Shangetsu said: ssjokg said: wrenchbread said: Now, what it did it did horribly. There's a lack of internal consistency. You might not know but programs are rigid structures with clearly defined operations. When your health hits 0, you're designated as dead. Why should Kirito be any different? He's only human (at least, he should be, but he's as OP as it gets). I am tired of this shit.Go watch the scene again,pay attention to the screen and understand that what happened to him happened to other characters as well. Also spoiler |
ssjokg said: Shangetsu said: ssjokg said: wrenchbread said: Now, what it did it did horribly. There's a lack of internal consistency. You might not know but programs are rigid structures with clearly defined operations. When your health hits 0, you're designated as dead. Why should Kirito be any different? He's only human (at least, he should be, but he's as OP as it gets). I am tired of this shit.Go watch the scene again,pay attention to the screen and understand that what happened to him happened to other characters as well. Also spoiler |
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Shangetsu said: ssjokg said: Shangetsu said: ssjokg said: wrenchbread said: Now, what it did it did horribly. There's a lack of internal consistency. You might not know but programs are rigid structures with clearly defined operations. When your health hits 0, you're designated as dead. Why should Kirito be any different? He's only human (at least, he should be, but he's as OP as it gets). I am tired of this shit.Go watch the scene again,pay attention to the screen and understand that what happened to him happened to other characters as well. Also spoiler I agree.Although that Kayaba was SO surprised,like he didnt even know why it happened, makes it hard for me to think of it as the precursor of the Incarnate system. |
ssjokg said: Shangetsu said: ssjokg said: Shangetsu said: ssjokg said: wrenchbread said: Now, what it did it did horribly. There's a lack of internal consistency. You might not know but programs are rigid structures with clearly defined operations. When your health hits 0, you're designated as dead. Why should Kirito be any different? He's only human (at least, he should be, but he's as OP as it gets). I am tired of this shit.Go watch the scene again,pay attention to the screen and understand that what happened to him happened to other characters as well. Also spoiler I agree.Although that Kayaba was SO surprised,like he didnt even know why it happened, makes it hard for me to think of it as the precursor of the Incarnate system. I think he knows what happened. What he didn't know is why the Cardinal sided with Kirito but then you could say that it's because Kayaba himself is pretty awkward with everything about human feelings. |
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| !@#$ this, they won't even follow the manga, it's not like they followed it in the previous season.. the previous season was overrated and made a huge hype but this time m sure that it won't work out.. lol unless they make an original story without any disgusting romance in it.. |
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| If this is adapted right it actually won't be too bad. Phantom Bullet was the best of the three (though the world of Aincrad is still my favorite by far, just wish it hit its potential but oh well). |
| A match made in heaven set the fires in hell |
| If SAO 2 was slated for the Spring lineup it would of been announced a while ago so I'm betting it will air in the summer lineup of course it could air in the fall as well. |
Satan-sama said: !@#$ this, they won't even follow the manga, it's not like they followed it in the previous season.. the previous season was overrated and made a huge hype but this time m sure that it won't work out.. lol unless they make an original story without any disgusting romance in it.. I love your list. Anything that you like is 7-10,regardless of flaws and anything else is dropped with 1-6 scores. |
| well, I hope the story is great like season 1.. because I will very disappointed if it not!! (but, after I look the trailer, I really didn't like face Kirito when he play GGO!! It's like a girl!! for pete sake!! I hope what I was see was wrong!!) ~ " CAN'T BE SO PUMPED UP!! FAIRY TAIL WILL REALESE ANIME AGAIN!! " ~ finally after a long journey of waiting.. :D XD |
Kireiina said: well, I hope the story is great like season 1.. because I will very disappointed if it not!! (but, after I look the trailer, I really didn't like face Kirito when he play GGO!! It's like a girl!! for pete sake!! I hope what I was see was wrong!!) ~ " CAN'T BE SO PUMPED UP!! FAIRY TAIL WILL REALESE ANIME AGAIN!! " ~ finally after a long journey of waiting.. :D XD Thats not Kirito in the trailer. But yes he looks like a girl. FFS why is that a problem?Last time I checked a MMO there were MANY male players using a female avatar. |
