here. If you have, Enlighten me.1. how am I not contributing? weren't for me Gruffin wouldn't call u town. Rinto has been trolling. and he even made a 'supposed' vote tie on D1. 2. u sound like CCL!Gwen. cool~ hmmm now what happened after that? >w> Please, if anything, it was Gruffin himself who realized I'm town and you just going along with him. You did not even consider me town. Yep, it was Rinto-kun who made the tie. You know what you said? You said you preferred to lynch K0tA because Karote sounded town to you. But what you did was actually leading Karote's demise because he would have been lynched if Rinto-kun did not vote last minute. It was 4 - 4 tie but since you moved your vote to shad, Karote became the majority before Rinto-kun made the tie. How do you explain that? 1. I disagree with ur methods. but I don't intend to destroy it. yes I lack leads for this game, but that's due to the players. 2. I still don't consider u town, maybe town neutral. u wanted to try 'claiming' but it'll lead to townwreck which has been happening all of D2. 3. I said it somewhere to Shad. Kit claimed a tie, but u(?) broke it by voting Karote. since there was nothing I could do and I didn't wanna vote Karote, I switched votes. that was in case Rinto would vote Kota(and he did) to force a tie against ur vote. now that wasn't my problem. I only did what was necessary, it's better than forcing another tie(which wasn't official one btw). are u talking to me in terms of official votecount or the mistake Kit made? I was following what Kit said. Rinto forced the tie at the end. //not gonna see me now and idc if u vote me |
Dec 19, 2016 11:16 PM
#902
Phraze said: 1. I respect that.1. I disagree with ur methods. but I don't intend to destroy it. yes I lack leads for this game, but that's due to the players. 2. I still don't consider u town, maybe town neutral. u wanted to try 'claiming' but it'll lead to townwreck which has been happening all of D2. 3. I said it somewhere to Shad. Kit claimed a tie, but u(?) broke it by voting Karote. since there was nothing I could do and I didn't wanna vote Karote, I switched votes. that was in case Rinto would vote Kota(and he did) to force a tie against ur vote. now that wasn't my problem. I only did what was necessary, it's better than forcing another tie(which wasn't official one btw). are u talking to me in terms of official votecount or the mistake Kit made? I was following what Kit said. Rinto forced the tie at the end. //not gonna see me now and idc if u vote me 2. Funny, my strategy weren't even set in motion and yet you already know that it was a trainwreck? Are you a prophet? Besides, there is nothing to claim here because we are all vanilla. I claim vanilla townie. Ooooh~ Mafia knows my role now~ I'm scared~ 3. Okay so your vote was based on the miscalculation of the vote count. I respect that. I also thought Karote/Kota was in the lead too. Even host thinks that too xDD I wish votecounts come often but yeah Vadim only wants to update every 8 hours... Wouldn't be surprised if it happens again. |
Dec 20, 2016 3:45 AM
#903
Vadim: Togs for now. Whatever is happening to everyone this game. >__> |
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Dec 20, 2016 3:49 AM
#904
What strategy did you implement, tell me ;-; |
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Dec 20, 2016 3:51 AM
#905
DenjaX said: Gruffin said: If you look at the set of questions I gave her, you should know something stinks lmao.Alright. I was just worried about being unfair but we really do need to move on. I assume your vote on Phraze was because she was being evasive? I've tried to question her, but it hasn't resulted in anything that I can pin down as scummy for certain. I'd be willing to join her train if it means making her redo your test, but I want to see if I can get anything out of Ruu first. Is it by using the meta in our role messages? GENIOUS! Everyone can show their letters or just paraphrase them, this is bound to work! |
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Dec 20, 2016 4:01 AM
#906
LucianRoy said: info dump incoming?I'm ALMOST THERE |
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Dec 20, 2016 4:55 AM
#907
Phraze said: The post itself looks fluffy but from my point of view it was put out there to see how you would react. I honestly would have liked to see you answer the questions. We can make a behavioral read based on the fact that you chose not to answer them. The question becomes why did she answer? If you see what Denja is doing then you should see the town motive behind right?@DenjaX The thing is, my questions were empty and full of fluff and you assumed it was related to claims. Those questions were no way judge your alignment and you thought it is. not gonna ruin ur plan but yes, I knew it was fluff. Gruffin was asking something else. know that I know what ur thinkingWhy would you think that? Phraze said: How does following Denja's plan further ruin town? If anything Denja has been very helpful especially when you compare him to all the inactive players. I think a lot of people are purposely avoiding Denja (particularly scum) because his play style can cause them to slip up. @logic340 imo.the question was asked in order to see what your behavior would be like. Openly answer them, try to sound town while answering, refuse to answer, etc. These all would tell us different things about you based on how you answered. I know that. this is very antitown of me, but I just prefer to watch the game's progress now.@Phraze if you're truly town let's not have a repeat of Hirugashi. I don't want to feel like that again, what does mine/Gruffin/DenjaX's behavior tell you about us? this game has more potential than Higurashi. we don't have a lynch lock and got more players.I suspected Denja but his strategy(and something he said) showed him as town. if he joined the search party on N1 I would know it was a trick lol. even Gruffin called the search without a clue(or did she to fish?). Logic is being Logic, safely say ur town. I sorta knew whatever Denja is thinking, and everyone is following him. but this is gonna ruin town more than not and I disagree with it. DenjaX said: I do and I don't agree with this. I could see Phraze being town and misunderstanding what you are trying to do. I do think your interactions with Phraze will provide a better understanding of her alignment I just need to search for it. Phraze said: Yeah, you should be lynched. This game is filled with inactives and you are not even contributing with a better solution. How else are we supposed to do when we got no info at all?1. I knew what u were trying to fish for. not surprised at all 2. lol u underestimate me idm a lynch on me at all, report me to Vadim pls~ Yeah at this point, I don't care if you are scum or just town trying to be anti-town just for shits and giggles. Your posts are just awful. You need to go. Phraze said: Please don't ask for a replacement this game has already been hard enough and the first two replacements haven't even caught up yet and the phase is almost over.@DenjaX Nope, you don't know my plans one bit. 1. we shall seeIf you are against my idea, you would have revealed my plans to everyone so that Mafias can also exploit it and at the same time, it will fulfill your philosophy of you not wanting to go with my strategy. That way, you will stop me from attempting to do this strategy since it is pointless. But you didn't. Because you have no idea what I am up to. Why? Because you are scum. 2. everyone has their strategy so I respect and work with it. give me one game example where I purposely threw someone else's strategy. it's also against the rules. and I'm serious, if u still want to imply that my playstyle is only for laughs, I WILL ask for a replacement 3. anything u say Edit: Fix coding |
logic340Dec 20, 2016 5:07 AM
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Dec 20, 2016 5:06 AM
#908
@Rinto-kun what is your take on the Phraze/DenjaX interaction? Who do you think is town and who do you think is scum? |
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Dec 20, 2016 5:11 AM
#909
