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So I finally got a PSP for God Eater among other things. Is Fate/Extra any good? What is it even about?

Fate/Extra is good, a little grindy due to the meh combat system but I think we can all agree that we just play it to order one of the cool servants around anyway.

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WrongPriest said:

Caliburn220 said:
So I finally got a PSP for God Eater among other things. Is Fate/Extra any good? What is it even about?

Fate/Extra is good, a little grindy due to the meh combat system but I think we can all agree that we just play it to order one of the cool servants around anyway.

Yeah, I haven't heard great things about the combat system. Wouldn't be surprised if I can't stomach it to get to the (I assume) good parts (the plot and characters)?

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Caliburn220 said:
So I finally got a PSP for God Eater among other things. Is Fate/Extra any good? What is it even about?

For Fate/EXTRA, go for the story, ignore the battle system.

For God Eater, go for the battle system, ignore the story.

Jun 21, 2015 5:22 PM

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Caliburn220 said:
So I finally got a PSP for God Eater among other things. Is Fate/Extra any good? What is it even about?

Shit gameplay, decent story and characters.

Jun 21, 2015 5:24 PM

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Caliburn220 said:
So I finally got a PSP for God Eater among other things. Is Fate/Extra any good? What is it even about?

Shit gameplay, decent story and characters.

Yes, it's like The Witcher.

Jun 21, 2015 5:25 PM

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I only read a letsplay but Extra was kinda boring,imho.

Heard CCC was supposedly a lot better though.

Jun 21, 2015 5:28 PM

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Yes, Extra is decent but not great, CCC is quite good.

Jun 21, 2015 5:33 PM

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And yet it was still the same amount of magical energy she used in UBW for exactly the same thing, although moments earlier she could even still use a mini beam against Gil.

'dem inconsistent magical energy levels. It seems as if Saber lost against Gil because the plot demanded it in F/Z.

Well you can make the argument that her Excalibur in the end of ufoUBW was a stronger version, but still...

It obviously was.
Both Kerry and Rin wasted their respective mana in doing their tasks But Rin > Kerry.

But Kerry used 2 command seals vs. 1, and Rin was also supplying mana for UBW at the same time...

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fst said:

mira-nyan said:

It obviously was.
Both Kerry and Rin wasted their respective mana in doing their tasks But Rin > Kerry.

But Kerry used 2 command seals vs. 1, and Rin was also supplying mana for UBW at the same time...

Rin used 2 command seals too.

And Rin certainly has more than 2x the mana pool of Kerry...

Jun 21, 2015 6:44 PM

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She only used one command seal on excalibur

And how many kerrys of mana does UBW need?

Jun 21, 2015 6:45 PM

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fst said:
She only used one command seal on excalibur

And how many kerrys of mana does UBW need?

Same as Excalibur I suppose.

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ChickenFry said:

fst said:
She only used one command seal on excalibur

And how many kerrys of mana does UBW need?

Same as Excalibur I suppose.

...how many kerrys is that?

and can we start using that as an official unit of measure for quantities of mana?

Jun 21, 2015 6:53 PM

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fst said:

ChickenFry said:

Same as Excalibur I suppose.

...how many kerrys is that?

Take it as 1x

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ChickenFry said:

fst said:

...how many kerrys is that?

Take it as 1x

I refuse on account of the fact that saber uses excalibur without a command seal and doesn't vanish in episode 15.

Jun 21, 2015 6:56 PM

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fst said:

ChickenFry said:

Take it as 1x

I refuse on account of the fact that saber uses excalibur without a command seal and doesn't vanish in episode 15.

Is the Grail destroyed in FZ ep 15?

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ChickenFry said:

fst said:

I refuse on account of the fact that saber uses excalibur without a command seal and doesn't vanish in episode 15.

Is the Grail destroyed in FZ ep 15?

...yes.

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May someone explain the rock, paper, scissors aspect of the servants? I feel it might help explain the controbersy of episode 24. Not only that but I find it interesting how it took almost half seasons in both f/Z and ubw for the casters to be defeated, and in both vases required multiple teamups. Is it that every servant has another servant that they are uniquely vulnerable to? Are basic stats/power levels the wrong way to analyze fights?

