| Probably smooth motion. |
 You've come a long way, baby. |
| Turning it off worked, thanks. That didn't occur to me since I had it set to only occurring if there would be motion judder without it, and I had just upgraded both my CPU and GPU and though motion judder would be extremely rare. One dumb question I have would be is if ReClock is the only solution to the 1 frame repeat every XX seconds? |
| Mostly yes. If you monitor can change refresh rates then it will be even better. |
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danuchiha99 said: Does sound pre-buffer on Reclock make lip sync actually sync (lol)??? What should I put it at since mine is currently at "125"? It has nothing to do with that. It's a buffer to let ReClock adapt the video speed without making the sound click or stutter. If you're looking for better lip-sync then making your monitor clock more accurate would help. |
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| I followed al the steps. Video is playing smooth now but not as smooth and sharp image as my media player (PCH A-200). The only reason im using MPC-BE is because my PCH (And other media players as far as i know) does not play 10bit files. I can't get digital audio send to my av reciever. like Dolby Digital, DTS, DTS-HD, True HD or FLAC. My desktop is connected with a 1.4 HDMI cable to my av receiver and from my receiver to my smart tv. When i had K-Lite Codec pack installed it wasn't a issue accept for FLAC audio. Does anyone has a solution for this? Does anyone know why my PCH A-200 has better and smoother picture quality? |
Pindakees said: I followed al the steps. Video is playing smooth now but not as smooth and sharp image as my media player (PCH A-200). The only reason im using MPC-BE is because my PCH (And other media players as far as i know) does not play 10bit files. You might want to experiment with other algorithms then. The ones I use are solely for video accuracy but either you'll like it or not, that will depend on the individual. Pindakees said: I can't get digital audio send to my av reciever. like Dolby Digital, DTS, DTS-HD, True HD or FLAC. Hmm. I'm not much of audiophile so I don't know what to do about that. Sorry. ReClock's here mainly for video clock adaptation and everything else is an extra for me. |
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| You need to enable bitstreaming in LAV Audio. |
You've come a long way, baby. |
| Thnx for the quick reply! For some reason i dont see the LAV Audio Decoder setting when i go to the filters in MPC-BE. Instead of that i see ReClock Audio Renderer. I try d to uninstall ReClock en tested it without ReClock. This time the LAV Audio Decoder was visible and the audio was digital. Then i installed ReClock again and LAV Audio Decoder was gone and ReClock Audio Renderer was visible again... How can i fix this? @Niyawa thnx for the tip i will try to experiment whit the algorithms. And what is solely? |
| Hmm, not sure...I use KCP which has MPC-HC and am able to use LAV Audio's bitstreaming alongside ReClock just fine... |
You've come a long way, baby. |
Pindakees said: thnx for the tip i will try to experiment whit the algorithms. And what is solely? 'Solely' as in completely focused on one thing. The algorithms I use are 'solely' (only for) the reason of accuracy. You can increase sharpness by using more taps with Lanczos or Jinc, but be aware that will put some annoying ringing as well. ReClock will override your default audio renderer (usually DirectSound) and shouldn't do anything with LAV stuff. Check your list filters and see if you didn't miss anything, if you enable ReClock and Audio LAV decoder goes away, then you're not enabling 'only' ReClock. |
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| This is the situation now... I found out that when i play digital audio i dont see the LAV Audio Decoder in the filter list. But when i play someting with for example stereo sound the LAV Audio Decoder is visible again. I think my settings are correct. I included a screenshot!  I dont no why but the picture is not coming up lol |
PindakeesFeb 11, 2014 11:15 AM
| As I thought... since you said you were using BE I assumed you'd know what you were doing but it seems you missed my note in Step 2:2. Go to the Internal Filters Option and disable everything. That's the only way to make sure nothing else will load. The forums have bbcode disabled for picture, so [img] tag won't work. |
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| Im sorry but you thought wrong... I did disable all the internal filters in MPC-BE as it said in step 2:2. I followed all the steps perfectly! :D Now i have uninstalled everything and installed KCP-0.5.5.6_[B0A87182] CRC32: B0A87182 (with MPC-HC). Before i downloaded everything separately because i wanned the newest version of everything and i wanned to see what MPC-BE was all about. :P I have no more problem with the audio now! Accept for FLAC audio its not digital received by my av receiver. |