Phraze said: DenjaX said: Phraze said: 1. how am I not contributing? weren't for me Gruffin wouldn't call u town. Rinto has been trolling. and he even made a 'supposed' vote tie on D1. 2. u sound like CCL!Gwen. cool~ hmmm now what happened after that? >w> Please, if anything, it was Gruffin himself who realized I'm town and you just going along with him. You did not even consider me town. Yep, it was Rinto-kun who made the tie. You know what you said? You said you preferred to lynch K0tA because Karote sounded town to you. But what you did was actually leading Karote's demise because he would have been lynched if Rinto-kun did not vote last minute. It was 4 - 4 tie but since you moved your vote to shad, Karote became the majority before Rinto-kun made the tie. How do you explain that? 1. I disagree with ur methods. but I don't intend to destroy it. yes I lack leads for this game, but that's due to the players. 2. I still don't consider u town, maybe town neutral. u wanted to try 'claiming' but it'll lead to townwreck which has been happening all of D2. 3. I said it somewhere to Shad. Kit claimed a tie, but u(?) broke it by voting Karote. since there was nothing I could do and I didn't wanna vote Karote, I switched votes. that was in case Rinto would vote Kota(and he did) to force a tie against ur vote. now that wasn't my problem. I only did what was necessary, it's better than forcing another tie(which wasn't official one btw). are u talking to me in terms of official votecount or the mistake Kit made? I was following what Kit said. Rinto forced the tie at the end. //not gonna see me now and idc if u vote me 1. Disagreeing with methods is fine but trying to understand the reason behind the motive is what you need to be looking at. 2. What I would consider to be the townwreck is the fact that more than half of us have been idle and inactive. 3. I this is all kinds of hard to read because the VC was wrong. So we have to think about what people's motives for the moves where when considering what the state of the VC was. You cannot say that Rinto saved so-and-so by making it a tie when they thought they were putting the person they voted for in the lead. This is just an example I haven't even tried to figure those reasons out yet. @Phraze DenjaX, Me, and Gruffin do you think we are town or scum? |
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Dec 20, 2016 5:17 AM
#910
logic340 said: @Rinto-kun what is your take on the Phraze/DenjaX interaction? Who do you think is town and who do you think is scum? I'm rather inclined to trust Denja because he rarely displays a proactive behavior. I know from my past happenings with him. Phraze is openly defending herself and her response seems like something a town would do, but her wording is strange. |
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Dec 20, 2016 5:21 AM
#911
Less than 4 hours where the _______ is everyone? @DenjaX, @Gruffin do we feel really good about the Phraze lynch? I think I would rather us get rid of one of the just active enough inactive players (I understand Phraze fits). Togs, callmeLuna, and Penta may all be in danger of being modkilled. PentaFlare missed the first 48 hour Day phase, Now they have made 3 posts (the min requirement) and nothing else. Left a vote on Gruffin who most town read at this point in time. I didn't mind that vote at first but the fact that it's a page 5 vote and it's still sitting there with no new reasoning or posts bugs me. |
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Dec 20, 2016 5:27 AM
#912
Rinto-kun said: Wording is always strange with Phraze. I had a similar situation come up in Hirugashi where my vote allowed for a lynch lock to happen. I felt horrible afterward and I would like to avoid a similar situation from happening. I could honestly see Phraze and DenjaX being a Town vs. Town thing but I want need to hear what others think. logic340 said: @Rinto-kun what is your take on the Phraze/DenjaX interaction? Who do you think is town and who do you think is scum? I'm rather inclined to trust Denja because he rarely displays a proactive behavior. I know from my past happenings with him. Phraze is openly defending herself and her response seems like something a town would do, but her wording is strange. You have tied the vote with you vote on Togs are you going for a second no-lynch or will you make a move accordingly before that happens? |
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Dec 20, 2016 5:40 AM
#913
@Togs I see you are online right now care to share some thoughts on the current game state? |
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Dec 20, 2016 5:42 AM
#914
@-shad- You were online 45 minutes ago you couldn't have checked into the thread while you were here? Edit: Typo |
logic340Dec 20, 2016 5:54 AM
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Dec 20, 2016 5:43 AM
#915
@Karote I see you are currently online are you catching up? |
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Dec 20, 2016 5:49 AM
#916
@KOta I guess you forgot about the game again??? |
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Dec 20, 2016 5:57 AM
#917
Taking bus home from school but yea, I do read when I get the chance. |
Dec 20, 2016 5:58 AM
#918
Dec 20, 2016 6:03 AM
#919
Any thoughts on the current game state? The rampant inactivity? Danja/Phraze? A viable lynch target? How do you feel about my write up on Togs? |
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Dec 20, 2016 6:17 AM
#920
Sorry yes I was,I was trying to understand what phraze is going through with denja and what the basis of it kinda still catching up. I do hope phraze reconsider not quitting the game Edit : remove the quote I had with logic quoting karote. This is why I never used mobile to read |
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Dec 20, 2016 6:18 AM
#921
logic340 said: @-shad- You were online 45 minutes ago you couldn't have checked into the thread while you were here? Edit: Typo Actually can you link me where the first fight happened between Denja and phraze the part where it started and stuff like that |
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Dec 20, 2016 6:24 AM
#922
LET'S DO THIS D1 everybody I tried to keep it as accurate as possible to original notes I took. I ran out of paper after I ran out of post-it notes, so no more real notes. I apologize for a lot of it being just recap for me personally and close reading so things you guys will probably find inconsequential, but if I took notes on it, then there's probably a reason I took notes for it, (much of it to see how it the thread plays out so I can go back and look at interactions if need be). And, indeed, some places I go back and interact with the notes I took previously, so try n keep up, k? Some of its even dialogue with shin b/c some of his play was pretty janky. And yeah, I know it's long, But I'm tryna make up for a game my slot maybe has 5 good posts in a set of almost 20 pages. I read and responded/analyzed/ questioned as I read, so I apologize if some of these have already been answered, a lot of the rest is just info and summary. Logic--> Luna Gruf-->Logic Shad-->Gruf Luna-->Shad Phraze-->Denja Shin-->Chione #17 Shin standing up for inactives, ha Karote-->Denja Ruu-->Denja Chione-->Kit #23 Chione pressures logic to back off luna? also, tf is that question, it's rvs #25 Karote wants a train, seems preh NAI to me, but dissuading early vote analysis in 26? not cool, never too soon to start! Gruffin clutches 27 and slams both shin and chione, niiicceeee Gruff gives chione some of her own medicine in #35, hand those questions right back man #40 Shin being a bum and dissuading early trains, c'mon man #41 Bruh, there is a direct counter to this argument, scum can literally hide on any wagon on town. Just because it's early doesn't mean trains are hands-off just because scum can be on them. Shit, we want that so we can oust them later, but no flips/search party jank make this difficult. #43 yeah, logic backing me up on this Phraze even backs this up too #46 Chione pushes on logic for having a vote on a person who's posted in the game and is active?? #47Karote being cautious in RVS, HA #50 Shin, wtf, throwing in the towel before the game's begun #52 Ruu's "Maybe we'll get lucky" comment almost as bad as shin's no train philosophy? Maybe? #53 Logic follows up with a good question pressuring Chione. (It's good because it's a trick q), logic knows my man Fo too, whatta legend amirite? Rinto --> Penta #67 Karote wants a counter-train and asks Gruffin to do it with him; why Gruffin? #68 Gruff supports the notion b/c he's town leaning Logic now, no? Guess he's out of RVS. #71 Rinto hates trains too? Where is all this hate coming from??? #72 Blah blah Logic calls for town cooperation in the early game banter banter #73 Shin continues jank D1 play by saying it's good to focus on multiple people, but then does nothing? whatta bum #75 Gruff: "I have no reason to poke you, just carry on with what you're doing :P" Duality? Buddying? Or does it read in context with the town lean he was forming posts before? #78 Shin hounds Phraze for sheeping his logic, but why? I thought Phraze was joking when he made that comment #80 Ok shin, when is it not too early to start a train? huh? At this point you're just impeding town shooting down those juicy wagons. #83 Kit--> Logic, you sure we aren't out of RVS yet? Rinot fluffs #85Gruff wants to see some kind of plan from shin to "ensure we lynch scum"? Sorry bud, if I had one of those this game would be too easy. #86 Gruff---> Shin and wants the yung wagon #88 Logic: "Hey guys, I'm not scum, did I mention I'm not scum?" logic--> Shin, sheeps Gruff and asks for reasons, bleh #90 gruff hands it right