Satan-sama said: !@#$ this, they won't even follow the manga, it's not like they followed it in the previous season.. the previous season was overrated and made a huge hype but this time m sure that it won't work out.. lol unless they make an original story without any disgusting romance in it.. -SAO isn't adapted from a manga but from a light novel -SAO did follow the light novel for the whole season -Romance is part of SAO's success, remove it and now it there're chances it won't sell. You're free to say whatever you want but at least try to get your facts right. |
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ssjokg said: Kireiina said: well, I hope the story is great like season 1.. because I will very disappointed if it not!! (but, after I look the trailer, I really didn't like face Kirito when he play GGO!! It's like a girl!! for pete sake!! I hope what I was see was wrong!!) ~ " CAN'T BE SO PUMPED UP!! FAIRY TAIL WILL REALESE ANIME AGAIN!! " ~ finally after a long journey of waiting.. :D XD Thats not Kirito in the trailer. But yes he looks like a girl. FFS why is that a problem?Last time I checked a MMO there were MANY male players using a female avatar. I think people are scared that it'll be turned into trap fanservice and lose seriousness. That is not the case. |
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Shangetsu said: Well they did omit some stuff.Tonkii,Kayaba in the Murder Case,Asuna and Kirito's first meeting.Satan-sama said: !@#$ this, they won't even follow the manga, it's not like they followed it in the previous season.. the previous season was overrated and made a huge hype but this time m sure that it won't work out.. lol unless they make an original story without any disgusting romance in it.. -SAO isn't adapted from a manga but from a light novel -SAO did follow the light novel for the whole season -Romance is part of SAO's success, remove it and now it there're chances it won't sell. You're free to say whatever you want but at least try to get your facts right. |
ssjokg said: Shangetsu said: Well they did omit some stuff.Tonkii,Kayaba in the Murder Case,Asuna and Kirito's first meeting.Satan-sama said: !@#$ this, they won't even follow the manga, it's not like they followed it in the previous season.. the previous season was overrated and made a huge hype but this time m sure that it won't work out.. lol unless they make an original story without any disgusting romance in it.. -SAO isn't adapted from a manga but from a light novel -SAO did follow the light novel for the whole season -Romance is part of SAO's success, remove it and now it there're chances it won't sell. You're free to say whatever you want but at least try to get your facts right. Those things didn't affect the course of the story much. Of course it's impossible to adapt everything from a novel but everything that was adapted was in the novel and that's the important part. |
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Shangetsu said: I think the reception of some events would be better if Murder case and Kirito's meeting with Asuna were fully animated.ssjokg said: Shangetsu said: Well they did omit some stuff.Tonkii,Kayaba in the Murder Case,Asuna and Kirito's first meeting.Satan-sama said: !@#$ this, they won't even follow the manga, it's not like they followed it in the previous season.. the previous season was overrated and made a huge hype but this time m sure that it won't work out.. lol unless they make an original story without any disgusting romance in it.. -SAO isn't adapted from a manga but from a light novel -SAO did follow the light novel for the whole season -Romance is part of SAO's success, remove it and now it there're chances it won't sell. You're free to say whatever you want but at least try to get your facts right. Those things didn't affect the course of the story much. Of course it's impossible to adapt everything from a novel but everything that was adapted was in the novel and that's the important part. |
ssjokg said: Shangetsu said: I think the reception of some events would be better if Murder case and Kirito's meeting with Asuna were fully animated.ssjokg said: Shangetsu said: Well they did omit some stuff.Tonkii,Kayaba in the Murder Case,Asuna and Kirito's first meeting.Satan-sama said: !@#$ this, they won't even follow the manga, it's not like they followed it in the previous season.. the previous season was overrated and made a huge hype but this time m sure that it won't work out.. lol unless they make an original story without any disgusting romance in it.. -SAO isn't adapted from a manga but from a light novel -SAO did follow the light novel for the whole season -Romance is part of SAO's success, remove it and now it there're chances it won't sell. You're free to say whatever you want but at least try to get your facts right. Those things didn't affect the course of the story much. Of course it's impossible to adapt everything from a novel but everything that was adapted was in the novel and that's the important part. I for one read the volumes in release order and haven't read most of the side stories outside those presented in the volumes. Murder case was in volume 8. I know that it'd make more sense chronologicaly for it to have been during the SAO arc but side stories aren't a prerequisite to enjoy the main story nor are they important for the developement of the story in my opinion. Then SAO as a whole would have been much better if it was properly adapted. I'm not saying that it's ok to have cut things from the side stories but if I had to choose having either the main story or the side stories well done I'd choose the main story first even if it comes at the cost of having zero side story. |
