Yahari Ore no Seishun Love Comedy wa Machigatteiru. Zoku Episode 10 Discussion

boukendesho said:
The resolution with the other school is very weak, unlike previous resolutions. I don't know if this comes from skipping content or not, but they've been building up running out of time through multiple episodes already and it only took two sentences to get the problem resolved, as if all the loss time just magically reappeared. All the built-up tension just get completely wasted.

DRecker said:
I think they rushed this one a little bit. But still a good episode tho. They used the 1st season OP song for the Christmas event scene which is good. And that cuff-holding scene just, wow. I can see a love triangle is happening.

Anyway, have anyone seen that scene in train when Yukino doesn't wear pants? Around minutes 17 I think.

kseon12 said:
Oya, oya~ ... A new rival. It's even not a triangle now, a square :D

And at last! Yukino said it, that all things that guys saying is meaningless.

And i didn't like the end. Somethings is not right with Hayama. How this happened their family are friend ? And to mention such his words like "I don't interest in girlfriend" and "I'm not that good guy" it leading me to not good thought. Maybe, just maybe, are we gonna know that Hayana and Yukino secretly engaged ?

CutePriest said:
Yukino is the end girl. The best chemistry is between 8man and Yukino. They have most interesting interactions and they feel natural. Wait for the next two episodes to see the development between them ;)

Bluforce said:

From what I've seen, Yui's attraction to 8man is heavily one-sided and not really based on anything too deep. It just seems like a typical high school girl crush. I realize that some people are stating that opposites attract, but that is a fallacious argument to me. They literally have zero common ground. If they ever do get together, it's likely that after the initial fuzzy feelings fade there won't be anything left to sustain their relationship. That brings me back to my original question.

Bluforce said:


Going to have to agree with you on this one. Unlike the other female leads, 8man's admiration for Yukino is based on something far deeper than physical beauty. One just needs to read the light novel to see the clear difference in attention that 8man gives to each of them. He dedicates entire paragraphs to Yukino just to describe her. Their interactions really do spark ACTUAL chemistry. They are able to understand each other's views on a fundamental level and engage in thought-provoking discussions. Their lifestyles are similar enough that they can easily relate to one another. They don't need to lose the essence of their characters by changing themselves to be in a relationship.

The plot has practically revolved around their concerns for one another. Both of them receive extensive character development as they struggle with their own and each other's values. What people are missing is that this story is not just a journey for 8man, but for Yukino as well. It is an apt analogy to describe them as opposite sides of the same coin. Not sure if I'm allowed to link this, but this article breaks down their interactions fairly well and in far more depth than I can write in this post:

https://thereforeitis.wordpress.com/2015/05/21/my-teenage-romantic-comedy-snafu-an-angel-and-her-knight/

On an unrelated note, why do people find Yui so appealing? I'm honestly curious. She seems pretty generic, submissive and one-dimensional. You could find slight variants of her "moe jesus"-type character in dozens of shows (shout out to Gigguk). Now, I'm not saying she's a BAD character, but rather she's significantly less developed and interesting than Yukino, Iroha, or even a secondary character like Haruno. The only real reason she's included in the story is that she kept 8man and Yukino from withdrawing into their shells. That's it. That's probably why she written to be optimistic and somewhat simple-minded in the first place without any real depth (even that could be debated as to whether it's really just a part of her character or the fact that she hasn't experienced nearly as much as 8man or Yukino). Beyond that, there really isn't much that I find to be redeemable. Imho she's just an ideal that people are putting on a pedestal.

From what I've seen, Yui's attraction to 8man is heavily one-sided and not really based on anything too deep. It just seems like a typical high school girl crush. I realize that some people are stating that opposites attract, but that is a fallacious argument to me. They literally have zero common ground. If they ever do get together, it's likely that after the initial fuzzy feelings fade there won't be anything left to sustain their relationship. That brings me back to my original question. Do people like her because she never comes into conflict with the MC or is it because she just acts cute?

I'm not trying to bash anybody here. I actually want to hear what people think about this.

Crips said:


I just admire Yui because she actually acts like a normal high schooler.