back to Logic #91 Kit's sus of Karote, claims he's warping words? #92 Logic says shin's posts are NAI for him, and backs it up with a bit o meta, but he is suspicious of Karote. #95 Kit confirms her suspicions on Karot Kit--> Karot, and quotes her reasons. Honestly, this is a pretty solid vote for being so early in the phase. Going after him for the contradiction looks golden, so is going after Karot for putting words in phraze's mouth Denja's first post: something something trump cards, DOESN'T HAVE A VOTE! SUSPICIOUS! #103 gruff: "Yeah, Karot or Shin train, take yer pick" Both are suspicious for him atm? #108 Togs-->Penta YEAH, lynch Penta!!! Denja-->Chione YEah, lynch chione b/c she's German!!! Gamesolved. #110 Karote responds to Kit's post and pins blame on her? #111 karote shrugs off Kit's vote denouncing it as RVS shite- total downplay man, why tho? #114 Kit implies Karote was one misrepping, not her, and even spells it out for Karot. #116 Logic backs up Kit and says Karot's mad sus oss. #119 Kit thinks calling for a counter train was "scum luring"? Wouldn't that make gruff in the red too since he was all about that when karot brought it up? #123 Gruff: kit's analysis was part conf. bias in the politest way possible, good to know? #128 Denja enters stage right with some random setup questions. #131 Gruff-->Karrot for being contradictory, coolio #135 Denja-->Karote blatant sheep, low-effort envelope push of a vote #136 Kit steps in and is all like nah fam, explain yourself, something I probably woulda done #137 Gruf makes it perfectly clear that both Shin and Karot are on his list, though he's obv going for karot. Uncertain of Shin? dw, I would be to with the way he was playing #139 Karote says Shin's accusation was a joke whil kit's was serious. good to know this slot's being taken seriously. Logic<--Shin #153 Karot mudslings Kota and Shad? Heat too much fam? #154 Gruff flip flops on Karote and then announces a brand-new neutral read on em! Hooray! Karote<--Denja #157 from Denja is p-terrible. Do I know what town [/i]truly[/i] does? I don't get this line of questioning at all??? #158 Denja: "I don't post a lot" scoff, something something, I've got a plan but I'm not going to tell ANY of you what it is something something. "Did I mention I'm town guyz?" #163 Kit proposes NL, SHUT IT DOWN: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?p=2707177#p2707177 In total, we need that juicy (latent) info #166 from Gruff might not look like a bad idea from the get-go, but it's actully p-harmful for town if we save all out shots for the late game and here's why: what about the middle game? In order to check ourselves we have these tools that are essentially checkpoints almost in knowing if we're going in the right direction or failing in doing so, thus we really want to make the most out of each one, no? It's good to sperse them out over the course of the game so we can get the widest picture of who's actually getting lynched. #168 Gruf: "Denja's ideas and plan is dumb" but what is Denja's plan!!??!!?? OoooOoo #169 DenjaX said: Lmao.Karote said: Either that or you fail again this time which I reckon similar things occurred before. xDDLmao. I also believe there are 4 mafias in this game. It fits perfectly with 3:1 ratio and everyone are vanillas. Anything less or more of that would be considered imbalanced in my book xDD #178 Denja: blah odds blah when do we use the searches guys? We've already got Kit and gruff working 24 hour shifts on that #180 Kit, -snip- see my comment on 166, spreadin them out best plan N/A #182 Logic wants lurkers lynched over a NL? That might be a step up but we still learn close to jack. #183 Kit is enlightened with the benefits of lynching? Hooray, problem worked itself out. #193 where are all these TvT dialogues Logic says he's seeing? #196 Why re you doing this in a mountainous game? What purpose does it serve? @ Denja #198 Ruu suspects Denja for meta reasons, as well as Karote? So they're introducing the prospect of bussing in the early game? Or more the "one could be town one could be scum, but don't know which" mentality? Ruu's had her vote on Denja since RVS... wuhh? #200 Denja, sq, what would a compromise lynch achieve at this stage in the game? This is actually more of a red flag for scum because no way should town be opting for any kind of comp. lynch this early in the game. #205 Ruu wants to meta Denja? Even though she said she's keeping her vote on him largely for meta, she's unfamiliar with his town meta? k #208 Gruff Knowledge bombs the shit out of Ruu's previous logic, doesn't feel like scum coaching, which is good. #209 Denja doesn't want to give a single town game to Ruu? That's just straight anti-town. If someone wants to put in the extra effort to go out of their way and try to cold-meta somebody, they're probably going to haul ass with their read on, and a good portion of the time, that work pays off. Why would Denja be impeding Ruu to develop a read on him? Wouldn't town!Denja be all for it? #210 Gruff: scumconfs Denja as a joke but that's just ironic man. #212 Kit Wifoms hard at the bottom of her post while she tries to predict scumkills. This is why town gets pocketed in the first place! In other words, I thinking this is actually a towntell on Kit's part b/c the logic she uses here is almost a slip that she's viewing the game solely from town perspective and wifoms trying to explain what she thinks the scum will do, ( b/c she doesn't know). #215 Denja denies Ruu, but digs for that old game just for Gruff's sake? Whatta sweet guy, def not an indication of playin favorites #226 Shin berates everyone for posting so much with a "u guys succk" then proceeds to fluff, how quaint. #227 Then Gruf smashes Kaito's face in with "Better than being in RVS!" dammnnn, is he gonna take that??? #229 Shin just straight up denies Gruff elaboration on his only scumread, mannnn, you left me with One of THOSE slots huh? #230 Rinto drops a list of inactive players then ducks out again... expecting... what? Something to make them active? #235 Shin TRs Karot??? Why did I do that me? #239 >something with Karote peaks shin's interest? excitement is a town tell for Karot? ...how? #246 Sq, finally a question worth asking, thank you previous slot owner. tingle and shad enter the game, but neither say anything that grabs my attention. #259 Phraze wants readslists from everybody? Where's yours? Also, is that a TL on Karot I spy? #275 Logic issues a "get the lurkers" revival when town really needs a "scumhunt" revival #278 Gruff has no scumreads? Nada? Everyone else aside from Logic and Kit are null? C'mon man. Ohh, wants more substance before making a list which I can completely understand, but no scumreads? #281 Chione comes in and throws some shade at Logic, WK Denja in the process. Where did her town read on Denja come from? #284 Logic gets riled and hammers chione with questions. #286 Logic tells Chione to go and read before questioning, kinda dismisses her in the process. Doesn't really strike me as vindicated townie so much as rude. #293 Kit agrees with chione about the no reply thing, which is cool, I guess #294 I disagree with Chione that the search party should be used N1, see that previous comment somewhere above At this time, I pretty much have Kit in my town book. That progression on Karot seemed natural and it had solid reasons at the base of the vote despite it being like page 3 #297 Logic --> Shione Vote seems kind of like a playstyle clash to me more than anything. I'm confused if Logic is getting ants in his pants from Chione calling his playstyle weird earlier, or actually thinks she's scum. Also, tf is this "lazy" stuff. #299 Chione--> Logic, where is she seeing all this stuff about Logic "butting in" everywhere and why is it indicative of him being scum? #303 Gotta agree with Chione here, where are these repeated questions even? #308 Togs enters with a bang and gives out a p-handy post of his current thoughts on the game. He tries to meta Logic a bit and comes up with a "tentative TR"? Nothin doing man. The rest is p-much meta I'm unfamiliar with or can't confirm. Wish there was more post related analysis. #311 Denja with hollow threats. Tf this actually rubbed me the wrong way. It's not like Denja to bully people into reading him town, plus that's just a scummy thing to do in general. #317 Denja tryna buy reads leaves a sour taste in my mouth. #319 tf is with this lazy stuff? #325 -snip- major playstyle clash, but Chione may have a point about him "butting in" as she calls it. I still want more elaboration on why she thinks its scum indicative tho. "Lel. I'm completely lost with you now. I thought our ways of thinking might be pretty close, but looks like it isn't after all." this has clash written all over it. Drop it guys, or it ain't TvT. #328 Denja--->Logic, not sure why Denja's taking sides with this as I'm inclined to think it's TvT at this point. #329 Kit defends logic