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Shangetsu said: Then SAO as a whole would have been much better if it was properly adapted. I'm not saying that it's ok to have cut things from the side stories but if I had to choose having either the main story or the side stories well done I'd choose the main story first even if it comes at the cost of having zero side story. But the main story is badly written as well... I don't think only showing the core of SAO would have changed much. |
| Jojolion anime when? |
Nidhoeggr said: Shangetsu said: Then SAO as a whole would have been much better if it was properly adapted. I'm not saying that it's ok to have cut things from the side stories but if I had to choose having either the main story or the side stories well done I'd choose the main story first even if it comes at the cost of having zero side story. But the main story is badly written as well... I don't think only showing the core of SAO would have changed much. Well you're entitled to your opinion. I think otherwise. |
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Shangetsu said: Nidhoeggr said: Shangetsu said: Then SAO as a whole would have been much better if it was properly adapted. I'm not saying that it's ok to have cut things from the side stories but if I had to choose having either the main story or the side stories well done I'd choose the main story first even if it comes at the cost of having zero side story. But the main story is badly written as well... I don't think only showing the core of SAO would have changed much. Well you're entitled to your opinion. I think otherwise. True, but the main complaints people have about SAO arc are not all directed at the "filler harem episodes" (Kirito DEM, the whole resolution, the writing of the romance). If anything, it made this mess of story full of convenient-development-skipping timeskips more tolerable even though the side stories were a huge letdown as well. |
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Nidhoeggr said: And there are many more people liking it that way.Shangetsu said: Nidhoeggr said: Shangetsu said: Then SAO as a whole would have been much better if it was properly adapted. I'm not saying that it's ok to have cut things from the side stories but if I had to choose having either the main story or the side stories well done I'd choose the main story first even if it comes at the cost of having zero side story. But the main story is badly written as well... I don't think only showing the core of SAO would have changed much. Well you're entitled to your opinion. I think otherwise. True, but the main complaints people have about SAO arc are not all directed at the "filler harem episodes" (Kirito DEM, the whole resolution, the writing of the romance). If anything, it made this mess of story full of convenient-development-skipping timeskips more tolerable even though the side stories were a huge letdown as well. You can start saying again that they have shit taste or that yours is more refined but that doesnt change that what you see as a problem they dont see it at all. |
| It is not liking/disliking it, it's about making a coherent adaption. Sometimes things have to be changed, sometimes they don't. Even the author is rewriting the SAO arc to flesh it out so it is obvious that not only he, but also the staff judged the very first version of SAO to be insufficient. After reading it I can understand their possible complaints: It is lacking a lot of the world building that happened in the side stories and its very fractured style is giving it a very amateurish look. Thus, the staff decided it is better to choose the chronological approach. This choice was the right one and you people got all of your Aincraid scenes anway. Why complain? Because they presented the story in a way that makes it look bad? That is the stories fault here, not the fault of the studio. It's the same for a lot of LN/VN adaptions. Sure, especially VN might be hard to adapt but if the story is bullshit you can't just whine and put the blame on the studio just because the people outside the little LN/VN otaku circlejerk deem it to be bad. I dunno where I read it but some users argued that Highschool DxD was "ruined" by the studio because they "simplified the political struggles, character development" and other stuff in S1 and that the "good stuff" would be happening in the novels that later became season 2. We know how that turned out. However, it is true that A-1 is bad at adapting action titles as the original content in Magi, Ao No Exorcist and other shows proved. Not to mention that their production was not the best. The stillshots of SAO certainly could have been better. |