| Hm, then MPC-BE put it's own filters as more important than the user's options? I find that hard to believe. Well, KCP makes sure all the settings are fair and square. From my perspective this could've been a random MPC-BE bug as well. |
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| Hey, hope you're okay Niyawa :) I'm not even sure if this is necessarily a problem but I'd thought I'd ask anyway because it's confusing me. While I follow the setup to this guide I use K-Lite codecs so I don't have to manually download each individual app myself (I know, lazy). I've just updated to the most recent full pack (10.3.0), set it all up according to this guide and I've come upon the following issues: When watching 8bit When watching 10bit As you can see, and I hope I'm not wrong here, it seems that when I watch anything that is 8bit my GPU decodes it whereas when I watch anything 10bit something else is decoding it, and I've noticed a definite drop in quality since I updated. Could this be an issue with the MPC version (1.7.3.10)? Thanks! |
| It's not an issue with MPC-HC. You're using hardware acceleration (NVidia CUVID) with 8-bit and using software decoding instead (no DXVA) with 10-bit because 10-bit doesn't support any sort of DXVA. Go to LAV Video options and disable it if you want best quality, otherwise I can't guarantee the GPU won't mess with the colors. |
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| I have installed latest madVR, XySubFilter, LAV and MPC BE, and did all settings, and I cannot open 8P and 10P videos with MPC BE. My computer is: Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 64 bits, 8 gig RAM, XFX Radeon HD 6950 2GB, AMD Phenom II X4 955 Black Edition 3.2GHZ. |
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| A screenshot with your filter lists would help. |
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Niyawa said: A screenshot with your filter lists would help. I realised I had installed the xy-VSFilter one instead of xy-SubFilter one so I uninstalled xy-VSFilter and installed xy-SubFilter. Now I can watch all videos. But it refuses to show in the filters and madVR also does not show up. I have unchecked all load subtitles in the options so it's not that. I have also added it to the external filters at the top but no avail. When I was using xy-VSFilter I was getting DirectVobsub, so I've tried numerous times to reinstall/uninstall xy-VSFilter and xy-SubFilter and now even in xy-VSFilter is gone. All my internal filters are unchecked. In my external filters I have XYSubFilter, LAV Audio decoder, LAV Video decoder and LAV Splitter. |
Nothingness39Feb 16, 2014 7:06 PM
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| I'm not sure what to tell you... I have the exact same setup as this guide right now and such thing never happened. You must have missed something or there's something else not letting madVR load, that seems to be the mystery. Make sure madVR folder is where you put it (don't delete it after extracting it), see if the same thing happens with MPC-HC (which is the player I officially support) and if you find nothing, check that there isn't any program making conflict with filters (such as encoders, decoders, etc). |
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| Thank you so much for this guide. I've been having problems with playback, audio skipping, video lag, etc for a while. Fixed everything. |
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danuchiha99 said: i'm currently using wasapi/reclock - if you right click when playing back a video, then go down to filters, and then click on reclock, you will see the playback settings for reclock - if you go down the sound adaptation section there is a setting for "enable sound compressor (using compression will make the very loud stuff quieter and the very quiet stuff louder, thus equalizing volume for easier hearing [especially at low volume]) - it can be set on light, normal, or strong - i usually set mine on normal for newer anime and light for older stuff (as the normal setting sometimes causes too much gain, creating distortion) - this may remedy your problem, or possibly you have bad speaker positioning (i usually watch my anime on headphones) - if this doesn't work, you may have a bad encode...Anyone else use WASAPI Exclusive on Reclock... When people talk it sounds quiet, but when an action scene happens, the sound gets loud, any reason why this is happening? |