Semirelated: without spoiling Heavens Feel, why are Lancers, Assassins and Rider (5th war) such pushovers? ( ive watched fz, Deen fsn and ubw, so you can refer to anything but HF to answer).

superseiyanJun 21, 2015 8:46 PM

Misc thoughts on anime: http://stomondo.blogspot.com/search/label/Anime

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1.

I did.

2.For clarification,

3. Follow up question in no. 2,

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Hey guys, I have some questions about Gil. He said that he has a physical form because of the previous grail, so does that mean that he isn't exactly a servant anymore and that he lost the servant ability to sense other servants and dematerialize? Because if that's the case, the whole archer not being dead thing would be a lot more convincing. It also makes sense that Gil was able to surprise attack archer without the servants' ability to detect him. I've even went back to a couple of scenes in the VN to see whether Gil dematerializes after he leaves like the part after he kills Berserker, but the VN just says that he leaves. I guess the main problem about this whole idea is that he can still use noble phantasms, but he's basically a god so I'm not really surprised that he can still use them. If this theory is wrong, just let me know.

Jun 21, 2015 9:32 PM

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I did.

Oh really?

Someone told me it isn't actually that hot, was yours?

Jun 21, 2015 10:55 PM

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ZaHakuno said:
Hey guys, I have some questions about Gil. He said that he has a physical form because of the previous grail, so does that mean that he isn't exactly a servant anymore and that he lost the servant ability to sense other servants and dematerialize? Because if that's the case, the whole archer not being dead thing would be a lot more convincing. It also makes sense that Gil was able to surprise attack archer without the servants' ability to detect him. I've even went back to a couple of scenes in the VN to see whether Gil dematerializes after he leaves like the part after he kills Berserker, but the VN just says that he leaves. I guess the main problem about this whole idea is that he can still use noble phantasms, but he's basically a god so I'm not really surprised that he can still use them. If this theory is wrong, just let me know.

The Grail summons them and Anchors them into this plane of existence

Giving Gil a physical body just removed the need of an Anchor, he's still just as strong as he always was... but yeah, I guess that means he can't go into spirit form.

I don't think that would stop him from detecting servants, although Archer's extremely low mana store at the time could account for his ability to stay undetected.

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WrongPriest said:

peeyaj said:
1.

I did.

Oh really?

Someone told me it isn't actually that hot, was yours?

Depends who's making it. authentic mapo is pretty spicy. but many people can't handle proper mapo, so they tone it down.

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WrongPriest said:

ZaHakuno said:
Hey guys, I have some questions about Gil. He said that he has a physical form because of the previous grail, so does that mean that he isn't exactly a servant anymore and that he lost the servant ability to sense other servants and dematerialize? Because if that's the case, the whole archer not being dead thing would be a lot more convincing. It also makes sense that Gil was able to surprise attack archer without the servants' ability to detect him. I've even went back to a couple of scenes in the VN to see whether Gil dematerializes after he leaves like the part after he kills Berserker, but the VN just says that he leaves. I guess the main problem about this whole idea is that he can still use noble phantasms, but he's basically a god so I'm not really surprised that he can still use them. If this theory is wrong, just let me know.

The Grail summons them and Anchors them into this plane of existence

Giving Gil a physical body just removed the need of an Anchor, he's still just as strong as he always was... but yeah, I guess that means he can't go into spirit form.

I don't think that would stop him from detecting servants, although Archer's extremely low mana store at the time could account for his ability to stay undetected.

Hmm, okay. I guess that it could be plausible for Gil to be unable to detect Archer's extremely low mana at that point. Thanks for the reply. Do you by any chance know of any extra source material or a part of the VN that might go into detail about Gil and his physical body? I'm kind of in a discussion with some other guys about it, so if you do, it'd be much appreciated. ^^

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Obviously, other than Battle Continuation, Independent Action also allows Archer to gain Presence Concealment Rank C.

Independent Action is truly EMIYA's best skill aside of Eye of True Mind.