with "his early posts are reactive instead of directive" anybody can fake a reactive post, all you have to do is wait for other people to post then post about their posts. #335 Gruff thinks TvT? He def gets town!Logic from it but I'm like the opposite and get town!Chione more. #345 Huge PbPa on Chione by Logic, I think Logic might be interpreting this "lazy" thing incorrectly. In my mind, it seems perfectly normal that town!Chione is asking similar questions as she catches up with the game. I don't think it's how you make it out to sound like Chione just coopy and pasted these questions from others instead of coming up with them originally as she was reading. Like, she probably does that thing as me where she writes her questions as she catches up, (see catchup). In conclusion tho, this is still probably a clash, which for the most part, is a bit NAI, but in this case I think it does seem more TvT than anything. #348 Boom, logic backs off saying it's TvT, but he also says his vote was for "something that wasn't anything scummy." Defintitely doesn't seem that way jusging by the heateed dialogue you guys just had. #349 Chione thinks he got the questions mixed up because their about completely different people. #353 Turns out, it was all one big misunderstanding!! hahaha #355 Chiopne--> tingle for pressure? #363Denja pulls a scumteam from somewhere down south: Togs, Logic, and Karote? Bruh, I know you just took your top scumreads and lumped them together. I aint seeing the connection XDDDDD #367 Gruff reads are nice, but where's the scum? . Busy . Work . #373 Kit takes some words outta my mouth #381 Ruu--> Karot 1st point on Denja is NAI, Second point Wifoms the shit outta his play, and neither of those answer why you voted for Karote. ??? #388 Bug take away from this is that kota doesn't think that Chione vs. Logic was a TvT, and his reasons a kinda circumstantial. Can he actually retouch upon why he thought this in the thread rn? that would be a pretty cool response to see when I read up to it #389 Denja's endless pasture of sheep, still bloodlusting for logic #393 Gruff: Why would Kit ever move her vote to inactives, that's gross man. Still think Kit's original vote on Karote was solid and it only lost steam b/c Karot's a lurksack interjector. -Kit stands firm with Karote lynch after being questioned by Gruff to switch P.o.a, good for her #410 Ruu gets to the meat of their Karote read, ennnh, it's not too too bad. #416 Kitt sense Karot's weakness and strikes straight for the jugular... ennnh, maybe not, but they do bring up good points about his lurksackiness post-train on him #421 Togs meta's the shit out of Kota and town leans him.... whhhyyyy?? too much meta man #429 Togs' logic on Rinto sits well with me, but going as far as to call it opportunistic? I dun think so #435 Phraze: "Karote, Denja, shad, and Luna are buddying up" yah, no #436 "Karote cares more about self preservation than solving the game" BY JOVE HE'S GOT IT #449 there's scum coaching and town coaching, it's definitely a thing cus he a scum. #461 Phraze, are there any other reasons to suspect Kota other than him being fluffy? #478 "I don't scumhunt D1 cuz I always Ml" no pain, no gain, also ur a liar #484 Karot roasts Kota, but no vote on him? I knew it!! #490 Kota-->Karote BLOOD #504 Logic has a reads list. TRs Togs which is interesting, also says Karot's a spy but where's the vote? #508 Chione--> Kota tryna counter with logic? Didn't you guys just have a family feud or something? #511 Denja accuses Gruff of setting him up for a NK? "bussing the town" isn't a thing man. #515 READS OR ROPE #533 Why is chione so hesitant on Karot and more confident on Kota? CLARIFICATION #540 Oh, ok, that's kind of cut and dry, no? #545 Kit drops it all and votes Kota... plot twist EOD BANTER Phraze-->shad????? So far at EoD my scumreads are looking like Denja, Karote, Ruu, and possibly Phraze. Denja's all over the place with sheeping and doing a lot of things that just aren't really productive to town, some of them even counter productive. He also backs people and sheeps at weird moments, for instance, during the Chione v. Logic fight there's like, no hesitation in taking a side and he immediately jumps on Logic. I don't like it man. I'm not sure I'm a fan to how Karot reacted to all the pressure on him today and Kit hounding him was a stellar thing b/c he's always so annoying to sort in the late game., Ruu didn't even push any of her reads at EoD like wtf, just kinda vote parked on Karote and stood in the background. I really didn't like that. Phraze is weird too b/c what was up with that switch just at EoD? it cost us a lynch and now any search we do N2 is just going to be going back to D1 except with a lynch. IMPORTANT QUESTION: Phraze, wtf was up with that last minute vote bullshittery yesterday? Final note, I'm only doing this for day one to help me sort my thoughts. Anything else I bring up I'll probably have questions on. That's about it, reading rest rn. |
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Dec 20, 2016 6:24 AM
#923
I DID IT |
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Dec 20, 2016 6:36 AM
#924
Phraze said: Gruffin said: Denja was smart enough to make a plan, so he should be smart enough to see my answer. mechanical player desu~@Phraze Why did you answer Denja the way you did? If you are town, wouldn't you want to help us by proving it? in all my games so far, I never asked ppl to claim. it's usually others who asked for it. I rely more on behavior/association/etc. heck it was always (fake)claims that messed up my reading. this setup is esp based on behavior so I'm playing by that, and pffft to claims(tho maybe for Denja). plz no stupid posts... about 3 times I'm dealing with lousy town it's just wowww take meh to paradizo I'm no pro claimer //offgame comment [and do not question my playstyle] if u have doubts about me, pls find it in another way claims+antimechanic setup=solution?? srsly? This line of post makes me thinks that phraze is town this game. Shes sounding like shes a frustrated town, which can happen to players who are town rather than mafia more often than not - as mafia already know who is mafia and who is town. I should know this because it has happened to me before during mahou shoujo crossover and magi. |
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Dec 20, 2016 6:37 AM
#925
Dec 20, 2016 6:40 AM
#926
Dec 20, 2016 6:42 AM
#927
DISCLAIMER: Probably won't vote until I'm 100% caught up, so I'm trying to get through this so there's time to discuss before we're right on top of EoD. |
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Dec 20, 2016 6:43 AM
#928
@Karote About my mini read list, Yeah i know i have not been contributing much the 2 day phases because of presentation and stuff and actually it got postpone to thursday so im like fuq it now since i have only need the touch up stuff to do Sure, i might have caught some scum before, but point me which game where i did contribute much more than what i have been doing this game as i always thought im a passive player? |
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Dec 20, 2016 6:48 AM
#930
-shad- said: logic340 said: @-shad- You were online 45 minutes ago you couldn't have checked into the thread while you were here? Edit: Typo Actually can you link me where the first fight happened between Denja and phraze the part where it started and stuff like that #714 - Phraze and Denja are talking about the lynch tie. [url=https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1576908&show=700#msg49001040]#716[url] - DenjaX responds to #714 and asks Phraze some questions. #720 - Phraze responds to the questions by saying she is not claiming #723 DenjaX's response to Phraze's answer #850 - Denja votes Phraze #880 - Denja asks me to join on Phraze vote #888 - Says she is not going to ruin Denja's plan calls it fluff Everything from here has pretty much been Denja vs. Phraze |
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Dec 20, 2016 6:48 AM
#931
Dec 20, 2016 6:49 AM
#932
logic340 said: -shad- said: logic340 said: @-shad- You were online 45 minutes ago you couldn't have checked into the thread while you were here? Edit: Typo Actually can you link me where the first fight happened between Denja and phraze the part where it started and stuff like that #714 - Phraze and Denja are talking about the lynch tie. [url=https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1576908&show=700#msg49001040]#716[url] - DenjaX responds to #714 and asks Phraze some questions. #720 - Phraze responds to the questions by saying she is not claiming #723 DenjaX's response to Phraze's answer #850 - Denja votes Phraze #880 - Denja asks me to join on Phraze vote #888 - Says she is not going to ruin Denja's plan calls it fluff Everything from here has pretty much been Denja vs. Phraze Thank you time to read ~! |
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Dec 20, 2016 6:52 AM