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| Original post: I seem to have missed a little thing you mentioned in your post called "smooth video project" and confused it with smooth motion. I guess this is retribution for replying stuff instead of sleeping first. Unfortunately, SVP is the last thing you want to mention here and no, it does not goes well with this guide at all. I'm not surprised you were not seeing things as intended. I'm not sure, but that's likely the interpolation that's interfering with the decoder (or acting within one) so if you want to use this guide you'll need to uninstall SVP. |
NiyawaMar 14, 2014 9:45 PM
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| So, will there be an update to this guide to account for all the stuff that was added to madVR, or are NNEDI and the new dithering methods just hogwash? |
https://www.fanfiction.net/u/4649202/ my Strike Witches fanfiction |
| I'm trying to update it, but MAL forums still has image bbcode disabled. I've been seriously thinking about moving this to a new place (animebytes and haruhichan forums) but for now I'm waiting for any news regarding the [img] tag. |
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| Yes, of course. I'm still adapting and updating a few details of the guide itself. Interesting enough, after having a talk with MAL staff it doesn't seem the bbcode thing will be enabled any soon so I've decided it's useless to keep waiting. |
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| I can't say "soon". I'm still sorting out a few details of the updated madVR chart I'm planning to put up and there's still many other stuff which I'm learning bit by bit like NNEDI3, a few scales combinations, and a more rough understanding of calibration. It might take a few weeks but I should have the new guide posted on KCP forums. |
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| I've probably asked this before, but for whatever reason, I cannot get screenshots to show subtitles using XySubFilter beta. I have tried taking screenshots in both full screen and windowed mode with no luck. Any ideas? |
You've come a long way, baby. |
| IIRC, you need to make sure madVR has the option "optimize subtitle quality for performance instead of quality" enabled (or disabled if it's enabled there) so the subtitles are written directly to the video frame making screenshots with subtitles available in MPC-HC hotkeys. |
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| Yep, that did the trick, thanks! |
You've come a long way, baby. |
| Thanks spleenpoker. To put in a better perspective what still needs to be done: 1. NNEDI3 requirements. It seems that for 1440p playback (from a 1080p upscale) at least a R9 270x is needed for the lowest-performance option available (16 neurons) for a seamless experience. Right now, having a high-end graphic card like a R9 290 or GTX 780 is a must for an all-out NNEDI3 experience (with 32/64 neurons). This is based on data from a user in madVR forums and you can see an interesting graph he made here. 2. Driver compatibility with NNEDI3. NVidia drivers are giving a hard time whenever madVR and NNEDI3 are concerned. I don't have the details about the actual problem, but they do generally start with black screens or simply 'not working'. AMD apparently is working fine in the department but they seem to hold back a little in OpenCL performance because of said drivers issues. I'm nowhere good enough to speak in details when drivers and GPU performance is concerned so you should alll read the madVR thread for more accurate information. 3. Calibration options. I have never touched an aftermarket display color calibrator (like Spider4Pro and i1Display) and probably won't until some years to come by. My knowledge in the sector is more second-handed than it can get and mostly not all that accurate either. However, I've been doing some light research on the topics and I've started to get a better feel of how madVR influences the color quality and reproduction when you're watching anime/movies in general. There's a lot to be discussed here, so more details later. 4. ReClock usefulness. This is mostly my fault for not making it clear enough (and using misleading examples) but ReClock is generally useless if your display can't adapt to different refresh rates. The stutter you get from watching a 23fps movie in 60hz is not something ReClock can fix just by adapting it to 24fps instead (which some people seems to believe). Smooth motion can alleviate that factor but especially for anime content, it doesn't always work well. Point is, I'll make this clear in the next update. 