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ZaHakuno said:

WrongPriest said:

The Grail summons them and Anchors them into this plane of existence

Giving Gil a physical body just removed the need of an Anchor, he's still just as strong as he always was... but yeah, I guess that means he can't go into spirit form.

I don't think that would stop him from detecting servants, although Archer's extremely low mana store at the time could account for his ability to stay undetected.

Hmm, okay. I guess that it could be plausible for Gil to be unable to detect Archer's extremely low mana at that point. Thanks for the reply. Do you by any chance know of any extra source material or a part of the VN that might go into detail about Gil and his physical body? I'm kind of in a discussion with some other guys about it, so if you do, it'd be much appreciated. ^^

The only change after being temporarily absorbed is that the saturation converts his spiritual body to one of flesh and blood like the blackened Servants. It could not digest him even after utilizing all of its hatred, so it crystallized the impurity within itself and abandoned it. He was given a corporeal body and regurgitated back into the present world. Becoming completely incarnated, he continued to survive as an existence with a physical body.

It's from the wiki and I don't see any CM references with it so don't take it as 100%

I'm not really a walking fatecyclopedia myself

Edit: lol does this mean FSN Gilgamesh is actually Alter Gilgamesh?

Jun 22, 2015 12:02 AM

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Here's the one from Fate Side/Material under Independent Action A+ so it's a bit less embellished.

Since the Fourth Holy Grail War, the ability to freely operate without regard for the Master remained unchanged. However, the ability to remain materialised after the Holy Grail War was not gained until he was showered by the content of the Holy Grail. At the end of the Fourth Holy Grail War, Gilgamesh was absorbed for a while after being showered by the black mud spilled from the broken vessel of the Holy Grail. However, Gilgamesh could not even be digested by the mud that was filled with “All the World’s Evil – Angra Mainyu”. On the contrary, he was given a flesh body and regurgitated back into the present world. As a result, Gilgamesh was completely incarnated and continued to survive as an existence with a physical body. Also worth mentioning is that, thanks to the changed shape and personality granted by the potion of youth, the super egotistical Gilgamesh was able to live in the human society for 10 years without much trouble.

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WrongPriest said:

ZaHakuno said:

Hmm, okay. I guess that it could be plausible for Gil to be unable to detect Archer's extremely low mana at that point. Thanks for the reply. Do you by any chance know of any extra source material or a part of the VN that might go into detail about Gil and his physical body? I'm kind of in a discussion with some other guys about it, so if you do, it'd be much appreciated. ^^

The only change after being temporarily absorbed is that the saturation converts his spiritual body to one of flesh and blood like the blackened Servants. It could not digest him even after utilizing all of its hatred, so it crystallized the impurity within itself and abandoned it. He was given a corporeal body and regurgitated back into the present world. Becoming completely incarnated, he continued to survive as an existence with a physical body.

It's from the wiki and I don't see any CM references with it so don't take it as 100%

I'm not really a walking fatecyclopedia myself

Edit: lol does this mean FSN Gilgamesh is actually Alter Gilgamesh?

Alright, well, thanks for trying to help. :D Yeah, I guess I can't rely on it too much. Considering that Archer didn't sense him as a servant when Gil was talking to Sakura in the prologue, I guess that Gil still keeps his servant powers, but since he has a physical body the other servants just can't sense him. Using presence concealment to hide that Archer's not dead makes sense.

Lol, it kind of does sound like he's Alter Gilgamesh. I'd like to see a drawing of that. XD

WrongPriest said:
Here's the one from Fate Side/Material under Independent Action A+ so it's a bit less embellished.

Since the Fourth Holy Grail War, the ability to freely operate without regard for the Master remained unchanged. However, the ability to remain materialised after the Holy Grail War was not gained until he was showered by the content of the Holy Grail. At the end of the Fourth Holy Grail War, Gilgamesh was absorbed for a while after being showered by the black mud spilled from the broken vessel of the Holy Grail. However, Gilgamesh could not even be digested by the mud that was filled with “All the World’s Evil – Angra Mainyu”. On the contrary, he was given a flesh body and regurgitated back into the present world. As a result, Gilgamesh was completely incarnated and continued to survive as an existence with a physical body. Also worth mentioning is that, thanks to the changed shape and personality granted by the potion of youth, the super egotistical Gilgamesh was able to live in the human society for 10 years without much trouble.