Bluforce said:


Going to have to agree with you on this one. Unlike the other female leads, 8man's admiration for Yukino is based on something far deeper than physical beauty. One just needs to read the light novel to see the clear difference in attention that 8man gives to each of them. He dedicates entire paragraphs to Yukino just to describe her. Their interactions really do spark ACTUAL chemistry. They are able to understand each other's views on a fundamental level and engage in thought-provoking discussions. Their lifestyles are similar enough that they can easily relate to one another. They don't need to lose the essence of their characters by changing themselves to be in a relationship.

The plot has practically revolved around their concerns for one another. Both of them receive extensive character development as they struggle with their own and each other's values. What people are missing is that this story is not just a journey for 8man, but for Yukino as well. It is an apt analogy to describe them as opposite sides of the same coin. Not sure if I'm allowed to link this, but this article breaks down their interactions fairly well and in far more depth than I can write in this post:

https://thereforeitis.wordpress.com/2015/05/21/my-teenage-romantic-comedy-snafu-an-angel-and-her-knight/

On an unrelated note, why do people find Yui so appealing? I'm honestly curious. She seems pretty generic, submissive and one-dimensional. You could find slight variants of her "moe jesus"-type character in dozens of shows (shout out to Gigguk). Now, I'm not saying she's a BAD character, but rather she's significantly less developed and interesting than Yukino, Iroha, or even a secondary character like Haruno. The only real reason she's included in the story is that she kept 8man and Yukino from withdrawing into their shells. That's it. That's probably why she written to be optimistic and somewhat simple-minded in the first place without any real depth (even that could be debated as to whether it's really just a part of her character or the fact that she hasn't experienced nearly as much as 8man or Yukino). Beyond that, there really isn't much that I find to be redeemable. Imho she's just an ideal that people are putting on a pedestal.

From what I've seen, Yui's attraction to 8man is heavily one-sided and not really based on anything too deep. It just seems like a typical high school girl crush. I realize that some people are stating that opposites attract, but that is a fallacious argument to me. They literally have zero common ground. If they ever do get together, it's likely that after the initial fuzzy feelings fade there won't be anything left to sustain their relationship. That brings me back to my original question. Do people like her because she never comes into conflict with the MC or is it because she just acts cute?

I'm not trying to bash anybody here. I actually want to hear what people think about this.

Bluforce said:


Fair enough, but then that's kind of missing the point that the author is putting across. Both Yukino and 8man have already openly accepted the fact that they aren't "normal" high schoolers. The show itself is based more on their growth as people than just a typical high school romcom. As a personal note, defining something as "normal" is quite subjective. I actually don't find their reactions to be that far off considering their backgrounds.

slovak125 said:

It looks like we are watching different shows. Or you know what? Go read LNs then come here for discussion... Man the whole fucking drama in this season was about Hachiman and Yukino discovering that they weren't as similar as they had thought. And if you didnt even get that then there isnt much to discuss.

Crips said:


No, it's not that the other characters aren't "normal high schoolers". Yui just tries to be herself, she enjoys, spends all her time doing what she adores the most. You know what I mean? She doesn't want to ruin anything so she does what she needs to keep herself at bay. She's the type who doesn't want to waste time on needless things like what 8man and Yuki are going through right now. She brings everything intact at a correct pace. Sure she doesn't understand everything that goes on between her friends but she at least tries her best to solve all the mistakes to make things better for everyone. Not only for herself though, but she also does it for her friends.

Bluforce said:


Whoa, there's no need to be so confrontational man. I'm not sure where you got the impression that I stated they were exactly the same. I clearly said that, "both of them receive extensive character development as they struggle with their own and each other's values". As for your original point, it would be more helpful if you made a clear argument as to why I'm so off. If you're going to make a claim that bold, you might as well back it up. Bringing up the "Read the LN" card makes no difference when people have different interpretations of it to begin with.