#933
logic340 said: Rinto-kun said: Wording is always strange with Phraze. I had a similar situation come up in Hirugashi where my vote allowed for a lynch lock to happen. I felt horrible afterward and I would like to avoid a similar situation from happening. I could honestly see Phraze and DenjaX being a Town vs. Town thing but I want need to hear what others think. logic340 said: @Rinto-kun what is your take on the Phraze/DenjaX interaction? Who do you think is town and who do you think is scum? I'm rather inclined to trust Denja because he rarely displays a proactive behavior. I know from my past happenings with him. Phraze is openly defending herself and her response seems like something a town would do, but her wording is strange. You have tied the vote with you vote on Togs are you going for a second no-lynch or will you make a move accordingly before that happens? No idea. Tbh it's more beneficial to us if we don't lynch and risk, but that's only if we're sure in our strategy or have considered any kind of strategy. So yeah, more town-killings will only work in mafia's favor so I'd rather have a minimal death toll. Though if it's inactives, I'd rather kill them. @GermanSpies please kill the inactive players, they ruin the game. ;_; |
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Dec 20, 2016 6:52 AM
#934
I have class until 30 minutes before the phase change. I'll be back then. Hopefully it will be sufficient. |
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Dec 20, 2016 6:53 AM
#935
Gruffin said: -shad- said: What do you find interesting about Togs' read list? Is he townie or scummy to you?Togs - Quiet, but interesting read list. I want to know more of him as i know he can vanished as he is quite busy. KOtA said: Speaking of promises, I'm still waiting on this. How later on are we going to get this reads list from you?i'll give you a read list later on Aplogized didnt get to quite read this. I was leaning towards him as town, but right now im leaning on him as scum because it just reminds me of a playstyle he once did as scum!togs where he will post something really townie in the first day and then get inactive in the next - also quite the same as pirates!togs. With this im voting until togs comes back and tell me whatsup Vadim Togs or until the last hour of phase change |
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Dec 20, 2016 6:53 AM
#936
PentaFlare said: I have class until 30 minutes before the phase change. I'll be back then. Hopefully it will be sufficient. Nope but your activity will be appreciated by the Motherland. |
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Dec 20, 2016 6:54 AM
#937
PentaFlare said: This could actually lead to a panic vote which you accused Gruffin in trying to accomplish while they were actually warning against. Real Life comes first but I would hope that you have something to add when you return. Good luck in class.I have class until 30 minutes before the phase change. I'll be back then. Hopefully it will be sufficient. |
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Dec 20, 2016 6:56 AM
#938
logic340 said: Yknow, I value independent thoughts so if you dont like this lynch anymore, you can switch. Killing inactives was my proposal with mafia and since they killed Kit, they arent complying. I would have promoted to lynch inactives too and then we start the game after getting rid of them.Less than 4 hours where the _______ is everyone? @DenjaX, @Gruffin do we feel really good about the Phraze lynch? I think I would rather us get rid of one of the just active enough inactive players (I understand Phraze fits). Togs, callmeLuna, and Penta may all be in danger of being modkilled. PentaFlare missed the first 48 hour Day phase, Now they have made 3 posts (the min requirement) and nothing else. Left a vote on Gruffin who most town read at this point in time. I didn't mind that vote at first but the fact that it's a page 5 vote and it's still sitting there with no new reasoning or posts bugs me. |
Dec 20, 2016 6:57 AM
#939
logic340 said: Im honestly reading now and i can feel that phraze is just being a frustrated town right now as i got a feeling shes just being overall frustrated like stated in this post. -shad- said: logic340 said: @-shad- You were online 45 minutes ago you couldn't have checked into the thread while you were here? Edit: Typo Actually can you link me where the first fight happened between Denja and phraze the part where it started and stuff like that #714 - Phraze and Denja are talking about the lynch tie. [url=https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1576908&show=700#msg49001040]#716[url] - DenjaX responds to #714 and asks Phraze some questions. #720 - Phraze responds to the questions by saying she is not claiming #723 DenjaX's response to Phraze's answer #850 - Denja votes Phraze #880 - Denja asks me to join on Phraze vote #888 - Says she is not going to ruin Denja's plan calls it fluff Everything from here has pretty much been Denja vs. Phraze here Denja i dont really trust him just yet, as i know he can be a formidable mafia if he is one which is why people tend to aim on him early. Sorry bruthur you know its true The reason why i only trusted denja in the idol mafia was because i know he was a town that game. This game speaks different as i do not know denja's role is for real. |
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Dec 20, 2016 6:58 AM
#940
Rinto-kun said: logic340 said: Rinto-kun said: logic340 said: @Rinto-kun what is your take on the Phraze/DenjaX interaction? Who do you think is town and who do you think is scum? I'm rather inclined to trust Denja because he rarely displays a proactive behavior. I know from my past happenings with him. Phraze is openly defending herself and her response seems like something a town would do, but her wording is strange. You have tied the vote with you vote on Togs are you going for a second no-lynch or will you make a move accordingly before that happens? No idea. Tbh it's more beneficial to us if we don't lynch and risk, but that's only if we're sure in our strategy or have considered any kind of strategy. So yeah, more town-killings will only work in mafia's favor so I'd rather have a minimal death toll. Though if it's inactives, I'd rather kill them. @GermanSpies please kill the inactive players, they ruin the game. ;_; At this point I don't think a no-lynch is beneficial to us at all. Lynching is our only way to kill scum and if we got with a no-lynch again then we have wasted 2 opportunities to get them. I know there is risk involved but that is what we are going to have to do if we want things to start progressing. I second the request to the German spies. If they kill another active player I will be highly upset at the level of difficulty this Mafia team wants to win with. |
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Dec 20, 2016 7:01 AM
#941
-shad- said: I think if you look at this setup with Denja's actions you should be able to determine where his behavior (motivation) is coming from. Do you think I am town at this time? Do you trust any of my reads?logic340 said: Im honestly reading now and i can feel that phraze is just being a frustrated town right now as i got a feeling shes just being overall frustrated like stated in this post. -shad- said: logic340 said: @-shad- You were online 45 minutes ago you couldn't have checked into the thread while you were here? Edit: Typo Actually can you link me where the first fight happened between Denja and phraze the part where it started and stuff like that #714 - Phraze and Denja are talking about the lynch tie. [url=https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1576908&show=700#msg49001040]#716[url] - DenjaX responds to #714 and asks Phraze some questions. #720 - Phraze responds to the questions by saying she is not claiming #723 DenjaX's response to Phraze's answer #850 - Denja votes Phraze #880 - Denja asks me to join on Phraze vote #888 - Says she is not going to ruin Denja's plan calls it fluff Everything from here has pretty much been Denja vs. Phraze here Denja i dont really trust him just yet, as i know he can be a formidable mafia if he is one which is why people tend to aim on him early. Sorry bruthur you know its true The reason why i only trusted denja in the idol mafia was because i know he was a town that game. This game speaks different as i do not know denja's role is for real. Town: DenjaX, Logic340, Chione, Kit Possible town: Gruffin, Rinto-kun Complete unknown: Sodalicious_, LucianRoy, callmeLuna Neutral: Phraze, PentaFlare, Ruu I don't know if I'm neutral on then or scum: Karote, KOta Scum lean: Togs, -shad- |
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Dec 20, 2016 7:02 AM
#942