Ooh, interesting. Thanks for the info! A potion of youth, eh? Man, Gil has everything... ^^;

Jun 22, 2015 1:26 AM

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Gilgamesh, after being granted physical form in FZ, drank the potion of youth on GOB, to de-age himself of 10 years. So, when the 5th holy grail war started, he is now the same age as he when FZ started.

In Fate, Gil said that he did not need any mana from Kirei, but still Kirei used the orphans from the church to supply it to Gil. Why did Kirei did this? Is he really that kind of asshole.

If you read the descriptions of how Kirei collected the mana from children. The most horrifying thing in FS, even brutal than

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Jun 22, 2015 1:33 AM

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I just realized the upcoming 2weiHerz anime is going to reveal the true location of the grail.

Why are we worried about spoilers again?

Also

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WrongPriest said:
I just realized the upcoming 2weiHerz anime is going to reveal the true location of the grail.

Why are we worried about spoilers again?

Also

You mean the one she claims as paper mache? ;P

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In Fate, Gil said that he did not need any mana from Kirei, but still Kirei used the orphans from the church to supply it to Gil. Why did Kirei did this? Is he really that kind of asshole.

Kirei. Asshole. Pretty obvious, isn't it?

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Hey guys, I have some questions about Gil. He said that he has a physical form because of the previous grail, so does that mean that he isn't exactly a servant anymore and that he lost the servant ability to sense other servants and dematerialize? Because if that's the case, the whole archer not being dead thing would be a lot more convincing. It also makes sense that Gil was able to surprise attack archer without the servants' ability to detect him. I've even went back to a couple of scenes in the VN to see whether Gil dematerializes after he leaves like the part after he kills Berserker, but the VN just says that he leaves. I guess the main problem about this whole idea is that he can still use noble phantasms, but he's basically a god so I'm not really surprised that he can still use them. If this theory is wrong, just let me know.

A servant only loses the lack of need for a master in terms of an anchor after they gain material form, but they can no longer dematerialize. Provided he has mana, he can use his NP's.

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Edit: lol does this mean FSN Gilgamesh is actually Alter Gilgamesh?

No? That's actually the opposite of what it says.

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Just finished catching up on the latest Prillya

If

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Just finished catching up on the latest Prillya

If

That's what

is speculated to be anyway.

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^

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CookingPriest said:

WrongPriest said:
Just finished catching up on the latest Prillya

If

That's what

is speculated to be anyway.

Yeah that's what I was thinking, although she feels like she's something else way past the usual CG.

It makes sense too because her power is

Man, Say what you want about Prillya it has it's themes downpat:

Ass
Nasuverse
Badassary
and Ass

I enjoyed that read through so much. Easily one of my favorite additions to fate, pure gold.

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^

Counterforce refers to both.

"Guardians" refer to humans.

Wrong as always jus used the wrong term.

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Oh okie

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let's not forget that

as explanation for gods part.

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Gonna say because

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Counterforce refers to both.

"Guardians" refer to humans.

Wrong as always jus used the wrong term.

Yeah that's what I meant.

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Gonna say because

Nah.

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Important question:

Will Ufotable ever produce anything as good as Kara no Kyoukai 5 again?

Jun 22, 2015 6:30 AM

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Important question:

Will Ufotable ever produce anything as good as Kara no Kyoukai 5 again?

Sure they will, HF is gonna smash it brah

Ufotable said so.

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WrongPriest said:
Gonna say because

And excaliber is called a "ultimate god-forged" NB. So I don't really know what you are implying here...

But then again it's Prillya so god knows what will happen...

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Nope.

Jun 22, 2015 6:47 AM

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Caliburn220 said:
Important question:

Will Ufotable ever produce anything as good as Kara no Kyoukai 5 again?

You mean from Type-Moon?

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