By the way I was addressing your point that Yui acted like a normal high schooler, implying that Yukino and 8man didn't. Like I said before, Yui isn't a bad character, I was just wondering why people were doting on her so much. I do respect your opinion though. I can't say I entirely agree with you when you say that 8man and Yuki are focusing on "needless" things. While they may be approaching it the wrong way, what they value is up to them.

bobzanny said:

I think the reason that people but Yui on a pedestal, just a guess, is that Yui never acts like a "bitch" as some people interpret and that Yui has that sweet voice. While compared to Yukinon who is cold and just tares people apart, Yui is just the better choice. Then you have logical people, like me, who say fuck both Yui and Yukinon and go with Iroha since she can be sweet yet deceiving at the same time, basically the best of both girls.

bobzanny said:

I think the reason that people but Yui on a pedestal, just a guess, is that Yui never acts like a "bitch" as some people interpret and that Yui has that sweet voice. While compared to Yukinon who is cold and just tares people apart, Yui is just the better choice. Then you have logical people, like me, who say fuck both Yui and Yukinon and go with Iroha since she can be sweet yet deceiving at the same time, basically the best of both girls.

Crips said:


You'd have to be plain af to think people like Yui cause of her voice. But the 'Bitch' part is uncalled for imo. I don't see Yuki acting like a bitch. She's more of a "Hard to approach" kind of girl. But yet again, I wouldn't really hate on someones personality just because you can't control them or demand what you want from them.

Bluforce said:


Well, Yukino has made significant progress in terms of getting rid of her icy exterior. She really is a different character than from S1E1. Tbh I found the whole "Yukino is a bitch"/"Yui is a slut" slander to be immature and/or not to be taken seriously. I did get a chuckle at your last point though ^^

bobzanny said:

I personally don't think Yukinon is a bitch simply because of how her character is portrayed. But according to some she is queen bitch. I was personally on the Yukinon ship until Iroha came along. And with Yui it helps her personality because 90% of scenes that aren't confrontational Yui is smiling and giddy. While Yukinon is cold and is typically throwing insults.

Crips said:


I honestly use to think bad of Yuki until I started to focus on her more during the episodes and came to my senses that she's just independent. And hey, there are a lot of people out there who are exactly the same. Not sociable and hard to approach. But I'm fine with that. On the other hand, the people who do call her cold, a bitch, stupid etc. They literally either just never pay attention to her for more than 1 episode or they just go with majority of the call. Their perspectives are solely based on just watching her for a short amount of time and grasp that 24 min and turn it into what they want without actually paying attention to her growth throughout the entire show.

bobzanny said:

I never could think bad of Yuki, I always thought "oh shit this bitch gives no fucks" bitch in not a full degrading term but more just like wow. But I really enjoyed the depth to her character since the series has started. And I find it annoying that some people don't realize that her change happened back in season 1 and that season 2 was just picking up where we left off. I think some people watched season 1 and remembered all the fun parts but either forgot all the tension or simply missed it. With Yui on the other hand...

Bluforce said:

They are able to understand each other's views on a fundamental level and engage in thought-provoking discussions. Their lifestyles are similar enough that they can easily relate to one another. They don't need to lose the essence of their characters by changing themselves to be in a relationship.

Crips said:

bobzanny said:

slovak125 said:


Well, that was partially my fault. I read only this paragraph where you are saying that they were able to understand each other which isnt true. But you are right in the second paragraph. And I didn't mean to be that harsh. Just that majority of people here discussing Yahari dont even understand the principle of conflict yet talking shit and its pissing me off. Sorry.

bobzanny said:

The "Yui is a slut" point always cracked me up because in the first episode she said she was a virgin. And since that time we know that she hasn't gone after anybody except Hachiman. I'd personally would almost like a troll ending where Hachiman either gets with somebody other than Yui or nobody and Yui goes full yandere mode just for shits and gigs.

Crips said:

I honestly use to think bad of Yuki until I started to focus on her more during the episodes and came to my senses that she's just independent. And hey, there are a lot of people out there who are exactly the same. Not sociable and hard to approach. But I'm fine with that. On the other hand, the people who do call her cold, a bitch, stupid etc. They literally either just never pay attention to her for more than 1 episode or they just go with majority of the call. Their perspectives are solely based on just watching her for a short amount of time and grasp that 24 min and turn it into what they want without actually paying attention to her growth throughout the entire show.