☭ Vadim's List 2.2 ☭ [4] Togs ✖ Chione, Phraze, Rinto-kun, -shad- [3] Phraze ✖ DenjaX, logic340, Gruffin [1] -shad- ✖ Karote [1] KOtA ✖ [1] Gruffin ✖ PentaFlare Neglect of Duty || Togs, Ruu, Sodalicious_, KOtA, LucianRoy, callmeLuna Mod Notes - Suspicion History Day 2 Gruffin▐ Ruu ➛ Phraze DenjaX▐ Karote ➛ Phraze logic340▐ Sodalicious_ ➛ Togs ➛ Phraze Togs▐ Rinto-kun▐ Togs Ruu▐ Phraze▐ Togs TingleSodalicious_▐ KOtA▐ Chione▐ Togs Karote▐ -shad- Shinichi-KunLucianRoy▐ PentaFlare▐ Gruffin -shad-▐ KOtA ➛ Togs callmeLuna▐ Day 1 Gruffin▐ logic340 ➛ Shinichi-Kun ➛ Karote➛ Unvote ➛KOtA ➛ Karote DenjaX▐ Chione ➛ Karote ➛ logic340 ➛ Karote logic340▐ callmeLuna ➛ Shinichi-Kun ➛ Unvote ➛ Chione ➛ Unvote ➛ Tingle Togs▐ PentaFlare ➛ Unvote Rinto-kun▐ PentaFlare ➛ KOtA Ruu▐ DenjaX ➛ Karote Phraze▐ DenjaX ➛ KOtA ➛ -shad- Tingle▐ KOtA▐ Karote Chione▐ Kit ➛ logic340 ➛ Tingle ➛ KOtA Karote▐ DenjaX ➛ Unvote ➛ KOtA Shinichi-Kun▐ Chione PentaFlare▐ Kit▐ logic340 ➛ Karote ➛ KOtA -shad-▐ Gruffin callmeLuna▐ -shad- |
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Dec 20, 2016 7:07 AM
#943
logic340 said: -shad- said: I think if you look at this setup with Denja's actions you should be able to determine where his behavior (motivation) is coming from. Do you think I am town at this time? Do you trust any of my reads?logic340 said: -shad- said: logic340 said: @-shad- You were online 45 minutes ago you couldn't have checked into the thread while you were here? Edit: Typo Actually can you link me where the first fight happened between Denja and phraze the part where it started and stuff like that #714 - Phraze and Denja are talking about the lynch tie. [url=https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1576908&show=700#msg49001040]#716[url] - DenjaX responds to #714 and asks Phraze some questions. #720 - Phraze responds to the questions by saying she is not claiming #723 DenjaX's response to Phraze's answer #850 - Denja votes Phraze #880 - Denja asks me to join on Phraze vote #888 - Says she is not going to ruin Denja's plan calls it fluff Everything from here has pretty much been Denja vs. Phraze here Denja i dont really trust him just yet, as i know he can be a formidable mafia if he is one which is why people tend to aim on him early. Sorry bruthur you know its true The reason why i only trusted denja in the idol mafia was because i know he was a town that game. This game speaks different as i do not know denja's role is for real. Town: DenjaX, Logic340, Chione, Kit Possible town: Gruffin, Rinto-kun Complete unknown: Sodalicious_, LucianRoy, callmeLuna Neutral: Phraze, PentaFlare, Ruu I don't know if I'm neutral on then or scum: Karote, KOta Scum lean: Togs, -shad- True you might be able to determine is action and behaviour, but i know how denja thinks 4 steps infront other players when his mafia. So im pretty sure he got that in check when he rolled with what he had with his actions that he choose to do. I believe for right now that you are town as well as chione and right now phraze as well. My town is - Phraze / Logic / Chione / Kit / Me Possible - Gruffin Neutral - Ruu Unknown - Soda / Lucian / Luna/ Pentaflare / Denjax Unable to read - Karote Possible scum - KOta Scum lean - Togs Its just that togs rubs me the wrong way with what his doing as he is so alike with his previous playstyle where he rolled scum. Ruu is neutral cause she havent post much inputs. |
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Dec 20, 2016 7:09 AM
#944
aa-dono said: ☭ Vadim's List 2.2 ☭ [2] Togs ✖ Chione, Phraze, Rinto-kun [2] Phraze ✖ DenjaX, logic340, Gruffin [1] -shad- ✖ Karote [1] KOtA ✖ -shad- [1] Gruffin ✖ PentaFlare Neglect of Duty || Togs, Ruu, Sodalicious_, KOtA, LucianRoy, callmeLuna Mod Notes - Suspicion History Day 2 Gruffin▐ Ruu ➛ Phraze DenjaX▐ Karote ➛ Phraze logic340▐ Sodalicious_ ➛ Togs ➛ Phraze Togs▐ Rinto-kun▐ Togs Ruu▐ Phraze▐ Togs TingleSodalicious_▐ KOtA▐ Chione▐ Togs Karote▐ -shad- Shinichi-KunLucianRoy▐ PentaFlare▐ Gruffin -shad-▐ KOtA callmeLuna▐ Day 1 Gruffin▐ logic340 ➛ Shinichi-Kun ➛ Karote➛ Unvote ➛KOtA ➛ Karote DenjaX▐ Chione ➛ Karote ➛ logic340 ➛ Karote logic340▐ callmeLuna ➛ Shinichi-Kun ➛ Unvote ➛ Chione ➛ Unvote ➛ Tingle Togs▐ PentaFlare ➛ Unvote Rinto-kun▐ PentaFlare ➛ KOtA Ruu▐ DenjaX ➛ Karote Phraze▐ DenjaX ➛ KOtA ➛ -shad- Tingle▐ KOtA▐ Karote Chione▐ Kit ➛ logic340 ➛ Tingle ➛ KOtA Karote▐ DenjaX ➛ Unvote ➛ KOtA Shinichi-Kun▐ Chione PentaFlare▐ Kit▐ logic340 ➛ Karote ➛ KOtA -shad-▐ Gruffin callmeLuna▐ -shad- puffy mcpuffy, i voted togs. here |
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Dec 20, 2016 7:16 AM
#945
Fixed. |
Dec 20, 2016 7:23 AM
#946
Sorry about that I’m here. I seem to be the consensus scumread for some reason, sorry to disappoint though but I’m not getting lynched toDay. [2] Togs ✖ Chione, Phraze, Rinto-kun (Shad) My Yatagarasu senses are telling me there’s scum somewhere on here. Will keep it in mind for poe purposes.-shad- said: Didn’t I literally not post in that game though and replaced outGruffin said: -shad- said: Togs - Quiet, but interesting read list. I want to know more of him as i know he can vanished as he is quite busy. KOtA said: i'll give you a read list later on Aplogized didnt get to quite read this. I was leaning towards him as town, but right now im leaning on him as scum because it just reminds me of a playstyle he once did as scum!togs where he will post something really townie in the first day and then get inactive in the next - also quite the same as pirates!togs. With this im voting until togs comes back and tell me whatsup Vadim Togs or until the last hour of phase change logic340 said: Why’s your vote on a neutral read and not on a scum read ?Town: DenjaX, Logic340, Chione, Kit Possible town: Gruffin, Rinto-kun Complete unknown: Sodalicious_, LucianRoy, callmeLuna Neutral: Phraze, PentaFlare, Ruu I don't know if I'm neutral on then or scum: Karote, KOta Scum lean: Togs, -shad- |
Dec 20, 2016 7:26 AM
#947
@logic340 The post itself looks fluffy but from my point of view it was put out there to see how you would react. I honestly would have liked to see you answer the questions. We can make a behavioral read based on the fact that you chose not to answer them. The question becomes why did she answer? If you see what Denja is doing then you should see the town motive behind right? How does following Denja's plan further ruin town? If anything Denja has been very helpful especially when you compare him to all the inactive players. I think a lot of people are purposely avoiding Denja (particularly scum) because his play style can cause them to slip up. yes I see the town motive, but it is also from someone who specializes in mechanics. I don't trust it and stick by town neutral for him. and isn't that the reason for inactivity? he's scaring the fish away. this is harming town more than not.1. Disagreeing with methods is fine but trying to understand the reason behind the motive is what you need to be looking at. I did understand the motive behind Denja's strategy and went with it, but it was ruining out alternative form of analysis - behavior.2. What I would consider to be the townwreck is the fact that more than half of us have been idle and inactive. 3. I this is all kinds of hard to read because the VC was wrong. So we have to think about what people's motives for the moves where when considering what the state of the VC was. You cannot say that Rinto saved so-and-so by making it a tie when they thought they were putting the person they voted for in the lead. This is just an example I haven't even tried to figure those reasons out yet. @Phraze DenjaX, Me, and Gruffin do you think we are town or scum? as for Rinto(again), Kit claimed a tie but Denja broke it with Karote. Karote was at most in 1 vote lead. I shifted from Kota since Rinto appeared in case he wanted to vote Kota too. the Karote train took a supposed 2 vote lead. now I shifted my vote almost exactly the same time Rinto voted for Kota. Rinto's voting Kota and my vote left there would've made a supposed tie for the 2nd time. that means Rinto would've caused a tie. turns out when official votecount appeared, Kota should've been in the lead had I stayed my vote....not a tie as I expected. Rinto's vote was intended to make a supposed tie with my vote there, but I moved my vote. |
Dec 20, 2016 7:27 AM
#949