NidhoeggrJan 20, 2014 9:39 AM
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| Where did we complain about the order of events? |
| It's the general tone of "Q_Q A-1 ruined muh SAO" I hear from a lot of LN readers like Shangetsu around here. A-1 ruined the adaption on the technical level, but most of the problems with characters and stories are not due to lack of narration or other content (which the majority of works has to face as well), but because of the inherent flawed writing in SAO. |
NidhoeggrJan 20, 2014 9:49 AM
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Nidhoeggr said: It's the general tone of "Q_Q A-1 ruined muh SAO" I hear from a lot of LN readers like Shangetsu around here. A-1 ruined the adaption on the technical level, but most of the problems with characters and stories are not due to lack of narration or other content (which the majority of works has to face as well), but because of the inherent flawed writing in SAO. Murder case and ep2(forgot the LN title) being half and less of their content is a problem.Especially when they had to do with the two MCs and the first antagonist. As for the characters, whatever someone needs to like them and understand them is there. If they have traits(or lack of them) that some dont like or if the stories arent what they are looking for doesnt mean that they are bad. |
| Traits per se are usually not bad, but the execution of said traits can be judged. And there the fault can not only lie by the studio as well. Sure, they can present them unfavorable, but the core idea behind the execution is set in stone by the writer already before the adaption staff even starts thinking about how to diverge from said execution. It'll be the same with Mahouka. In 9 months we will get whining fanboys who say "MADHOUSE RUINED MUH MAHOUKA Q_Q", citing things were there in the original story and character, ergo the fault of the writer and not the studio. Oh wait, we already get this with Mahou Sensou. |
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Nidhoeggr said: Traits per se are usually not bad, but the execution of said traits can be judged. In the end it is the same thing. |
ssjokg said: Nidhoeggr said: Traits per se are usually not bad, but the execution of said traits can be judged. In the end it is the same thing. No, it's not. The standard big action movie hero can be executed well (Die Hard 1) or not so well (Every Steven Seagal movie). I assume you always like this kinda hero because they are the same? But this is getting offtopic. Anyway, my argument still stands. |
NidhoeggrJan 20, 2014 10:10 AM
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Nidhoeggr said: ssjokg said: Nidhoeggr said: Traits per se are usually not bad, but the execution of said traits can be judged. In the end it is the same thing. No, it's not. The standard big action movie hero can be executed well (Die Hard 1) or not so well (Every Steven Seagal movie). But this is getting offtopic. Anyway, my argument still stands. It is the same thing. Some liked/understood what they saw, the execution.Others didnt either because it isnt what they like or because they dont want to understand it. What was your argument?That the "whining" is pointless because of SAO's inherent flawed writing? You wanted more from SAO we get that. That doesnt mean that it is full of major flaws. |
ssjokg said: What was your argument?That the "whining" is pointless because of SAO's inherent flawed writing? Yes, stop saying A-1 ruined the series. It was ruined when Kawahara turned in a product that was so bad he wants to rewrite it (and thankfully does so, good guy!) by now. |
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Nidhoeggr said: ssjokg said: What was your argument?That the "whining" is pointless because of SAO's inherent flawed writing? Yes, stop saying A-1 ruined the series. It was ruined when Kawahara turned in a product that was so bad he wants to rewrite it (and thankfully does so, good guy!) by now. Yes they did. Yes it definitely wasnt milking the series. Again.That SAO wasnt what you wanted doesnt make it SO BAD. |
| So you think people wouldn't have complained if they included the bad inner monologue instead of meh sidestories? That's only changing the focus a bit and you know it. |
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Nidhoeggr said: So you think people wouldn't have complained if they included the bad inner monologue instead of meh sidestories? That's only changing the focus a bit and you know it. "bad' inner monologue, entire scenes about Asuna and Kirito before the fight on floor 1,foreshadowing about Kayaba.ALL part of the"meh" SS. No I dont know it.I dont know something that is only in your and other,set to bash SAO, people's head. |