5. Guide structure. After MPC-HC decided to include LAV as it's own internal filter, things got a lot less complicated for many of us. KCP still includes external LAV for the sake of compatibility (it's a codec pack after all) but I don't believe that applies to the crowd of this guide. It was made specifically for MPC-HC, so that logic doesn't apply anymore. Now that LAV is going to be updated within MPC-HC, I'll have to restructure some basic stuff like external/internal filters to make sure people don't get confused. There's also the point of troubleshooting which was removed in the final v1.0, but honestly I don't have the time or hardware to help with such things. If you have a driver bug, it's likely I can't help since I don't have any NVidia/AMD cards to test. My Intel integrated graphics is also old and not using the latest (supported) drivers as well. The wide range of hardware/OS/madVR and filters settings also makes most of the issues hard to point by in "one problem". Which means, if you have an issue, you can keep posting in the thread and I'll try to help you get by, but can't make any promises. |
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| No, it's simply your audio device that doesn't support the format output. I get the same message if I don't select anything below "24 bit int padded to 32". Using DirectSound fixes this since it has a shared standard mode, but with WASAPI you need to know the capabilities of your hardware or you'll run into issues like that. You should use the same options this guide is using if you want best compatibility. There are various sources out there that points out there's no benefit than anything higher than 48 kHz/16 bit since 82.2 kHz/32 bit is unnecessary for home media and will only degrade the quality of your audio. |
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| Nothing. Where did that come all of sudden? |
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| I have a question. Whenever I run 720p videos or lower with the player at fullscreen,. I get major dropped and delayed frames. I undo fullscreen and there's no dropped frames at all. How can I fix this, or does it just happen naturally on fullscreen? 1080p videos have no dropped frames at fullscreen. I'm using Windows 8.1 if that matters. |
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Reverb_Shock said: when playing back 1080p you are doing no up-scaling/down-scaling (if that is yr. monitor resolution), therefore madvr (or other renderer) doesn't have to do any up-scale/down-scale shader algorithms - try using a lower profile preset (i.e. - bilinear, bicubic or whatever yr. gpu can handle) when playing back 720p, 480p, etc. - scaling is VERY resource intensive - i'm running a very sh@tty older gpu (geforce 8400gs) and can play back nearly anything (even super high bit-rate blu ray) with very few or no frame drops - the key is to find the sweet spot for yr. particular setup - if yr. using madvr even bilinear looks pretty damn nice......I have a question. Whenever I run 720p videos or lower with the player at fullscreen,. I get major dropped and delayed frames. I undo fullscreen and there's no dropped frames at all. How can I fix this, or does it just happen naturally on fullscreen? 1080p videos have no dropped frames at fullscreen. I'm using Windows 8.1 if that matters. |
octal9Apr 1, 2014 2:33 AM
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octal9 said: I'm gonna be honest, I have no idea what any of this means. BIlinear and bicubic are terms I don't really understand. But would changing that preset setting you do at the start of the install help? I have it on high, and it says medium is recommended, so maybe that's the problem?Reverb_Shock said: when playing back 1080p you are doing no up-scaling/down-scaling (if that is yr. monitor resolution), therefore madvr (or other renderer) doesn't have to do any up-scale/down-scale shader algorithms - try using a lower profile preset (i.e. - bilinear, bicubic or whatever yr. gpu can handle) when playing back 720p, 480p, etc. - scaling is VERY resource intensive - i'm running a very sh@tty older gpu (geforce 8400gs) and can play back nearly anything (even super high bit-rate blu ray) with very few or no frame drops - the key is to find the sweet spot for yr. particular setup - if yr. using madvr even bilinear looks pretty damn nice......I have a question. Whenever I run 720p videos or lower with the player at fullscreen,. I get major dropped and delayed frames. I undo fullscreen and there's no dropped frames at all. How can I fix this, or does it just happen naturally on fullscreen? 1080p videos have no dropped frames at fullscreen. I'm using Windows 8.1 if that matters. |