LucianRoy said: Thank you for putting this out there. OH man it's so refreshing to get a different take on things. My playstyle can be a little brash at time. I called Fo "a cancer to the game" in Hirugashi before I finally realized what his playstyle was like and how it was actually a benefit to town. I love Fo he taught me so much and even though I was kind of an ass to him he kept on working with me. I have noticed that I tend to get into at least one seriously heated discussion per game and usually early (Grave_robber, Fo, and now Chione). Even though it was due to a misunderstanding I like that it allowed us to get to know one another a little bit and I am glad there wasn't too much irepreable damage done, we can still talk (loved this comment "#508 Chione--> Kota tryna counter with logic? Didn't you guys just have a family feud or something?"). My town read on Togs was meta based but Phraze brought up a good point. The one game I played with Togs as Scum he was loverized which probably affected how he plays as scum. Other than that I got some good vibes from him early but not so much anymore. I did a write up on Togs and voted for him early at this point he is currently my best scum lead.LET'S DO THIS D1 everybody I tried to keep it as accurate as possible to original notes I took. I ran out of paper after I ran out of post-it notes, so no more real notes. I apologize for a lot of it being just recap for me personally and close reading so things you guys will probably find inconsequential, but if I took notes on it, then there's probably a reason I took notes for it, (much of it to see how it the thread plays out so I can go back and look at interactions if need be). And, indeed, some places I go back and interact with the notes I took previously, so try n keep up, k? Some of its even dialogue with shin b/c some of his play was pretty janky. And yeah, I know it's long, But I'm tryna make up for a game my slot maybe has 5 good posts in a set of almost 20 pages. I read and responded/analyzed/ questioned as I read, so I apologize if some of these have already been answered, a lot of the rest is just info and summary. Logic--> Luna Gruf-->Logic Shad-->Gruf Luna-->Shad Phraze-->Denja Shin-->Chione #17 Shin standing up for inactives, ha Karote-->Denja Ruu-->Denja Chione-->Kit #23 Chione pressures logic to back off luna? also, tf is that question, it's rvs #25 Karote wants a train, seems preh NAI to me, but dissuading early vote analysis in 26? not cool, never too soon to start! Gruffin clutches 27 and slams both shin and chione, niiicceeee Gruff gives chione some of her own medicine in #35, hand those questions right back man #40 Shin being a bum and dissuading early trains, c'mon man #41 Bruh, there is a direct counter to this argument, scum can literally hide on any wagon on town. Just because it's early doesn't mean trains are hands-off just because scum can be on them. Shit, we want that so we can oust them later, but no flips/search party jank make this difficult. #43 yeah, logic backing me up on this Phraze even backs this up too #46 Chione pushes on logic for having a vote on a person who's posted in the game and is active?? #47Karote being cautious in RVS, HA #50 Shin, wtf, throwing in the towel before the game's begun #52 Ruu's "Maybe we'll get lucky" comment almost as bad as shin's no train philosophy? Maybe? #53 Logic follows up with a good question pressuring Chione. (It's good because it's a trick q), logic knows my man Fo too, whatta legend amirite? Rinto --> Penta #67 Karote wants a counter-train and asks Gruffin to do it with him; why Gruffin? #68 Gruff supports the notion b/c he's town leaning Logic now, no? Guess he's out of RVS. #71 Rinto hates trains too? Where is all this hate coming from??? #72 Blah blah Logic calls for town cooperation in the early game banter banter #73 Shin continues jank D1 play by saying it's good to focus on multiple people, but then does nothing? whatta bum #75 Gruff: "I have no reason to poke you, just carry on with what you're doing :P" Duality? Buddying? Or does it read in context with the town lean he was forming posts before? #78 Shin hounds Phraze for sheeping his logic, but why? I thought Phraze was joking when he made that comment #80 Ok shin, when is it not too early to start a train? huh? At this point you're just impeding town shooting down those juicy wagons. #83 Kit--> Logic, you sure we aren't out of RVS yet? Rinot fluffs #85Gruff wants to see some kind of plan from shin to "ensure we lynch scum"? Sorry bud, if I had one of those this game would be too easy. #86 Gruff---> Shin and wants the yung wagon #88 Logic: "Hey guys, I'm not scum, did I mention I'm not scum?" logic--> Shin, sheeps Gruff and asks for reasons, bleh #90 gruff hands it right back to Logic #91 Kit's sus of Karote, claims he's warping words? #92 Logic says shin's posts are NAI for him, and backs it up with a bit o meta, but he is suspicious of Karote. #95 Kit confirms her suspicions on Karot Kit--> Karot, and quotes her reasons. Honestly, this is a pretty solid vote for being so early in the phase. Going after him for the contradiction looks golden, so is going after Karot for putting words in phraze's mouth Denja's first post: something something trump cards, DOESN'T HAVE A VOTE! SUSPICIOUS! #103 gruff: "Yeah, Karot or Shin train, take yer pick" Both are suspicious for him atm? #108 Togs-->Penta YEAH, lynch Penta!!! Denja-->Chione YEah, lynch chione b/c she's German!!! Gamesolved. #110 Karote responds to Kit's post and pins blame on her? #111 karote shrugs off Kit's vote denouncing it as RVS shite- total downplay man, why tho? #114 Kit implies Karote was one misrepping, not her, and even spells it out for Karot. #116 Logic backs up Kit and says Karot's mad sus oss. #119 Kit thinks calling for a counter train was "scum luring"? Wouldn't that make gruff in the red too since he was all about that when karot brought it up? #123 Gruff: kit's analysis was part conf. bias in the politest way possible, good to know? #128 Denja enters stage right with some random setup questions. #131 Gruff-->Karrot for being contradictory, coolio #135 Denja-->Karote blatant sheep, low-effort envelope push of a vote #136 Kit steps in and is all like nah fam, explain yourself, something I probably woulda done #137 Gruf makes it perfectly clear that both Shin and Karot are on his list, though he's obv going for karot. Uncertain of Shin? dw, I would be to with the way he was playing #139 Karote says Shin's accusation was a joke whil kit's was serious. good to know this slot's being taken seriously. Logic<--Shin #153 Karot mudslings Kota and Shad? Heat too much fam? #154 Gruff flip flops on Karote and then announces a brand-new neutral read on em! Hooray! Karote<--Denja #157 from Denja is p-terrible. Do I know what town [/i]truly[/i] does? I don't get this line of questioning at all??? #158 Denja: "I don't post a lot" scoff, something something, I've got a plan but I'm not going to tell ANY of you what it is something something. "Did I mention I'm town guyz?" #163 Kit proposes NL, SHUT IT DOWN: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?p=2707177#p2707177 In total, we need that juicy (latent) info #166 from Gruff might not look like a bad idea from the get-go, but it's actully p-harmful for town if we save all out shots for the late game and here's why: what about the middle game? In order to check ourselves we have these tools that are essentially checkpoints almost in knowing if we're going in the right direction or failing in doing so, thus we really want to make the most out of each one, no? It's good to sperse them out over the course of the game so we can get the widest picture of who's actually getting lynched. #168 Gruf: "Denja's ideas and plan is dumb" but what is Denja's plan!!??!!?? OoooOoo #169 DenjaX said: Lmao.Karote said: Lmao. I also believe there are 4 mafias in this game. It fits perfectly with 3:1 ratio and everyone are vanillas. Anything less or more of that would be considered imbalanced in my book xDD #178 Denja: blah odds blah when do we use the searches guys? We've already got Kit and gruff working 24 hour shifts on that #180 Kit, -snip- see my comment on 166, spreadin them out best plan N/A #182 Logic wants lurkers lynched over a NL? That might be a step up but we still learn close to jack. #183 Kit is enlightened with the benefits of lynching? Hooray, problem worked itself out. #193 where are all these TvT dialogues Logic says he's seeing? #196 Why re you doing this in a mountainous game? What purpose does it serve? @ Denja #198 Ruu suspects Denja for meta reasons, as well as Karote? So they're introducing the prospect of bussing in the early game? Or more the "one could be town one could be scum, but don't know which" mentality? Ruu's had her vote on Denja since RVS... wuhh? #200 Denja, sq, what would a compromise lynch achieve at this stage in the game? This is actually more of a red flag for scum because no way should town be opting for any kind of comp. lynch this early in the game. #205 Ruu wants to meta Denja? Even though she said she's keeping her vote on him largely for meta, she's unfamiliar with his town meta? k #208 Gruff Knowledge bombs the shit out of Ruu's previous logic, doesn't feel like scum coaching, which is good. #209 Denja doesn't want to give a single town game to Ruu? That's just straight anti-town. If someone wants to put in the extra effort to go out of their way and try to cold-meta somebody, they're probably going to haul ass with their read on, and a good portion of the time, that work pays off. Why would Denja be impeding Ruu to develop a read on him? Wouldn't town!Denja be all for it? #210 Gruff: scumconfs Denja