ExTamplier said:
Is there something going on between Hayato and Haruno?

Bluforce said:


It's all good bro! I suppose I could have worded the first paragraph a bit better. I was trying to get at the fact that they both rejected superficiality, were somewhat content with their semi-loner lives (didn't wish to be popular or have lots of friends, though they did find out how much they valued each other in ep 8), encouraged independence and had similar cynical views of the world. It was the difference in their methods that really got to Yukino. As for my last point I was referring to the fact that it wouldn't be too much of an adjustment on both of their characters if they got together, considering they're already living a very similar lifestyle. It's true though that the lack of communication between Yukino and 8man was their downfall in the first arcs of the season since they assumed they knew what the other was thinking.



Lmao that would really be something. Anime original ending anyone?



Well said man. I suppose I also hadn't previously considered the points you brought up about Yui.

Winnfield said:
I started watching Oregairu as a Romantic Comedy/Slice of Life series and I loved the 1st season. But this season has just too much drama for me (don't like the genre) and as a non LN reader I want to ask if someone here could spoil me about the upcoming episodes to relieve my anxiety and help me decide if I will drop this series or not. And before I forget, what the hell is going on between Hayato and Yukinon? I've read somewhere that they have a political engagement because of their parents or something, is that accurate? Thanks in advance. Sorry for bad english.

Crips said:


Oh god no. If Hayama were to marry anyone, it would be Haruno.

CutePriest said:
But doesn't even think of him as stated by him.

Bluforce said:


Going to have to agree with you on this one. Unlike the other female leads, 8man's admiration for Yukino is based on something far deeper than physical beauty. One just needs to read the light novel to see the clear difference in attention that 8man gives to each of them. He dedicates entire paragraphs to Yukino just to describe her. Their interactions really do spark ACTUAL chemistry. They are able to understand each other's views on a fundamental level and engage in thought-provoking discussions. Their lifestyles are similar enough that they can easily relate to one another. They don't need to lose the essence of their characters by changing themselves to be in a relationship.

The plot has practically revolved around their concerns for one another. Both of them receive extensive character development as they struggle with their own and each other's values. What people are missing is that this story is not just a journey for 8man, but for Yukino as well. It is an apt analogy to describe them as opposite sides of the same coin. Not sure if I'm allowed to link this, but this article breaks down their interactions fairly well and in far more depth than I can write in this post:

https://thereforeitis.wordpress.com/2015/05/21/my-teenage-romantic-comedy-snafu-an-angel-and-her-knight/

On an unrelated note, why do people find Yui so appealing? I'm honestly curious. She seems pretty generic, submissive and one-dimensional. You could find slight variants of her "moe jesus"-type character in dozens of shows (shout out to Gigguk). Now, I'm not saying she's a BAD character, but rather she's significantly less developed and interesting than Yukino, Iroha, or even a secondary character like Haruno. The only real reason she's included in the story is that she kept 8man and Yukino from withdrawing into their shells. That's it. That's probably why she written to be optimistic and somewhat simple-minded in the first place without any real depth (even that could be debated as to whether it's really just a part of her character or the fact that she hasn't experienced nearly as much as 8man or Yukino). Beyond that, there really isn't much that I find to be redeemable. Imho she's just an ideal that people are putting on a pedestal.

From what I've seen, Yui's attraction to 8man is heavily one-sided and not really based on anything too deep. It just seems like a typical high school girl crush. I realize that some people are stating that opposites attract, but that is a fallacious argument to me. They literally have zero common ground. If they ever do get together, it's likely that after the initial fuzzy feelings fade there won't be anything left to sustain their relationship. That brings me back to my original question. Do people like her because she never comes into conflict with the MC or is it because she just acts cute?

I'm not trying to bash anybody here. I actually want to hear what people think about this.

GrandTemplar said:


I want Hayama marry Yukino. Save 8man's virginity for Yui or Iroha.