ssjokgJan 20, 2014 10:45 AM
ssjokg said: I am tired of this shit.Go watch the scene again,pay attention to the screen and understand that what happened to him happened to other characters as well. You mean other characters actually survived their deathblows? Kirito should've been dead even with the delay in question. His coming back alive and killing Heathcliff was a total deus ex machina that contradicted the mechanics of the world (which were all ready pretty loose because from the sound of it, Kawahara Reki doesn't know a lick about how programming works). You can't just will your way out of death because you're implying a few things: (1) no one in the world had a will stronger than Kirito's or any will for that matter, so OBVIOUSLY they shouldn't live (2) Kirito is special (I believe they actually go this route in the later LNs, which makes this all the more worse). Both act as inane explanations just to keep the main character alive because I don't know, money? Couldn't write a better scenario? Willpower is king? It doesn't take a genius to figure out that this terribly written series is devoid of logic and reasoning. Why you don't read Reamde? |
wrenchbread said: ssjokg said: I am tired of this shit.Go watch the scene again,pay attention to the screen and understand that what happened to him happened to other characters as well. You mean other characters actually survived their deathblows? Kirito should've been dead even with the delay in question. His coming back alive and killing Heathcliff Again:Watch the scene again.He falls,without his swords,there is no wound,and when he "revives" he is back in the position he was stabbed WITH Kayaba's sword in him,holding his swords.The scene was exactly like the scene in ep 1 where he imagines his death.If you are not blind you will finally get it.There is no revival because he didnt die yet. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fBIhvHj2An0 You can complain about his delay that was longer than all the other characters' that were shown to have a delayed death,but whether it is willpower or the anime's shitty timing you cant know that.You can say whatever you want about that,honestly I dont care. But this revival shit has to stop since there isnt one. You may be right about him not knowing shit about how programming works.That is why he created the Cardinal System in SAO. |
ssjokg said: wrenchbread said: ssjokg said: I am tired of this shit.Go watch the scene again,pay attention to the screen and understand that what happened to him happened to other characters as well. You mean other characters actually survived their deathblows? Kirito should've been dead even with the delay in question. His coming back alive and killing Heathcliff Again:Watch the scene again.He falls,without his swords,there is no wound,and when he "revives" he is back in the position he was stabbed WITH Kayaba's sword in him,holding his swords.The scene was exactly like the scene in ep 1 where he imagines his death.If you are not blind you will finally get it.There is no revival because he didnt die yet. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fBIhvHj2An0 You can complain about his delay that was longer than all the other characters' that were shown to have a delayed death,but whether it is willpower or the anime's shitty timing you cant know that.You can say whatever you want about that,honestly I dont care. But this revival shit has to stop since there isnt one. You may be right about him not knowing shit about how programming works.That is why he created the Cardinal System in SAO. But Kayaba stated he is in a limbo... And since you don't care it just sounds like you are mad that some people don't believe in bad writing. |
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Nidhoeggr said: ssjokg said: wrenchbread said: ssjokg said: I am tired of this shit.Go watch the scene again,pay attention to the screen and understand that what happened to him happened to other characters as well. You mean other characters actually survived their deathblows? Kirito should've been dead even with the delay in question. His coming back alive and killing Heathcliff Again:Watch the scene again.He falls,without his swords,there is no wound,and when he "revives" he is back in the position he was stabbed WITH Kayaba's sword in him,holding his swords.The scene was exactly like the scene in ep 1 where he imagines his death.If you are not blind you will finally get it.There is no revival because he didnt die yet. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fBIhvHj2An0 You can complain about his delay that was longer than all the other characters' that were shown to have a delayed death,but whether it is willpower or the anime's shitty timing you cant know that.You can say whatever you want about that,honestly I dont care. But this revival shit has to stop since there isnt one. You may be right about him not knowing shit about how programming works.That is why he created the Cardinal System in SAO. But Kayaba stated he is in a limbo... And since you don't care it just sounds like you are mad that some people don't believe in bad writing. When did he state that? No I am mad at people that scream bad or good writing based on what they think is acceptable, sometimes based on false info and interpretations. |