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| i assume you must be using kawaii codec pack, so try using medium, and if that doesn't work, low - as long as you meet minimum requirements, you should be able to get a workable playback situation (as long as all yr. video drivers, etc. are updated) - if that doesn't work, you may want to wait for Niyawa to drop by the thread, as he probably knows a hell of a lot more than i do about the troubleshooting/programming end of things - i've tried out kcp before and it is one of the few decent codec packs out there as it stays updated and the programmers aren't trying to load you up with adware, spyware, etc. and they seem to know their stuff (also is regularly updated unlike some codec packs) - if you want to go it the hard way and manually install everything, there is a learning curve, but it is well worth if you really want to understand the nuts and bolts of video playback and this guide is one of the very best i've come upon - its' where i first figured out that it was time to get the hell off vlc player and watch anime the way it should be seen, especially if you dig watching blu ray content anime or otherwise... |
octal9Apr 1, 2014 6:43 AM
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Reverb_Shock said: I have a question. Whenever I run 720p videos or lower with the player at fullscreen,. I get major dropped and delayed frames. I undo fullscreen and there's no dropped frames at all. How can I fix this, or does it just happen naturally on fullscreen? 1080p videos have no dropped frames at fullscreen. You never told me any specs of your PC (especially GPU) so I can't give you an accurate answer. The quality presets of madVR are made to make the best balance of quality vs performance. So if you're using "High", you might want to downgrade to "Medium" or "Low" until you find a sweet spot that gives you good quality but consistent playback. Since 1080p is being played at 1080p native resolution, the GPU has much less work to do (compared to an upscale) so it makes sense that playback is smooth. There might be other reasons why you're dropping frames, but assuming you're using this guide exactly as written, that should be the main reason. |
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| Wait a minute, I disabled smooth motion and the frame drops stopped at fullscreen. I guess my question now is whether or not smooth motion is important or not? Should I deal with the frame drops so that smooth motion makes it look better? How does smooth motion effect quality? I've always left it on because it was recommended but I never knew what it did. Also, if 1080p works fine with smooth motion, why doesn't any resolution 720p and below at fullscreen work perfectly? Sorry for double post. |
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| Smooth motion is more performance hungry than it looks like. The way it works puts great stress in the GPU, much more when upscaling than at native resolution (e.g 1080p video at 1080p monitor). If it's important or not it's up to you. Anime nowadays tend to be 23.976fps which is not ideal for majority of 60hz monitors out there. If you're using ReClock and your monitor supports extra hz options (such as 24hz or 48hz) then smooth motion is not necessary as ReClock will adapt your video and hz automatically to match each other. If your monitor can't do that then smooth motion is activated and motion blur is used which will fake the effect of a compatible refresh rate and reduce/remove stutter from the video. The downside is that smooth motion will reduce sharpness, but at 60hz it's relatively hard to notice. You should watch some anime and movies in general with and without it and see if the performance hit is worth it. |
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Niyawa said: Thanks for taking the time to give a great reply, you're very helpful. Smooth motion is more performance hungry than it looks like. The way it works puts great stress in the GPU, much more when upscaling than at native resolution (e.g 1080p video at 1080p monitor). If it's important or not it's up to you. Anime nowadays tend to be 23.976fps which is not ideal for majority of 60hz monitors out there. If you're using ReClock and your monitor supports extra hz options (such as 24hz or 48hz) then smooth motion is not necessary as ReClock will adapt your video and hz automatically to match each other. If your monitor can't do that then smooth motion is activated and motion blur is used which will fake the effect of a compatible refresh rate and reduce/remove stutter from the video. The downside is that smooth motion will reduce sharpness, but at 60hz it's relatively hard to notice. You should watch some anime and movies in general with and without it and see if the performance hit is worth it. It turns out that I've been watching videos for a long time with screen stutter that I thought the anime itself had, and it turned out it was all the dropped frames. I turned off smooth motion and it's actually running smoother now lol. Thanks again for the advice. |
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