as a joke but that's just ironic man. #212 Kit Wifoms hard at the bottom of her post while she tries to predict scumkills. This is why town gets pocketed in the first place! In other words, I thinking this is actually a towntell on Kit's part b/c the logic she uses here is almost a slip that she's viewing the game solely from town perspective and wifoms trying to explain what she thinks the scum will do, ( b/c she doesn't know). #215 Denja denies Ruu, but digs for that old game just for Gruff's sake? Whatta sweet guy, def not an indication of playin favorites #226 Shin berates everyone for posting so much with a "u guys succk" then proceeds to fluff, how quaint. #227 Then Gruf smashes Kaito's face in with "Better than being in RVS!" dammnnn, is he gonna take that??? #229 Shin just straight up denies Gruff elaboration on his only scumread, mannnn, you left me with One of THOSE slots huh? #230 Rinto drops a list of inactive players then ducks out again... expecting... what? Something to make them active? #235 Shin TRs Karot??? Why did I do that me? #239 >something with Karote peaks shin's interest? excitement is a town tell for Karot? ...how? #246 Sq, finally a question worth asking, thank you previous slot owner. tingle and shad enter the game, but neither say anything that grabs my attention. #259 Phraze wants readslists from everybody? Where's yours? Also, is that a TL on Karot I spy? #275 Logic issues a "get the lurkers" revival when town really needs a "scumhunt" revival #278 Gruff has no scumreads? Nada? Everyone else aside from Logic and Kit are null? C'mon man. Ohh, wants more substance before making a list which I can completely understand, but no scumreads? #281 Chione comes in and throws some shade at Logic, WK Denja in the process. Where did her town read on Denja come from? #284 Logic gets riled and hammers chione with questions. #286 Logic tells Chione to go and read before questioning, kinda dismisses her in the process. Doesn't really strike me as vindicated townie so much as rude. #293 Kit agrees with chione about the no reply thing, which is cool, I guess #294 I disagree with Chione that the search party should be used N1, see that previous comment somewhere above At this time, I pretty much have Kit in my town book. That progression on Karot seemed natural and it had solid reasons at the base of the vote despite it being like page 3 #297 Logic --> Shione Vote seems kind of like a playstyle clash to me more than anything. I'm confused if Logic is getting ants in his pants from Chione calling his playstyle weird earlier, or actually thinks she's scum. Also, tf is this "lazy" stuff. #299 Chione--> Logic, where is she seeing all this stuff about Logic "butting in" everywhere and why is it indicative of him being scum? #303 Gotta agree with Chione here, where are these repeated questions even? #308 Togs enters with a bang and gives out a p-handy post of his current thoughts on the game. He tries to meta Logic a bit and comes up with a "tentative TR"? Nothin doing man. The rest is p-much meta I'm unfamiliar with or can't confirm. Wish there was more post related analysis. #311 Denja with hollow threats. Tf this actually rubbed me the wrong way. It's not like Denja to bully people into reading him town, plus that's just a scummy thing to do in general. #317 Denja tryna buy reads leaves a sour taste in my mouth. #319 tf is with this lazy stuff? #325 -snip- major playstyle clash, but Chione may have a point about him "butting in" as she calls it. I still want more elaboration on why she thinks its scum indicative tho. "Lel. I'm completely lost with you now. I thought our ways of thinking might be pretty close, but looks like it isn't after all." this has clash written all over it. Drop it guys, or it ain't TvT. #328 Denja--->Logic, not sure why Denja's taking sides with this as I'm inclined to think it's TvT at this point. #329 Kit defends logic with "his early posts are reactive instead of directive" anybody can fake a reactive post, all you have to do is wait for other people to post then post about their posts. #335 Gruff thinks TvT? He def gets town!Logic from it but I'm like the opposite and get town!Chione more. #345 Huge PbPa on Chione by Logic, I think Logic might be interpreting this "lazy" thing incorrectly. In my mind, it seems perfectly normal that town!Chione is asking similar questions as she catches up with the game. I don't think it's how you make it out to sound like Chione just coopy and pasted these questions from others instead of coming up with them originally as she was reading. Like, she probably does that thing as me where she writes her questions as she catches up, (see catchup). In conclusion tho, this is still probably a clash, which for the most part, is a bit NAI, but in this case I think it does seem more TvT than anything. #348 Boom, logic backs off saying it's TvT, but he also says his vote was for "something that wasn't anything scummy." Defintitely doesn't seem that way jusging by the heateed dialogue you guys just had. #349 Chione thinks he got the questions mixed up because their about completely different people. #353 Turns out, it was all one big misunderstanding!! hahaha #355 Chiopne--> tingle for pressure? #363Denja pulls a scumteam from somewhere down south: Togs, Logic, and Karote? Bruh, I know you just took your top scumreads and lumped them together. I aint seeing the connection XDDDDD #367 Gruff reads are nice, but where's the scum? . Busy . Work . #373 Kit takes some words outta my mouth #381 Ruu--> Karot 1st point on Denja is NAI, Second point Wifoms the shit outta his play, and neither of those answer why you voted for Karote. ??? #388 Bug take away from this is that kota doesn't think that Chione vs. Logic was a TvT, and his reasons a kinda circumstantial. Can he actually retouch upon why he thought this in the thread rn? that would be a pretty cool response to see when I read up to it #389 Denja's endless pasture of sheep, still bloodlusting for logic #393 Gruff: Why would Kit ever move her vote to inactives, that's gross man. Still think Kit's original vote on Karote was solid and it only lost steam b/c Karot's a lurksack interjector. -Kit stands firm with Karote lynch after being questioned by Gruff to switch P.o.a, good for her #410 Ruu gets to the meat of their Karote read, ennnh, it's not too too bad. #416 Kitt sense Karot's weakness and strikes straight for the jugular... ennnh, maybe not, but they do bring up good points about his lurksackiness post-train on him #421 Togs meta's the shit out of Kota and town leans him.... whhhyyyy?? too much meta man #429 Togs' logic on Rinto sits well with me, but going as far as to call it opportunistic? I dun think so #435 Phraze: "Karote, Denja, shad, and Luna are buddying up" yah, no #436 "Karote cares more about self preservation than solving the game" BY JOVE HE'S GOT IT #449 there's scum coaching and town coaching, it's definitely a thing cus he a scum. #461 Phraze, are there any other reasons to suspect Kota other than him being fluffy? #478 "I don't scumhunt D1 cuz I always Ml" no pain, no gain, also ur a liar #484 Karot roasts Kota, but no vote on him? I knew it!! #490 Kota-->Karote BLOOD #504 Logic has a reads list. TRs Togs which is interesting, also says Karot's a spy but where's the vote? #508 Chione--> Kota tryna counter with logic? Didn't you guys just have a family feud or something? #511 Denja accuses Gruff of setting him up for a NK? "bussing the town" isn't a thing man. #515 READS OR ROPE #533 Why is chione so hesitant on Karot and more confident on Kota? CLARIFICATION #540 Oh, ok, that's kind of cut and dry, no? #545 Kit drops it all and votes Kota... plot twist EOD BANTER Phraze-->shad????? So far at EoD my scumreads are looking like Denja, Karote, Ruu, and possibly Phraze. Denja's all over the place with sheeping and doing a lot of things that just aren't really productive to town, some of them even counter productive. He also backs people and sheeps at weird moments, for instance, during the Chione v. Logic fight there's like, no hesitation in taking a side and he immediately jumps on Logic. I don't like it man. I'm not sure I'm a fan to how Karot reacted to all the pressure on him today and Kit hounding him was a stellar thing b/c he's always so annoying to sort in the late game., Ruu didn't even push any of her reads at EoD like wtf, just kinda vote parked on Karote and stood in the background. I really didn't like that. Phraze is weird too b/c what was up with that switch just at EoD? it cost us a lynch and now any search we do N2 is just going to be going back to D1 except with a lynch. IMPORTANT QUESTION: Phraze, wtf was up with that last minute vote bullshittery yesterday? Final note, I'm only doing this for day one to help me sort my thoughts. Anything else I bring up I'll probably have questions on. That's about it, reading rest rn. |
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