| Yeah, literary standards are surely random :3 |
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Nidhoeggr said: Yeah, literary standards are surely random :3 Yes because screaming bad and shit on nothing proves any kind of standards. |
ssjokg said: Nidhoeggr said: Yeah, literary standards are surely random :3 Yes because screaming bad and shit on nothing proves any kind of standards. People provide evidence, it's just that you believe in Kawahara's good writing more than reality. Look, I get that you probably identify with all these characters or so because they are made to appeal to you. But I'm sorry to inform you that this subconscious teenager fantasy is still not good writing even if you love it. Is it so hard to admit that you like bad writing? I mean, every teenage girl admits that they love Twilight despite (subconsciously) knowing full well that the writing is bad. Can't you be as mature as them? I like bad writing as well! It is fun to laugh at and I enjoyed picking SAO apart just as much as I enjoy the horrible twists in Symphogear or watching Mars of Destruction while drinking beer. Just be more honest! |
NidhoeggrJan 21, 2014 2:52 AM
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| i look forward to watch season 2 |
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Nidhoeggr said: ssjokg said: Nidhoeggr said: Yeah, literary standards are surely random :3 Yes because screaming bad and shit on nothing proves any kind of standards. People provide evidence, it's just that you believe in Kawahara's good writing more than reality. Look, I get that you probably identify with all these characters or so because they are made to appeal to you. But I'm sorry to inform you that this subconscious teenager fantasy is still not good writing even if you love it. Is it so hard to admit that you like bad writing? I mean, every teenage girl admits that they love Twilight despite (subconsciously) knowing fullw ell that the writing is bad. Can't you eb as mature as them? I like bad writing as well! It is fun to laugh at and enjoyed picking SAO apart just as much as I enjoy the horrible twists in Symphogear or watching Mars of Destruction while drinking beer. Just be more honest! Evidence like Kirito's revival? You can make me look like a self insert series fan as much as you want that wont make your evidence more solid than they really are. |
ssjokg said: Kireiina said: well, I hope the story is great like season 1.. because I will very disappointed if it not!! (but, after I look the trailer, I really didn't like face Kirito when he play GGO!! It's like a girl!! for pete sake!! I hope what I was see was wrong!!) ~ " CAN'T BE SO PUMPED UP!! FAIRY TAIL WILL REALESE ANIME AGAIN!! " ~ finally after a long journey of waiting.. :D XD Thats not Kirito in the trailer. But yes he looks like a girl. FFS why is that a problem?Last time I checked a MMO there were MANY male players using a female avatar. huh, :V you know I hope they made a season that kirito and asuna will clear 100th floor in SAO -_-" but I think it won't happen.. cihh -__-" |
| Based On The Light Novel I Guess It Will Be Pretty Good :P |
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YamashitaRen said: Nidhoeggr said: But I'm sorry to inform you that this subconscious teenager fantasy is still not good writing even if you love it. Is it so hard to admit that you like bad writing? This is why I loved the anime. The LN was so much under my reading standards that I couldn't come to read it. The anime, however, is a nice show and is imo the best support to enjoy the SAO universe :) So, assuming that the LN indeed that bad, the anime which is even worse is better? |
| LOL oh god. They could have helped properly clean up Fukushima with that money but no, they decide to make a season 2. |
| As a child, I was told that society is a melting pot of talents; knowledge and experience combined to form important alloys that will contribute to mankind. When I got to highschool, however, I thought that it's more like a river in which the water represents our peers while we ourselves are the stones in the river. Constant erosion by mindless majority sheeping has made us lose our unique edge. After I hit the age of 18, I realized that I've been wrong all along. Society is no melting pot. Society is no river. Society is a person, a very skilled rapist, and he has fucked us all. |
BloodRequiem said: LOL oh god. They could have helped properly clean up Fukushima with that money but no, they decide to make a season 2. Are you serious about this statement? |
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